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David Hill wrote:
> I do wish we knew exactly when the water started to flow. Anyway, we know it was recently.
> First, the red heifer, now the water. Israel should realize that Messiah ben David is near.

MJ, The rumor first appeared on the Doves, hot off the press, on the 5th of May. In that particular first rumor, it said that the water started flowing during the previous week. This would put it IN THE SECOND PASSOVER WEEK. For this passover, they also celebrated for one week, just like the original. And actually, during the times of Hezekiah, they kept this passover week, in the second month, for Two full weeks. Anyways, it was during this first week of the second passover, that the manna fell from heaven, and the water fell from heaven. So...

We have the Red Heifer Born; a Biblical Jubilee Year based on the City of Jerusalem, the Law of Return and the Magic Carpet ride of the Jews of Yemen. We now have the First Fully Sanctyified Moon in 2,000 years. We have a Church that has been preparing herself for one solid year, and now we have Water out of a Rock! We have a Comet in 1996 that was in the constellation of Perseus the Breaker, during a full moon eclipse on the Feast of Passover. We then have a 1997 comet in the Constellation of Andromeda the captive woman and future Bride of Perseus, on a full moon eclipse on the Feast of Purim. And then we had a third comet, a type of the male child, that came in 1998, and passed through Both of those other two constellations, in spring of last year. And of course we have the Gamma Ray Burst, on the Anniversary of the Jerusalem proclamation.

And we have the Church of Smyrna, that is suffering Persecution in China. The persecution started exatly in 1900, with the Boxer rebellion. There have been exactly Ten Periods of Persecution during these last 100 years. The Tenth and last period of persecution started with the massacre in Tiananmen Square in June of 1989, exactly Ten Years ago. And, if I don't miss my guess, they are probably experiencing an incredible amount of persecution right now as we speak, that will end at the Rapture. So, is it just a coincidence that there are exactly 10 days between the ascension and Pentecost.

It is time to go home! Your brother in Yeshua

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Thanks for all the great information. Do you have anything else to add to my recap on the comets?

My recap on the comets:
(1) Hyakutake (seen on January 29, 1996) was in Perseus, the Breaker, during a full moon eclipse on Passover.

Perseus represents Christ, who will use the Sword of the Lord on the same day that Cepheus, the Branch, the King (Christ) holds out the scepter to Cassiopeia, the wife.

(2) Hale-Bopp (seen on March 23, 1997) was in the Constellation of Andromeda the captive woman and future Bride of Perseus, on a full moon eclipse on Purim.

Andromeda represents the martyrs, who will all be given white robes and be included in the Bride of Christ.

(3) SOHO 98J1 (seen on May 4, 1998) passed through both Perseus and Andromeda in spring.

Perseus and Andromeda represent Christ and the martyrs, who become part of the Bride of Christ. Andromeda is hooked to the fish that is going up, i.e., the martyrs are part of the Bride of Christ that goes up in the first Rapture. (The other fish has to swim back and get more water from Aquarius.)

Now, how about the comets being a series pointing to the year of the Rapture? 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999?

Do you suppose those could be the four years indicated by the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9? Agape

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Re: Comets (David Hill)
Now, how about the comets being a series pointing to the year of the Rapture? 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999?
Do you suppose those could be the four years indicated by the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9?

I think that the four years are the first four years of the tribulation, that usher in the time of Jacobs trouble. They start the sacrifices again, but the nation as a whole, at that point, don't except Yeshua's sacrifice. So, God uses the end of the trib, to bring them to the point where they are ready to accept Yeshua as their Messiah and Savior.

I do think however, that the three comets are a countdown to this year! your brother in Yeshua, david

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I was looking for some material on the feasts and found a page I had torn out of one of Perry Stone's Voice of Evangelism magazines. He said, "Recently, possibly the brightest event ever recorded by man occurred on December 14,1997. On that date, a Gamma Ray burst lit up the heavens for a few seconds. Experts report that the energy and light released from this burst, would be equal to the total of ten trillion stars! Where this burst occurred is unique. According to Christian astronomers, the burst marked the heavens at the line of Right Ascension that divides Leo (represents Christ) and Virgo (represents Mary or Israel). According to ancient sources, this is where the circle of heaven is broken, marking the beginning and the ending point.

"Since the burst happened in the sphere between the tail of Draco (the Dragon) and Ursa Major, the heavenly sign that signifies the greater sheepfild, could this heavenly burst of light be a sign that the beginning of the end is near?"

I think that was the largest GRB up to that time. Since then, we have had two, Jan. 23 and May 10, 1999, to catch our attention. The magnitude of these in 1999 is enough to take my breath away.

Lu. 21:24-28 says, "Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Israel took Jerusalem in 1967, and we are seeing signs in the heavens. NASA (Heb. lifted up) found a Polar Hexagon beneath the surface of the Sun similar to the one Voyager found at the North Pole of Saturn. On Jerusalem's 3000th anniversary, two lunar eclipses were seen from Israel. One was during Passover. The latter one, during Tabernacles, was a red moon. Oh yes, I forgot that the Hale-Bopp comet was seen when Noah was building the Ark. It does seem that we are on the home stretch. Agape

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David Hill wrote: Re: Temple Mount : Water from Rock
> --- Andra Brack wrote:
> David,
> The article came from an email sent out to subscribers from Gershon Salomon's
> organization, the Temple Mount Faithful group. They are the ones who each feast day,
> make a march to try to pray on the Mount, or last fall even took the cornerstone for
> the Temple up to the Mount. Of course, they were turned back, but the cornerstone
> sits near the Western Wall. They are also, since 1997, performing ritual Passover
> sacrifices on Mount Olives until they have access to the Mount. They are a very
> respectable organization. There was also a report of this from Arutz 7 about 2 weeks
> ago. When we have more confirmation, we will post it. We are following this with high
> interest. In a few days, after Shavout and Sabbath are over, I expect to see it on
> the TMF website.
> God Blessings go with you, Andra


Thank you so much for your response! I am slightly familiar with the Temple Mount Faithful, having visited their site several times. And of course I have followed their work with the Stone, and most recently of course the Two Loaves of Bread!

I understand that they are credible. I didn't mean to cast any doubt on their witness, and I hope that people don't take that the wrong way. But in keeping with the Biblical principle, it would be nice if another organization in Israel, with similar credentials, would verify the story. Hence, I sent that letter to the Jerusalem Post, and Ha'artz, in the hopes that one of them would be willing to give God the Glory, as a Testimony to His Work in Israel. I guess I was trying to stir the nest a little. I understand their possible reluctance to publish this, but the Truth cannot be contained, and certainly need not be feared, and they need to get with the program (so to speak). The fact that they haven't denied this rumor, is 'confirmation from silence', so to speak.

I also sent the letter to a Christian organization for the same reason. I think it would be appropriate if they also added their witness to this. And finally I sent the letter to the doves and MJ's site, because I knew that they would be interested, and also, as a Testimony to any of my Jewish brethren that might frequent those sites. For, I can safely say, that most of the Doves, and MJAgee, love Israel with all their hearts, and only have their best interests in Heart, and like Israel, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem!

Again, thanks for you help, and with you I await futher confirmation, in a high state of anticipation!

And may the Lord bless you as well, david hill

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Thanks for checking on this. It is interesting that the water seems to have begun flowing from the temple mount in early May, 50 years after Israel ended her War of Independence and was admitted into the UN on May 11, 1949.

Last night, May 22, we had a thunderstorm. I had to unplug my computer. From the sound on things outside my window, it even hailed. The rain poured, the thunder roared, the long thick streaks of lightning not only lit up the sky, they lit our front yard like bright daylight. Getting cold standing at the front door, I went back to my desk.

On a stand to the left of my open Bible directly in front of me lay a printout of your email about star names and meanings from Bullinger's book, I read through it and came to your last paragraph. You said, "And one more thing I would like to say. When I asked the Father to confirm the timing of the Rapture for me, He gave me Ps 77:17. The last couple of verse in that chapter is: "Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron." It is so obvious, that I totally missed it. This is anytime between Passover and Pentecost."

Of course, I turned to Psa. 77:17. With it storming outside, I read, "The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad." I read the rest of the chapter, as you did. "The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook. Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known. Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron."

I read Psa. 78, especially noting verses 2,16,23, and 52: "I will open my mouth in a parable...He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers....Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven...But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock."

I opened Strong's Concordance to "thunder" and then looked up I Sam. 12:16-18. Under Scofield's heading "The sign of thunder and rain," it said, "Now therefore stand and see this great thing, which the LORD will do before your eyes. Is it not WHEAT HARVEST TODAY: I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send THUNDER AND RAIN; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the LORD,in asking you a king." My eyes were immediately drawn to 13:8, for I had drawn a red line between 12:17 and 13:8. It says, "And he (Saul) TARRIED SEVEN DAYS, according to the set time that Samuel (heard, or asked of God) had appointed: but Samuel came not to Gilgal; and the people were scattered from him." In verses 10-14, it says, "as soon as he (Saul) had made an end of offering the burnt-offering, behold, Samuel came; and Saul went out to meet him...And Samuel said, What hast thou done? And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and that thou camest not within the days appointed...I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt-offering. And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the Lord thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue."

Saul was king, and we have a chance to become kings and priests (Rev. 1:6; 5:10). Saul was tested by Samuel's tarrying, and we are tested by the Bridegroom's tarrying. Scofield's heading above 13:11 says, "The divine rejection of Saul announced." Lest we be rejected as kings also, let us wait patiently until The Lord comes.

This just emphasizes that we must obey the things the Lord's Word tells us. Jesus said, "Occupy till I come" (Lu. 19:13). Heb. 6:11,12 says, "And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises." James 1:3,4 says, "Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." Lu. 21:19 says, "In your patience possess ye your souls." Rev. 3:10,11 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

I will wait patiently, however long it takes, but my mind keeps on wondering if there is anything that tells us how long it will be. I think of what you quoted: "'Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron.'"

If we are being led like the Israelites, it is not many days from Sinai to spying out the land. Nu. 13:20 says, "Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes. That is May/June. We are in that time slot now. Let's be faithful and patient and see how this plays out. "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us FROM the wrath to come" (I Thess. 1:10).

Last May/June Saturn seemed to dance around the star Torcularis Septentrionalis in the Greater Sheepfold (Ursa Major, The Big Dipper). The Arabs call this constellation Al Naish, or Annaish, THE ASSEMBLED TOGETHER, AS SHEEP IN A FOLD. Bullinger said that the seven main stars of this constellation are called by some Septentriones, which became the Latin word for north. North indicates up.

On Jan. 23, we had a huge GRB. On May 10, we had another. It seems that the water started flowing at the temple just before that. Tonight, May 23, four months after the first huge GRB, the Moon, which is said to represent the church reflecting the light of the Sun, the Bridegroom, will be near Denebola, THE JUDGE OR LORD WHO COMES QUICKLY, in Leo, which represents the Lion of the tribe of Judah. I don't know how quickly, but it is interesting to watch as things develop. Stay strong.

I was ready to send this and just happened to notice a slip of paper I had stapled to the top of the star chart for this May 21. It says, "May 5, 2000 is the first alignment of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter & Saturn in 6,000 years." Do you know any way we can confirm the date this last took place?


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Greg Fry wrote:
Marilyn, Just wanted to inform you of the following. It was taken from

Powerful Space Blast Spotted
Astronomers are hot on the trail of the latest mysterious monster gamma ray burst from deep space, which let loose on May 10.

Like the highly publicized gamma ray burst in January, the latest big burst dwarfed the power of whole galaxies and was detected early enough for astronomers to take aim with instruments and capture new clues.

"There was a lot of data that was taken by good fortune," says Richard West, a scientist with the European Southern Observatory. "There's no doubt it's the real thing."

Last week's burst happened in the southern sky. It came as astronomers from the European Southern Observatory facility in Chile were already observing a much weaker gamma ray burst that started on May 6, says Chryssa Kouveliotou, a scientist at the Universities Space Research Association. God Bless

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Thanks so much for letting me know. It is amazing that of the over 2000 that have been seen since 1967, these two, close together, in 1999, are of such a greater magnitude than any of the others.

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Jason Shick wrote:
Your logic is abdurd in your arguments for the whens and wheres. It seems to me that you have lost all sense of feeling, for every time one of your predictions fails, then you just go and set another date. You use all kinds of metaphors and similes which are a shaky foundation, since they don't seem to be based on fact. The Word of God stands sure forever, but you are not using God's Word in Truth.

You are making people get their hopes up, and then when the date comes and goes, and they are still left, they start to get frustrated. I don't know all of your intentions, but I believe that you too are just feeding people what they want to hear in order for personal monetary gain.

Quit making predictions. And quit making merchandise of God's people!!!

servant of Jesus Christ,

My reply

You are such a kind, humble and tenderhearted servant of Jesus Christ.

I am not in this "for personal monetary gain." Our bankruptcy is final. The judge would not even let us keep the car we had for she said we couldn't afford it. She said it was not in our best interest. If you don't like what I say, then why do you read it? You have control of where you travel on the Internet.

I want to warn Christians to get ready, the coming of the Lord draws near. We don't want to be cut off like the foolish virgins. We must withstand all kinds of testing and stand strong in our faith, ever hoping for our "blessed hope."

I John 3:2,3 says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."

I am not "making predictions." I said that I am not a prophet and that I was hoping for this Pentecost. I am studying the scriptures and trying to figure out what they mean. Can you do any better? If so, why not get your own web page up there for people to see? or would you just rather sit back and order me to "Quit making predictions. And quit making merchandise of God's people!!!" I am not doing either. I am sharing what I think, nothing else. I have the right to free speech, the same as you do.

I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said to publish and conceal not. I am doing what I think the Lord wants me to do. I only want to obey the Lord. I am also trying very hard to keep his commandment.

"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment" (I John 3:23).

When all is said and done, I want to hear, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant" (Mt. 25:21). "For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing" (I Peter 3:17). Agape

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Re: About last night
Dear Mrs. Agee, When your 1998 rapture date proved unsuccessful, I sent you an email the very next day that was critical. I apologize for that. And now, I am sorry if you're disappointed about the 1999 rapture date bearing no fruit. Well, I am writing to urge you not to give up. Should THE DATE be revealed to you, reveal it as it was revealed to you!

I was let down in 1998 but your latest date had my complete attention not because of your reasoning but because of the signs that are going on all around us.

Let's not forget the signs...

The Comet that hit Jupiter in 1994 sometime after we saw Jimmy Carter, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin shaking hands "for peace" on the White House lawn (this opened my eyes)

The Hale-Bopp Comet in 1997 (last seen before the FLOOD..."as in the days of Noah")

The Gamma Ray Burst in January of this year (I believe this was God opening the doors)

The angel visits to the man in the underwater cave, the autistic boy and several others and MY OWN angel visit as well as a sign given to me just last night in the early morning hours of May 23 (The LORD IS COMING SOON!!!)


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Thanks. We have got to stay ready, no matter what. It can't be far off. World conditions tell us that. Agape

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Looks like the Rapture 'aint gonna be today (pardon my colloquialisms); it is past midnight Jerusalem time and May 24th already. I am holding on to my belief it is going to be late this year; sometime in December. It still may be much longer but you will continue faithfullness; and in that case if it is a strange day this year anyway; those in the Spirit will be ready. I hope it is this year; or those who had the angel speak to them (such as the guy in the cave; the autistic kid) will be one step BEYOND the difficulties years ago in 1993 when the angel FELT it would be less than 5 years; for now the angel was said it DEFINATELY will be in 1999. This will make it hard to tell if the angels were excited; for really it would appear demonic in origin then. But you won't catch me off guard; sinning against God accusing anyone before that date. As long as we don't spend too much time calculating guesses; and not focusing on the Lord's work; we'll be ok.

In Him; --- (as usual, making your life difficult)
P.S. Agape love

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I sure hope the Rapture will be before December, like next week maybe, but whenever, I am like you, I don't want to be caught off guard. I am always watching, always hoping. The time is not long, any way you figure it. These are exciting days to live in. The world is going to pot around us, but to balance that out, we have this blessed hope held out in front of us to keep us on the straight and narrow as we race toward the prize. Just think how many generations have not had this chance that we have. Our anticipation will make it all the sweeter when it happens and hope becomes reality. This extra time is giving us more chance to earn rewards too. We may be very glad for the extra time later on. The Lord knows best in every case. Agape

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Its the 23rd and I don't know about you- but I'm still here ! Next year in Jerusalem ? Love in His mighty name

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Could be, but I hope it is before that, maybe while it is still the time of the firstripe grapes, as when they went in to spy out the promised land. That would still agree with Song of Sol. 2:10-14.

Job 7:8-10 says, "For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:) Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?"

Last night, because of an email from David Hill, I looked again at Psa. 77:17f. Today, I looked at it again, also reading the first part of Psa. 77. Verses 2,5, and 10 are interesting. They say, "In the day of my trouble (i.e., suggesting the Tribulation)...I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times....I will remember the years (33.5) of the right hand of the most High (Christ). If we count 33.5 as 34, as the Jews would do, June 5, 1967 + 34 = June 5, 2001. That agrees pretty well with the Tribulation beginning on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. Sivan 7, 5761 is our May 29, the anniversary of Pentecost in 30 AD on both calendars. I feel that we have to be gone before that, also that there is some sort of a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. In Rev. 17:12, the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet." As the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1, all ten kings are crowned. Agape

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I'm sure by now you are totally fatigued from all the dedicated hard work you have been doing, and as the rest of us are somewhat disappointed in the absence of our Lords call. We maintain our faith and great hope,our timing must be off with that of the Lords. It must be soon for so many things seem to all point to the same scenario in time. Have you any further insights to what to do now, this seems alot like last year but i have this inner sense it isnt the same. I pray that God may give you both rest and comfort maybe you should take time out for you and your husband. We are all in His hands anyway, He has just given us more time to get our affairs in order. The Peace of The Lord be upon you. Agape from the Oregon coast.

My reply

I am tired because I have tried so hard to answer as much of my email that I possibly can and post as many Pro and Cons as I could. I am disappointed that the Rapture has not taken place, but am not discouraged. My faith and hope are undimmed. I will continue to watch, search the scriptures and hope.

Wish I knew how many days there were between the Israelites leaving Sinai and sending the spies into the promised land. It was at the time of the firstripe grapes. That still fits into the time slot of Song of Sol. 2:10-14.

Ed is over his cold enough to start walking the mall again. We walked one yesterday and a different one today. He is walking faster and with bigger steps than before. Maybe the rest did him good. He left his cane at Jack In The Box at lunch. We had gotten home before he remembered. Maybe he is getting so he doesn't really need it, huh? He walked to the car without even thinking of it. We had a good laugh, because one other day, his loafer slipped off his foot as he got in the car at this same Jack In The Box. He didn't know it was not on his foot until he stepped out of the car at home. We went back and found his shoe beside the tire of a car that parked where we had been. On the way home the second time today, I asked him if it seemed that we were retracing our steps? He agreed that it sure seemed that way. I'm still laughing about it. Shalom and God bless

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