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FROM CAPS: Marilyn, you have mentioned in the past about a ONE year period of preparation that possibly was going on this past year, as in the account of Esther. Yesterday, after sending you the information re the three prophetic words given in p/c 127, while driving home, it struck me that in Exodus 19 there was a TWO DAY period commanded by God for the people to "consecrate and wash" themselves BEFORE God was to "come down on the THIRD DAY". I feel that there is a "prophetic parallel" going on similar to what happened in Exodus 19, which was at the time of Pentecost. As we approached Pentecost 1998, we were expecting to see God "come down" in the Rapture. Instead, we were told by way of prophetic words that "TWO MORE DAYS"---i.e. "GO AGAIN THE THIRD DAY"--(see p/c 127,word # 3)---were to pass before the rapture would occur. This is almost IDENTICAL to Exodus 19 when Israel approached Mt. Sinai. Look at Exodus 19:10,11 " And the Lord said to Moses,'Go to the people and consecrate them TODAY and TOMORROW, and let them WASH their garments, and BE READY BY (KJV says "against") THE THIRD DAY; FOR ON THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN..." The empahsis was that they only had TWO DAYS to get ready and prepare themselves. They were to "be ready" "by" or "against" the third day. That is, when the Third Day starts, they were to have already made themselves ready. Notice Exodus 19:14,15 "So Moses went...and consecrated the people; and they washed their GARMENTS. (This reminds me of what the Laodiceans FAILED to do in Revelation ch. 3) And Moses said to the people 'BE READY BY THE THIRD DAY; DO NOT GO NEAR A WOMAN." This reminds me of the parable or the Ten Virgins. Exodus 19:16 shows that it was "On the morning of the third day" that God descended on Mt. Sinai. This was on the Day of Pentecost in the morning---the same time that the disciples were gathered in Acts ch. 2 on Pentecost and the same time (i.e. morning) that the Two Loaves of Bread were Waved Up !!
I believe our two days consist of:
Pentecost 1998 to Pentecost 1999 ='s DAY ONE---(called "Today" in Exodus 19:10)
Pentecost 1999 to Pentecost 2000 ='s DAY TWO---(called "Tomorrow" in Exodus 19:10)

We are now in the time period of the 2nd Day before reaching the Third Day of Pentecost 2000.


I feel the "TIMES" has reference to the YEARS that must be Completed and the SEASON has reference to the Season of Pentecost which will be Fulfilled, I believe, at Pentecost 2000. God Bless.

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I agree, as you will see when you get the email I sent you.

PS: Things happened to Israel for examples for us upon whom the ends of the ages are come (I Cor. 10:11). Israel was first chosen as the bride when she went to Sinai. Sinai stood for Heaven. Ex. 15:13 says, "Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength UNTO THY HOLY HABITATION." In modern days, this "bride," Israel, received a wake-up call. The UN voted to partition Palestine Nov. 29, 1947. She declared her Independence May 14, 1948, but she fought her actual war of Independence from Nov, 1947 to 1949, when she signed peace treaties with her neighbors and was accepted into the UN on May 11. I forgot that she actually fought in 1947, 1948 and 1949. That pre-shadows the first three years in the parable of the barren fig tree.

I Pet. 3-7 (NIV) is appropriate for us today. Peter said to the elect, "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God's power until THE COMING of the salvation that is READY TO BE REVEALED (apokalupsthenai) IN THE LAST TIME (kairo, set or proper time, due season, i.e., the LAST PENTECOST before the Tribulation begins). In this you greatly rejoice, though now FOR A LITTLE WHILE YOU MAY HAVE HAD TO SUFFER GRIEF IN ALL KINDS OF TRIALS. THESE HAVE COME SO THAT YOUR FAITH...MAY BE PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed" (en apokalupsei Iesou Christou, in the revelation of Jesus Christ, i.e., in the Rapture).

I Pet. 1:13 (KJV) says, "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you AT THE REVELATION (apokalupsei) OF JESUS CHRIST" (i.e., the Rapture).

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(From Finland) According to the web site of "Sky & Telescope Magazine", Comet Lee (C1999H1) is passing through Hydra and moving into Cancer. It is interesting to note Bullinger's comments on these constellations. Hydra represents the serpent, ancient meaning also being "he is abhorred." It lies in the sky beneath Virgo, Leo and Cancer. The brightest star (in the heart of Hydra) is Al Phard (the separated, put away). Others of note are Al Drian (the abhorred) and Minchat Al Sugia (the piercing of the deceiver).

Cancer (the Crab) refers to Messiah's redeemed possession held fast. The brightest star is Klaria (the cattle-fold). In its center is the "Beehive Nebula" Praesepe (a multitude, offspring). The brightest star (in the tail) is Tegmine (holding). In the lower larger claw is Acubene (the sheltering or hiding place). Others of note are Ma'Alaph (assembled thousands) and Al Himarein (kids, or lambs)

Also very interesting in Cancer are 2 stars, one just north of and one just south of the Beehive Nebula, and known as the Northern Ass and the Southern Ass, which Bullinger associates with the tribe of Issachar, which had a tribal flag on which were emblazoned 2 asses. Of particular interest in this regard is the description of Issachar in 1 Chronicles 12:32 as "...the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do...." (AV).

Could all this mean that the serpent, although defeated by the Cross, is about to make a move to harm the Messiah's redeemed possession, but that the sheltered multitudes hidden in the lamb will have knowledge of the times and what should or will be done. Interesting to say the least. Wonder where this comet will go next?

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I appreciate this information.

> Cancer (the Crab) refers to Messiah's redeemed possession held fast. The
> brightest star is Klaria (the cattle-fold)...Ma'Alaph (assembled
> thousands) and Al Himarein (kids, or lambs)

Cancer is interesting. It not only represents the cattle-fold, its decans are Argo (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS), Ursa Major (THE GREATER SHEEPFOLD) and Ursa Minor (THE MINOR SHEEPFOLD). All have a connection with God's ASSEMBLED THOUSANDS. Cancer comes just before Leo, the 12th, and last, sign, which stands for Christ as the Lion (king) of Judah.

I'm not sure what all it may indicate, but whatever else, Satan's head (i.e., the False Prophet) is near. However, so is Leo (Christ), and his front feet are in a defensive position. He will protect us. We are in "the sheltering or hiding place."

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Below from site:

"The Talmud has the following information:
Berachoth 58b - OVER SHOOTING-STARS [ZIKIN]. What are ZIKIN? Samuel said: A comet. Samuel also said: I am as familiar with the paths of heaven as with the streets of Nehardea, with the exception of the comet, about which I am ignorant. There is a tradition that it never passes through the constellation of Orion, for if it did, the world would be destroyed. But we have seen it pass through? - Its brightness passed through, which made it appear as if it passed through itself. R. Huna the son of R. Joshua said: Wilon was torn asunder and rolled up, showing the brightness of Rakia. R. Ashi said: A star was removed from one side of Orion and a companion star appeared on the other side, and people were bewildered and thought the star had crossed over.

So, when Hale-Bopp passes through Orion, the Talmudic sages see this as indicating the destruction of the Earth. Hale-Bopp will pass through Orion starting the day after Pesach (Passover), (April 23, 1997) 5757, during the counting of the Omer, and will complete the transit on Shavuot (Feast of Weeks - June 11, 1997), 5757."

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Thanks a lot. Anyone interested in the paths of the comets Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp should go to Signs in the Sky:
It is very interesting. I had to print it on my Laserwriter to make the gray type black so I could read it easily though.

Hyakutake went through Libra, BOOTES, Ursa Major and Minor (the sheepfolds), Cassiopeia and Perseus.

Hale-Bopp went through Sagittarius, Serpens, Ophiuchus, Aquila, Cygnus, Andromeda, Perseus, Taurus, ORION, Canis Major, and ARGO.

The article shows the meanings of the constellations and stars involved. There is an interesting chart that equates Sivan (May/June), the month of Pentecost, with Gemini, Wheat Harvest and Benjamin.

In "The Zodiac Conspiracy," Christ Patrick said that Gemini "speaks of a uniting of the church to her savior." Benjamin means the son of the right hand. That stands for Christ our Saviour. A Pentecost Rapture fits right in.

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Re: signs in sun and's one in the moon. Check this URL:

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Thanks for the interesting information. It is a good sign in the Moon. When I visited the site, this is what I learned.

Astronomy Now said, "Lunar sodium tail discovered". Boston Univ./American Geophysical Union announced the information June 1, 1999.

At the New Moon, Nov. 18, 1998, researchers found that the moon has a sodium tail that reaches to Earth and beyond, to at least 500,000 miles from the Moon. The tail was seen on the 18th, was stronger on the 19th, and faded some on the 20th. The change was because of the Leonid meteor shower.

Earlier Apollo lunar exploration found that the Moon has a very thin atmosphere caused by evaporation of the surface. It does not build up much because some escapes into space and some falls back on the Moon. However, as the sunlight drives sodium particles from the Moon and they sweep past Earth, our gravity focuses them into a long narrow tail.

Last fall, in the meteor shower of Nov. 17, some micrometeorites crashed into the Moon and liberated sodium from the dusty surface. The sodium tail was then very visible from Earth on the 18th. The micrometeorite produced tail is there at other times, but much fainter.

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Subject: Crowns
...I was just reading your...P&C 243 (WOW!! I remember reading them when they were in the double digits!!!) and I saw the email from the person who wanted to know the differences in duties between the 1st rapture saints and the 2nd rapture saints. You were saying that as far as you can see the 2nd rapture saints were not given crowns. My question is this: what about the message to the church at Smyrna? This is the one that talks about "tribulation ten days", which we equate with the 3 years after rapture 1, + the 7 year this seems to be talking about rapture 2 saints, and it says "be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life. James also talks about the crown of life, James 1:12 says "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." Paul talks about receiving a "crown of righteousness"....that is not for him only but for all those that love His appearing. (2 Tim 4:8) It sounds to me like the 1st rapture saints receive a crown of righteousness and the 2nd rapture saints receive a crown of life. Do you have references that would suggest that the crown of righteousness would be for kings and the crown of life would be for preists? Just some thoughts. I hope your day is a good one. Much Love

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I'll see what I can put together about the crowns. If you find more to add, please let me know. Before I start, let me say this. To believers, Salvation in Christ is a free gift, but there are rewards that can be earned on top of that foundation. I would like to earn a medal for this race I am running. A crown sounds superb. In Rev. 19:12, we see that on Christ's head are "many CROWNS." Let's see what we can earn.

A crown is a symbol of victory and reward. We are tested, and there is the possibility of being "NOT CROWNED."

In II Tim. 2:3-6, Paul said, "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he NOT CROWNED, except he strive lawfully. The husbandman that LABOURETH MUST BE FIRST PARTAKER OF THE FRUITS. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things."

In Rev. 3:10,11, Jesus said, Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (pierasmos, trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall ("hereafter" the Rapture, Rev. 4:1) come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy CROWN."

This crown is given at the Pre-Trib Rapture, but REWARDS are also given at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Rev. 11:18). I Cor. 3:11-15 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's WORK shall be mad manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a REWARD.

In Rev. 4:4, we saw the elders, "and they had on their heads CROWNS OF GOLD." The elders are our representatives. They stand for the entire group caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 5:8-10 says, "the...four and twenty ELDERS fell down before the Lamb...And THEY (the elders) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed US to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION: And hast made US unto our God kings and priests."

THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN, awarded on the Day of Christ, the Rapture

In I Cor. 9:24-27, Paul was running the race to win the prize of the Rapture so as to not be a castaway. To do that he was "temperate in all things" and brought his body "into subjection." To win this "INCORRUPTIBLE" crown, he had to do something more than his initial accepting Christ. He had to be INCORRUPTIBLE and resist the pull of the world, the flesh and the Devil.

In Phil 4:5-9, Paul said, "Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, DO: and the God of peace shall be with you."

In Phil 3:11-14, Paul said, "If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead (happens at the Rapture). NOT AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, EITHER WERE ALREADY PERFECT: BUT I FOLLOW AFTER, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I PRESS TOWARD THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS."

THE CROWN OF REJOICING, awarded on the Day of Christ, the Rapture

This has been called the soul winner's crown. In I Thess. 2:19, Paul said, "For what is our hope, or joy or CROWN OF REJOICING? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? For ye are our glory and joy. In Phil. 4:1, he said, "my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and CROWN, so STAND FAST in the Lord, my dearly beloved." Right now, it is so important for us to encourage each other to "STAND FAST." His coming at the Rapture is near.

In Phil. 2:14-16, Paul said, "Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, WITHOUT REBUKE, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world (as the lamps of the wise virgins); Holding forth the word of life; that I may REJOICE IN THE DAY OF CHRIST (the Rapture), that I have not run in vain (gaining the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN, neither laboured in vain (gaining the CROWN OF REJOICING)."

THE CROWN OF GLORY, awarded on the Day of Christ, the Rapture

I Peter 5:1-10 says, "THE elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder (Rev. 4:4), and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the GLORY that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but BEING ENSAMPLES TO THE FLOCK. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear (at the Rapture), ye shall receive a CROWN OF GLORY that fadeth not away....Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in DUE TIME: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Be sober, BE VIGILANT; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour; Whom RESIST STEDFAST in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal GLORY by Christ Jesus, AFTER THAT YE HAVE SUFFERED A WHILE, MAKE YOU PERFECT, stablish, strengthen, settle you."

THE CROWN OF GLORY of the Millennium

In Isa. 27:13; 28:1-5, there is "WOE to the CROWN OF PRIDE" "in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown." The "drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet." But, "In that day (Christ's Coronation Day, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord) shall the LORD of hosts (Christ) be for a CROWN OF GLORY, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people."

Isa. 62:2-5 speaks of Israel in the Millennium. "Thou shalt also be A CROWN OF GLORY in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken...and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a VIRGIN, so shall thy sons marry thee: and AS THE BRIDEGROOM REJOICETH OVER THE BRIDE, so shall thy God rejoice over thee." Zech. 9:16 says, "And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be AS THE STONES OF A CROWN, lifted up as an ensign (sign) upon his land."

THE GOLDEN CROWN on Christ's head

Rev. 14:14 says, "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a GOLDEN CROWN, and in his hand a sharp sickle." This is the first day of the Millennium, His Coronation Day and the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. "And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped" (14:16).

THE CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, awarded on the Day of Christ, the Rapture

In 2 Tim. 4:7,8, Paul said, "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me AT THAT DAY (the Rapture): and not to me only, but UNTO ALL THEM ALSO THAT LOVE HIS APPEARING."


In Jas. 1:12-27, James said, "Blessed is the man that ENDURETH TEMPTATION: for when he is tried, he shall receive the CROWN OF LIFE, which the Lord hath promised to them that LOVE HIM. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights (lighting the lamps of the virgins), with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD, AND NOT HEARERS ONLY, DECEIVING YOUR OWN SELVES....Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD."

Martyrs earn this crown, whether before or during the Tribulation. Rev. 2:10 says to the church under persecution, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast come of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a CROWN OF LIFE." In Rev. 6:11, the martyrs are all given "white robes."
>> My question is this: what about the message to the church at Smyrna? This is the one that talks about "tribulation ten days", which we equate with the 3 years after rapture 1, + the 7 year this seems to be talking about rapture 2 saints, and it says "be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life. James also talks about the crown of life, James 1:12 says "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." Paul talks about receiving a "crown of righteousness"....that is not for him only but for all those that love His appearing. (2 Tim 4:8) It sounds to me like the 1st rapture saints receive a crown of righteousness and the 2nd rapture saints receive a crown of life.>>

Martyrs do get the crown of life. This crown may be the same as eternal life, which all believers have, or it may be an extra reward. I don't know how to tell for sure.

>>Do you have references that would suggest that the crown of righteousness would be for kings and the crown of life would be for preists?>>

No. Those of the first Rapture are "kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, Green: over) the earth" (Rev. 5:10). These definitely get a crown (Rev. 3:11).

Those of the second Rapture are "before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple" (Rev. 7:15). The Laodiceans are told, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Even so, I see no mention of crowns, unless they are martyrs.

Therefore, I am sure those of the first Rapture get a crown. I am not sure whether those of the second Rapture do or not.

In Lu. 13:24-30, Jesus said, "STRIVE (agonizomai, lit., TO COMPETE FOR A PRIZE) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall NOT BE ABLE. When once the master of the house (Christ) is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are (he can't see their lamp burning brightly?): Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YE WORKERS OF INIQUITY. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and your yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last."

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Re: Add Another to the Growing List of Signs
Luke 21:11: "And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and PESTILENCES; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven" (NKJV).

Cases of deadly hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, first discovered in the Four Corners area of the southwestern United States, have now been identified in 30 states....The number of cases for 1999 may be the largest case count since the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began tracking the disease in the early 90s.

This disease can occur anywhere in North America, and if you live in North America you should stay away from rodents, says C.J. Peters, a researcher at the CDC who has tracked some of the worldıs deadliest infectious diseases including killers like ebola.

...Since scientists discovered the virus in 1993, they have recorded 217 cases of the disease it causes hanta pulmonary syndrome in 30 states. Infected mice are everywhere. Experts say this year is particularly bad because of the weather caused by La Nina.

The CDC reports 18 cases of hantavirus so far in 1999. Of those, nine have died.

...the virus attacks the lungs and makes them fill with fluid. It also attacks the heart and many other organs....even with the best care four in 10 die.

There are very few infections that can move as quickly as this infection ... once the heart and lung problems begin, says Gregory Mertz of the University of New Mexico....

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I appreciate your sending me this. I hadn't realized how much this virus was spreading.

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