Pro and Con 333

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Re: P&C 332 -- WOW
I visit your site every day, but I had to let you know that for clarity, inspiration and depth, P&C 332 is remarkable. Thank you.

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Gee, thanks. I had to go back and see what I said on that one. :-)

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Would you please email me that web address for the Five Doves site? I have been trying to contact Laura O'Bryant here in Orlando.
She is Gershon Salomon's contact for an upcoming speaking tour he is planning for the USA, in July. I want to ask her about the water on the Temple Mount, if she has any further information. Hoping you and Ed are well. I read today in the Orlando Sentinel about NASA's Mars project. There is a crater from an asteroid impact that, if it had hit Earth, would stretch from the East Coast to the Rocky Mountains. Made me think of the hit on the Day of the Lord, that is coming. Looking forward to seeing His Presence. Lots of love

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I saved the Mars article in our Press-Enterprise today. Very interesting. I think Mars' big troubles happened because of the planet Rahab splitting apart. The article "Red planet is land of extremes" said, "Mars is slightly pear-shaped, with a bulging, mountainous southern hemisphere that is, on average, three miles higher than its northern counterpart, scientists said." The "smooth lowland in the north...may have once been a vast ocean." That Hellas impact basin you're talking about "is thought to be the deepest crater in the solar system."

Ed and I are ok, except my muscles keep cramping and waking me up.

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I thought it was interesting to note that this week's Parashah is NASO. This comes from the Hebrew root word NASA, which basically means the same: to take-up, lift-up.

Also interesting is that this is the Parashah Naso for those outside Israel for the week ending 05-29-99, Sivan 14, and the Parashah Naso for those inside Israel for the week ending 05-22-99, Sivan 7.

Also interesting, although I assume unrelated, is the name of our national space administration, NASA.

Also, wasn't there a 10 day period between Christ's ascension and the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended? Let's see..Christ goes up, Spirit comes down. Christ comes down, we go up. Thank you for your prayers. Agape.

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Thanks. I knew that NASA meant lifted up, but I have never heard of there being a different date for the Sabbath reading for those outside of Israel. Interesting.

Yes, there was a 10-day period between the Ascension and Pentecost. It fits the 10 days of tribulation or trial in Rev. 2:10.

I just happened to see Prov. 7:19 on the page that was open in front of me. It says, "the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come (bo) home at the day APPOINTED."

The constellation name, Bootes, is also from "bo." Both of the huge GRBs, Jan. 23 and May 10, are in The Pinwheel galaxy, so are both in Bootes.

The new star, Nova Velorum, in Argo is is Vela, the sails. It is near the stars Suhail and Aspidiske.

Bullinger has Soheil, THE DESIRED, and Asmidiska, "THE RELEASED WHO TRAVEL. There is a good chance they are these same two stars, but I am not sure.

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Perhaps the 4th Gamma Ray Blast will accure at the moment of the RAPTURE. Maybe the strongest ever recorded; making scientist use it as the explaination for the disapperences!!! Possibly GOD is saying to us through the 4 GRB 's "1,2,3,UP YOU GO" on the 4th GRB, just like a father or mother would say lifting a child off the floor or swinging them up over cracks in a sidewalk !! INTERESTING AT LEAST. LOVE IN CHRIST !

My reply

I don't know about that, but it sure looks like the Lord planned all this about 9 billion years ago, before we existed. He cares about us.

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How can the false prophet make war with the saints if Christ's own are already raptured?

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There are Old Testament saints, Church saints and Tribulation saints. The saints in Rev. 13:7 are evidently the Laodicean foolish virgins and ones who accept Christ during the first half of the Tribulation. The saints in Rev. 12:17 are the Jewish remnant "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." They are saints of the last half of the Tribulation.

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Could you please help me? I am finding it difficult to reconcile the "Bride of Christ" and the "Body of Christ" when I read in Revelation ch21 v 9-...., I find that the Bride and the Lamb's wife are referring to the New Jerusalem coming out of the sky?? When I read in the scriptures about the "Body of Christ" it is always referring to the church. How can we be the "Body of Christ", who is obviously male, and the "Bride of Christ", who is obviously female?? I am very sincere about this and hope you will give me some help.

Thanks for your help and for such a wonderful wealth of information (I have read most of it).

My reply

In the church, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).

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Please explain this from your P&C 330:

He is coming again, and it is right after that when the water from the temple will run down to both the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea, which will be healed. The fish in the Dead Sea will be many, as in the Great Sea. Since the water has already begun to run, you know it is not far off.

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In Eze. 47:1-12, the "waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, and the south side of the altar....These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed...every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh."

Zech 14:8 says, "in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea (Mediterranean), and half of them toward the hinder sea (Dead Sea): in summer and in winter shall it be."

Rev. 22:1 says, "AND he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."

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good friend, maybe we should give up on date setting...i believe we can know a lot more than has been handed down via tradition, but apparently we are missing something i am looking seriously for the Lord during Elul which is an acronymn for my beloved is mine ..." also, Elul is the season of preparation before the feast of trumpets...a time of judgment. take care

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As you probably already know, I am a perennial watcher, as per the Lord's instructions. When he says, "Watch," I watch. :-)

Thanks for telling me what Elul can stand for. I didn't know that. Here is the list from Unger's Bible Handbook, but he doesn't give meanings for them all: Abib (Nisan), "green ears;" Zif (Iyar), "brightness;" Sivan, ?; Tamuz, ?; Ab (Av) "fruitful;" Elul, "good for nothing:" Ethanim (Tishri), "permanent;" Bul (Cheshvan), ?; Chisleu (Kislev), ?; Tebeth (Teveth), ?; Shebat (Shevat), ?; Adar, "fire."

The passage in the Song says that the rain is over and gone. Therefore it seems like it will be a dry month. Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul are the dry months.

However, if Song of Solomon 2:10-14 applies to the Rapture, it seems more likely that it would be the time of the firstripe grapes, late May or early June. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

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Thank you for your encouragement. God IS working. I am having faith in Him, as He said He would take care of widows and fatherless, which is what me and Sterling are. I keep telling people the time is soon. My mother (80) said she prays, and says hail marys, but I told her, forget it, Mary cannot help you. Jesus is the Only way. Love

Rose Hunter,
13531 Detroit Ave.#5/Lakewood,Ohio 44107.

My reply

You are so right. "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

Note: This Christian widow is having a hard time getting together her rent money. Maybe someone that has much could help her out a bit.

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David Hill wrote:
> MJ Agee's reply:
> ...Also, take a look at Gen. 17:21: "But my covenant will I establish with
> Isaac (laughter), which Sarah (THE PRINCESS OF THE MULTITUDE) shall bear
> Could that point us to May 31, 1999? It is exactly 365 days after May
> 31, 1998, and Enoch was 365 when raptured. Noah was in the Ark almost 365 days.

[I was thinking this also. Remember when I wrote and said that, "The Bride has been preparing herself for One Solid Year." I might have been more right than I realized. I looked on the calender for the full moon, and there it was: May 31. The connection was kinda obvious. I was awake in the Kidron Valley all night, so it kinda jumped out at me.

I am not sure which day, but one night, the full moon is going to be in the Scales of Weighing. Also, remember when I talked about 1 Tim, and the verse, "Don't Muzzel the Ox while its treading out the corn." This is occuring Now. The Sun is in Taurus, and the Moon is treading out the Corn. Virgo is the only constellation that mentions Corn, and this would be the orignal time of treading out the corn by the Ox. It is in Virgo for like four days, then into Libra, and finally Scorpio...]

> It is 10 days after May 22, as the church of Smyrna is to have
> tribulation, trial, testing 10 days (Rev. 2:10). Also, I think it was
> 10 days from leaving Sinai to sending the spies into the promised land.

[Yeah, I have been watching our Sister Church in China. I am convinced that this is the Church of Smyrna for the endtimes. This is the Church that Watchman Nee ministered to. Here is a quote I got from Reuters the other day:

"In recent weeks, dozens of dissidents known to be organizing activities to mark the anniversary of the 1989 crackdown have been arrested, drawing protests from pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong, the United States and around the world."

The anniversary would be June 4th. I think that the last ten days of our Brothers and Sisters persecution have already begun. I asked the Father to let them start glowing, shortly before the Rapture, as a Testimony. Those brethren are so close to the Lord now, that it wouldn't surprise me at all. I suspect that we are going to hear more about this later this week...]

> That was at the time of firstripe grapes, which time we are in now. The
> firstripe grapes fits the clues in Song of Solomon 2:10-14.
> The Greek Orthodox Pentecost is May 30. If it is kept two days, it would
> include May 31. I am going to be watching this next Sunday (the old
> Memorial Day) and Monday (the newer Memorial Day, May 31, 1999). That is
> a time we think of those that have gone to be with the Lord. Wouldn't it
> be a great time to see them and the Lord? Maybe the ship is about to
> dock. This new star is sure calling our attention to the ship. More
> details concerning May 31st are on P & C 329 that I just posted. I'm excited.

[Everyday just adds more anticipation. Also MJ, I tried to mail an attachment to you the other day, but it didn't go through. It was the internet Edition of the Jerusalem posts, and their 'official' denial of any knowledge concerning water from the Mount. John posted it on the Doves, and I know you wanted to stay informed. I never heard back from Haartz. So, we have one credible pro, and one con...]

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Yes. I do want to be informed. Thanks so much for your ideas, information and research. The only thing we know is 100% right is Scripture. These other things are very interesting, but some my prove to be genuine signs, others may not. However, if they jibe with Scripture, we can rely on that.

I didn't expect the water this soon. It will be there in the Millennium. But if it is already running, how close must we be? Hope we hear something conclusive on it soon.

These are exciting times. I count it such a priviledge to be living in the time that the Rapture takes place. Just think how many generations did not have this opportunity set before them.

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I heard on KNX1070 Newsradio in Los Angeles yesterday that the world population is expected to reach 6 BILLION by this October. Thats quite a milestone. Do you have any thoughts on it? It's so wonderful having this website to share all our thoughts, questions, and inspirations with people from all over the world. It's awesome!!!! Thank you so much for your tireless work for the Lord. I am looking today, tomorrow, the 31st and always till the trumpet sounds and we can go home to be with our Lord. Agape.

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I can't remember how it goes, but the populations of some other things, Jerusalem, maybe Israel, are reaching figures that also start with 6, all at about the same time. Seems that Dr. Tabor, translator for the Original Bible Project, told me that last year. Since we know the mark of the beast is 666, it makes one wonder.

I'll keep watching too. The weather report said we might have thunderstorms Monday. Makes me think of the thunder at Sinai. Agape

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Not at all discouraged because I know we are really close anyway. Last year I felt a little down after Pentecost came and went, but for some reason I don't feel that this year. I noticed the possibility of May 31 (Monday) on P&C 330 and thought of this:

Lk:17:36: Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mt:24:41: Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Could this indicate the rapture couldn't happen on a Sunday because in more than one place it says:

Lev:23:3: Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

If these people are working it seems to be on a day other than Sunday...possibly Monday! Just a thought.

God bless you and Ed for helping me in my spiritual walk with our Lord Jesus. I really feel love for you and the brothers and sisters who take the time to write you. I've learned so much through your web site. Thank you sister. In his love

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Thanks for your kind words.
> Could this indicate the rapture couldn't happen on a Sunday because in more
> than one place it says:
> Lev:23:3: Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of
> rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein

The Sabbath is Saturday, the 7th day of the week. It is a sign between God and Israel. The first Rapture is largely Gentile.

Two working together and one being taken and the other left seem to show that some people will see the Rapture take place. Also, since two are in bed and others working, it might indicate that the Rapture will happen all at once. One side of the Earth will be having night, the other side day.

Wouldn't it be scary for the person left asleep to wake up and find the other person gone? That might be enough to set them straight, so that they would be included in the second Rapture. Agape

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Tanzania! (Jim Bramlett)
Below is another, confirming angel report received today from Daniel, a young Tanzanian studying in the UK.

(Isn't the Lord absolutely great, to connect His people from all over the world in this way! I am constantly amazed and grateful. May the Lord be praised.)
Thanks for the inspiring "Angel Reports" that you sent me this afternoon. I sat flash-frozen as my eyes rolled through the lines, absolutely incredible.

I am a born-again Christian and I too have been reading the signs of His great coming, although I am not an authority in this field I am however convinced that Christ's return is sooner than we all think. I am a 24 years old Tanzanian currently in the UK for studies. Let me tell you a very small story about my grandmother, it may not be as moving as all the other stories you have heard but it is true to the last dot.

My grandmother was born in 1921. In her youth, in the southern highlands of Tanzania in a region called Mbeya, she became a devout Christian. In those days the move of God was very strong and vivid in Tanzania perhaps more than it is now. She was extremely poor, I mean all manner of poverty you can think of plagued her and her four daughters and son, my dad. Now they had a small subsistence farm that was the backbone of their little family. The positioning of this plot of land was in such a way that people used to walk right in the middle of the farm crossing to access resources on the other side and killing crops in the process. With time a distinct pathway begun to appear in the middle of the farm.

My grandma had an idea to stop this, she collected a lot of bush thorns and in the evening spread them all along the small pathway. These particular bush thorns had very painful spikes and a lot of people got severely injured and got infections, this was because 99.98% of the villagers had no shoes. Now a few days later as grandma was sleeping she was awakened by a very beautiful angel who said "beloved Silimbumi (my grandma's name) I have been sent by the almighty God to ask you why you are bent on hurting His people. Is the safety of your crops worth more to you than that of His people?" After this she was asked to remove all the bushthorns from the pathway, and so the farm was divided into two but it was still hers.

Now in 1996 my grandma was again awakened from her sleep by two angels. This time it was no dream because the angels made sure she was awake. My grandma's health has waned over the years and senility crept in very early in her life to the point that she doesn't even remember who my dad is, her only son. Anyway, these two angels asked her, "Do you want us to take you now or do you want to come with all the saints when the Lord Jesus comes back?"

After thinking about it she said, "I'll wait for my Lord."

Brother Jim, looking at her now I am fully convinced that we are looking at the coming of Jesus very soon. Her physical health has been deteriorating rapidly and she has completely lost all of her memory but amazingly enough she still knows who "Kyala" (or God in Ndali [her language]) is. She is still waiting for Her Lord.

Sorry for my English brother Jim I hope you can still understand it. By the way, my dad who is also a born again Christian related to me almost all of these stories. He is in Tanzania...

God bless you. Daniel

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Just checking to see if this goes through. Your mail box was probably jammed and so mine got sent back. I just felt like sending you an encouraging note, but since, I've read your latest P/C and several people said it better. I think I'm even more excited than ever. The time is HERE! I even was given another opportunity to witness to my son and his wife. God is good. See ya soon! +Love

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Sometimes lately, I have had mail returned. It said sender domain must exist. Maybe my server still has some problems. I resend later and most go through.

I am not discouraged. Every day brings us closer, no matter when it is. This last year sure flew by. I just keep watching and hoping.

Interacting with others is a fun way to study the Bible. I love to get new insight from others and be advised of new happenings. Ed got me on the Internet, and neither of us dreamed of what it would turn into. I used to frequent five libraries and read a lot. Now I am on the Internet instead. It's a good thing for after we moved to Riverside, we left the good libraries behind. I go only once in awhile. I sure got there fast when I heard about the GRB of Jan. 23. But you know what? All I wanted to see was Science magazine, and the branch nearest us didn't even have it. I don't mean that particular issue. They didn't get Science at all. I had to go to the main library to even see that. In Yorba Linda, I always tried to at least look at the Table of Contents of the latest Science magazine no matter what other reason I had to go to the library.

Last night, while waiting to go to sleep, I thought of the Transfiguration. Think of this as if spoken to us today. Mark 9:1-8 says, "Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Isn't that true of us today?

He went on, "And after six days (i.e., after 6000 years) Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John (i.e., the elders) and leadeth them UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART (i.e., Heaven) by themselves: and he was transfigured before them (as in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:13-18)." (Mt. 17:2 adds, "and his face did shine as the sun.") "And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus." Elijah and Moses will come to Earth during the first half of the Tribulation to prophesy.

After the voice out of the cloud said," This is my beloved Son: hear him," verse 8 says, "And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves." That pictures when Jesus stands in Heaven with the seven churches all around him. Only the selected ones will be there. No other men that are not members of the select group will be seen.

Mt. 17:6,7 adds, "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." (In Rev. 1:17, John said, "I fell at his feet as dead.") "And Jesus CAME and TOUCHED THEM, and said, ARISE, and be NOT AFRAID."

Wow! do you suppose Jesus will touch us as he selects us? In Rev. 1:17,18 this same John said, "And he LAID HIS RIGHT HAND UPON ME, saying unto me, FEAR NOT; I am the first and the last; I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. Amen (so be it); and have the keys of hell and of death."

After v. 18, John was told to write. After v. 10, he was also told to write. Verse 10 then adds to the story: "I was (became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day ('one of the days of the Son of man,' Lu. 17:22, i.e., one of the Raptures), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last."

The voice like a trumpet ties in with Rev. 4:1: "Behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER."

This takes us back to Song of Sol. 2:10-14: "RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone" (time for Noah to exit the Ark in a high mountain apart). The time of the singing of the "new song" (Rev. 5:9) has come.

What a book this Bible is. The whole story is broken up in pieces, intricately woven together, here a little and there a little (Isa. 28:9-13), so the wicked won't understand, but we, with the Spirit of Christ's help, can search for the matchmarks, put it together and see the whole picture. The better we know the Bible, the clearer the picture becomes. Soon, we will see Christ face to face.

Eze. 44:5 says, "mark well the ENTERING IN of the house." Verse 17 says, "when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments." The latter part fits with Rev. 19:8: "And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses) of saints." The entering in at the gates leads us to Eze. 41:23: "And the temple and the sanctuary had TWO DOORS" (i.e., two Raptures, two enterings). Eze. 41:2 says, "And the breadth of the door was ten cubits."

This might indicate that both Raptures take place within a ten-year period, 5758 to 5768. That seems in line with 5758 being the 6000th year since man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil. If the Tribulation starts in 5761 (2001), we have to be gone before that.

One other thing I noticed while in Eze. 42. Verse 3 says that there were "three stories." Do you remember how many stories Noah's Ark had? Gen. 6:16 says, "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." I think this is a hint that Paradise is in the third heaven (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn), as Paul found out (II Cor. 12:2).

There seems to be no end to what we can dig out by comparing similar things. The search is exciting.

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