Pro and Con 326
Thank you so much for all of your hard work. I also thank God for guiding through this ministry. I hope to see you soon in our Father's house.
I was wondering -- What will happen to your site if this weekend is in fact the weekend of the rapture? Will it remain for those who have been left behind or will it vanish from the world wide web? I have told many people about your site and hope that if they are left behind they will access the site.
Other than that, I pray constantly that God's will be done and that He will call for His Son's bride soon.
My reply This web site at pe.NET IS PAID FOR THROUGH SEPTEMBER, 1999. If the Rapture has taken place and someone wants to keep this site up, they may. (I didn't mean to make those caps. It just happened. Neither the shift nor caps lock key was down.)
They could also set up other mirror sites. I have set up two. Each HTML document is available by way of "View" and "Source" in Netscape. There will be something similar in Microsoft Explorer. I would just ask that the files not be edited, but kept intact and complete (except to delete my addresses, FAX and phone number). (My three books, published by Avon Books, will be available from chains like B. Dalton.)
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Incoming Email Subject: The Water: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:09:26 -0400
Marilyn, your Pro&Con 324 opened with this incoming email:
I received an email from Gershon Salomon, of the Temple Mount Faithful this morning (rec'd 5-18-99). He stated that there is indeed water flowing from the Temple Mount. The Arabs have brought in pumps to try to stop it. Gershon states: "in any case, the water continues to flow. Nothing can stop it." Looking forward to seeing you in glory........soon. In His Love, Sharon Kaiser
I searched and could not find updated information on this water story. Lo and behold I was reading a conservative political forum on the net and this link was provided for those engaged in a debate (I was just reading and not discussing anything with them), but I followed the link and it led me to Gershon Salomon. Our great God works in such mysterious ways. Here it is for all who are interested: http://www.templemountfaithful.org/s5757.htm
Incoming Email I just wanted you to know that your web-site has been a real inspiration for me. Your insights, and those of contributing writers have pushed me to be a better Christian. I'm still in need of my Father's daily forgiveness but I am a better person for it.
I am fearful of not being counted among those worthy enough to be raptured this May 21st, 22nd, or 23rd. I fear I don't have enough oil in my jar and I fear for the rest of my family. I pray that if anyone in my family be left behind that it be me and not my wife, my son, or my daughter.
I'm sorry for sounding so needy but I'm asking you to please pray for my family and I to be included in the rapture whenever it happens. In His name, PS. I'll be praying for you and Ed.
My reply Thanks. I prayed.
I don't think you have anything to worry about if you have tried to confess known sins since you first accepted Christ. I think the Holy Spirit will bring things to mind if you have neglected something. Just pray as you think of things. Keep short accounts on anything that happens as you walk the Christian walk. Ask for forgiveness immediately. Walk humbly with God and wait patiently until he comes.
Remember that rewards are available for what you do while filled with the Holy Spirit while you are here. Be ready to give an account of the hope that is within you when the occasion arises. Speak to those the Lord impresses upon your mind, by phone or otherwise. He knows who needs what and when.
Someone phoned to tell me that he called a man who sat by him a couple of times in church and had talked to maybe four times. His only reason was because the man seemed interested in Bible Prophecy. It turned out to be the answer to that man's prayer. The Lord knows how to get information to people that genuinely want it. We should not turn down a sudden urge to talk to someone. Agape
Incoming Email Still think He's coming tomorrow? I sure hope so. your brother in Christ
My reply It could be May 23 very easily. We had the huge gamma ray burster on Jan. 23. Four months, or 120 days not counted inclusively, comes to May 23. Otherwise, I have no reason to think it won't be this Pentecost.
The water now flowing from under to rock at the temple mount seems significant too. See Ezek. 47:1-12: "behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar..."
In Zech. 14:8,9, after the Second Advent, "it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea (the Mediterranean), and half of them toward the hinder sea (the Dead Sea); in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."
There are two Jerusalems, one earthly, the other heavenly. The earthly one is a type of the heavenly one. Even in the heavenly New Jerusalem, there is "a pure river and water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb" (Rev. 22:2). It seems that this is the heavenly one for "there shall be no night there" (v. 5).
Incoming Email This is the response I got from the website listed on your P&C about the California earthquakes. Apparently the number of earthquakes (listed for one week only) is not all that surprising. I highlighted the pertinent information.
> > I am a novice in reading your earthquake maps. I am noticing the
> growing numbers of recent earthquakes in California. One thing I would
> like to know is for how long a period of time is this current map
> showing activity? Is it just a week? If so, is this number of quakes
> "normal" for California in one week? I realize that they are not big
> quakes, but over 1600 quakes in only one week is mind boggling. If
> this is abnormal, why haven't we heard anything in the news about
> them? Where can I find a record of the number of earthquakes per week,
> month, year, etc. I would like to put this in perspective. There are
> quite a lot of other people interested in this also. Thank you> >
...Recent activity and the high number of earthquakes on the map is due to the activity occurring in the Long Valley/Mammoth Lakes area. If I remember correctly, the highest number of earthquakes shown on the California map nearly reached 2,500 in December 97. This activity was due to a similar sequence in the Mammoth Lakes area. For additional information regarding Long Valley/Mammoth Lakes look at the page at
Hope that helps! Thank you for visiting the USGS Western Region Earthquake Hazards Web Site.
Sincerely, Susan Garcia: email@example.com
My reply Thanks so much for checking. We needed some frame of reference on this. God bless
Incoming Email Thank you AGAIN for the wonderful insights today on the gospel in the constellations!!
You have such reward awaiting you shortly...your ministry has touched so many of us profoundly. I have taught the Bible for thirty years until my own health failed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I initially came into my understanding of scripture in the study of the Book of Revelation, and yet you have never failed to amaze me in your perceptions over the past two years that I have read your site. You have swung me wholly to your point of view over time and with you I long with deep aching homesickness for His Return more than ever before.
Marilyn, I've told you before that you remind me of my spiritual mother who was offered any position at Moody Bible Institute that she wanted after her husband (a Federal Judge) died. She chose instead to "stand in the gap" and taught Bible studies all over the West Coast in the '40's thru the '60's...she taught college professors, doctors...hundreds of us who went on to teach thousands...she was seventy, as well, when she first entered my life in the 60's. Now in the next generation my children and their spouses are a part of hundreds of thousands being touched by major ministries. She had no idea of the ripple effect of her life in those she taught. And I think of you, like her, and the ripple effect of your work-hundreds of thousands reached on the Internet and thru your books! It is beyond anything that any of us imagine...well, well done, thou good and faithful servant.
I am also just getting over the same bug you are getting...a week later, lots of vaporizers, expectorants, vitamin C and echinnacea and prayer and REST are recommended, dear one. We will be praying for you. Until we can greet one another in the air, take care of yourself!!! Agape
My reply Thanks. Rest may be recommended, but I can't rest much. There is so much to do. I came home from Arby's this evening and went to sleep sitting here at my computer. Didn't fall out of my chair or anything. Strange. I made a pot of regular coffee. We usually make Decaf, but I want to stay awake right now.
How I will love to meet everyone later. What a day that will be. We'll probably hardly know our own bodies. I think we will go back to the prime of life, maybe 30-33. That will be super, but take a bit of getting used to again.
Incoming Email I am finding it almost impossible to find anyone - especially the clergy that believe in what is known as Pre-Trib rapture. This was for many years the prevailing belief and was preached in camp-meetings, revivals, Evangelistic crusades, etc. - Be READY Jesus can come as He said in the hour when you don"t expect - as a thief in the night, but now many prophetic scholars write books by the hundreds about the going idea of what they call: PRE-Wrath rapture, and they give hundreds of scriptures which they say backs up their belief. I some-how believe in my heart and soul that we are at the point of no return when I see what is happening in Israel and the violence in our society but I also know that Israel (RABIN) and the current PM. of Israel have signed covenant agreements and the Jewish nation is hungry for PEACE! The prophecies are being fulfilled before our eyes and yet the PRE-WRATH rapture concept is like a snow ball gathering momentum every day as it rolls down hill. The Pentecost date seems rational - but I have ne ver felt comfortable with date setting as such but can see the CHURCH began at Pentecost and could end at that point in time. What is your experience with this new thinking of Pre-Wrath rapture? In Him
My reply I am totally convinced that there are two Raptures, a Pre-Trib Rapture and a Pre-Wrath Rapture. I think the first will be on Pentecost, the last on the Feast of Trumpets. The first is the first trump (Nu. 10:2-4). The last is the last trump (I Cor. 15:52). The first is before the first seal is broken (Rev. 5:9). The second is between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals (Rev. 7:14). The first is as the days of Noah. No fire fell that day, only water, symbol of the Spirit of Christ. The last is as the days of Lot. Fire fell that same day. It will be the same at the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It is the Day of God's Wrath. They barely get out of the fiery furnace in time. The asteroid impacts come at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). More details on my file at: http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/2rapt.html
As for what is going on now, we have to realize that we are living among the Laodiceans and it is the latter times near the end of this age. This is to be expected. We will even find some saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation" (II Peter 3:4).
We have to remain strong in the face of adversity, in the midst of teachers of all kinds of weird things wrapped like a bitter pill in a thin candy coating of truth to try to get us to swallow it. Hang in there. The time is getting shorter every day. Only believe what the Bible says. It is the only truth we have to go by. The people that were not in the Ark didn't believe Noah either, but it did rain. The Rapture will take some by surprise also, but He will come.
Incoming Email Re: Rapture
Greetings in the most precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
Regarding to your analysis of the coming pre-tribulation, could you kindly read all the scriptural studies I've attached here...and provide me a concrete scriptural evidence that will invalidate the timing of sequence of the coming tribulation based on the studies I've attached here.
Thank you very much and God Bless! In Christ Name
***From Marilyn: Have a heart. You sent me 86K of material. One Pro and Con file is about 30K. I read this material, but there is no way I can go through it all point by point. I do not have that kind of time or space. This person is very mixed up. Don't listen to him. Read the scriptures for yourself. Pray that the Lord will give you wisdom.
***The last trumpet call for the saints can't be at the seventh trumpet judgment. If it were, the saints would have to go through God's Wrath. That can't be so.
***There are two Raptures, one Pre-Trib, the other Pre-Wrath. The first group is seen in heaven in Rev. 5:9. The second group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. The first is before the first seal is broken. The second is between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals.
***Read about the two trumpets in Nu. 10:2-4. These are the two trumps that call the saints to the assembly in Heaven. They have nothing to do with the seven trumpet judgments.
> > But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (Mark 13:24-27, KJV). > >
***He forgets that some of these were already in Heaven by this time. This is the second Rapture. It is on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the asteroid impacts Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).
> > And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4-6, KJV).
Sequence of Events:
1 The first resurrection (this includes people who are killed during the tribulation for not worshipping the beast or receiving his mark.
2 Those who are resurrected reign 1000 years with Christ.
3 The rest of the dead rise after the 1000 years is finished
4 The second death (For those who are not part of the first resurrection) Timing:
Begins after the people are beheaded for their witness of Jesus, and for not worshipping the beast or receiving his mark, but before the thousand year reign of Christ.
Here we can clearly see that there will be people who have been executed during the tribulation present at the first resurrection. This can only occur if the resurrection occurs after the tribulation. These are the people who reign with Christ for a thousand years. If there is a pre-tribulation rapture, then these people are raised before the first official resurrection, they may not reign with Christ, and they may even be subject to the second death! Clearly, a pre-tribulation rapture requires that these verses must either be refuted or ignored.> >
***There are ranks in the first resurrection, "every man in his own order (tagmati, rank)" (I Cor. 15:23). He says, "they may not reign with Christ, and they may even be subject to the second death!" I'm sorry, but those of the first Rapture are "kings and priests" (Rev. 5:10). And, for goodness sakes, how could you listen to someone that thinks a Christian could ever be "subject to the second death!"? Discard this trash. Agape
Incoming Email I pray that our gracious Lord, Jesus Christ, will gird you both up with the STRENGTH of a hundred!! There is so much to do in these last hours (we pray earnestly that these are, indeed, the last hours). I know that God, the Holy Spirit, must be bearing you up because of all the physical weaknesses you both are enduring at the present moment. You both are inspirational, and your labors are helping to give encouragement to the hundreds of persons who look eagerly to your web-site for the latest sharing of knowledge and insight into God's Holy Word.
Dear Heavenly Father, give Marilyn and Ed the strength to finish the race You have set for them and grant them peace and joy in their labors; and give all of us who eagerly await the appearing of Your Son the grace to be counted worthy to enter into His Holy Presence. Through Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Spirit: AMEN.
Mr. and Mrs. Agee, please keep me and my family in your prayers. Thank you. I hope we shall meet very soon....Sincerely, Yours in Christ Jesus
My reply Thanks for your concern and prayers. I added you and your family to my prayer list. We couldn't make it without the Lord's help...
Incoming Email An interesting thought...Since netanyahu was in power for only 3 years and now there has been a change, could this correlate in any way with the parable of the fig tree that was to be cut down after 3 years but that got one more year to produce fruit because the caretaker made a change and put extra attention into it? Does this mean Israel could have one more year before it is cut down?
My reply The fig tree is Israel, not its leader. I think the Tribulation will start on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.
It seems that the 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil was 5758 (our 1997/98). If we count those four years in the parable of the barren fig tree as 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001, it works out right with all the other things we are given. These four years seem to be Israel's grace years. He is watching to see if they will produce ripe fruit. If not, the Tribulation will come to pass.
Incoming Email Hello How are you
This site has really captured me I have no idea how I found it but I'm trying my best to get myself and family ready, do you have anymore advice? besides repenting of sin? I don't know you but I pray Jesus blesses you and continues to give you wisdom.
My reply Ed's cold is getting better. I am sooooo tired. I didn't get enough sleep last night. Foot cramps woke me at 2:23 AM. I couldn't go back to sleep. My eyes burn. Otherwise, I'm ok.
Isaiah 59:2 says, "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."
Sin causes a barrier between us and God. The Holy Spirit is being quenched. At this point, if we confess our sins (those committed after accepting Christ), he is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). Then the Holy Spirit, as living water within us, wells up and fills us. At that point, we should be pure virgins with enough oil to be taken up in the Rapture.
Peter gave us a list of things we should add to our faith to make our "calling and election sure." Here is his list, "that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature": virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly KINDNESS, charity (agape love). "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (Heaven at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (II Peter 1:4-11).
Incoming Email Re: THANK YOU MARILYN
This fifty-six year old Texan from the Body of Christ (Corpus Christi) says, "Thank You"! Thank you for your shared life time of special insite into God's Redemptive Plan for man. God used a woman to bear a son called Immanuel. God used women to tell the world, "He is risen"! Marilyn, I thank God has used you to show the world the realistic calendar and clear "signs of the times"!
I too thought the pre-trib rapture would occur 1997/1998, but I was then looking a first rapture during the Feast of Trumpets/Yom Kippur. Further study and the discovery four months ago of your spirit led work and efforts has helped me set my understanding on Pentecost, a (pre-trib rapture), a better (prize) promise and a much more of a solid ground understanding. I thank you again!
You are truely special and I am looking forward to meeting you and Ed in paradise.
NOW THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH: BUT ANY MAN DRAW BACK, MY SOUL SHALL HAVE NO PLEASURE IN HIM. But we are not of them who draw back into perdition; but of them that BELIEVE to the saving of the soul (Hebrews 10:38, 39).
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: For it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth: To the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: As it is written, The just shall live by faith (Romans 1:16, 17). Agape'.
My reply Thanks to you too. I am just doing what I think the Lord wants me to do. I'm always pleased that it is helpful somewhere along the line. Agape
Incoming Email Hi Marilyn, I am with you all the way...Praying for your endurance physically. Know you will make it spiritually. Pentecost 99 coming soon, so is Jesus.
My reply ...All files should now be on pe. While waiting for those 142 Pro and Cons and the index.html to UL, I was looking over the Zodiac stuff again. It is jampacked with information. Just as Cepheus, the Branch who is crowned King, has at his feet the Lesser Sheepfold, Jesus will receive his golden crown on the same day as the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
Since the fish in Pisces that is swimming north (representing the first Rapture, just as the Greater Sheepfold does) toward Cepheus the King overlaps Andromeda, the chained woman, it looks like the martyrs are part of the Bride for as the story goes, Perseus married Andromeda. (In Rev. 6:11, "white robes were given unto every one of them.")
Cassiopeia, THE ENTHRONED, is the wife to whom the King is holding out the scepter, as king Ahasuerus did to Esther. The other fish in Pisces has to swim back to get some more water from Aquarius. Those must be the foolish virgins. In early drawings, those fish had the faces of women.
God named the stars. Al Maac, in Andromeda means THE STRUCK DOWN. That fits her being pictured in chains as if in prison. In Perseus is Athik, HE WHO BREAKS, and Al Genib, HE WHO CARRIES AWAY. In the head of the enemy he is carrying is the star Rosh Satan (Heb.), THE HEAD OF SATAN. (This is where the comets passed through forming a cross with their tracks.) In Cepheus, whom the Ethiopians called Hyk, THE KING, is Al Phirk, THE REDEEMER, and Al Rai, HE WHO BRUISES OR BREAKS. The day Christ gets his golden crown is, I think, the day of the second Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath. It all fits. It is amazing how much information is there to dig out.
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