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Incoming Email I hope this e-mail finds you and Ed well. I was curious how you arrived at Adam and Eve being in the garden 40 years before the fall. I stumbled onto a tract that quoted the book of Jubliees: "And during the first week of the first Jubliee Adam and his wife had been in the garden of Eden for 7 years tilling and guarding it...At the end of the 7 years which he completed there, 7 years exactly, in the 2nd month on the 17th day, the serpent came and drew near to the woman" (Jubliees :15-17) Thank you.
PS: wouldn't you know it!!! Immediately after e-mailing you w/ my question re how you arrived at Adam being in the garden 40 years. I read your Pro/con 320 in which you gave a lengthy reply to someone who asked the same exact question. So it seems the 7 years mentioned in Book of JUbliees would be a little more authoritative. Can we rely on this number? Would that then put the fall around 3996 or so BC?
My reply Thanks for your concern over our health. Ed has a bad cold. We are taking Vit. C and Echinacea. I may be catching the cold. It is 5:34 AM. I awoke with leg cramp, stretched it, rubbed it, took some Tums, tried to go back to sleep, couldn't, developed a headache and runny nose. I am so tired, I am close to tears. In just a few days, I have worked my emails down from about 396 to under 50, plus some long ones I put on another file to try to answer later. I have to put a cold pack on my elbow to keep going.
I want to put my Web page on another server for back-up. I am afraid that when I try to install the four PE.net floppy disks, it will override what I already have and I will lose my emails. I have a faulty disk drive, and just pray it will work four more times, not only to install these disks, but to not keep giving me the dialog box that says that this is not a Macintosh disk, do I want to initialize it--even when no disk is in the drive. I want to get as much as possible done before I risk that constant distraction again.
Seeing that the Book of Jubilees is not Scripture, what makes it more authoritative? The chronology given in the Old Testament goes back to 4044/43 BC for the creation of Adam. The Bible upholds the meaning of the number 40--testing and probation. Jesus was tested 40 days. What is hard to accept about the first Adam being tested 40 years before being expelled from the Garden? Wasn't Israel tested 40 years in the wilderness?
> "And during the first week of the first Jubliee Adam and his wife had been in the
> garden of Eden for 7 years tilling and guarding it...At the end of the 7 years which he
> completed there, 7 years exactly, in the 2nd month on the 17th day, the serpent came
> and drew near to the woman" (Jubliees :15-17)
Even though I think Adam was in the Garden 40 years, he may have sinned after 7 years. However, I have another problem with the above quote. I think 7 years exactly would not end on the 2nd month, 17th day. They would end on Tishri 1, the first month, first day of the month. The 2nd month, 17th day is when the Flood started (Gen. 7:11). That was in 1656 AH/2387 BC. All major Bible chronologists agree on the 1656 date for the Flood, and 2387 + 1656 = 4043 BC.
Incoming Email After reading your Old Testament Chronology we got to thinking that Adam would have had to have been created at age 0 (an infant) in order for him to have been age 130 when Seth was born in 130 AH. But didn't God create Adam fully mature? Could he have been created at age 16, or 30 or whatever.? If so, wouldn't this change the entire chronology.? Also, how did you arrive at the 40 years Adam was in the garden before he sinned and was thrown out.? Thank you so much for all your generosity of time. Anxiously awaiting His arrival. Agape
My reply Do years that did not exist count? Adam had been on Earth 130 years when Seth was born. I start counting with his creation, even though he was obviously created an adult. Babies don't talk and name animals. Re: Adam's 40 years in the Garden, read Pro and Con 320. Also, here is a copy of an email I just answered (omitted).
Incoming Email You have a wonderful page! I have two questions:
1) You say in your chronology the AntiChrist suffers incapacitation by the head wound, but why would the False Prophet take over for him. Isn't his wound healed?
2) How do you come to the conclusion the False Prophet kills the Two witnesses? A Brother in Christ
My reply I'm glad you like my page. Be sure to see the latest update on my Home page. I think the Rapture may be this Pentecost. Be ready May 21-23.
(1) The first beast of Rev. 13 only rules 42 months (Rev. 13:5). That is the first half of the Tribulation. The second beast is the False Prophet. He rules during the Great Tribulation until the Day of God's Wrath. The Beast is incapacitated long enough for the False Prophet to take over. In the middle of the Tribulation, Satan is cast down to Earth and enters into the False Prophet.
(2) Rev. 11:7 says, "And when they (the two witnesses) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan indwelling the False Prophet) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."
Incoming Email Thanks for the email about the Garden of Eden. I'll keep looking for info on that. I also just heard that the country of Bahrain consider themselves to be the original sight of the Garden of Eden. All four rivers flow into that small piece of land. Two are underground and the other two are the Euphrates and Tigris.
Thought you might enjoy reading this web page if you can get to it. It is from NASA. It says we should watch the sky on May 17 -19 to see Venus and the Moon put a sky show. I'll be watching.
Best wishes to you and family as we get closer to the May 21-23 dates. Hope we all get to go!. Keep up the good work. In Christ, our Hope!
Subject: The Moon and Venus put on a sky show
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:53:01 -0500
From: NASA Science News
NASA Science News for May 12:
Star Wars by Moonlight: The Moon and Venus will put on a dazzling sky show from May 17-19th, as they appear to approach each other in the southwest sky shortly after sunset. Full Story: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast12may99_1.htm
My reply Thanks. Someone nice sent me pictures of the way this will look. You made me look them up, and I learned something. I thought the Earth's shadow fell on the Moon when it was a crescent. That isn't it. Here is what the writeup for May 19, 1999 says, "By the way, we often hear from people who wonder if -- when the moon is a crescent -- part of the moon is dark because Earth's shadow is falling on it! It's true that you're seeing a shadow on the moon tonight. But it's the moon's own shadow. The moon appears as a crescent because only a sliver of its lighted half is visible. If you could fly to the moon, and go around to the back side of it, you'd find a bright, more-than-half-illuminated face of the moon shining brightly into the blackness of space opposite Earth!"
On May 21, the moon is close to Regulus the so-called king star. It is the brightest star in Leo the Lion (which represents Christ as King). "The moon will occult, or pass in front of, this star tonight as seen from most of North America."
On May 22, our National Astronomy Day, the moon will still identify the constellation Leo the Lion. The front part actually looks like a backwards question mark.
On May 23, it says, "Tonight the brightest star near the moon is Denebola in the constellation Leo the Lion. This star represents the Lion's Tail. When you hear the word "deneb" in a star name, it always means "tail."
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In Chris Patrick's book, The Zodiac Conspiracy, he says that REGULUS, in Hebrew, means the treading underfoot and DENEBOLA means the judge or Lord who comes quickly. Interesting.
Incoming Email Hi! from Finland Like in the recently "found" book ´Seven Feasts of Messiah´ we notice that the feasts kind of tell the story of meaning of history and God´s plan. Now I "found" an other site (a link from 5 Doves) that gives an other, equally astonishing, revelation (which I have for some time suspected) that there is a story that the stars of heaven tell. Like the feasts - when properly understood - give us understanding of God´s plan, so do the stars also. There is also reference to the wise men of the orient (Plus a very interesting legend of how they knew they were right on target). Also mentioned is - what was in one earlier procon - some explanation to the star ´Torcularis Septentrionalis´. (I have enclosed that part of the book.
Amazing is that this book ´Witness of the stars´ was written in 1893. It is very valuable piece of understanding the story behind the stars. Today, even most respected publications and book only refer to Babylonian / Greek sagas as ´explanation´of various constellations (zodiac). I think this book clearly witnesses us that ´in the olden days´ there was knowledge of the names (and of the meaning behind) of the stars.
You can also understand that the rapture is written in the stars as a part of God´s master plan.
Also included is a site containing data on Hale-Bopp
The following is were (Torcularis) Septentrionalis is mentioned. If you remember Saturn used to "dance around" this star in May / June.
"2. URSA MAJOR (The Great Bear) The fold and the flock
Of these it is written--"But in Mount Zion there shall be those that escape, And it shall be holy: And the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions." Obadiah 17-19, RV
It is a large and important constellation, containing 87 stars, of which one is of the 1st magnitude, four of the 2nd, three of the 3rd, ten of the 4th, etc. It always presents a splendid appearance, and is perhaps, therefore, the best known of all the constellations.
In the Book of Job (9:9, and 38:31,32) it is mentioned under the name of Ash. "Canst thou guide Ash and her offspring?" which is rendered in the AV, "Arcturus and his sons," and in the RV, "The Bear with her train" (marg., "sons"). The Arabs still call it Al Naish, or Annaish, the assembled together, as sheep in a fold. The ancient Jewish commentators interpreted Ash as the seven stars of this constellation. They are called by others Septentriones, which thus became the Latin word for North.
The brightest star, a (in the back), is named Dubhe, which, as we have seen, means a herd of animals, or a flock, and gives its name to the whole constellation.
The star b (below it) is named Merach (Hebrew), the flock (Arabic, purchased).
My reply I am still trying to figure this all out. I hope you can help. Two heads are better than one. In The Zodiac Conspiracy, by F. Chris Patrick, URSA MAJOR is depicted as THE GREATER SHEEPFOLD, ASH meaning THE ASSEMBLED, and AL NAISH as meaning THE ASSEMBLED TOGETHER (as in a sheepfold). He says that its ORIGINAL FORM was that of a sheepfold. In his drawing of the constellations, the sheepfold is a rectangle, and the sheep are going out of the opening. Three sheep are the three stars normally called the tail of the bear. They are approaching Bootes, where the gamma-ray burster of Jan. 23, 1999 came from. Next to these three sheep is Bootes' upraised arm with a sickle in it. Doesn't this suggest harvest, as "in his hand a sharp sickle" of Rev. 14:14? BOOTES means THE COMING SHEPHERD. ARCTURUS means HE COMES.
In your quote above, the brightest star, DUBHE, means a flock, and gives its name to the whole constellation. That fits the sheepfold. The star below it is MERACH (Hebrew), the flock (Arabic, purchased).
I just wonder if there is a connection between Saturn "dancing around" (Torcularis) Septentrionalis last May/June and the GRB of Jan. 23 being 120 days before Pentecost this year.
Incoming Email Concerning the Cherubim discussion that we had several months ago, I was pondering today, and I came to another possible conclusion concerning them that you might be interested in. If you remember I was discussing how that when John was caught up to heaven, the first Cherub he described (which was probably directly before the throne) was that of the Lion...
We know that the Temple on earth was a shadow of things in heaven. So, in a way, the earth is a type of heaven. So, I was thinking about this, and it dawned on me that the Cherubim could be the symbol of the Moon. Just as the moon makes an orbit around the earth, so the Cherubim make an orbit around the Throne in Heaven. I don't know how this would affect your views, but it could affect my own. Because now, instead of one of the creatures being 'before the throne' once a year, that creature would also be before the Throne 'once a month'...
That being said, on the 21st of May this year, the Moon enters the constellation of Leo, the Lion. Your brother in Yeshua
My reply I still think the four cherubim of Ezek. 1 and 10 are planets. All four have CONCENTRIC orbits. The moon does not.
However, the Moon is included in the lights in the heavens that can be for signs. I am very interested in the Moon entering Leo on May 21. It can be calling our attention to Regulus, because the Moon will occult, or pass in front of, this so-called king star on May 21. Regulus will then reappear. What message could that be sending us? Chris Patrick's "Zodiac Conspiracy" says that Regulus, Hebrew, means THE TREADING UNDERFOOT. On the 23rd, the Moon will be near Denebola, which can mean THE TAIL or, according to Chris, THE JUDGE OR LORD WHO COMES QUICKLY. Do you have Seiss' Gospel in the Stars by any chance? I'd like to know if he gave names to the stars in Leo.
Someone very nice is sending me some more information on this subject, from Bullinger's Witness of the Stars. I should get it tomorrow. My dad always said not to wish for tomorrow, that you are wishing your life away, but I will be glad to get that information anyway.
Incoming Email ...I just saw your page I'm very surprised, How do you know Rahab stands for a planet? What is your denomination. If you think it will happen this week how are you preparing?
My reply I am Baptist, but denomination doesn't count. What counts is that we have accepted Jesus Christ as our own personal Saviour. At that point, all "old sins" (II Pet. 1:9) are wiped off the books. We get a fresh start. Any sins committed after that, we need to confess to God to bring them under the blood of Christ. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Before I knew what Rahab was, I figured out that Ezek. 1 and 10 was talking about the four terrestrial planets. They have concentric orbits, wheels withing wheels, and one wheel is upon the Earth (Eze. 1:15). The Sun, "a fire infolding itself," is in the middle with sunlight around it (1:4). The word for brightness, nogah, means sunlight.
In among the terrestrial planets that looked like lamps or burning coals of fire, Ezekiel saw something else in his vision of the heavens. In 1:13, he said, "it went up and down (i.e., had a cometary orbit) among the living creatures (lively things, i.e., the flying planets). What goes in between the planetary orbits? Asteroids, and there are many NEAs, near Earth asteroids. Where did they come from, the Asteroid Belt.
I think Ezekiel's "it" is the asteroid that will strike Earth as the Millennium begins (Rev. 8:8,10). Isa. 22:18,19 says, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (not tiny Israel, but Babylon in Iraq will be destroyed): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall be pull thee down."
Job 26:5,6,11-13 (NASB) says, "The departed spirits tremble Under the waters and their inhabitants. Naked is Sheol before Him And Abaddon has no covering...He obscures the face of the full moon, And spreads His cloud over it ...The pillars of heaven tremble, and are amazed at His rebuke. He quieted the sea with His power, And by His understanding He shattered Rahab. By His breath the heavens are cleared. His hand has pierced the fleeing serpent" (Satan).
Rahab is in the heavens and has been shattered. It had something to do with Satan and his sin. Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:10); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old (i.e., He also threw a rock at Rahab before Adam was created). Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan).
In Eze. 28:13-18, the Lord is talking to Satan as the king of Tyrus (rock). He "hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire," the ten original planets that look like burning coals of fire in the sky. We now have nine. One in the midst, Rahab, broke up and formed the Asteroid Belt. There are more details in my book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed, also published by Avon Books as The End of the Age.
The Lord said to occupy till he comes. I am living a normal life. However, I am working to establish another mirror site for my Web Page, am answering as many emails as possible and am posting as many Pro and Cons as possible on my Web site. I also try hard not to sin and confess any slips immediately so as to stay ready whenever He comes. I want to be accounted worthy (Lu. 21:36) to be chosen as the Bride of Christ. It is the best prize (I Cor. 24-27; Phil. 3:14).
Incoming Email Re: Daniel 12
Before asking my question, it is interesting to note that if there are three ways to figure Pentecost (21,22,or 23 May), then no man knows the day or hour even though it is tightly bracketed. I would like to know the significance of verses 11 and 12 of Daniel 12 and what is supposed to happen on the days mentioned. Thank you
My reply Re: no man knows the day or hour. That may be true. I don't want to rule out any possibility. If I have to guess, I think midnight Jerusalem time on the 22nd has the edge (but maybe not, see next email).
In Daniel 12, there are three sets of days mentioned, 1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days. The first is the time from Mid-Trib to the end of the full seven-year Tribulation. After that is the Judgment of the Nations, when dominion is taken from Satan and the sheep and goats are separated. The sheep go on into the Millennium. The goats are done away with. The extra 30 days are, I think, to mourn the dead. At the end of the 1335 days, Daniel himself will stand in his own lot, plot of ground, in Israel.
Incoming Email Could Dan 9:24,25 and John 4:34-36 be tied together giving us a confirming time clue?
Dan 9:24,25 reads... Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (commanded Jan 23, 1950 by the Knesset) unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (7x7 weeks of years equal 49 years), and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Could this four months be our four month count down that started 49 years after the Knesset gave the command to declare Jerusalem as their capitol which was possibly confirmed by the big gamma ray blast Jan 23, 1999 ?
If so, it would confirm a Pentecost Rapture as you have stated. In Christ
My reply It seems reasonable to me.
John 4:34-38 says, "Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours."
That fits these days since the GRB really well. This shows us just what we should be doing, not sitting on our lees, but trying to bring in our sheaves. The gamma ray burster being on Jan. 23 makes me wonder if the Rapture will be on May 23rd too.
On May 21,1999, the Moon will occult, pass in front of Regulus, the so-called king star, the brightest star in Leo the lion. Is the Lord trying to tell us something? I wonder if that could indicate that we will not see the king on Sivan 6. Regulus, (Heb., means THE TREADING UNDERFOOT. In the diagram of the Zodiac included in Chris Patrick's book, The Zodiac Conspiracy, the lion's foot is about to tread underfoot Hydra, a snake, i.e., Satan. The brightest star in Hydra is AL PHARD, THE PUT OUT OF THE WAY.
Just above the lion's head is Ursa Major, THE SHEEPFOLD (Big Dipper). The sheep are exiting the doorway and heading toward the reaping sickle in Bootes' hand. The GRB appeared in the tip of the spear in Bootes' other hand. That spear (which Chris has as a shepherd's crook) is defending the Corona (crown, ie., for the Bride?) against Serpens (Satan).
Some of the sheep are still in the sheepfold, lying down, while others are heading out the door. This is not a time for us to lie down on the job, but to all get ready to go out the door.
Bullinger's Witness of the Stars agrees with Chris Patrick. Bootes means The Coming one. His picture shows the spear in Bootes' right hand. The star in the spear head is AL KATUROPS, which means THE BRANCH, TREADING UNDER FOOT. That matches up with the meaning of Regulus. These seem to be telling us the story of the times we are living in.
The star in the head of Bootes is NEKKAR, the PIERCED, showing us that Bootes, as well as Aries, the lamb, and Leo, the lion, represent Christ. What we should take note of along with all this is that in Bootes is the star MUPHRIDE, WHO SEPARATES. The Philadelphians are to be separated from the Laodicean lukewarm sleeping lambs.
In Bullinger's book, I found that the star in Ursa Major closest to the sickle in Bootes' hand is BENET NAISH, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE ASSEMBLY. It is also called AL KAID, THE ASSEMBLED. Other stars are EL ALCOLA, THE SHEEPFOLD; CAB'D AL ASAD, MULTITUDE, MANY ASSEMBLED; ANNAISH, THE ASSEMBLED; EL KAPHRAH, PROTECTED, COVERED (Heb., REDEEMED, RANSOMED); HELIKE, COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS, CALISTO, THE SHEEPFOLD SET OR APPOINTED.
Those all help tell the story, but the one that blew my mind was the star TALITHA. Mark 5:41 says, "And he (Jesus) took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, TALITHA cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I SAY UNTO THEE, ARISE."
Today, Ursa Major is depicted as a bear. It is easy to see how the Hebrew dohver, a fold, and dohv, a bear were confused. TALITHA is in the foot of the bear. Does she represent the dead in Christ to be raised at the Rapture?
Jesus said, "the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth" (Mark 5:39). I Thess. 4:14 mentions those that "sleep in Jesus." In Mark 5:40, those that "laughed him to scorn" were all put out, then he taketh the father and the mother, and them (his disciples) that were with him, and raised Talitha up. It fits.
Above Ursa Major is Ursa Minor (Little Dipper). That minor sheepfold probably represents the Tribulation saints. Draco (Satan) is nearby.
On May 22, Sivan 7, the Moon will not yet be close to DENEBOLA, THE TAIL of Leo.
That will come on May 23rd. DENEBOLA means THE JUDGE OR LORD WHO COMES QUICKLY. January 23 plus four months equals May 23. Will that be when the Lord comes quickly? If we go by the Jewish calendar, Jan. 23 was Shevat 6. That plus 4 months is Sivan 6, May 21, the night Regulas is occluded by the Moon. We will just have to wait and see how this all comes out. While we are waiting, we should try to wake up the sleeping sheep in the sheepfold. They need to confess their sins and be watching--be ready. "He is so near, He is at the door" (Mt. 24:33, Berkeley Version). "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching" (Lu. 12:37).
The "earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the SICKLE, because THE HARVEST IS COME" (Mk. 4:28.29).
Bootes is where the GRB was seen Jan. 23. He has a SICKLE in his hand. The sheep are streaming out of the sheepfold toward the sickle. Our days are numbered. We are numbered. The star PHAEDA, in Ursa Major, means numbered, as a flock. The Lord knows our names, the sheep hear his voice, and we are numbered, as a flock. We have to be as lambs among wolves. We have to look to the shepherd of the flock for protection. He will take care of us. He is between us and Satan, just as Leo is between the sheepfold and Hydra and Bootes is between the sheepfold and Serpens. Agape
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