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Would you please clarify the timing of the coming comet/asteroid impacts?

Pat Robertson's book, "The End of the Age", has the Tribulation starting with an asteroid impact off Los Angeles, and not the Pre-Trib Rapture. As you have explained it, the impacts (will be 2 of them) will occur much later.

Also, please clarify your basis for this quote from P&C 342:

"... the day the asteroid impacts Earth and turns it upside down, the days seem to be normal 24-hour days...." Does this mean the earth will change its perceived revolution here on the surface so that sunrise occurs over California instead of the present East Coast?

Thanks as always for your insight.

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Pat Robertson's book is fiction. You can't go by what it says.

The Tribulation doesn't start with the Rapture, and it doesn't start with the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10. The former comes earlier, the latter 2300 days later.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is particularly written for us. It has to do with events that are to take place at the end of this age and the beginning of the Millennium. The script is written as if Jesus is standing at the point we are at today, when the Rapture is at hand. It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly" (22:20). He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:11). His script starts with a Preview of the Rapture, just as our movie directors start with a short clip of coming attractions.

In the Preview in chapter one, the setting is just after the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place. Jesus is revealed as the Almighty, and has the raptured saints all around him in Heaven. "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks (raptured churches) one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire" (1:14). Dan. 7:9 says, I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool." Jesus is both the Almighty and the Son of man.

In Dan. 7:13,14, "ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN the Ancient of days...And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom." In Rev., 1:13 "ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN" is seen. In Rev. 5:2,3, "a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last one in the breastplate)." In other words, he is the first (Lord of the Old Testament) AND the last (Lord of the New Testament). In Rev. 5:6, he is presented as "a Lamb as it had been slain," because he is literally both the first (YHVH) and the last (YHVH of hosts). He is both "the Ancient of days" and the "one like the Son of man." "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

In the Introduction to the Preview of the Rapture, Jesus says, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (before the Rapture), and which is to come (after the Rapture), THE ALMIGHTY" (Rev. 1:8). After the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:9-18, he says, "Fear not; I am the first AND the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore" (1:17,18).

In the Preview of the Rapture, John was caused to act out what will really happen. He was on Patmos, which means mortal, so he was in his mortal body. All of a sudden, he was transported to Heaven. Here are his words describing what happened. "I was (became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice (Christ's), as of a trumpet (the first trump), Saying, I am Alpha AND Omega, the first AND the last" (Rev. 1:9-11). As soon as he turned to see who was speaking, he said, "I saw seven golden candlesticks" (1:12). Those are the seven churches (1:20), and they are around Christ in Heaven, having just been caught up as John was. Jesus "had in his right hand seven stars (the star performers of the churches): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength" (1:16). The sword is to cut off the lukewarm Laodiceans who are appointed their portion with the unbelievers during the shortened Tribulation (Lu. 12:46).

Jesus tells John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture). The rest of the Revelation is organized around this outline.

The seven messages to the churches are before the Rapture. The things which are at the time of the Rapture take place "quickly" in Rev. 4:1. Jesus' voice is the voice like a trumpet that says, "Come up hither." John is immediately in the Spirit and in Heaven. Jesus tells him, "I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER" (after the Rapture).

In Heaven, Jesus takes the "book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals" (the title deed of the Earth), and the raptured group, "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (5:9) sing "a new song, saying, Thou art worthy...and hast (past tense) made US unto our God kings and priests" (5:9,10).

The Raptured group are in Heaven. The Lord has the title deed to the Earth in his hand, and he is about to break the first of its seven seals. The Tribulation begins as he breaks the first seal in Rev. 6.

At that first seal, the Beast, the first one of Rev. 13, comes to full power. By the fourth seal, it is the middle of the Tribulation, and the False Prophet, the second beast of Rev. 13, comes to his full power.

By the sixth seal, "the great day of his wrath is come" (6:17). Just before the seventh seal unleashes God's wrath on unbelievers on Earth, the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place. This is "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (7:9). "These are they which came (past tense) out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God...They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more" (7:9-16).

After the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place, the Tribulation begins. After 2300 days of the Tribulation have taken place, the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place. After the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the seventh seal is broken, the seven trumpet judgments sound and the asteroids impact Earth.

When the first trumpet sounds, a hail of stones and fire hit Earth. "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, Zech. 2:4,5)...And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster; star, asteroid, or meteorite) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:8,10). This latter one destroys Babylon. Rev. 18:20,21 says, "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

We can't take something that happens at the sounding of the second and third trumpets and place it at the breaking of the first seal. The trumpet judgments come out of the seventh seal 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) after the first seal in broken.

It is the same with the attack of Gog's army on Israel. It is on the Day of God's Wrath, the 2300th day. It cannot be before the Pre-Trib Rapture, as some say. On that day, when the mountain burning with fire impacts the Mediterranean Sea, "there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the man that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, as in Eze. 36:31, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30 is seen), and the MOUNTAINS (two asteroids) SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground" (Ezek. 38:20). There will be a worldwide earthquake on that day. The Lord will fight for Israel when they blow the alarm on the silver trumpets.

Nu. 10:2-5 shows that at the first trump, "the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee." This is the Pre-Trib Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18. The patriarchs are 12 of the elders of Rev. 4:4. The apostles are the other 12 elders.

At the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:52), "ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation." This is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It takes place at about the same time as when the alarm is blown because Israel is being attacked as the Day of God's Wrath begins on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.

The two trumps calling the raptured saints to Heaven represent the voice of Christ, "as of a trumpet" (Rev. 1:10; 4:1). They are not the seven trumpet judgments that are sounded by angels. We have to rightly divide the word of truth. The "last trump" calling the Tribulation saints to Heaven is not the seventh trumpet judgment on unbelievers left on Earth. When the seventh trumpet judgment falls on unbelievers, the saints are in Heaven receiving their rewards.

In Rev. 11:15-18, we see that at the seventh trumpet judgment, Christ is King. It is Coronation Day, "and he shall reign for ever and ever." The elders are before him, "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on Coronation Day, first day of the Millennium), and wast (the First Advent), and art TO COME (the Second Advent is still 7 months future, Ezek. 39:12).

We also see that it is the Day of God's Wrath on Earth and the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven. Verse 18 explains it all. It says, "And the nations were angry (attacking Israel), and thy WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the Earth." It all happens in one day.

This starts out being a normal 24-hour day, but because of the asteroids impacting Earth, the Earth gets turned upside down. Isa. 24:1 says, "BEHOLD, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste (Dr. Tabor: lit., twisted its face), and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

This causes Jesus' Long Day, foreshadowed by Joshua's long day. Joshua 10:11 says, "And it came to pass...that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them...and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

"Therefore hath THE CURSE (Zech. 5:3) devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are BURNED, AND FEW MEN LEFT" (Isa. 24:6).

Paul said, "to you who are troubled REST WITH US (in Heaven), when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeace on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (II Thess. 1:7-9).

As for the sunrise that day, it will be at the normal time, for the asteroids impact at noon. However, when the sixth seal is broken, before the seven trumpets sound, already "lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Rev. 6:12). After the asteroid impacts at the second and third trumpets, there will be "thick darkness" (Joel 2:1,2). This globe will be reeling under the impacts. There will be a worldwide earthquake, fire and thick darkness. It is "the king of terrors" (Job 18:14).

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...I have been rather amazed with all the neat things happening in the stars over the past several months, and the last few years. What an incredible time to be alive just to see the hand and finger of G-d at work in the heavens!

I was reading in Acts 28 yesterday, the last part of the Acts, which is interesting as well. Anyway, I was interested in a comment you made regarding chapter 27 where Paul told those on the ship that they had to stay in the ship to be saved. Well, they did, and were, even though they got wet in the process after their boat was ripped apart. Well, they ended catching another boat and, finally, the third boat they sailed in, as I can determine, but definitely the last, was a ship "whose sign was Castor and Pollux." Acts 28:11.

Yes, I know the Romans were steeped in mythology, their gods to them and, these were the twin sons of Jupiter. I looked in my astronomy chart, and sure enough, there are the stars Castor and Pollux, each star representing one of the twins in the constellation Gemini. I am just curious if this has any tie-in. Why would G-d even include the name of the sign of the ship if it wasn't important?

Finally, I pulled out my old, 1971, encyclopedia and looked up the zodiac. I read where the sun is in Gemini from May 21 through June 20. When I first read this I was disbelieving, then not. What a unique coincidence. That is the first day in May we began looking and the last day, June 20. I did read where it noted this date information was obtained from the American Astrological Society. But, I'm curious. We know these are astronomically off by about one month, but were accurate 2000 years ago. So, as always, Satan tries to take some things, facts, etc., and turn them into his creation. So, it is possible the astrologers just took a solid astronomical fact, i.e. the sun being in certain constellations, and twisted it. I thought you might find this interesting.

I am not certain what Gemini's other name is. I looked briefly at Bullinger but, no luck.

Digging for treasures in G-d's Word is so much joy. And, yes, I am now ready to tarry with joy until whenever the Lord returns.

My reply

The twins, Castor and Pollux, were supposed to have sailed with Jason (which means Jesus) in the ship Argo (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS), so there is some connection. However, astrology attempts to twist the truth of the gospel in the stars.

The name of Gemini (THE TWINS) in the ancient Denderah Zodiac is Clusus, or Claustrum Hor (THE PLACE OF HIM WHO COMETH). The Hebrew name is Thaumim (THE UNITED). Castor (RULER, or JUDGE) is also known as Apollo (RULER, or JUDGE). Pollux (WHO COMETH TO LABOUR, or SUFFER) is also known as Hercules (WHO COMETH TO LABOUR, or SUFFER). Other stars are Al Henah (HURT, WOUNDED, or AFFLICTED) and Mebsuta (TREADING UNDER FOOT), Wasat (ESTABLISHED, AS A FOUNDATION, or SET, or APPOINTED TO RULE), Propus (THE BRAND, SPREADING), Al Giauza (THE PALM BRANCH), and Al Dira (THE SEED,or BRANCH). Jesus is the true branch of Yahweh. He has two natures, both man and God, united into one. He is the ruler and the judge. He was afflicted that we might be saved. He is pictured as being with us in the ship, but he is the ship, or Ark, that saves us too. I think that may be why the ship Paul was on was called Castor and Pollux.

I too hope for the Rapture this year. However, if we have to wait until next year, I will still be watching and waiting patiently, as Jesus told us to do.

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Pope plans to arrive in Jerusalem 20 Mar 2000.

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I read your book "Heaven Found", very well done. Another book "A Divine Revelation of hell" by Baxter also pinpoints shemayim (heaven) as a planet, although Mrs Baxter does not specify it.

I don't know if you are "open" to ideas in Apocryphial books, but there is something very interesting in the Book of Enoch: Chapter 33; 3 I saw there heavenly gates opening into heaven; three of them distinctly separated. The northern winds proceeded from them, blowing cold, hail, frost, snow, dew, and rain. 4From one of the gates they blew mildly; but when they blew from the two other gates, it was with violence and force. They blew over the earth strongly. Ch 34,,, 2 From there I went to the extremities of heaven eastwards; where I saw three heavenly gates open to the east, which had smaller gates within them. Through each of these small gates the stars of heaven passed on, and proceeded towards the west by a path which was seen by them, and that at every period of their appearance.

The Book of Enoch goes on to mention gates of heaven; about heavenly bodies & the significance of what gate they appear in and exited through the sky. Solomon's Temple , which was 'patterened after the things in the heavenlies', also served as a calendar generating structure. The appearance of a star, comet, the moon, the sun in a particular Temple gate had impact on human events (history) as well as temporal (time) significance and could be determined by the priest.

Heavenly events ("signs in moon, stars & sun") are of great significance. The Hale-Bopp comet has been calculated as having an orbital period of between 3500-4200 yr. Either number is significant (the uncertainty in the calculations derive from planetary gravitational "tugs" making exact calculations difficult). 3,500 = 50 X 70 seventy jubilees, both numbers are highly significant scripturally. This orbital period of 3,500 yr. harkens back to king David and thus symbolizes the return of the House of David (Yeshua). An orbital period of 4,200 yr. represents it's being here last in the time of NOAH (When the righteous were lifted above---by water {-The Holy Spirit-} and as such represents a type, foreshadow and similitude of the rapture.

The Hale-Bopp comet is also very different from others. If one were to observe our solar system from the side, it would appear somewhat like a set of dishes within dishes (wheels within wheels). Most comets enter & leave the solar system on the same plane as the planets. The Hale Bopp is significantly different in that it entered our solar system from above (from the north & scripture indicates the symbolism of things coming in from the north).

Let's assume that the Hale Bopp was (is) indeed a Divine sign, and that it has great meaning, indeed representing the word of G-d. Then we recall Isaiah 55: 11 "so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it". In late Oct. early Nov. 1999 the Hale-Bopp Comet will intersect the orbital path of Saturn (heaven). So many potentially disruptive phenomena are set for this period (The Leonid meteor showers, y2k, & the peak of the 11 year solar storm / sun spot cycle) that it is difficult to imagine that humanity will pass through this period unscathed.

It appears that the beginning of great tribulation is slated for Nov. 1999.

There is not enough time to go into it here, but I suspect that great events will commence on Rosh Chodesh Av (July 13/14, 1999); Av (abba) also indicating "Father" in Hebrew. I believe great miracles will preceed the rapture. I, like you, believe the rapture will preceed the tribulation period. Keep up your great work. May Ad-nai greatly Bless you and your loved ones.

My reply

I don't put great stock in apocryphal books, but do think we are to have signs in the sun, moon and constellations. I think the Tribulation will begin in 2001.

> In late Oct. early Nov. 1999 the Hale-Bopp Comet will intersect the
> orbital path of Saturn (heaven).

The story of recent comets is getting more interesting all the time. I would like to put together as much information on each as I can. Here is what I have so far. I would appreciate any corrections and/or additions.

1994-Shoemaker-Levy bombarded Jupiter (broke into pieces 7 Jul 1992)
All 21 pieces hit from 16 Jul 1994 to 22 July. July 16/17 was 9 Av, Tisha B'Av. July 22/23 was 15 Av, Tu Be-Av.

1996-Hyakutake-entered our Solar System 29 Jan 1996.
It was closest to Earth on Passover, Nisan 14, 3 Apr 1996. (Hale-Bopp was at the same point in the sky on Passover 1997.) Hyakutake became visible to the naked eye in Bootes (HE COMETH), passed through the sickle Mar. 25. Went through Perseus during a full-moon eclipse on Passover in 1996. Perseus is in Hebrew Peretz, THE BREAKER (i.e., Christ). It appears in Mic. 2:13: "THE BREAKER is gone up before them...Their King is passed on before them, and the LORD at the head of them." In the Denderah Zodiac, his name is Kar Knem (HE WHO FIGHTS AND SUBDUES). Perseus is carrying a sword and the Rosh Satan (HEAD OF SATAN). The Arabians had two names for this head, Al Oneh (THE SUBDUED) and Al Ghoul (THE EVIL SPIRIT). The star in the head, Algol (COMING AND GOING), is called in Hebrew Rosh Satan. Hyakutake went through Rosh Satan. Its path also went between the handle of the Big Dipper (THE GREATER SHEEPFOLD) and Arcturus (HE COMES). I have been told it went through Orion.

1997-Hale-Bopp-entered our Solar System 23 Mar 1997 (14 Adar II, Purim)-was close to Earth 24 Mar 98 on another blood Moon eclipse.
It was at the same point in the sky on Passover 1997 that Hyakutake had been on Passover 1996. Hale-Bopp appeared from Sagittarius. It was in Andromeda during the full-moon eclipse. Looking ahead, Chris Patrick thought it would go through Ophiuchus, Aquila, Cygnus, Andromeda, Perseus, Taurus, Orion and maybe Canis Major and Argo (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS). Hale-Bopp did go through the constellation Ophiuchus, "the Serpent Holder." It did cross Orion. According to the Talmudic sages, a comet crossing Orion signifies great tribulation for the earth. Hale-Bopp did go through Argo. It will intersect the orbital path of Saturn late Oct/early Nov 1999.

Note: Hale-Boppšs closest approach to Earth was on 22 Mar 1998.
Its perihelion crossing caused an electromagnetic exchange with the Sun which sparked off a full halo coronal mass ejection (CME) on 7 Apr 1997.

1998-SOHO 98J1-entered our Solar System 4 May 1998
Passed through both Perseus and Andromeda in the spring of 1998. SOHO passed across the orbit of the Earth on 21 May 1998. Ten days later, on 31 May, the Earth passed across the point where the comet had intersected the orbital path of the Earth. SOHO originated in Pisces Astralis, passed through Perseus in May, went through Alderbaran and Orion, passed Sirius, and made its exit through Argo (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS). The latter half of its course, exactly paralleled the course of Hale-Bopp.

In 1996, Hyakutake was in the constellation of Perseus the Breaker during a full moon eclipse on the Feast of Passover. In 1997, Hale-Bopp was in Andromeda the captive woman and future Bride of Perseus, on a full moon eclipse. In 1998, SOHO passed through both of those other two constellations, in the spring.

Bob Wadsworth discovered that the path of Hyakutake 11 Apr 1996 and the path of the comet Hale-Bopp 11 April 1997, formed an almost perfect right angle in Perseus, in the eye, Algol (THE COMING AND GOING) of the head of Rosh Satan. Algol is considered the most malevolent star of the heavens.

1998, June 1 and 2, the Sun was hit by two pieces of a comet.

1999-Comet Lee (C/1999H1 Lee)-discovered 16 Apr 1999.
Began to be visible to northern observers this May. It is not periodic like Halley's, or long-period like Hale-Bopp. It is coming almost straight into our Solar System from interstellar space. It passed to within 1 degree of the Moon 16 June 1999. Earth will cross through the cometary orbital plane 6 Sept 1999. Near approach will also be 6 Sept 1999.

I am sending a Cc to Bob Wadsworth. He may be able to put the paths of the comets through the constellations in the proper order where I can't, etc.

This story of the comets gets more meaningful when you consider that we had the huge GRB Jan. 23, 1999, in Bootes (HE COMETH), the new star, Nova Velorum, 22 May 1999, in Vela (THE SAILS) of Argo, and the recent surprise doubling in brightness of Eta Carinae (THE KEEL) in the ship Argo (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS).

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FWD: Trouble brewing in Eta Carinae: NASA/GSFC NEWS RELEASE: Posted: June 11, 1999

My reply

Thanks. This is an interesting article. They have recently discovered an inner, cone-shaped nebula that has tripled in brightness since discovered in March 1998. This spawns speculation that "Eta Carinae may have begun a massive eruption like the one in the 1840's that created its stunning dumbbell shaped nebula." In visible light, Eta Carinae is now at its brightest since 1864.

In our galaxy, at about 7,500 light-years from Earth, and with "about 100 times the mass of the Sun, Eta Carinae is a rare luminous blue variable star, a class that includes the brightest and most massive stars in the universe." This type of star is prone to violent displays because of its instability. If an explosion ends the life of this massive star, it is liable to be a hypernova that would produce a GRB that might even be hazardous to the Earth.

Wow! Something is brewing in the keel of the ship Argo. It certainly is getting lots of attention.

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