Pro and Con 34, uploaded 11-15-97

Incoming Email

Bill Crowell wrote: Re: Bible Codes and May 31, 1998 I e-mailed you earlier this year that I was very skeptical your date and interpretation of the "no man knoweth the day or the hour" verse. I told you that you were stretching the meaning of this verse, but said that your research was astounding. Well, you almost have me convinced. Let me share why:

When Michael Drosnin published the "Bible Codes" book, I read it and shared with many fellow believers (including my pastor) that the codes were REAL. I am totally convinced that the codes were put there by the Almighty. However, the people I shared with did not believe it or take it seriously. I have given up sharing these codes with other people.

Scientists have said to not interpret the findings of these codes. Marilyn, you are doing just that. How can you help it? The phrases "May 31" and "rapture" were found in Genesis. How can you not get excited about these findings? I definitely AM. If the rapture doesn't happen on this day, then something BIG (start of a war) will. History has proven that major events coincide with dates mentioned in the codes.

I still have a little doubts about "the date". I guess I learned a lesson from those people that listened to the man who wrote "88 reasons why Jesus will come in 1988" and "89 reasons why Jesus will come in 1989". However, that man did not have nearly the amount of evidence that you have derived.

Marilyn, I truly admire your patience with people. You are a modern day Noah. I believe that Noah knew when the time was very close. It takes alot of guts to stand up for your beliefs and not falter, and you are a woman made of the "Right Stuff". I hope God gives you a palace when you enter the gates.

May Gods blessings rain upon you heavily,

My reply

You bring tears to my eyes. Thanks for sharing this with me.

It is exciting to find that Peter Hader found words connected with the Rapture in the ELS (equidistant letter spacing) codes, and all of them were within chapters 30 to 34 in Genesis.

What is nice about this area of Genesis is that it is about Joseph, who is a type of Christ in that he was rejected of his brethren and yet saved his brethren. His being put in the pit and then taken out was very symbolic of death and resurrection, and he saved his brethren after coming up out of the pit. The brothers going back for Benjamin even suggests the second Rapture, the gathering of the Tribulation saints. Joseph's serving his brothers a meal after all were present suggests the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Luke 12:35-37 says, "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselved like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return FROM THE WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."

Rev. 3:20 says to the Laodiceans that get spewed out of the Body of Christ at the first Rapture, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, AND HE WITH ME."

One reason they must open immediately is that a lot is going on in Heaven that day. It is Coronation day. The Marriage of the Lamb follows His receiving his golden crown. Then the Tribulation saints must be gathered quickly for the Judgment Seat of Christ is next on the agenda.

The angels help in this gathering. "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mk. 13:27).

I just realized something that I had not seen before. The Marriage of the Lamb has already taken place. Therefore, those gathered from the uttermost part of Heaven at this particular point in time are not the Bride. The Bride has a special closet. Joel 2:16 shows this: "Let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet."

When the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place after the second Rapture, Joel 2:17 takes place. It says, "Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God." The reason they say to spare thy people is because that is the day the united nations army under Gog attacks Israel. At the Judgment Seat of Christ, both the believers in Heaven receive rewards and the unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards. See Rev. 11:17-19.

Some of these people that pooh pooh the idea of the first Rapture in May of l998 will be certain if the first Rapture takes place that day. They will be the ones that will wash their robes in the blood of Christ and be ready the second time.

I don't want to be dogmatic and say it definitely will happen that day, but it sure looks like the best possibility I can see. Just be sure to be ready now any time. We are getting close any way you look at it.

Noah knew that man had only 120 years before it would rain (Gen. 6:3). He knew when to have the Ark ready. He knew seven days before the rain because the Lord shut the door. He knew it was close before that when the animals started in. "There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah" (Gen. 7:9). We are just about at that point today. Noah was 600 years old and l998 is the 6000th year since Adam left Eden, when man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil.

Are married pairs coming to the realization that they must now get ready? One wonderful pair came all the way from Maryland, if I remember the right state, took Ed and I out to lunch, and said my book had changed their lives. Whether I am right on the button or not, enough signs of the times have come to pass to show us it is not far away. The message is: "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Lu. 21:36).

Does the Ark represent the Bride's "closet"? All the people in the Ark were married.

It is also of interest that Noah Troyer was ill and in a coma, yet stood up 19 times, I think on different days, and said essentially what Gen. 6:3 says, that man had another 120 years. This happened in 1878. It made the newspapers that year. (1878 + 120 = 1998)

Incoming Email

Was glad to see the page up on the Bible codes. As a control test, have you asked for any other date/ event combinations to be looked for, like the second rapture dates or the second coming, or an alternate set of date that might also be appropriate?

My reply

(I FWD the above to Peter Hader, who found the Rapture in the Bible Codes.)

In your new file, you said, "2TH 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? [6] And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. [7] For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. [8] And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

"Notice in this verse the male gender of the one who holds back. Small "h". This is an indication of the body of Christ. He is the head. We are the body. The body is the same gender as the head. The body, the Church is what holds the Lawless one, back. Then it is moved out of the way, so that the evil one can be revealed, come to power in the earth. The Holy Spirit will still be on the earth in order to lead men to salvation, and the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and cannot be removed from anywhere."

This point is well taken. The Holy Spirit/Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ is omnipresent. He is operating in the world through believers now, and he will operate in the world through believers during the Tribulation. Actually, when he takes the Bride of Christ to Heaven at the first Rapture, he will just quit restraining the appearance of the lawless one.

Since Elisha got a double portion of the Holy Spirit because he saw Elijah taken up, those believers who get left behind but who see the Rapture take place may get a double portion also. They will take up the mantle and get to work.

"Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof,. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over" (II Kings 2:12-14).

The Lord showed Elisha that he was still there. He also showed that Elisha too could pass over Jordan, just as the Laodiceans can go to Heaven in the second Rapture. They are not left without hope in this world.

I don't think the Rapture will be as secret as some make it seem. Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently (as the Philadelphians do, Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah acted out), out of the miry clay (out of our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings (the Rapture). And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God (Rev. 5:12,13): MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

If a carnal Christian saw the Rapture and still got left behind, it seems that he would become one of those who are so sure that the scriptures are right that they would be the ones willing to die for their faith during the Tribulation.

Forwarded Incoming Email, Continuation of a previous email exchange between two men, two women and the man who "Decided on Buddhism"

The one who chose Buddhism wrote to the other lady in the exchange:

> > I'm really confused now! You wrote that god could not have created
> > Buddhism. I was under the impression that Christians believed god was the
> > creator of everything? Please explain.
> >
> > Your friend wrote me also but again what I hear sounds more like
> > justifications than rational reasons why god would murder his own son. I
> > mean what's the point of being god, knowing everything and then behaving
> > that way? I really don't see the love you keep talking about.
> >
> > As for my pride, I would be the first to admit I have one, but is that any
> > reason to condemn me to damnation? Sincerely

> > > > Thank you for what I believe to be your genuine concern, still, I have
> > > > always believed that there is nothing to be saved from. My limited
> > > > understanding of the Bible leads me to believe that god will be more
> > > > understanding than his creation, after all he created Buddhism too.

Her reply

> > > > Dear----,   God could not have created Buddhism.  That would be
> > > evidence that God
> > > is confused and the scriptures state that God is not the author of
> > > confusion.  The Holy Bible clearly states that there is salvation in no
> > > other Name than the name of Jesus, Acts 4:12, "Nor is there salvation in
> > > any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by
> > > which we must be saved".  If any other religion is acceptable to God,
> > > other than Christianity, then God did not tell the truth and is
> > > confused.
> > >      Jesus said quite clearly that there is no lie in God and that He
> > > cannot lie.  St. John 14:6  "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the
> > > truth, and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me."
> > > Truth does not change to accommodate us and our theories.  We adapt our
> > > plans and perspectives to agree with truth if we hope to remain in
> > > congruence with God.
> > >    It is amazing to contemplate possible reasons why anyone would care
> > > to reject the claims of Christ.  His gift to us of eternal life in God's
> > > Kingdom of joy and peace comes without price.  Jesus paid it all,
> > > Himself.  We have only to receive in faith that He told the truth,
> > > that He was the son of God, sacrificed for our sins, then resurrected
> > > from the dead and will come again for us.
> > >   That alone is enough to cause one's soul to be saved, in a heartbeat,
> > > for all eternity.  Why would anyone wish to reject an offer such as
> > > that?  The only reason I can think of is pride, in that one does not
> > > wish to admit that he has ever done anything wrong and needs forgiveness
> > > and a Savior.  The Bible tells us very clearly, and from my counseling
> > > with people know that everyone in his heart knows that it is true,
> > > Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
> > >     Followed by Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death but the gift
> > > of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."  This is absolutely a
> > > gift.  Why turn it down?
 
> ...Pride is listed as one of the seven deadly sins in the Bible
> and is one with which I have struggled for years.  It used to be very
> difficult for me to say "I'm sorry" when I had wronged someone but now
> don't have quite as much difficulty as before.   God is helping me.

>    Buddhism is a man-made religion, not inspired by God.
>    The discovery of the Bible codes in the book of Genesis and other
> Hebrew scriptures makes the reality of God's inspiration uncontestable.
> No human intelligence could causes the insertion of the encoded
> material discoverable only through tedious investigation by hand but
> much more readily discovered with the computer.  No human could insert
> all of that information in that material with equidistant letter
> spacing.  If you haven't read about the ELS encoding in the Bible you
> should investigate it.  There are several books out, the first "The
> Bible Code" by Michael Drosnin, a former athiest.  Grant Jefferies has
> authored two books on ELS, "The Signature of God" and another more
> recent one.  I placed a book review about "The Signature of God" in the
> Virtual Church.  In Drosnin's book there are amazing prophecies incoded,
> Hitler, Holacaust, names of Hitler's Henchmen, etc.  He even sent a
> letter to Yitzhak Rabin's concerning the code showing his assination a
> year before the event.  In the "Signature of God" within the first
> paragraph of Genesis encoded are the words "Yeshua is His Name", the
> name of Jesus Christ.  You might like to review these books.  These
> codes only occur in the Hebrew Bible using the traditional writing and
> which is also confirmed using the Dead Sea Scrolls.  The coding cannnot
> be found in other translations of the Bible nor in ANY OTHER religious
> writing.  If you wish to see more you could go to

http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/hader.html

To see the review of "The Signature of God" go to

http://www.virtualchurch.org/signgod.htm

> There are some other good sites on the internet about ELS in the Bible, > such as

http://www.vaxxine.com/compcare/divine.eht

> which is one of the articles listed in the homepage at

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9411/cod27.htm

> Statistical analysis of probility of these codes occurring results > in astronomical numbers as probability that these codes could occur by > chance. They have to be by Divine inspiration since no human could > insert all of those messages encoded and still have a readible, logical > primary document. > If there is a God, and these encoded ELS words indicate that > there is one, then it behooves us to discover just what He desires from > us and follow it since He will hold us accountable for making the > correct decisions, especially those who have had every opportunity to > make the right choice. > You mentioned again the brutality of the cross. It truly was brutal, > but a price that God the Father and Divine Jesus Christ were willing to > pay, just because they love humanity so much. The Bible clearly states > that mankind cannot completely understand the extent of that love. As > omniscient, they knew that Jesus would be resurrected the third day, > just as believing Christians will be resurrected at His coming, to live > with him forever. This was an incredible act of love that we can never > repay. > Of course ritual sacrifice of humans was prohibited both in the Old > and New Testaments as sin covering. Jesus was the only sacrifice > acceptable to God and was necessary for removal of our sins. No human > before or after could ever qualify as the perfect sacrifice for us. He > died in our place, for our sins, to bring us back to God, forgiven and > suitable for fellowship with God. > God bless and lead you in your search for truth.

My reply to the one who chose Buddhism

Christianity is the only religion that makes sense. Please research it deeply. You do not have a lot of time as believers filled with God's Holy Spirit are to be taken to Heaven to escape the terrible things that are coming upon this world. Christ has given you a chance to get off the planet in time. I expect the first Rapture next Pentecost, May 30/31, 1998. Please take him up on his offer. An asteroid is going to impact Earth on the 2300th day of the Tribulation trial that is coming. I think that day is September 13, 2007. It will destroy civilization as we know it. That day is the day I spoke of above (I FWD the first file on this page to him), the day Christ is crowned in Heaven, etc. The asteroid impact is the result of Judgment on the world after all belevers are taken to Heaven in the two Raptures.

In Revelation, Jesus said, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

This asteroid is evidently a binary like Toutatis. It will split apart. A "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" in Revelation 8:8. It hits the Mediterranean. Also, "there fell a great star, "aster," from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10). It will destroy Babylon on the Euphrates. No man will ever walk there again. The smoke will go up forever. Even Egypt will be so hard hit that no one will live there for the next 40 years.

God is the Sovereign of the Universe. He decided that the way men could be saved was by faith in Jesus Christ, and there is no other way. Check it out. Will Buddhism get you what Christ offers? No! There is no salvation there. It will leave you on Earth on September 13, 2007.

What brings about the catastrophe is Gog's army attacking Israel that day. Ezekiel 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains (plural) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground." The men left will be so few that a child could write the number. Even the noise of the impacts will be heard around the Earth.

No one should take a chance on being here that day. Christ offers you a free gift of salvation, eternal life plus being in Heaven on the day of catastrophe on Earth, but you have to exercise your will and accept his offer. Will you do it? You have nothing to lose. What is holding you back?

His reply, FWD to me

At 10:35 AM 11/14/97 -0800, -------- wrote:

"I do not accept the notion of salvation."

One man's reply to the above

Your choice. Sometime in the future, in this life or the next, you will see we were right.

Incoming Email

----- wrote>>The phrases "May 31" and "rapture" were found in Genesis.<<

That's news to me. Fascinating. Can you give me details on this, or where to get it? Do you believe it is a credible finding? Thanks

My reply

That's an easy question, where to get it.

Try "The Rapture In Bible Code?" by Peter Hader at:

http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/hader.html, on my Web page.

These have been found in ELS Bible codes: 6 Sivan, 5758, Shavot, Christian, Ascent, Disappear, Escape, Tribulation, Resurrection, Eternal, Heaven, and Enoch--all within Gen. chapters 30-34 that have to do with Joseph, a type of Christ in that he was despised by his brethren, yet saved them from death.

Yes, I think it is credible. It is ELS spacing. I am skeptical about diagonal and vertical words, but equidistant letter spacing must be generated by God. No man could have done it....

5758 is also interesting in itself. Here is what Perry Stone said, "The Hebrew year 5758 spelled out in Hebrew is an acronym for the phrase 'the season of Noah'. In fact, the last two letters of the Hebrew year 5758 spell the name 'Noah'."

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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