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in our local newspaper this morning, this article appeared: "one of the most famous stars in the southern night sky, Eta Carinae, has suddenly doubled in brightness....."occasionally something happens in astronomy that is so bewildering that it makes astronomers nervous," said Kris Davidson, a University of Minnesota astrophysicist." I looked into this star on the internet; it is in the constellation Carina (in English: keel). Under the section Mythological Background: "the name is derived from the Argo Navis, the ship of the argonauts, of which Carina, the keel, is thought to be a part of." Wow. In His Love

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Thanks loads. This year, we had two huge GRBs in The Pinwheel galaxy in Bootes, from the Hebrew "bo," to come. Those were Jan. 23 and May 10. Then the new star appeared in the sail of the ship Argo on May 22. Now, we have Eta Carinae, in the keel of the ship, doubling in brightness. Wow! Is the Lord trying to tell us something?

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I did some further looking on this star....Carina is south of Vela. And when I looked at another star chart, it appeared south center, between Vela and the star Canopus. What is interesting is, on the site I was looking, there were verses from Isaiah, 40:25 & 26. As far as I know, it is a secular scientific site.

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...I like Isa. 40:25,26. It mentions God stretching out the heavens as a curtain, and as a tent in v. 22. Then 25,26 says, "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. LIFT UP YOUR EYES ON HIGH, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: HE CALLETH THEM ALL BY NAMES by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."

After I got home, I wanted to read a few scriptures in a different version than I had with me at Rehab (NSRB). I grabbed the very literal Concordant Version. Here is Luke 21:11, "There shall be fearful sights besides GREAT SIGNS ALSO FROM HEAVEN." I figure that applied to 66 AD, when the Jews began the revolt which ended in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. There were miraculous signs, according to Josephus, including a star like a cross that hung over the city and a comet seen a whole year.

Then Lu. 21:24,25 says, "Jerusalem shall be trodden by the nations, until the eras of the nations may be fulfilled. And there shall be SIGNS IN THE SUN AND THE MOON AND THE CONSTELLATIONS." I looked up the Greek "astrois," and it does mean constellations. I figure this can apply any time from 1967 on to the Day of God's Wrath. But, then, look at verse 28: "Now AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE OCCURRENCES, unbend and lift up your heads, because YOUR DELIVERANCE IS DRAWING NEAR."

Even if we go to Pentecost in 2000, our "DELIVERANCE IS DRAWING NEAR." That is reassuring, to say the least. And it is possible June 20, 1999, the ASTRONOMIC Pentecost, figured according to the Sun and the Moon as observed from Jerusalem. Wasn't it just last year that they started observing the sliver of the Moon to start their months again? Has anyone been able to find out how that group set the month of Nisan, in 5759, by observation of the sliver of the Moon?

"AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE OCCURRENCES" could be the huge GRB of Jan. 23 in The Pinwheel galaxy in the tip of Bootes' spear. Bootes is from the Hebrew "bo" and means TO COME. May 10, we had the second greatest gamma ray burster--also in The Pinwheel galaxy in the tip of Bootes' spear. Then 120 days after Jan. 23, the new star, Nova Velorum, was seen in May 22 in Vela, the sails of the ship Argo, THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS. It, like the Ark, represents Christ, our Saviour. It even has a man's head at the waterline on the prow and a ram's head on the tip of the prow. Both suggest Christ. If we are in Christ, we are as if in the ship. Now June 3, we learn that Eta Carinae, the keel, has doubled in brightness.

Keep watching, it is getting really interesting. This ship was drawn as if getting ready to dock.

Another thing that interested me in the Concordant Version was Mt. 25:12: "Now subsequently the rest of the virgins also are coming, saying 'Lord! Lord! Open to us!' Yet he, answering, said, 'Verily, I am saying to you, I am not ACQUAINTED with you!'"

Also, I read the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34 (Conc). It says, "...you know that summer is near. Thus you, also, whenever you may be perceiving all these things, know that He is near--at the doors." Think about that. We also need to know that when summer is near, Christ is near--at the doors, which stands for the Raptures. Doesn't that limit the first Rapture to the spring? It sure agrees with Song of Sol. 2:10-14 too.

Israel grew leaves and fulfulled this parable in the Six-Day War of 1967. It ran June 5 through June 10. Summer was nigh.

If the Rapture is on any Pentecost, summer will be nigh. It is a spring festival. If it happens June 20, the next day will be the first day of summer. If it happens Pentecost 2000, Sivan 6/7 is June 9/10. The Astronomic Pentecost is June 11. Summer will be June 21.

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Behavior of star puzzles astronomers
CHICAGO - One of the most famous stars in the southern night sky, Eta Carinae, has suddenly doubled in brightness. Astronomers call the behavior ''puzzling'' but suspect the star may be undergoing a massive eruption, much as it did more than 150 years ago. ''Occasionally something happens in astronomy that is so bewildering that it makes astronomers nervous,'' said Kris Davidson, a University of Minnesota astrophysicist. ''This is weird. We don't understand.'' Eta Carinae has a prominent place in astronomy lore because of its history, its size and what experts believe will eventually happen to it. The star is among the most massive and energetic in the known universe, equal in size to 100 suns. Sometime in the next 10,000 years, astronomers theorize, Eta Carinae will collapse suddenly and then explode. The resulting gamma ray bursts ''might even be hazardous at 7,500 light years,'' the distance to Earth, Davidson said. (from USA today)...

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Thanks for the information.

I have a rather old book, "The Amazing Universe," 1975, put out by the Nat'l Geographic Society. It has a couple of pictures of Eta Carinai. In the first, it is near the center of the Carina nebula, which can be seen with the naked eye. In the second, Eta Carinai had developed it's own small nebula.

This star is located in a nebula thought to be a nursery of new stars and containing some of the bluest, most massive stars in our galaxy. Eta Carinai was an unimpressive star that probably erupted as a nova in 1843. At that time, it blazed and rivaled Sirius for brightness. (Now Canopus is the second brightest star.) After 15 years, it dimmed and disappeared from naked-eye view by 1867. As they watched through telescopes, a smaller nebula was seen slowly developing around the star. Interest in it revived in the late 1960s when Neugebauer and Westphal of California Inst. of Technology found that Eta Carinai was one of the strongest sources of infrared radiation.

I also have "The Star Guide," by Robin Kerrod, 1993. A magnificent picture of the giant variable star Eta Carinai in the glorious Eta Carinae Nebula (NGC3372) is on page 36. Of the constellation Carina, the Keel, page 42, it says, "Eta is one of the more interesting stars, not particularly bright at present, but once as bright as Canopus."

It looks bright to me in the picture, although split by dust bands. If it is twice as bright now, it must look spectacular through a telescope.

Under Vela, the Sails, p. 49, it says, "Kappa and Delta are second-magnitude stars which, along with Iota and Epsilon in Carina, form a noticeable cross-shape, the so-called False Cross."

This is very interesting because of where it is located, in the keel of the ship Argo. Please keep me posted if you see anything else. I looked in the LA Times and the Riverside Press-Enterprise today, June 3, 1999, without finding an article on this...

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I love your site and it has drawn me closer to the lord. I found this article today, and thought it might be of interest to you as another sign in the heavens.
An unusual star that unexpectedly doubled in brightness has astronomers scratching their heads and wondering why. At the American Astronomical Society meeting in Chicago Wednesday astronomers say Eta Carinae, which can be seen in the southern sky, has always been unpredictable but is now the most powerful and luminous object in our part of the galaxy. Agape Love

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Re: Rev. 17:10 / Prophecy -Confirmation!
I have Holy Ghost goosebumps as I write this because I have some information that will help us regarding the person who stated the Father told her there is one more prophecy to be fulfilled... Our preacher is going thru the book of Revelation on Wednesday nights, and last Wednesday we were on ch. 17. I felt the Lord impress upon me to research more on the harlot and the beast she rides (I have a few notes I started on Saturday). Anyway, (on a separate issue) there are two people on a web forum I have taken a doctrinal stand on certain issues with that concerned me, so on the night of 5/30, I prayed for guidance and asked for the proper understanding with them. That night I had a dream, and without going thru it, I will tell you that I received an answer to my concerns-- but also something else. Out of place in the dream was a command of something the Lord wanted me to learn that I believe relates to the bible study I felt the Lord lead me to start on ch. 17. Specifically, I was to learn "how the prime minister of the U.N. is elected and how one is removed from office." I know that for the UN he is called a Secretary General, but in my dream, he was Prime Minister. I don't think the titles are as important as learning the process. I have not had a chance to look into it yet, so if anyone else knows I would be greatly interested in finding out. I hope it is a clue to finding out just what prophecy is left to be fulfilled! In Christ

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Thanks. Strange that my first thought was Rev. 17, but from a different aspect...

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Hi! (From Finland) A few comments on the latest Pro-Con.(334) The first letter is very interesting (The one talking about ´obvious prophecy´).

By now we have read of many dreams and "words", there has been many very credible sounding ones that say things like "when you see this yeat in the coin (1998) you know the time is near" etc. Somehow the ones that say " the Lord comes before 2000" do not "sound" right - why, I can´t exactly tell, but maybe it is that Lord maybe don´t like to use such "points of time" that are man made and evidently wrong. Besides in the Bible there are prophecies with years, but they are anchored in history (future) in a very special manner (not 78 BC or 2000 AD).

Perhaps this word (PC334) is very important. It would be only "reasonable", that an event, easily recognizable by everyone who has read the Bible with open heart, would mark the beginning of "apocalyptic" events, and be a sign to expect rapture immediatedly(or within 7 days). I think all true believers understand it as it comes. He will gather all of the ´little sheepfold` and ensures that they are ready.

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Good to hear from you. This may make us more alert to watch current events to see how they fulfill Bible Prophecy...

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Re: Rev. 17:10 / Prophecy - Confirmation!
I did a little checking and I am getting very excited!

The Security Council is the body in the U.N. that makes all decisions regarding "peace and security" and nominates who the Secretary General will be.  My understanding is this is a very powerful group, and usually whatever they want, they get.  They work very closely with the Secretary General and the SG relies on them a great deal.

The council is made up (currently) of 5 permanent members (U.S.; Britian; France; Russia; China) and 10 elected members of countries that serve two-year terms (named countries vary).  I discovered that they are considering increasing the number of permanent members by 2 to 5 (Germany, Japan or some type of Arab representation that would include Africa seem to be top contenders).  Marilyn, if they add the two additional permanent seats could this be the "seven heads and ten horns???"  It also seems to fit that the ten kings rule with him for "one hour" (short period of time) since these ten only serve a two year term.

There is also something else I was curious about.  In researching this, I saw where the IMF (Int'l Money Financiers?) is made up of the Group of Seven countries (G-7) that basically controls how economys fair in the world (U.S.; Japan; Britian; Canada; Italy; France?- can't remember the rest).  But there also happens to exist alongside it the G-8-- which is made up of the same members as the G-7 but includes Russia too. Their purpose is controlling world politics.  Could this maybe be a connection or dual fulfillment of the "Eighth king that is of the Seven" in Revelation?  If so, it would have to be a leader of one of the original seven countries (not Russia).  This is probably a stretch, but it's interesting anyway.

Hope you and Ed are doing OK.  We're going to be out of here soon, I just know it! Love

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> could this be the "seven heads and ten horns?

Here is the way I see it. In Rev. 17:3, we find "a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." From Rev. 12:3,4,9, we can see that this beast is Satan, the red dragon, whose tail, in Rev. 17:11, is "the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." In 17:8, Satan "was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition." It seems that during the 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent, Satan will be seen of men. Rev. 17:8 continues, "and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they BEHOLD (blepo, see, look at) the beast that was (in a man), and is not (in a man), and yet is."

In 17:9,10, we are shown who the seven heads represent. "And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The seven heads are seven mountains (symbol of kingdoms, or empires), on which the woman (Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth (i.e., at the time of the Rapture). And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (1040 days; 2300 (Dan. 8:14) - 1260 (Rev. 11:3) = 1040, i.e., from Mid-Trib to the Day of God's Wrath, when he is deposed from office).

At the Rapture, the seventh "is not yet come." This seventh king, the FALSE PROPHET, comes into his final position of power Mid-Trib. In Rev. 12:3, the seventh has a crown upon his head. At that time, Satan will be cast out of Heaven down to the Earth (Rev. 12:9). The False Prophet will be Satan-possessed and take over as head of both the world government and the world church. His name is called "Death, and Hell followed with him" (Rev. 6:8). He is the "man of sin...the son of perdition...that Wicked" one "whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" of II Thess. 2:3-8 and Rev. 13:11-18. He is THE ANTICHRIST, and he does not come to full power until the middle of the Tribulation.

People who are looking for him before the Rapture don't understand this. They call the first beast of Rev. 13 the Antichrist, and at the time of the Rapture, the Beast (Rev. 19:20) is the one that is already holding an office (Rev. 13:4-11). However, the man who is to become the final Antichrist in the middle of the Tribulation is revealed after the Rapture has taken place because he will sign the seven-year peace treaty as the Tribulation begins.

THE KINGS AND THEIR KINGDOMS AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE:

Five are fallen, i.e., they are past history
(1) Nimrod of Babel/Babylon I, where this Mystery Religion started
(2) Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon II, the 1st of Dan. 2:37,38; 7:4
(3) Cyrus of Media-Persia, the 2nd of Dan. 7:5
(4) Alexander the Great of Greece, the 3rd of Dan. 2:39: 7:6
(5) Caesars of the Roman Empire, the 4th of Dan. 2:40-43; 7:7; 9:26

One is
(6) The Beast of Ecclesiastic Rome, i.e., the Pope, Rev. 13:4-10; 19:20

"the other" has not yet come (He comes to full power Mid-Trib)
(7) the False Prophet of Babylon III, Rev. 13:11-18; 19:20

"the eighth"
(8) Satan, upon whom they all ride; he "is of the seven," Rev. 17:11

The ten horns are the ten kings of Rev. 17:12, that at the time of the Rapture, "have received NO KINGDOM AS YET, but receive power as kings one hour (the Tribulation 'hour' of trial that 'shall come [future tense] upon all the world,' Rev. 3:10) with the beast.

At the beginning of the Tribulation, It looks like the Tribulation Pope will be elected Secretary General of the United Nations. When he receives that "crown" (Rev. 6:2), he will become the Beast of Revelation 13:4-10; 19:20. At that time, ten sub-regents ("upon his horns ten crowns," Rev. 13:1) will be chosen to help him rule the world.

THE KINGS AND THEIR KINGDOMS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION

Five kings are fallen
(1) Nimrod, Babylon I, Tower of Babel begun
(2) Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon II
(3) Cyrus, Media-Persia
(4) Alexander the Great, Greece
(5) Caesars, Roman Empire

One king is
(6) The Roman Beast, Tribulation Pope, elected head of world government Ten sub-regents (the ten toes of Dan. 2:42,43), one over each of the 10 regions the world has already been divided into, headquarters moved to Babylon III, Zech. 5:5-11, Tower of Babel finished

One king is yet to come Mid-Trib
(7) False Prophet, Babylon III, Tower of Babel destroyed on Day of God's Wrath

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Rapture timing questions
Just thought I would pass this scripture along to you concerning the possible timing of the event we Firstfruit Christians affectionately call the Rapture! I, like you, believe that the season for the Rapture is springtime and also Pentecost. Please look at Micah 7:1-2 and you might see what I see as "Jacob's Trouble" starts in the summertime! So, wouldn't we have to be out of here before that? Interesting on your website concerning the astronomical Pentecost. Could you give me more information about that date? Thanks so much for all of your hard work for the Lord. I'm sure that there a lot of rewards in Heaven for you! God Bless

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I am FWD the Astronomical Chart of the Feasts prepared by a computer program.

I think Micah played the part of a Tribulation saint. I think they will be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets. Sept. 13, 2007. It is summer. That very day is the Day of Jacob's Trouble and the Day of God's Wrath. The Rapture is before the asteroid pieces hit at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

The Pre-Trib Rapture seems to me to have to be in the spring. Song of Sol. 2:10-14 indicates spring. In the Concordant Version of the Bible, Mt. 24:33 says, "...you know that summer is near. Thus YOU, ALSO, whenever you may be perceiving all these things, know that He is near--at the doors" (symbol of the Raptures). It seems to me that summer is near when the first Rapture takes place.

To me, it could be this June 20. Summer begins the next day. If not June 20, I think we probably will have to wait for Pentecost 2000.

Thanks for your kindness. Agape

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We tell you to rest, Marilyn, and then if we don't see a new posting, we immediately start to worry about you and Ed. Are you OK? These are trying days for us all...am praying for you...will send you one interesting thought on this weekend from the Five Doves site...Take Care

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We are fine. These are not trying days for us, they are exciting. In fact, we are rejoicing. Ed exercised 7 days straight, either walking in the mall or going to Cardiac Rehab, all without his cane. That is a milestone. That took a lot of my time, and tired me out. I got some extra sleep. Took some naps and went to bed at 10:00 last night. I UL Pro and Con 335 after 11:00 PM tonight and will try to get 336 up tomorrow night. Look for 336 especially. Eta Carinae, the keel, of the ship Argo has doubled in brightness. It is in our own galaxy.

After Cardiac Rehab today, I got down my Concordant literal version of the Bible. Lu. 21:25 says, "there shall be signs in the sun and the moon and the CONSTELLATIONS." I looked up the Greek "astrois," and it does mean constellations. These signs we are seeing may be leading up to the Rapture. Lu.21:28 says, "Now at the BEGINNING OF THESE OCCURRENCES, unbend and lift up your heads, because YOUR DELIVERANCE IS DRAWING NEAR."

I figure Jan. 23rd's huge GRB was the beginning. It was in Bootes, from the Heb. "bo," to come. Therefore the Rapture IS drawing near. How near, we will have to wait and see. I hope for June 20. If not then, next Pentecost. I think it has to be when "summer is nigh."

Mt. 24:33 (Conc.) says, "...you know that summer is near. Thus you, also, whenever you may be perceiving all these things, know that He is near---at the doors" (symbol of the Raptures).

Big Bear is supposed to get SNOW tonight....Agape

Note: Next day, Fri, June 4. Now I am definitely NOT ok today. Ed had to go to get (fasting) bloodwork done. We then went to breakfast. While eating, I developed such pain in my back, I took 4 Motrin. At home, a couple of hours later, I took 2 Aleve. As soon as I got home, I got on the bed with an ice pack on my back. After reading the paper, I tried sitting here at my computer with another ice pack on my back. I am in such pain, I can hardly sit here.

Later: now, I'm trying heat. I'm going to UL this and go to bed. I should not have said I was fine. I'm supposed to hurt, you know. I didn't do anything to bring this on. I was sitting in a booth eating breakfast.

It did snow at Big Bear. Just saw the photos on TV. Reminds me of Prov. 25:13: "As the cold of SNOW IN THE TIME OF HARVEST, so is a faithful messenger to them that send him: for he refresheth the soul of his masters.

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I have been reading articles about the Pentecost delay until Jun 20th - that the high Priest can do this - do you know WHERE in the world in the scripture this is found? Just curious! Happy to see that you and Ed are back to walkng the mall!!!

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To my knowledge, it isn't found in Scripture. However, I think I agree with June 20. Here is why.

First, someone FWD a chart to me on the Astronomical Calendar. It was the first time I had seen it. I tried the URL to read about it, but it didn't work for me. Today, Fed Ex delivered a 27-page copy of "A Calendar From the Hebrew Scriptures," by Ivan Labombarbe, that someone very nice printed out for me. I just finished reading it. Try this URL:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~labomb32/calendar.html

I have studied the calendar rules now used for the Talmudic Jewish Calendar to the point that I was able to reconstruct that calendar backwards several years from one known calendar year. I know how to calculate the mathematical NYD for any year from the Jewish so-called first NYD. I have also read the scriptures many times. He is right that none of the rules for delays are mentioned in the Bible. Leap years are not mentioned, and the civil New Year Day is not referred to as such.

Gen. 1:14 says, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and FOR SEASONS."

Psa. 104:19 says, "He appointed the moon for SEASONS: the sun knoweth his going down."

If the moon, i.e., the beginning of the month, is for seasons, then Nisan has to start in the spring. He says that it can't be part winter and part spring. The Sacred Calendar was to start with Nisan (Abib, green ears) the year of the Exodus. Therefore, Nisan is the point to reckon from, not the NYD of Tishri. Nisan had to start off the spring season. Since the Lord told Moses which day was the 14th, it was easy to count back and set the first of the month correctly.

Nisan had to coincide with barley in the ear. Therefore, it seems reasonable that Nisan began with the first New Moon after the Spring Equinox. Labombarbe counted the 50 days to Pentecost by starting the day after the weekly Sabbath once barley was in ear at Jerusalem. It came out May 31 in 1998, but June 20 in 1999.

It could be that he is counting the 50 days correctly:
Strong's 7676 is shabbath, intermission, the Sabbath Day. Strong's 7677 is shabbathown, a sabbatism, or special holiday. Shabbath is used in both Lev. 23:3 (the seventh day of the week) and 23:11 ("the morrow after the sabbath"). Shabbathown is not used until verse 24, speaking of the Feast of Trumpets.

I am going to be watching Sunday, June 20, and the preceding ten hours that Jerusalem time precedes California time, just in case.

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