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May 22.... that would be Pentecost depending on where one was located at that particular time..... there will be signs in the heavens!
Awaiting Our Blessed Hope, Silent Soldier.........
Tuesday, May 25, 1999 Published at 18:15 GMT 19:15 UK New Star in Southern Skies
By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse
A bright new star has exploded into visibility in the southern skies. It is so bright it can be seen with the unaided eye. Astronomers say it is a once in a decade event. Nova Velorum 1999, named after the constellation in which it was found,was detected independently on 22 May by Peter Williams in Australia and Alan Gilmore of Mt John University Observatory in New Zealand.
Ah, I haven't been able to locate it's exact position, however, what I have found will be enough to stir your Rapture happy little hearts (grin). Can you say, "Noah's Ark?" I knew you could.
The Constellation that it is in, is called Vela. This is just a part of the Huge Constellation that we lay astronomers call Argo. As in Jason and the Argonauts. Perhaps we should let Bullinger fill in some of the details.
Whatever fables have gathered round the story there can be no doubt as to its great antiquity. Some think that the story had its origin in name, as well as in fact, from the Ark of Noah and its mysterious journey. All that is clear, when divested of mythic details, is that the sailors in that ship, after all their dangers, and toils, and battles were over, came back victorious to their own shores. the "golden fleece," for which the Argonauts went in search, tells of a treasure that had been Lost. "Jason," the great captain, tells of Him who recovered it from the Serpent, which guarded it with ever-watchful eye, when none else was able to approach it.
This is the return of the great emigrant-ship (Argo) and all its COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS (for this is the meaning of the word ARGO). In Kircher's Egyptian Planisphere ARGO is represented by two galleys (as we have two sheepfolds), whose prows are surmounted by rams' heads; and the stern of one of them ends in a fish's tail. One of the two occupies four segments of the sphere (from Taurus to Virgo), while the other occupies the four from Leo to Capricorn...It will indeed be a large vessel, the true ARGO, with its COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS, "a great multitude which no man can number." All this is indicated by the immense size of the Constellation, as well as by the large number of its stars (64)...Its brightest star alpha (near the keel), is called Canopus or Canobus, which means The Possession of HIM who Cometh. Other star-names, not indentified, are - Sephina, The Multitude or Abundance; Tureis, The Possession; Asmidiska, The Released Who Travel; Soheil (Arabic), The Desired; and Subilon, The Branch.
The part of the constellation that this nova is in, is near to Suhail and Aspidiske. For a more detailed discourse we should have someone who has Seiss's Book. I am pretty sure that I remember Seiss saying that Jason is the same word that Jesus comes from. And he has other intersting comments if I am not mistaken, something about a nova in Argo, or something. I will try and nail this down a little more, but that should do, if I can't find more.
"And The Lord Shall Come With Ten Thousands Of His Saints..."
My reply Wow!!! Thanks. I can add a few details...
The footnote in Bullinger's Witness of the Stars says of JASON, "The Graeco-Judean equivalent of Joshua or Jesus." The Super Nova 1987-A was in the Larger Magellanic Cloud under Argo. Vela means THE SAILS. Another star in Argo is Markab, which means RETURNING FROM AFAR. Argo is gliding backward as if to anchor in a harbor.
Also, take a look at Gen. 17:21: "But my covenant will I establish with Isaac (laughter), which Sarah (THE PRINCESS OF THE MULTITUDE) shall bear unto thee AT THIS SET TIME IN THE NEXT YEAR."
Could that point us to May 31, 1999? It is exactly 365 days after May 31, 1998, and Enoch was 365 when raptured. Noah was in the Ark almost 365 days. It is 10 days after May 22, as the church of Smyrna is to have tribulation, trial, testing 10 days (Rev. 2:10). Also, I think it was 10 days from leaving Sinai to sending the spies into the promised land. That was at the time of firstripe grapes, which time we are in now. The firstripe grapes fits the clues in Song of Solomon 2:10-14.
The Greek Orthodox Pentecost is May 30. If it is kept two days, it would include May 31. I am going to be watching this next Sunday (the old Memorial Day) and Monday (the newer Memorial Day, May 31, 1999). That is a time we think of those that have gone to be with the Lord. Wouldn't it be a great time to see them and the Lord? Maybe the ship is about to dock. This new star is sure calling our attention to the ship....I'm excited.
Incoming Email Well! Although we are still here, things are just getting curiouser and curiouser. Apparently a new supernova was detected on May 22. Maybe coincidence, but maybe not! Here is the URL:
Also, Lyn Mize raises an interesting point. Apparently Jewish tradition states that the high priest could delay Pentecost by exactly one solar month if certain conditions warranted it...
I think that's a long shot, but one thing is certain: we are ONE DAY CLOSER. Please be encouraged. When we are all together with Jesus, nobody will care if there were "false alarms." I will continue to WATCH, as I know you will.
We love you and value your scholarship and encouragement to us all to just keep watching. Maranatha!
My reply Thanks... I had fun looking at several things on astronomy this morning. In Jan. 1998, the "Breakthrough of the Year" was that the Universe was accelerating its expansion. The Supernova Albinoni was found deep in Pegasus Oct. 15, 1998. On Apr. 27, 1999, it was reported that C/1999H1 Lee was discovered 2 weeks previously. Comet Lee began to be visible to northern observers this May. It may not be visible with the naked eye though. I saw a picture of the GRB990510 taken May 11, 1999. It is very far out in the Universe and fading in an unusual way.
The supernova, billed as a bright new star, Nova Velorum 1999, which was named after the edge of space constellation in which it was found, was found on May 22, 1999 (Pentecost), by Peter Williams in Australia and Alan Gilmore of Mt John University Observatory in New Zealand. Both were working independantly of each other.
Vela means THE SAILS. It is in the ship Argo, which means A COMPANY OF TRAVELERS. This ship, likened to Noah's Ark, has a man's face on it just above the waterline and a ram's head on the prow, suggesting Christ. We are a company of travelers who are in the Ark (i.e., are in Christ) and about to arrive at our destination. This ship is backing as if preparing to dock.
These two GRBs, Jan. 23 and May 10, 9999, are not ordinary supernovas, but "hypernovae." This is a term used to show that they are different from the mighty supernovae that pale in comparison. They are BOTH in The Pinwheel galaxy, 25 million light years away from us.
Since the Jan. 23 GRB was in the tip of the spear of Bootes, and the one in May was in the same galaxy, I assume that it was also seen in Bootes, which means HE COMETH. The Hebrew "bo" is translated "he cometh" in Psa. 96:12,13 (NSRB). It says, "Let the field (the world) be joyful, and all that is therein; then shall all the trees of the forest rejoice Before the LORD: for HE COMETH, for HE COMETH to judge the earth (separate the wise from the foolish virgins?); he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with his truth."
These GRBs are truly megablasts in space, explosions a hundred times the violence of any seen previously. In this whole Universe, these two are the most energetic events since the so-called "Big Bang." When calculating these spectacular explosions, astronomers got a shock. "These are two of the most unusual remnants known," said Daniel Wang of the Northwestern University in the US. "They must be from spectacular explosions." NGC5471B was more than 10 times the energy of a supernova and is one of the largest explosion remnants known.
A supernova is a grand spectacle, but a hypernova is something else. It is such a titanic event it is impossible to imagine. A GRB can give off, in just a few seconds, more radiation than everything else in the Universe combined! Astronomers don't have a clue as to why these huge explosions generate so much gamma-ray emission.
Interesting things are going on to draw our eyes to certain parts of the gospel in the stars. Do you remember that there was a new star that caused the wise men to visit the child Jesus? Now, we have another new star. It looks like it is announcing the coming of the Lord in the air.
I have Lyn's article. It is not impossible. They do have to have grain at Firstfruits and Pentecost. I understand Pentecost has to be a spring feast, so it could not be put off farther than the last day of spring.
However, things seem to be stacking up in favor of Sivan 16, 5759 (May 31, 1999). It is exactly 365 days from Sivan 6, 5758 (May 31, 1998) and 10 days from Sivan 6, 1999 (May 21, 1999). Enoch was 365 when raptured. Noah was just about 365 days in the Ark. The church in Smyrna (myrrh, bitterness, Esth. 2:12, being purified 12 months) is told "ye shall have tribulation ten days" (Rev. 2:10). Also, the Israelites went in to spy out the land after the 10 days it took them to go from Sinai to Kadesh-Barnea. They went in at the time of firstripe grapes. We are now in that time and it fits everything in Song of Sol. 2:10-14. If we counted by inclusive reckoning, the target date would be Sivan 15 (May 30, 1998), the Greek Orthodox Pentecost.
> one thing is certain: we are ONE DAY CLOSER. Please be encouraged.
I am not only encouraged, I am excited. "He is so near, He is at the door" (Mt. 24:33, Berkeley Version).
Remember the lady that was getting ready for church on Pentecost, May 31, 1998? She said, "Hello Sister in Yahshua...We are still remaining Faithful to our New walk with Yahvah's son (Yahshua)! Sunday Morning, while I was preparing our clothes for Pentecost services at Church; Our Heavenly Father spoke to my heart! He said, "Not YET; just one more! I instantly knew I was in his presence, and it temporarily stunned and frightened me! I forgot to ask Him one more what? But my soul rejoiced and tears welled up in my eyes instantly!"
Well, it wasn't one more week, month, feast, but it sure could be one more year, May 31, 1998 + 365 days is May 31, 1999. I wrote in the front of my book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed, that I thought I missed the Rapture by one year, that I forgot about Queen Esther being purified 12 months and an engagement being one year to prove the bride a virgin. Maybe that one year will hit it right on the nose. We'll soon know.
Note: Bullinger had the Jason-Jesus tie-in in a footnote. "The Graeco-Judean equivalent of Joshua or Jesus."
Incoming Email > > Tis Strange---This water that flows from the Temple Walls.
> What seems to be so strange?----BASIC
> Every body says that it is a sign of the Last Days. A time when the Twelve
> tribes of Israel shall once again be reinstated.
***Read Ezek. 47:1-12; Zech. 14:8,9; Rev. 22:1,2. I did not expect it this soon, but knew that it was coming in the millennial Day of the Lord. If it is to be in the Millennium, and it has already started, how close we must be. Surely it is a warning of things to come.
***Zech. 14:5-9 says, "and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee (all those of Rev. 5:9 and 7:14, including the 144,000 Israelites). And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea (the Mediterranean), and half of them toward the hinder sea (the Dead Sea): in summer and in winter shall it be."
> And yet, just look at and read all of the Prophecies that are put forth by the Church
> today about these end times. You shall find probably less than 1% of the Gentile
> Churches mentioning the reinstatement of Israel.
***From Marilyn: The reestablishment of Israel in the land is considered the proof of the soon fulfillment of Bible prophecy. I don't know of any sound church that does not mention this and believe that it is of paramount importantance in these last days. We know that every prophecy concerning Israel will come true--every jot and tittle. The ultimate blessing for Israel will come in the millennial Day of the Lord. It starts as this age ends.
> All that they speak about is the safety and salvation of their own selves.
***And of you. If we are not saved, nothing else is going to matter. We were put on this Earth to make a decision for or against the Son of God, the Messiah, Yeshua.
***Job 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? (God) what is his name (YHVH), and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"
***What is is son's name? (YHVHSHUA, Yahwehshua, Yahshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus).
***Because Joshua from the Hebrew is the same as Jesus from the Greek, the English translation of the Greek Septuagint brings out the real meaning of Zech. 3:1-10. This version makes it easy to recognize Jesus for who he really was, God with us. Isa. 7:13,14 says, "Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Mt. 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name, Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." When Mary "brought forth her firstborn son...he called his name JESUS" (Mt. 1:25). Jesus is Yeshua is God with us. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Yeshua is the Branch of YHVH.
Zech. 3:1-10 says, "And the Lord shewed me Jesus the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and the Devil stood on his right hand to resist him...If thou wilt walk in my ways, and take heed to my charges, then shalt thou judge my house: and if thou wilt diligently keep my court, then will I give thee men to walk in the midst of these that stand here. Hear now, Jesus the high priest, thou, and thy neighbors that are sitting before thee: for they are diviners (mowpheth, men who in their persons shadow forth future events), for, behold, I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs)."
***Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
***Isa. 48:12,13 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."
***Isa. 48:16 says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
***De. 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH) our God (Elohim) is one (echad, united) LORD (YHVH)." There is the Lord GOD, his Spirit, and Yeshua. The three are really one.
***Isa. 52:10 says, "The LORD (YHVH) hath made bare his holy arm (YHVH of hosts, Yeshua) in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God."
***Isa. 53 says, "WHO hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD (YHVH of hosts, Yeshua) revealed?...He is despised and rejected of men...Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD (YHVH) hath laid on him (YHVHSHUA, Yahshua, Yeshua) the iniquity of us all....he was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgression of my people was he stricken....he hath poured out his soul unto death; and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
***This man Yeshua, a Jew, the Son of God, born in Bethlehem of a virgin, died in your place, that through faith in him, you might have life. He, and he alone is the shua, salvation, of our YHVH. He is YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer of Israel and the Saviour of us all.
***Without faith in the Son of God, "we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags" (Isa. 64:6), for the Lord hath laid on Him the unrighteousnesses of us all. He paid the death penalty we deserve that we might live. He bought us out of the slave market of sin. We are his and he is ours through faith in his name, Yeshua, Jesus.
***Job 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"
***Who do you personally think is his son's name?
> The reinstatemant of Israel is not even mentioned except perhaps in a few passing instances.
> So what is the concern of the Church. For even in that the waters have started to flow.
>There will be no relationship to that in the Church's salvation. For the Church has totally
> separated themselves from the Twelve tribes of Israel and their Gathering. For they say
> that they "shall be out of here by that time."
***You can shrug that chip off your shoulder. The church is watching Israel intensely. Everything that happens is of interest. Get hold of the size of the mailing lists of news coming out of Israel and you will see. I get two newsletters from Israel all the time. Many others do too. We follow what happens in Israel with the utmost interest.
***You can be "out of here by that time" also. You, personally, do not have to go through Israel's fifth cycle of discipline (Lev. 26:28), even if Israel nationally does have to go through it. Your God is merciful. He has given you a way out. All you have to do is accept the Messiah he sent to save you.
> Go to and read all of these different prophices put forth by the Church.
***The Bible is complete, finished. All the propheces we can put our faith in are in the Bible. Don't put any stock in anything else. Rev. 22:18 says, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book."
> No where therein will you find any dominate reference to the Gathering of the Twelve
> Tribes of Israel. Except perhaps in a passing reference in the context to the Jewish
> religion. And Jew is by no means Israel, the Twelve Tribes, than Christianity is all
> Catholic. Even though, Judaism did come out of Israel, just as all of Christianity
> came out of Catholic.
So to me, it is Strange, this consideration that is given unto this water that is flowing from the Temple Wall. When the Church as such, gives no consideration what so ever to the restoration, the resurrection, the reinstatement of the People, the Nation, the Twelve Tribes of Israel.
***But they do. You must be outside the church to say such. You must not really know what is going on inside the church. You must be assuming that you know.
> The Church has for so long made Torah Void and Israel Desolate. And now in these last
> days, even though the Church will not accept Israel in their own personal way of salvation,
***The only salvation available to anyone is belief in the Messiah, Yeshua.
> and totally forget them in their prophecies. Yet the Church is beginning to accept and
> acknowledge the Prophecies that G-d has set forth for the Gathering of His People. Do
> you suppose that the Church shall perhaps next, begin to accept Torah----Naaaaaaaaa,
> for that would destroy the Church.
***The church accepts Torah. It is Scripture. We just know that salvation is not of the Law, but of Yeshua.
***Gal. 3:24-29 says, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
> KNOW THIS---That the Gentiles are Co-Inheriters with Israel. And in that,
> the Gentiles can not, will not, receive their co-inheritance until the Twelve
> Tribes of Israel stand present to receive their inheritance.
***Look at the parable of the barren fig tree (Israel) in Lu. 13:6-9. As a nation, Israel is not yet showing fruit. She will receive all her promised blessings when she shows fruit. And, the nation will be saved in a day when she brings forth her children (Isa. 66:8). If she would bring forth her children now, she would not have to go through the fifth cycle of discipline (Lev. 26:28). The Lord is watching her now to see if she will bring forth fruit without having to endure the seven years of Tribulation. Oh, that she would turn to the Lord now. It would change the course of history here at the end of this age.
> And that Inheritance mainly is the instilling of G-d's Torah within the Inner Being of
> Each, or as it is more commonly known---the Renewed Covenant. Jer. 31:31
***Jer. 31:30,31 says, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant (a NEW one, not a renewed old one) with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake."
> There shall be no GREAT ESCAPE for any, accept for the 144,000.
***Rev. 5:9 shows a great group "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (including Israel) that are in Heaven before the 144,000 Israelites are mentioned in Rev. 7.
***There is another group, that includes the 144,000, seen in Heaven at the end of the shortened Tribulation (Mt. 24:22). "These are they which came out of great tribulation (3 1/2 years, the last half of the fifth cycle of discipline), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (Yeshua). Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple" (Rev. 7:14,15). This group that appears in Heaven just before the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth are "a great multitude, which no man could number, of ALL NATIONS (including Israel), and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9).
> But that is another story for another time. ANY and ALL who survive, shall in a manner of
> speaking---Go to Hell and Back---and in that, each and everyone shall learn the Glory of
> G-d. To feed the hungry, cloth the naked, shelter the destitute, and comfort the beaten,
> the battered, and the abused. "IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT UNTO THESE, THE LEAST OF MY
> BRETHREN, YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT UNTO ME."
***We should do these things and not neglect the other. This is talking to those that survive Israel's fifth cycle of discipline and go on to live in the millennial Day of the Lord. Doing these things will not gain salvation for you eternally. Accepting Yeshua will give you eternal life.
***John 3:16-18 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
> The Glory of G-d---The Unity, the Equity of any and ALL Mankind without respect. With
> respect to any and ALL Equally.
> Oh Yes, and the Temple can not, will not, be rebuilt until ALL Twelve Tribes of Israel
> stand present.
***There will be a temple there as the seven-year Tribulation (the fifth cycle of discipline) begins. See Rev. 11:1. This is not the Millennial temple however.
> For the Temple is for All of Israel, or at least a remnant of the Twelve Tribes of Israel
> as in the case of the Second Temple, with the Judean people. For the Temple IS NOT the
> ultamite Jewish Synagouge.
> NO MATTER WHAT, FIRST, THERE MUST BE ISRAEL, THE TWELVE TRIBES.
***I expect that the twelve tribes are already represented in Israel today. The Lord knows who they are.
> Until Shiloh Comes
***Shiloh has already come. He is coming again, and it is right after that when the water from the temple will run down to both the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea, which will be healed. The fish in the Dead Sea will be many, as in the Great Sea. Since the water has already begun to run, you know it is not far off.
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