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FWD: ...Early this morning May 14th, I sent you a posting in regards to 6 quakes in Southern California at 8.22.07. I noticed that if you check this site it is mind boggling how many took place in California, today. Jim's report, there were 39 quakes in California alone. Wow! Something is happening!...

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This caught my eye. Do you have any idea how many earthquakes were showing up in CA per week before Saturday? Do you know anyone that has checked them previously? I knew nothing about this site until Saturday when I got this email (on Pro and Con 321)...

When checked Saturday evening, there were 937 within the last week. At 4:47 PM Sunday, there were 1192. Ed heard of the one at Mammoth, 5.6, on TV, the biggest there in 3 years. Checked the site again at 6:31 PM Sunday. There are now 1209 for the week.

I would sure like to know what it has been running in the past for comparison.

Note: At 7:55 PM, there were 1219. I clicked on Long Valley, where Mammoth is. Guess what? There were 908 in Long Valley. That is a focal point. The 5.6 Mag. quake there was Saturday. The other area that had a 5 Mag. quake Friday, plus lots of smaller ones was fairly near me, 5 mi. SE of Yucca Valley and 19 mi. NNE of Palm Springs. Think I did hear about that on TV, but forgot it. Dave heard on TV about the Yucca Vally one and that Riverside here had 2; the map shows 3. I didn't feel any of them, although I wondered at one time, then decided it probably wasn't. They are blasting rocks apart in the field near us where the wheat grew last year, so it is hard to tell if a tremor is blasting or an earthquake. They are getting ready to build houses and a park on that land now. The huge rocks are rounded blobs, not bedrock. They look like they could have been blasted out of the ocean bottom when an asteroid struck the Pacific area. I know they could have bombed this far from the ocean for pillow lava was found on top of the ground in Wyoming. That definitely came out of the seabed.

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Biblical Astronomy
> How do you find out when there are conjuctions of Jupiter and Saturn? I have known
> about the lineup of planets May 5, 2000 for some time, but someone told me in email.

{I have been using the Old Farmers Almanac and the World Almanac. Usually, what one doesn't have, the other one does. The Old Farmers Almanac tells you where the Moon is every day, so that if there is a conjucntion between it and one of the planets, you can find out exactly where that planet is.}

> My Star Guide says, "Conjunction The lining up of heavenly bodies in the sky, such
> as a planet, the Sun, and the Earth." I thought they had to be in close proximity,
> so I looked in Webster's. It says, "the apparent meeting or passing of two or more
> celestial bodies in the same degree of the zodiac" or "a configuration in which two
> celestial bodies have their least apparent separation."

{This is where I differ from most 'astronomers'. Today, most totally ignore the Ancient Constellations as of no value. As a matter of fact, sometimes it appears that there is a conserted effort to avoid mention of them. Even with the tools listed above, you have to search to find out what Constellation a particular planet is in. This isn't surprising, especially if they are given to us by God through Adam, but it is very unfortunate. When I found the Message of the Rapture that the Comets were proclaiming, it seemed obvious to me. Yet no one else has made the connection. When you have two Lunar eclipses (On two Jewish Holidays) and two comets on their closet approach, then it would seem obvious that the constellations that they were in at the time of the eclipse might be important. Yet, no one made any connection between the Comets and the Constellations (Perseus and Andromeda). It just so happens that one or two years before Hyakutaki showed up, I had stumbled onto the books on Biblical Astronomy. So I was already motivated to watch the stars. So when those comets appeared, the first thing I did was to check the Constellations to find out what Message they might be Proclaiming.}

{All the Constellations 'proclaim' the Gospel: The Incarnation, Death, Burial, Ressurecton, Ascension and Return of the Lord Yeshua. Each one of the Constellations proclaim a specific part of that Glorious Gospel. Because of this, I belive that a Conjunction is whenever you have two or more of the planets in one of the Constellations. Together they emphasise a specific part of the Gospel. In the case of the Comets, there was absolutly no doubt what part of the Gospel they were Proclaiming. When you took the Constellations of Perseus and Andromeda and on top of that the Jewish Holidays that they made their 'proclamation' on (Passover and Purim respectively), there was no doubt that the Consolation of the Church (the Captive Woman) was being Yelled from the Heavens. That was why I asked the Father for a third witness in the Heavens, to confirm the Message of the Comets. I asked for a Comet to come from Pisces Australes, because this was equaldistance from the origin of Hale-Bopp, as Hale-Bopp was from the origin of Hyakutaki. And I asked that it pass through or near Perseus in the Spring. And the Father answered my prayer and sent me a Comet. Soho Commet C1998J1, which was visible to unaided eye from Australia. It originated in Pisces Astralis, passed through Perseus in May, went through Alderbaran and Orion, when it passed Sirius, it 'winked' (grew brighter) and then made its exit through Argo-The Company of Travelers. The latter half of its course, exactly parrelled the course of Hale-Bopp. This is basically impossible, and bears the Mark of the Creator on it. If that is the case, than He was confirming that the Rapture would be within two years of Hale-Bopp's appearance. This brings us to Spring of 1999. Sorry, I guess that was a little long winded.}

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I enjoyed your insight into scripture. I thought I was the only Christian who thought the rapture might take place on Pentecost,based upon some of the same scriptures.

What do you think about Jack Van Impe's teaching about September 9, 1999? Also, are you saying you believe in a partial rapture?

Even so come Lord Jesus!!! Maranatha!!!

My reply

Thanks. Sept. 9 makes no sense to me. It is 28 Elul. I wonder if he meant Sept. 11, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. Song of Sol. 2:10-14 suggests Pentecost to me.

I think the Pre-Trib Rapture is on Pentecost and the Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets. Yes, I belive in a partial Rapture. The 5 wise Philadelphian virgins go with the bridegroom. The foolish Laodicean VIRGINS do not. It looks like the first Rapture is for the Bride of Christ, the second for the rest of the Body of Christ. The first is as the days of Noah, the second as the days of Lot (fire falls that same day).

At the second Rapture, when the Lord "will return from the wedding" and knock on the door (Rev. 3:20), they will "open unto him immediately" (Lu. 12:36). They will be invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

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am enjoying your books immensly and hope that you are right about pentecost 1999, won't it be great to go home and be with the lord. I'm just 36 but so tired of all of the stress of this life, the sadness pain and death as well as the sin in this world and in my own flesh. My spirit bears witness with your when i read your books and websight, and just for the record, i am a high school biology teacher who knows that the theory of evolution is bogus. Keep up the good work and please pray for my health. God bless you and yours, I'll see you in the rapture! Your sister in christ

My reply

Thanks, and I added you to my prayer list. Yes, it will be great to be with the Lord. Hang in there. It can't be long, no matter how we figure it. The daily news even tells us that the Tribulation is very near. We have to escape before that. Agape

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I have been monitoring your website and can certainly say that I am impressed with the research and study that has been put into this.  I have firm confidence that the LORD shall indeed reward all who search diligently.  We seem to have those who complain that you lead people astray because we cannot know the day or the hour.  Despite the ambiguity of that passage, I feel that diligently searching the types and manners of the scriptures endowed to us can be nothing but REWARDED by the LORD.  In this age of Laodicea, we dare to accuse people like you of leading people astray, while this church of compromise has embraced rock music, heavy metal worship, chaotic worship, promoted justification while paying no heed to the other important doctrine of sanctification, and integrated itself into the materialism of this society so much that we have probably offered some very strange fire unto our LORD in worship.  Marilyn, I salute you for a good job, and I firmly believe the LORD approves of all you are doing.

  I would encourage you and all who read this to take another look at www.prophecysite.com.  The Israeli peace accords were signed October 23, 1998 which again lines up with this interesting set of 23's we've been seeing.  Your rapture in good measure lines up very well with his set of interpretations.  May the grace of God abide with this research and with you.  Thanks for your help in edifying all of us, and encouraging us to examine the scriptures closely and with diligence.

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Thanks bunches. Agape

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> I was interested in finding your web site, since I am making my own
> (offline at the moment) on two issues : Biblical prophecy and
> eschatology, and Church unity before Jesus comes.

***There are seven major divisions in the church at the time of the Rapture. See Rev. 2 and 3.

> I am a follower of Benny Hinn and Grant Jeffrey, as well as
> Derek Prince. (They all have web sites).
>
> My reason for writing is because of my alarm at seeing your
> comment about predicting a date in 1999 for Jesus' second coming.

***Just to clarify. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be this Pentecost, the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be Sept. 13, 2007 (Feast of Trumpets), and the Second Advent will be Apr. 6, 2008 (Nisan 1, 5768).

> Although we may see the setting up of the Jewish
> state in Israel in 1948, and many other things, the European
> Community etc. have ALL of the criteria for Jesus' coming occurred ?

***Yes, as far as the Pre-Trib Rapture goes.

> Derek Prince on his audio tape entitled "And then the End Shall Come", tape no.
> 4297 in a series of 4 tapes, and elsewhere, states that the main thing that has
> to happen before Jesus' return is the preaching of the gospel to all nations,
> and the key text is Matthew 24 verse 14.

***The end is the last half of the Tribulation. See the next verse. The abomination is placed in the temple Mid-Trib.

> Has the gospel been preached to the English in England ? The answer is no. What
> do we mean by "the preaching of the gopsel" ? Do we mean an Evangelical preaching,
> lots of street preaching and so on, or do we mean something more powerful, a
> Pentecostal movement with healings, and signs and wonders ? This latter has not
> happened enough, in my opinion. Born in the South of England, in a really English
> community, I know the English temperament well. Now working in London, I see
> London as a very cosmopolitan place where the Afro-Carribean christians have a
> very good idea of what the christian life is about, but the English christians
> and English non-Christians do NOT. There is the added problem that we live in a
> time where there is one generation of compeltely unchurch people, people who have
> no idea of the Bible at all. There is still a lot of work to do in England and
> Britain. We do not have the kind of positive faith here in the churches that
> seems to abound in the USA. How do we interpret Matthew 24.14 ?

***Moses and Elijah will prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation. The 144,000 Jews will preach too, during the 2300-day Tribulation.

> But if we interpret Ezekiel 37, the valley of dry bones, perhaps - perhaps - as Morris
> Cerullo has in a conference here in London a few years ago, as the bones of the dying
> Jews in Germany in the Second World War,

***The coming to life of the dry bones concerns Israel.

> has Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39, which
> many interpret as being Russia invading Israel - has that happened ?

***No. It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14).

> How do you interpret Ezekiel chapters 35 and 36 and has this
> happened ? I happen to like chs. 35 and 36 a lot?

Mt. Seir will be destroyed. Israel will be saved from their enemies. This takes place as the Millennium begins on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. That is the Day of God's Wrath.

> Has Matthew ch. 24 verse 15, the desolating sacrilege been set up in Jerusalem ?

***No. That happens Mid-Trib.

> If the Antichrist is a person (rather than, say,
> a computer) and the beast is a person, then who are they, and
> when have all the nations been forced to bow down and worship ?

***They are not yet in power. The first is called the Beast. I think he is the Tribulation Pope, a "Roman." The second is the False Prophet, a leader in Israel. They will move to a new headquarters in literal Babylon.

> Of course, yes, the Coming of Christ is not one event, there is the
> rapture, the judging of the nations, the Millenium of rule with Christ.
> It does not all happen on one day.

***Here is the order of events as I understand them. There is a Pre-Trib Rapture, the beginning of the Tribulation (when the 7-yr. peace covenant is confirmed) the desecration of the Temple Mid-Trib, the Day of God's Wrath (also on which will be the 2nd Rapture, the Coronation of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb), the Second Advent 7 months later, the Judgment of the Nations, and then Armageddon.

> It is great to try some calculations, but should you not have MORE
> THAN ONE CRITERION in order to add surety to your predictions ?
> As well as doing pure calculations, should you not have a thorough
> checklist of everything that must happen before the End of History ?

*** I have written a book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed (also publ. by Avon Books as The End of the Age) that sets forth the events in order.

> Now, I have studied Genesis 37 to 50, the story of Joseph in its
> prophetic context - not because I wanted to, but the Holy Spirit
> led me to it, and I studied it for several years (this study has to
> be a prayerful study; it both an intellectual study and a search
> to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truths to you).
> Question - why do you interpret the 7 good years and 7 evil
> years in Pharaoh's dream IN A POLITICAL CONTEXT ?

***The seven evil years are the Tribulation. Evil grows unchecked in every realm. There will be a world government and a world church.

> I interpret them in the context of THE CHURCH. I am not looking
> at the church as it is, because the church holds many inaccuracies,
> but at a Bible view of what the Church should be. For example,
> I believe in the Pentecostal experience and believe that all christians
> should have it, nevertheless, not all christians do. But I see seven
> good years in the church, and then 7 years of severe persecution -
> EVEN IN THE WEST. I do not know that we have seen in the West the
> kind of persecution that the christians in China have experienced.
>
> You say many things, and I have not had time to read them all.
> Benny Hinn talks entirely in terms of the Jewish calendar - you
> are right to use this as a basis. The year 2000 in our calendar
> is irrelevant to this. Benny Hinn states in an audio tape series
> called "Coming Things" that he thinks that everything will end
> in the year 6000 in the Jewish Calendar.

***I think that 6000th year ended last Sept. 21, 1998. Everything did not end then.

> But, he points out that we have lost accuracy even in the Jewish calendar because
> inaccuracies have come in. He states that the End of History will be in the Jewish
> year 6000 because there should be 1000 years for each of the 6 days of creation. Well,
> he says a lot of unusual things, including that heaven is a planet in the North.

***I believe Heaven is a planet, but "north" merely means upward. I have written a book, Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star, explaining where I think Heaven is located.

> But I like him, and he has done a lot more work and
> prayer than I have, so I trust him.

***Don't trust anything ANYONE says without checking it against the Bible.

> So what about a checklist, as well as a cross-referenced set
> of dates ? Has everything been ticked off an End-Time checklist?

***Nothing has to happen before the Rapture.

> I do not think that we should be complacent. A Time Magazine special about a year ago
> on Ecology outlines exactly how our world is physically falling apart, and, for
> example, that there have been more and more earthquakes.

***It is a sign of the endtimes.

> People have become lovers of themselves, etc. since the 1950s.
> But are you RIGHT ? Would you stake your LIFE ON IT ?

***I will stake my life on Jesus Christ, but as to dates, no. I am not a prophet. I have just studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since before 1960. I tell what I think the Scriptures mean. You should compare that with Scripture to see if these things are so.

> I am a person who is trying to increase from a base level the
> average christian's interest and enthusiasm for Biblical Prophecy.
> I hope that you are running around the streets every day and have
> given up your job, and are shouting from the rooftops in some form or other !

***Jesus did not shout in the streets. He said to occupy till he comes. I take that to be normal life. I am 70 years old. I am not running and shouting. I have written three books (the other one is Revelations 2000), and I have a Web site. I spend as much time as possible answering email.

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...I was thinking that not just the date would be the same, but the hour as well. Don't you think 9 o'clock in the morning, Israel time, would make perfectly good sense inasmuch as it will take place worldwide at the exact same time; and their Sabbath (Pentecost) will start Friday evening, May 21 (or will it?), meaning that we will need to be aware of what time that would be for us in various parts of the world. Thank you for listening to my thoughts.

My reply

Someone thought of this before, but the time is not clear. Acts 2:6 says, "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together." This doesn't happen in an instant of time.

The Jewish day starts at 6:00 PM on what is our previous day. Agape

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I am very interested in the subject of the `Time of the End', and I have been scouring the net for more opinions on the subject. The predominant one is the pre-tribulation rapture theory - which sounds great to me, but when I look into the scriptures I seem to consistently see the opposite!  I'll give you some examples of the problems I am running into:-

(1) Paul says the Resurrection of the dead in Christ must come first. (1Thess 4) Rev. 20.4-6 tells us about when the 5th Seal tribulation saints are raised It says; "This is the First Resurrection."

The above presents a very big problem indeed - the biggest! It tells me that because it is the very `first one' then there has never been and never will be a permanent resurrection to eternal life before this one! It also tells me all other Lazarus types of resurrections, notably Matt 27.52 were only temporary ones - they all died again went back to their graves to await the `Blessed Hope'.

(2) Also - according to Paul - there can be no rapture before the `First' resurrection.. The accompanying rapture as depicted in Matt 24 or Mark 13, must be for us - the Elect.    I think the Jews use to be the Elect, but lost it for a while until we can all be grafted into the Israelite Tree. Of this great Hope we have, Paul says in Ro 11:7, "Israel did not find the things they sought after; but the elect has obtained it, and the rest were blinded." {Gr. blinded: or, hardened} Here he makes a distinction between `Israel' and the `Elect'

(3) Wrath. Pre-tribbers (for want of a better term) are strong on our not being appointed unto `Wrath'. No argument there. But Paul himself ended up as lion's meat, so obviously he was not talking about the wrath of man, the beast, or the wrath of Satan; but the Wrath of God. So this gives rise to another question :

Is the Great Tribulation the Wrath of God?   No! Since too many saints will suffer at that time, it can't be. Scripture says the first three and a half years of it is the wrath of the `Serpent'. Viz.;

Re 12:14 "And the woman was given the wings of a great eagle, to fly into the wilderness to a place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

After the three and a half years of the great tribulation is over, comes the `Great Appearing', or the `Blessed Hope' when all the saints who have died from Abel to the last martyr, will come up in the First Resurrection which Jesus Himself says will be - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." (Matt 24) Here he describes all the signs of the 6th Seal in the sun, moon and stars.

(4) So the First Resurrection and the accompanying rapture of the Elect will occur with the opening of the 6th Seal, which seems to be the beginning of the Day of Wrath:

Re 6:16 "And they cried to the mountains and rocks, `Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath has come; and who will be able to stand?"

I thought I would share some of my findings with you. If I'm upside down, perhaps you can put me the right way up again!

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> Rev. 20.4-6 tells us about when the 5th Seal tribulation
> saints are raised It says; "This is the First Resurrection."

The First Resurrection started in 30 AD. It progresses in ranks. I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "in Christ shall all be made alive. BUT every man in HIS OWN ORDER (tagmati, rank): CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS (rank one); afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (parousia, from pareimi, to be near; i.e., Rapture one, rank two)."

> there can be no rapture before the `First' resurrection.. The accompanying rapture
> as depicted in Matt 24 or Mark 13, must be for us - the Elect.

It can't be for us. It is for the Tribulation saints. It follows the "Great Tribulation" of Mt. 24:21. I follows when the smoke of the heavens is rolled aside like a scroll and the Sign of the Son of Man is seen (Rev. 6:14; Mt. 24:30).

Mark 13:26,27 says, "And then (sixth seal, when the stars of heaven shall fall and the Sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky) shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then (when they see the Sign of the Son of Man) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Tribulation saints, rank three) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

There was no trump sounding when Jesus ascended. The first of the assembly trumpets (Nu. 10:1-4) will sound for Rapture one. The second of the assembly trumpets will sound for Rapture two.

> Is the Great Tribulation the Wrath of God? No! Since too many saints
> will suffer at that time, it can't be. Scripture says the first three
> and a half years of it is the wrath of the `Serpent'. Viz.;
>
> Re 12:14 "And the woman was given the wings of a great eagle, to fly
> into the wilderness to a place, where she is nourished for a time,
> times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

The Great Tribulation is the last half of the Tribulation. The Day of God's Wrath is, I think, the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation. Rev. 12:14 is the last half, the Great Tribulation.
> (4) So the First Resurrection and the accompanying rapture of the Elect will occur with
> the opening of the 6th Seal, which seems to be the beginning of the Day of Wrath:

The Pre-Trib people are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the Tribulation begins in Rev. 6. Therefore, they are in Heaven before the first seal is broken.

The second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints is between the breaking of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8. We see this group in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. The second Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the asteroid impacts Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

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I have long had a problem with the difference between the Hebrew "bara" (create) and "asah" (make) in the first couple chapters of Genesis and the impact of their meanings on the understanding of the text. The e-mail message and your reply to it posted on your web site helped a lot in clearing up my misunderstandings. But a still have a little doubt. Why does the writer use two distinct words if they both describe the same kind of act. What exactly do you mean when you say that, ' "Bara defines a coming into existence while asah extends beyond a creation to a formation of things," ?' Specifically, is "a formation of things" the same thing as a creation of things? Bottom Line: Are you sure that the English "make" can mean the same thing as "create" despite their current definitions in any major dictionary? I appreciate your honest search for the truth and believe that you may be able to help me in mine. God bless you.

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Bara is used for original creation. Asah is used for refashioning already existing materials.

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