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I have three questions. Background for my questions:

I have been researching y2k almost every day for a year and a half. I believe y2k is the catalyst for governmental/social chaos that will bring about the new rulers of the world. If I am right, I believe scripture tells us how long the computer chaos will last, or at least the minimum time it could last. The year 2000 problem is a "time" problem, as in 19 and 20 (1999, 2000). After my research there is no question that this "time" problem will paralyze the world. Even if the entire US is totally compliant (which they aren't and won't be), our interdependence on world markets, especially oil, will guarantee a major breakdown. How long? It all depends on the proper interpretation of Daniel 7:7 and especially Daniel 7:25. I have been thinking the antichrist would be the one to take charge of the 2000 problem and straighten out the "time problem" because I thought Daniel 7:25 referred to the antichrist. Now, due to your last Pro/Con, I realize you think Daniel 7:25 refers to the false prophet who takes over 3 and 1/2 yrs. after the antichrist. "And he shall ... wear out the saints of the most High, and think to CHANGE TIMES (fix the world's computer "times" problem) and law (put the world under martial law or some form of it) and they shall be given unto his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3 1/2 yrs.)." Maybe I misunderstood Daniel 7:8. I thought the antichrist plucked out the 3 rulers referred to in this verse but now I see a word I skimmed over. "I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another little horn, BEFORE whom there were three of the first horns, plucked up by the roots...." I thought this meant the antichrist plucked out the rulers (as in they were BEFORE {in the presence of} him and he plucked them out) I must be wrong and it means BEFORE he comes to power these rulers are plucked out. Now if both these verses refer to the false prophet, what verses apply to the antichrist?

Here is the importance of the interpretation:
Daniel 7:8 and Daniel 7:25 refer to the antichrist - the computer "times" problem could be handled and resolved in 2001. Daniel 7:8 and Daniel 7:25 refer to the false prophet - the computer "times" problem is still affecting the world in Nov. 2004. (Just noticed in your book, Exit 2007, chap. 22 is entitled, "Blueprint of Time," and Plate 9, p.268, is entitled, "Time Table of 'End Time' Events."

Are you absolutely sure Daniel 7:25 is speaking of the false prophet and not the antichrist? Do you have an explanation of "he shall...think to change times and laws..."? Thanks

My reply

Here is the way I see it. I think the False Prophet is the final Antichrist. I John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist ('antichristos,' opposite Christ), that denieth the Father and the Son." This, to me, is the Satan-possessed False Prophet. He is the "man of sin" that will sit in the temple "shewing HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD" (II Thess. 2:4). He will be a pseudo-Christ, a pseudo-Messiah, the one Jesus spoke of when he said, "I am come in my Father's name (YHVH, YHVH of hosts, i.e., YHVHSHUA [Yahweh is Saviour], Yahshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus), and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name, him ye will receive" (John 5:43). To me, this "ANOTHER" is THE ANTICHRIST of all time. Jesus Christ is YHVH in the flesh of the Son of God (I Cor. 5:19). This man called "ANOTHER" will be Satan in the flesh of the second beast of Rev. 13:11. Just as Jesus has two comings, so does Satan. "And I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth (Israel); and he had two horns (two comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and in the False Prophet) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake AS A DRAGON" (Satan).

To avoid confusion, I use the Biblical terms used for the two end-time beasts in Rev. 20:10, where the three major players of the Tribulation are mentioned. It says, "And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET (pseudoprophetes, false, spurious, or pseudo prophet) are." The BEAST is the first one in Rev. 13. The FALSE PROPHET is "ANOTHER" that comes to full power as the Satan-possessed beast after the first beast's 1260 days (Rev. 13:5) are up. Between them, Satan and "ANOTHER" have the last 1260 days allotted to them (Rev. 12:6,14).

As the Tribulation begins, "one IS (the BEAST), and the OTHER (the FALSE PROPHET) is not yet come...And the beast (SATAN) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (at the time of the Rapture is not in man), even he is the eighth" (Rev. 17:10,11). Satan will operate after the False Prophet is deposed from office on the Day of God's Wrath.

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the BEAST), whose names are not written in the book of life" (Rev. 13:8). Doesn't that sound like the Tribulation Pope? When "the curse" (the binary asteroid) is brought forth, "it shall enter into the house of the thief (the FALSE PROPHET that steals the established church), and into the house of him (the BEAST) that sweareth FALSELY BY MY NAME" (Zech. 5:4). I think the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility, is the BEAST who "sweareth FALSELY BY MY NAME." Of him, Rev. 13:6 says, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that DWELL IN HEAVEN."

The Pre-Trib Rapture is past when the Tribulation Pope is elected head of the world government. At this point, the raptured ones already "DWELL IN HEAVEN," safely out of his reach.

As the Tribulation begins, the BEAST rises "up out of the sea" (Rev. 13:1). The sea has a double meaning. It means nations (Rev. 17:15), but here, it also means the Mediterranean Sea. The Tribulation Pope rises out of Vatican City (Rev. 17:18), which is in the very obvious leg-and-foot land that sticks out into the Mediterranean Sea. This refers to the legs and feet of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, Rome (Dan. 2:40-43). This leg-and-foot land ties the BEAST to Dan. 7:7. It says, "it had great iron teeth." Iron represents Rome (Dan. 2:40). In the final form, it is ecclesiastical Rome. The Roman Empire died and its power was revived in this form. It "devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it." Power is given the BEAST "over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Rev. 13:7).

I think the Tribulation Pope will be elected head of the world government to try to bring peace to this troubled world. One-worlders have already divided the world into ten divisions (the ten toes). The Pope become Secretary General will rule over all ten, but each of the ten divisions will have its own leader, king, horn. The beast (ecclesiastical Rome) "was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns." When the Tribulation Pope is elected head of world government, the ten kings will be subordinate to him.

In Rev. 13:1, the sixth head of world empires has "ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (seven in all) the name of blasphemy" (Pontifex Maximus, high priest of the Mystery Religion of Babylon, the title used by Nimrod at the Tower of Babel).

Dan. 7:8 says, "I considered the horns (ten subordinate kings), and, behold, there came up AMONG THEM (i.e., among the already existing leaders of the ten divisions of world government) ANOTHER little horn." This is the same as the "ANOTHER" of Rev. 13:11. This is the FALSE PROPHET who becomes Satan possessed when Satan is cast down to Earth Mid-Trib (Rev. 12:9). He is the Wicked one, the "man of sin," the "son of perdition," who sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:3,4).

Dan. 7:24-26 explains, "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise AFTER THEM (he comes to full power Mid-Trib); and he shall be diverse from the first (i.e., he is not the BEAST come back to life, but ANOTHER), and HE SHALL SUBDUE THREE KINGS (maybe as he comes to full power Mid-Trib). And he (the FALSE PROPHET) shall speak great words against the most High (he is Satan possessed Mid-Trib), and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation). But the judgment (Judgment of the Nations after Christ's return) shall sit, and they (the saints, Psa. 149:5-9) shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end" (of Armageddon).

> Are you absolutely sure Daniel 7:25 is speaking of the false prophet
> and not the antichrist? Do you have an explanation of "he
> shall...think to change times and laws..."?

I feel sure that "ANOTHER little horn" (Dan. 7:8) is the Satan-possessed FALSE PROPHET. He is the same as "ANOTHER" in Dan. 7:24 and "ANOTHER" in Rev. 13:11. Satan will be desperate to change times. Otherwise, he has very little time left before his prison sentence is executed. I don't know what he will do, but think it is more serious than the Y2K problem, which will probably be solved as the world goes into the Tribulation's one-world government and their Y2K compliant computer system. We know that Satan will go "to make war with the remnant of her (Israel's) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17).

Here is the progression of these events:
(1) Pre-Trib Rapture
(2) A space of time, maybe the extra year of Lu. 13:6-9
(3) Beginning of the Tribulation
a. Inauguration of Tribulation Pope as supreme head of world government and world church
b. Inauguration of ten regional "kings"
c. Signing of the seven-year peace covenant
(4) Mid-Trib coup when Satan-possessed False Prophet takes over as supreme head of both world government and world church

He will be the religious/political messiah/Antichrist that headquarters his kingdom of this world in Babylon and builds his house on sand (Mt. 7:26; 24:26; Rev. 17:3; Zech 5:11). Zech. 11:15-17 says, "...a foolish shepherd. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land (Israel), which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that LEAVETH THE FLOCK! the sword (Sword of the Lord, flaming sword, the asteroid) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

The BEAST is the rider on the white horse of Rev. 6:1. As the first seal is broken, the Tribulation begins. "And...behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." He parades as a prince of peace.

The FALSE PROPHET is the rider on the pale horse of Rev. 6:8. "and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell (Satan) followed with him. And power was given unto them (both) over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Isa. 28:15-22 sheds light on this DEATH and HELL. It says, "hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with DEATH, and with HELL are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge (the waters, etc., from the mountain burning with fire impacting the Mediterranean) shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD...Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with DEATH shall be disannulled, and your agreement with HELL shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report....For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim ('as the breach of waters,' II Sam. 5:20; 'like the breaking forth of waters,' I Chron. 14:11), he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon (throwing down stones as on Joshua's long day, Josh. 10:10-14), that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act....a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth."

Hab. 2:2-6 seems to speak of the BEAST first, then roll over to the FALSE PROPHET, who "exerciseth all the power of the first beast" (Rev. 13:12), and then end up with Satan. This is the same order as in Rev. 17:10,11. At the time of the Rapture, the BEAST is (i.e., he is the Pope). The OTHER (the FALSE PROPHET) is not yet come, but when he comes, he continues a short space. Satan is the "eighth." He rules after the FALSE PROPHET is deposed from office on the Day of God's Wrath.

Hab.2:2-6 says, "Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time (the Tribulation), but at the end (of this age) it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry (be late). Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him (the BEAST/Tribulation Pope); but the just shall live by his faith. Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home (moves to Babylon), who enlargeth his desure as HELL (Satan), and is as DEATH (the FALSE PROPHET), and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him ALL NATIONS, and heapeth unto him all people: Shall not all these take up a parable against him (the BEAST), and a taunting proverb against him (the FALSE PROPHET), and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his (he is "the thief" of Zech. 5:4)! how long? (till the Day of God's Wrath) and to him (Satan) that ladeth himself with thick clay" (the FALSE PROPHET's body of clay).

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Thanks so much for replying so fully to me recently regarding signs preceding the Rapture. I've just read this comment from someone†to you which recycles the usual stuff that "Jesus doesn't know, so why should you?" and I quote:

"I waited, as I continue to wait, but you have been mistaken. Man cannot know the day and hour of Jesus' arrival. Not even Jesus Himself knows which date and hour He will come ... This is why we can read Mark 13:32-33 as the bible states it, without adding to it whatsoever. "But on that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is."

I thought you'd be interested in this†portion of a study by Lyn Mize. It both blessed me and informed me in how to rebut the above "old favourite". Here it is:

"(Mat 24:42 KJV)† Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Those Christian brothers who denigrate the study of prophecy and watching for the Lord to return take the above Scripture and translate it as follows:

"Do not concern yourselves with Bible prophecy or studying the details of prophecy, for you do not know the day and hour the Lord will return."

They ...are†saying that even Jesus did not know the day and the hour. This is a mistranslation of the following verse:

(Mark 13:32 KJV)† But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

This verse has one slight mistranslation in it. The word for "but" in the last phrase is the following Greek word in Strong's Concordance. Please note that the correct translation of the word is "if not".

1508† ei me (i may); from 1487 and 3361; if not: KJV-- but, except (that), if not, more than, save (only) that, saving, till.

The correct translation of the verse becomes:

(Mark 13:32 Literal)† But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, IF NOT the Father.

(Mark 13:32 Paraphrase) No man knows the day and hour that Jesus will return. The angels in heaven do not know. Even the Son would not know if He was not one with the Father.

The parallel verse in Matthew 24:36 says essentially the same thing. Although not translated in the KJV, it also states "neither the Son", but it adds "if not One with the Father. The Greek word for "one" is "monos" and is translated as "only" as follows:

(Mat 24:36 KJV)† But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

(Mat 24:36 Literal from the Greek) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, IF NOT ONE with the Father.

These two verses clearly state that no man knows the day and hour of the return of Jesus. The angels also do not know. Even Jesus would not know, except for the fact that He is ONE with the Father, and is omniscient. Jesus states that He and the Father are One in the following verse:

(John 10:30 KJV)† I and my Father are one.

It should be clear that none of us knows the day and hour that Jesus will return for his bride. Since we do not know, he commands us to watch, study and pray, so that day will not come on us unawares as stated in the following verses:

(Luke 21:34 KJV)† And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

(1 Th 5:4 KJV)† But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
(1 Th 5:5 KJV)Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
(1 Th 5:6 KJV)†Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."

You may already be aware of†the real meaning of the Greek here. It was quite a revelation to me. Hope it renews a blessing for you. Love in Yeshua

My reply

Thanks. When Jesus said that no man knew, no man did. Jesus was not just a man, either. In his deity, he knew. He planned everything before the world began. He just did not want people to search for time clues too soon. There was one clue missing until the Sign of the End of the Age appeared in 1967.

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David Hill wrote:
For several years now I have been making notes of any astronomical events in the Heavens, and putting them into the front cover of my Bible. I am especially interested in any events that occur on a Jewish Holiday, which would indicate that these are indeed Signs for us. Below is the list as it appears in my Bible. By the way John, I remember your post on the Seven Churches but had forgotten that you mentioned that they were 'doves'. As well, someone (Dieter?) asked about an Astronomy CD, and the best one that I have found would be 'RedShift 2' which allows you to set dates thousands of years ago, and the configuration of the planets.
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SIGNS OF THE TIMES

1) Comet Shoemaker-Levi: On Tisha be Av, July 16, 1994, this comet began its crash into Jupitor. The planet was in the constellation of Virgo, telling us that the time is coming to Judge the Woman who would be Israel proper, and the Church. That there were 21 fragments portrayes the 21 judgements of Revealtion: the first three years would be judgement on the 'church' and the last three years would be judgement on Israel-the time of Jacobs trouble.

2) Comet Hyakutaki: Passover Apr 3rd , 1996, this comet was in the Constellation of Perseus the Hero that frees Andromeda the Captive woman, before she is destroyed by the Whale (world), and takes her home to make her his Bride and Queen. This occured while the comet was at its closet approach, and on the night of a Full Red Lunar Eclipse. This is the first half of the story of the Rapture.

3) Comet Hale-Bopp: Purim Mar 24th, 1997, this comet was in the Constellation of Andromeda the Captive Woman. This perfectly completes the story that Hyakutaki started, one year earlier. This also occured during the comets closest approach, also on another Red Lunar Eclipse. As well, this comet passed through the Constellation of Orion, which the Jews see as a Sign of the end times events that bring the Messiah. These two comets made an X in the Constellation of Perseus, right on the 'head of the enemy' as if, together, they will overthrow the enemy of God.

4) Comet SOHO: Pentecost, May 31, 1998, this comet was in the Constellation of Sirius the Prince. It grew brighter as it passed this star. There was no lunar eclipse, but this comet's closing trajectory parrelled that of Hale-Bopp, amost precisely. It also passed through the Constellations of Perseus and Orion and Argo, connecting it to the first two comets. It is my belief that it represents the male child of Revelation, which would be the offspring of Perseus (Yeshua and Israel) and Andromeda (Church). This is supported by the next Sign.

5) Woman Clothed with Sun: Tabernacles, 1996,1997,1998 and 1999, this Sign of Revelation Chapter 12 has been occuring. I forgot whose web site I got this off of, but they show that the Sign of the Woman, clothed with the Sun and the Moon at her feet, with the Twelve Stars over her head, and the Dragon poised to devour the Child; they show that this Sign has been occuring for these last four years, which just happen to be the years of the above comets that tell of the marriage and offspring. Because of the precession of the equinox, this Sign has never occured before and never will again for another 25,000 years. And it will be perfectly fulfilled on Tabernacles of 1999.

6) Occultation: Israel's Anniversary, May 14, 1998, the Moon occulted both Jupitor and Venus. This is a very rare occurance and last occured in 567 ad. On this recent occultation, Venus and Jupitor were in Pegasus- The Winged Horse that Perseus rides on his Mission of Salvation for Andromeda. And together they ride off into the sunset to be married.

7) Gamma Ray Burst: The Jubilee Anniversary of the Jerusalem Proclamation, Jan 23rd,1999, occured in the tip of the Spear of Bootes the Good Shepherd. Telling us that He is about to stir Himself up to defend His Two Flocks of Israel and the Church, and unite them into One Fold.

8) New Star: Pentecost May 22, 1999, occured in the Sails of Argo, telling us that we are about to enter the Ark through the Holy Spirit, as in the Days of Noah, where the two Flocks will be Sheltered and Protected from the Judgement of the Spearman, as it occurs during the Tribulation. It would appear that the Door is Open. This goes with Adam's coment that the Spring Equinox has moved from Pisces and their Bands (Which represent the restraining of this World by the Holy Spirit. These restraining bands are in the 'hand' of Aries the Ram-Yeshua), and has relocated into the Constellation of Aquarius. This, as I stated, is the only Constellaion in the Heavens, that specifically pictures some type of "Door" in Heaven. This tells us that the 2,000 year work of Restraining the World is over, and that now, the people of God are going to be delivered by being taken up through the Open Door in Heaven, and that subsequent to this, God's Judgement is going to be poured out on this World.

9) Seven Letters: Astronomical Pentecost. Jan 20th, 1999. It is my belief that the Seven Letters portray the Timing of the Rapture, as it is now occuring. It would have started on June 4th when the Moon of Smyrna entered Capricorn; Jupitor of Thyatira and Saturn of Sardis in Aries; Venus of Philidelphia moves through the open door from Gemini into the Fold of Cancer; Mercury moves from the Horns of a Dilema into Eridanus, the River of Judgement, still in Taurus; and the Sun of Ephesus is poised to move from Taurus into Gemini, with Yeshua's words, "I will remove your candlestick from its place." The Sun moves out of Taurus around the 21st of June.

10) Menorah: No Jewish Date (that I know of). The Planets will congregate in the Constellations of Taurus and Aries on May 5th of this year. Many of these could be the fulfillment of the Astronomy of the Seven Letters, which are geared to the Pleidies (The Flock of Doves), which lie in this area.

Note 1: It is to this event that some suppose that Jupitor will be 'lit' up by the Galileo Spacecraft, Heralding the Worlds 'Messiah' as his star. There is a verse in the Word that says that "They changed the Ordiance". This word is originally used of the Planets. The ordinance of the planets is very precise, and to alter it could be catastrophic. It is possible that the Shoemaker-Levy comet (which was visible to the Galileo because it was more then half way to Jupitor) was a warning not to change the Ordinance of Jupitor.

Note 2 : We also have an up and coming Comet Lee for this August and September (as Ruth informed us). This happens to coincide with the Tabernacles Sign of the Woman giving birth. And it also coincides with the Solar Eclipse coming up (as Scott reminded me), which will be visible in Israel.

If you look at all of these Signs, and the Jewish Holidays, and the Constellations involved, they all support the same Signario: The Coming Rapture and Judgement of the Tribulation. And all of them taking together, can hardly be coincidence, and in fact are possible only by the Hand of God.

So, The Signs of the Times are evident, for him who has 'eyes' to see.

My reply

I appreciate your list. You have done better than I have at keeping all these together.

I think the time of Jacob's trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath and the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Dan. 12:1 says, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Some time ago, a friend sent me a letter saying that in August, B.C. 2, there was a massing together of four of the primary planets, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Uranus, in the vicinity of the sun. Astronomers said that was the beginning of a new age.

We are now on the horizon of a new massing of the same planets, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Uranus, plus Saturn and the moon. All will be in the vicinity of the Sunč-a rare event! All seven heavenly bodies will be coming together in a massing of the planets on May 5, 2000.

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