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FWD: Water confirmed flowing from Temple Mount Rock Weekend News Today , By Andra Brack, Source: Temple Mount Faithful --- Tue May 18 , 1999 -- One of the most exciting events over the last few days has been the news of the water flowing from the holy rock of Abraham and Isaac on the Temple Mount which was in the midst of the First and Second Temples. According to what we now know, the water is definitely flowing from under the rock. The Arabs on the Temple Mount deny this and have tried to stop the flow by many means but have not succeeded. What we now know is that they are trying to bring in special pumps to stop the flow. In any case, the water continues to flow. Nothing can stop it.

This special news has caused much excitement in Israel. Since the destruction of the Second Temple the Jewish People have anticipated this event with great desire and prayers because we always knew that this would be one of the signs of the last days and the redemption of Israel and that the Third Temple is soon to be built and Mashiach ben David is soon to come. Now, at the climax of the major redemptional process of Israel, this major godly event has occurred before our very eyes. This event will show everyone in the world who is trying to stop G-d's determination to redeem the people of Israel, to cancel the last signs of pagan, foreign presence on the Temple Mount, the holy hill of G-d, and any foreign occupation in the land which G-d promised to Israel alone in an eternal covenant. We are expecting more major godly events and redemptional miracles with the people and land of Israel.

The water which is now coming from the holy rock on the Temple Mount is again bringing a testimony from G-d. Everyone who loves the G-d of Israel, trusts and worships Him, should be strong and walk together with the G-d of Israel and not fear anyone, only trust Him and they will have the privilege of seeing the accomplishment of this wonderful godly process of the redemption of Israel and all the world. This is the real significance that everyone should give to their lives in these last days. The G-d of Israel is expecting you to do so and to be blessed by being a part of this exciting redemptional event.

Editor's note: For the VERY prophetic signifance of this water, read Ezekiel 47:1-12 which describes conditions in the millenial reign of Jesus Christ, Mashiach ben David.

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FWD: Jim Bramlett (18 May), "More on the 30-50 window"
Here is another take on the rabbi's 30-50 window and Mike's question the other day that was posted on the 5 Doves site.

The rabbi and others, including me, have assumed that the window applies to Israel, but Ola Ilori in England argues that Israel's Jubilee year should be based on Jerusalem and not Israel. He says:

"Over the last few months I've come to understand, the Lord's time frame for dealing with mankind, can be known by focusing on Jerusalem, instead of Israel....

"Jerusalem was not proclaimed as the capital of Israel until the 23rd of January 1950. This date fell within the 11 month (Shevat) of the 1949/50 Jewish year. To arrive at the correct Jewish Jubilee year we would need to count 49 years, starting from the 1950/51 Jewish year. This would bring us to 1998/99, being the 49th year. The Jubilee trumpet is blown on the tenth day of seventh month in the 49th year. On the gregorian calendar, this date fell on the 30th of September 1998....

"The 49th year came to an end on the 17th of March 1999. The 50th year, being the Jubilee year, began by sunset on that date. It will end by sunset on the 6th April in the year 2000. "

So, according to Ola, Jerusalem's (Israel's) real Jubilee is March 18th 1999 - April 6th 2000. Is he correct? I don't know, but I am open.

Ola's article on this is at:

My reply

Thanks. That agrees with my figures.

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Troy Geri wrote: Ezra & Esther hold more clues on rapture date
Dearest Marilyn, Hope you and Ed are holding up okay?

In regarding May 21-23 as each being possible ways of figuring Pentecost & therefore the rapture i did a search in relation to these numbers to see if they revealed anything enlightening. I found some fascinating patterns in ezra which point to a May 23rd, 1999 rapture date. As we know, many verses in the bible can contain a double meaning, also things that happened to Israel were written as ensamples for us on whom the end of the ages are come. In remembering this we can see a real pattern of meaning emerging out of the following Verses in Ezra

Ezra 2:1
Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city;

Ezra 2 : 11, 17, 19, 21 & 23

The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and three.

The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and three.

The children of Hashum, two hundred twenty and three.

The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three

The men of Bethel and Ai, two hundred twenty and three.

These verses are talking about the children of Israel who were taken away by King Neb to Babylon & whom God then later redeemed from their enemies and returned to Jerusalem again. We also will be taken away by Our King at the rapture. "Came again unto Jerusalem". We will be taken from heaven to the new Jerusalem during Christ's one thousand year reign.

We have considered 23rd/5th to be a real possibility for the date of the rapture. In the verses of Ezra above 23 is referred to 5 consecutive time. Strange!! 23/5. If you look at the fourth repitition of twenty three in Ezra 2 : 21 it says,

"The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three."

Jesus was born in Bethlehem. The star that the three wise men followed shone over Jesus birth place in Bethlehem. In this verse Bethlehem is represented by an hundred and twenty three or 1/23 or 23/1 (23rd January). On 23/1, 1999 we see the biggest GRB in history. Funny that this number (23/1) & the GRB which occurred on that day should be linked to Bethlehem where an untold light also shone in the sky so many years ago to anounce THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH JESUS.

Is it also a coincidence that the 1/23 in Ezra is the fourth in the sequence of 23's. Four months or 120 days from 23/1 brings us to 22/23 May. Any other coincidences. Sure!! Add all the verse number together where twenty three consecutively appears, 11 + 17 + 19 + 21 + 23 = 76. Then if you add the number that is common in all five of these verses (23), we get 76 + 23 = 99., this would give us a pattern of 23/5/99. Again coincidence or divine planning?

Esther, which was overlooked last year holds some additional clues apart from the 12 months of purification. Let's not overlook all esther has to tell us. Esther 8 : 8 & 9..

(Esther 8 : 8) Write ye also for the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring: for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.

(9) Then were the king's scribes called at that time in the third month, that is, the month Sivan, on the three and twentieth day thereof; and it was written according to all that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews, and to the lieutenants, and the deputies and rulers of the provinces which are from India unto Ethiopia, an hundred twenty and seven provinces, unto every province according to the writing thereof, and unto every people after their language, and to the Jews according to their writing, and according to their language.

Here Mordecai is given authority by King Ahasuerus to write to all the peoples of the provinces concerning the Jews. It is the event which gives rise to The Purim which is kept from 'generation to generation'. Mordecai is actually given authority to write in the kings name using the kings seal. Now King Ahasuerus is also known as (Lion King, ie a type of Christ). Therefore we could also say his seal is a type of seal of Christ.. Also the ring could be associated with heaven, the rings of saturn. This brings the rapture to mind, we will all be sealed to God into everlasting life at this time.

John 6 : 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

To seal is 'to seperate', just as we will be seperated from this world at the rapture.. if we take this thought into Esther 8 : 9 it cast a a new light on what is written there. "that is, the month Sivan, on the three and twentieth day thereof;". In otherword this is referring to May 23rd. This is the day the all the scribes are BROUGHT TOGETHER to write and SEAL all that Mordecai instructs them. Just as Mordecai used the kings seal on the 23rd day of Sivan, so also, I hope, will the King of Kings seal us along with Christ into heaven & everlasting life on the 23rd Day of Sivan, 1999.

Yours in agape love
P.S I'm very excited

My reply

Thanks loads. Jesus said he had foretold us all things. It is bound to be there somewhere if we just have eyes to see it. The things that keep happening on the 23rd sure seem to be building up to May 23.

The GRB on Jan. 23 was an amazing sign. It's appearing in the tip of the spear of Bootes, which means HE COMES seems significant. So does the star Al Kalurops, THE SHEPHERD'S CROOK (or THE BRANCH, TREADING UNDER FOOT), in the head of the spear. We are the sheep in the GREATER SHEEPFOLD. Christ is THE COMING SHEPHERD. The star Arcturus, in Bootes, means HE COMES, but is also called "Bear keeper." Ursa Major is now pictured as a bear, but in ancient times was the GREATER SHEEPFOLD. Therefore, "Bear keeper" would be SHEEP KEEPER. Christ is the great shepherd of the sheep.

John 4:35 says, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest?" Jan. 23 to May 23 is four months. Sure makes the 23rd seem likely. Agape

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Re: The name "Mary"
Dear sister in Christ: The scripture tells us that when Jesus was risen:

  Matthew 28:1  "...toward the first day of the week... Mary... and the other Mary came..."
Matthew 28:7  "...go quickly...tell His disciples....He goes before shall see Him...notice I have told you."

  I wonder if the above scripture has double fulfillment. The first fulfillment took place when Jesus was risen, and the second may take place when He is ready to come back for His disciples or His bride.

  I will explain: During the first fulfillment He sent His angels to tell Mary a woman to tell His disciples that He will see them, notice that it was toward the first day of the week. I wonder at the end time just toward the first day of the week of Daniel that He will tell yet another Mary a woman to inform His disciples of the time of His coming. I wonder that since your name is "Marilyn" or a derivative of Mary that you may be the one that fulfills the second part?

  Have you ever thought about that? Does it make sense in light of the scripture as to what I said? I appreciate your response. Thanks.

My reply

I don't know about that. The last thing I'd want to do is to make myself something that I am not. We are supposed to walk humbly with our God. I am nothing. He is everything.

What I do know for sure is that in a darkened room, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Since my Bibles are all marked up with colored pencils, since the Lord spoke audibly to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God," and since I was enabled by the Lord to figure out that the whirlwind will cause an asteroid to impact Earth, I once wondered if Jer. 23:18-20 had anything to do with me. However, after thinking about it, I decided that Moses would fit the bill very nicely, thank you, when he comes to prophesy during the Tribulation.

Jer. 23:18-20 says, "For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly."

Another verse made me wonder, but it says "man" and "he." Jer. 9:12 says, "Who is the wise man, that may understand (biyn) this? and who is he to whom the mouth of the LORD hath spoken, that he may declare it, for what the land perisheth and is burned up like a wilderness, that none passeth through." See? that applies to Moses really well. He maybe didn't know about the asteroid the first time, but he will sure know the next time.

It was just strange how the Lord helped me understand about the asteroid. The Atomic Energy Commission gave president Johnson a statue of Isaiah that was 22" tall. I saw a tiny announcement in the paper, ran to read Isa. 22, and this is what I found in Isa. 22:16-19. "What hast thou here? (Shebna, 'compassing about,' i.e., Satan) and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (on Earth), and he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq, to destroy Babylon): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Anyway, I take no credit for anything except studying really hard to try to unravel God's mysteries. I prayed for understanding of all the deep things, and he honored my prayer. He deserves all the credit for anything I may have accomplished, not me.

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Dear sister in christ, marilyn J. agee, Thanks a million for your courage, hardworking, advice and many more......JESUS LOVES YOU.

I would like to share what I have gone through yesterday (18/5/99). As normal life, after working , i will go home. As everyday life, I will go to the washroom and bath.

As i was bathing, suddenly some water pour out from up to my hair and head. At that moment, i feel the water was so cool and peace in my heart. I suddenly stop bathing and looked up if anything dropping from the celling. But i cannot find anything dropping from up. I wondered what it was dropping. As i came out from the wash room, i go outside and take my dried cloth. As i am picking up my cloth, suddenly again some water drop from up to my head. I was so wondering what it could be and i looked up to see what is happening. But nothing i can see and i am so wondering. I pray and ask the lord if Jesus are going to take us(RAPTURE) in THIS YEAR 1999. If yes, i want a third sign from you lord. Without making much work at home as i usually do, i go inside my room with my son 5 years old. At around 10.00 pm, my son went to bed and i waited until he sleep.

Next, my turn went to sleep. Before i fast asleep, i said to myself maybe it is co - incidental about water pouring through my head and i don't want to get so exicted about it. At around midnight, my son suddenly wake up and he piss(urine) me. I Hope you understand what i am saying because my english is not so good. I quickly wake up and my shoulder and part of my body was wet. By that time, i feel an urgency call but i forget what i have deal with god when i asked god to show me a third sign. I'm only busy getting my cloth change right away. Then I go to bed again.

Today as i was seeing your sight and 5 doves sight, i remembered that the third sign was given to me when my 5 years old son piss on me. Normally my son wake me up if he wants to go to the toilet, but this time he just piss on me(funny isn't). Now i convinced that Jesus is coming this year.

Marilyn, for all the while i don't understand how you can get capitol letter suddenly. Now me myself experience it. When i tape in this year 1999, suddenly and automatically it changed to capitol letter (THIS YEAR 1999). I'm so suprised and i know jesus is indeed given us a sign.

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with us. I had to laugh though.

My eyes have been burning, and I couldn't get my email last night, so I went to bed before 10:00 PM. I slept until 2:23 AM and awoke with foot cramps. I got up, took calcium and a Valerian Root capsule, went back to bed, but couldn't go back to sleep. I finally got up around 4.45 AM. Now as I read this, I laughed and tears flowed from my eyes. Maybe it will wash out whatever is bothering them. We have VERY smoggy/foggy air today, plus they are blasting rocks in the field near us.

I am glad someone else had the capital letter thing happen to them. It feels so strange when it happens and I didn't do a thing to cause it. Sometimes I don't know it till later when I look back at what I typed. Sometimes I see it working as I am in the middle of something. I just have to keep on saying what I started to say and see how it comes out.

There are lots of people thinking that this year 1999 is it. Agape

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FWD: Pilgrimage and the Shavuot Offering
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From: Temple Mount Faithfull
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:19 AM
Subject: Pilgrimage and the Shavuot Offering

This year the Festival of Shavuot will be on Friday the 21st May. The members of The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement will make the traditional Biblical pilgrimage to the Temple Mount. They will carry with them the first-fruits offering to the G-d of Israel exactly as our forefathers did. The special thing that we will do this Shavuot is that we will also bring the two special challot (holy bread) as an offering to G-d. It will be carried by a priest. All of this will be done even though the Temple is still not rebuilt but with the deep prayer that this soon happen and we shall bring all of this to the Temple itself. We decided to fulfill these Biblical commandments, to state very clearly that this process has already started and that we are preparing the hill of G-d for the great moment of the rebuilding of the temple. We wanted to renew this beautiful, unique tradition and commandment of G-d, to teach the people of Israel with the worship in the Temple and to say very clearly in front of G-d and the people of Israel that we are ready and that the rebuilding of the Temple fits this prophetic time and is need more than at any time in the past for Israel and all the nations. This will be an exciting, godly event and the unique part of this special time that one day history will share with the coming generations.

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Dear Marilyn, Well, we are almost there. I thank God for Him that I have been able to hear Him through your obedience. And not just me, but many. Father, thank You for Your mighty and loving hand at work through Your servant, our sister, Marilyn. Bless her. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Marilyn, this will probably be my final note to you before we meet together in the clouds, and then with Jesus.

A few thoughts regarding Pentecost.
1. Acts chapter 2, verses 1, 2 and 3, signify the 'birth' of the Church.
That is, written a bit differently, 21, 22 and 23.
2. Sivan 6, 7 and 8, of the Jewish calendar. 6+7+8=21.
3. January, February, March and April 1999=120 days
4. 21+22+23=66 There are 66 books in the Bible. After that, that's it.
5. Acts 2:3 'Cloven' tongues. Cloven means a parting, separation, a distribution to each, if you will, of the 'prize' or not.
It is used only once more in Deut. There it is looking at one group of cloven hoofed animals, etc. But, it goes on to 'separate' between those 'clean' which they may eat, and those 'unclean' that they may not eat. Perhaps the first Pentecost when the Church was born was a symbol or prophecy of the exit Pentecost.

Marilyn, I keep thinking what would have to coincide with the Rapture that would distract many but not all from seeing it? That is, those that are left. A 'rushing mighty wind' and 'cloven tongues like as of fire. A meteor shower hitting the earth, maybe larger? Or some type of war with fire?

Marilyn, pray that all of my household and I are accounted worthy to be caught up, to escape all these things which are to come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man, Jesus Christ our Lord. Agape.

My reply

I agree with you to pray. Dear Heavenly Father, I pray that both of our families will be accounted worthy to escape and stand before our Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that our underage children/grandchildren/great grandchildren will be caught up with us whether they are physically with us on Earth or not. In Jesus' name, Amen.

I don't know if anything special will happen to distract the world. Gen. 5:24 simply says, "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

I was interested to find out that the prophet, Enoch, had something to do with drawing up the signs of the Zodiac. Last Jan. 23, the mind-boggling gamma ray burster was seen in Bootes, which means THE COMING ONE. Bootes is from the Hebrew root Bo, to come. The word is used in Psa. 96:13: "the LORD: for HE COMETH, for HE COMETH to judge the earth." This Psalm starts out with "O SING unto the LORD a NEW SONG." Verse 8 says, "and COME INTO HIS COURTS." That reminds me of Rev. 5:9: "And they sung a NEW SONG...and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." (also Rev. 4:1,2's "Come up hither" and "a throne was set in heaven.")

Judgment starts at the house of God. A star in one leg of Bootes is called Muphride, WHO SEPARATES. I think that is fitting, because one leg of the Body of Christ will probably be born into another world before the other leg. One group is the Greater Sheepfold. The other is the Lesser Sheepfold, the Tribulation saints.

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Marilyn, Gershon Salomon sent another email this morning, "Pilgrimage and the Shavuot Offering." Members of the Temple Mount Faithful will make a pilgrimage to the Temple Mount on Friday May 21st. "They will carry with them the first-fruits offering to the G-d of Israel exactly as our forefathers did. The special thing that we will do this Shavuot is that we will also bring the two special challot (holy bread) as an offering to G-d. It will be carried by a priest....." I think it is noteworthy that this is the first year that the Temple Mount Faithful will be offering the two loaves at the Temple Mount.

Watching and praying, In His Love

My reply

I think so too. Those loaves represent us, probably both OT saints and Church saints. They are baked with leaven, but we should remember that they are BAKED. The heat of the oven stops the growth of leaven. We have all probably felt the heat this year. I hope we have all stopped the growth of leaven in our lives this year and stand ready as wise virgins waiting patiently on our Bridegroom, doing just what he said--to occupy until he comes. To me, that means normal life, but keeping our faith strong and sins confessed. I guess my motto could be, keep on keeping on.

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Hi--- Dear Marilyn! Dear sister in the Lord!!! Well, we are getting closer and closer to our rendezvous and I remember how I felt last year at this time! I will be dreadfully disappointed if this happens NOT to be our "time", but we did not get a 7 year warning. Noah KNEW when the rain was going to start - God gave him [wierd, but I had a typo error here and typed ME instead of Noah the first time - wierd, cause I did not have a 7 year or 7 day warning that I KNOW OF!!!] a 7 year DEFINITE warning. I certainly hope that the little autistic boy we heard about rec'd a message from the Lord in 1998 and that David Gant is right and that we really ARE in the year 1999, but we could be in for another disappointment.

I hope not, Marilyn. But, if for some reason, we are wrong again, I hope that you will not be discouraged and not give up your site. It will be a difficult time for you thinking that we may have yet another year--- and for ME too and others that are so earnestly awaiting our Saviour's return! I am so weary of this sin-cursed world! I want to go HOME!

There are hateful people out there who will have their "good times" you know, making fun of us like they did Noah for 120 years, but we know that JESUS is coming soon, even if we are off another year! You have blessed many, many people thousands of times thru your pages and you have been a tremendous blessing to me! God bless you! I truly hope to be meeting you FACE-to-FACE in the next week my dear Sister in the Lord!!! :-)

My reply

If we pass this Pentecost, I will be disappointed, but not downcast. I can wait as long as it takes. I just have to lean on the Lord to take care of us whether it is here or there. He knows what he is doing, and what is best all around. I trust him completely. Agape

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