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You and Ed ok?
Really missing you and the updated pro & cons.

I don't think we should wait and see if Jesus would like to heal us.

Of course He does. His word teaches us so...In Isaiah 53 we read that He carried everything for us - not so? Healing and health does belong to us. Much, much love

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I appreciate your concern. We are praying and getting better.

We BOTH went out to Jack in the Box for lunch today, so we are doing pretty good now. Dr. had Ed cancel Cardiac Rehab for this week, and we had cancelled last Thursday. It was out of the question at that time. Ed only has two more antibiotic pills to take now.

A couple of days ago, I got a sore throat. Remembering that Ed had one a few days before he got so sick, I took lots of Vit C and Echinacea and stayed in bed one whole day reading. The next day, I felt much better. I got up a bit after 4:00 AM this morning and just made it by 6:00 to get another Pro and Con UL to pe and Xoom. Geocities was bought by Yahoo, so I have to get another password to access that site. It is full anyway. I'll have to take off early Pro and Cons to UL more.

After the UL, I hit the sack and slept till 10:00. I told Ed I was a sleepyhead. He said I must have needed it. That is because I just don't ordinarily do that. Normally, I get up early and stay up late.

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i know you want the rapture to happen asap but... are you equally optimistic that the rapture can happen on rosh hashanah '99 as you are for pentecost 2000? what's your view of optimism that the rapture can happen rosh hashanah '99? and how certain are you that a "day" can also be a double reference to a year? thanks.

My reply

What I want and what I'll get are two different things. The timing of the Rapture was decided before this kosmos, orderly arrangement of things, began. It will come to pass on time, as pre-planned.

I would love for the Rapture to take place on Rosh HaShanah 1999, but I don't think that it will. If Song of Solomon 2:10-14 applies, and I think it does, it says that the winter is past and the rain is over and gone. That lets out Rosh HaShanah, the month of the former rains.

> how certain are you that a "day" can also be a double reference to a year?

In Rev. 2:10, "ye shall have tribulation ten days," the word for days is hemera. It means a period of time, a day, a time, a while, a year. The meaning is to be determined by the context and the rest of Scripture.

When the spies went into the promised land, they stayed 40 days (Nu. 13:25). Israel was punished 40 years for not believing God, a year for each day. Nu. 14:34 says After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years."

Ezek. 4:6 says, "when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year." Judah was given 40 years of probation from the Crucifixion in 30 AD to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

We have to be careful when considering this a possibility. Not all days are years. Mistakes have been made by considering 2300 days as 2300 years, etc.

However, three days in a type could indicate three years at the end of the age. Types are shadows of things to come. They help us understand prophecy.

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From: Jim Bramlett
I sat stunned yesterday afternoon and this morning as I played with the astronomical computer model of the solar system and the newly discovered Comet Lee on the Japanese astronomy Web site http://www.astroarts.com/.

As I click-by-click advanced the progress of the comet forward from today (a neat feature!), I sat in sheer amazement as the comet and the earth gradually moved closer and closer and closer together, until they almost merged -- of all days, on Rosh ha Shannah, September 11, 1999!!! Coincidence? I don't think so. God seems to use comets as warning signs. For example, Jewish-Roman historian Josephus reported a comet hanging over Jerusalem "like a sword" just before the Roman seige and destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

Actually, the closest point may be September 9, but astronomer Greg Killian says that IF there will be an effect upon the earth, it will be September 11. Try it yourself: (1) Go to http://www.astroarts.com, click on (2) comets, then (3) comets in 1999, then (4) Jul 11, Lee, them (5) simulation. Repeatedly click on days or months to watch the movement between now and September 11.

Remember, however, that this is only a two-dimensional display. In three dimension, the comet will be about 77 million miles away, but still not too far, space-wise. In a message from Greg this morning, he said, "The closeness of the comet means that it may be highly visible. This visibility emphasizes the warning nature of a comet. Further, the erratic nature of the comet ensures that we will have a guessing game for a while yet."

So now we have this newly discovered comet at its closest point to the earth on or about Rosh ha Shannah, 1999....

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Hello! I was greatly impacted about your letter on Jesus is comming soon. I have a question for you, could you please inform me about the Jewish calendar, Idid not even know there was a difference. I, also, am interested in any other information you can offer to me. I am a young and hungry man for the word of GOD. Please get back to me as soon as possible.

My reply

Basically, the Talmudic Jewish calendar in use now is lunar solar. The New Moon of Tishri (our Sept./Oct.) starts off the Civil New Year. However, when it gets out of sync with the seasons, a thirteenth month is inserted to keep it aligned with the seasons. There must be barley to harvest on the Feast of Firstfruits in the spring. The months of the Civil Year are Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar, Adar II (only in leap years), Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Av, and Elul. The Sacred Year and Regnal Year starts with Nisan.

The calendar has a 19-year cycle, and, over the 19-year span, agrees almost exactly with our Gregorian solar calendar. It is only off by a very small fraction per century. The 13th month is inserted in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th years of the cycle. Months have 29 or 30 days, alternating, in a Normal Year. Only three months vary in the number of days, Cheshvan, Kislev, and Adar. The count of days from Nisan 1 to Tishri 30 never varies. Years may have 353, 354, 355, 383, 384, or 385 days, called respectively, Deficient (D), Normal (N), Full (F), Deficient Leap (DL), Normal Leap (NL), or Full Leap (FL).

There are a few rules for adjusting the first day of Tishri, but unless you are going to construct the calendar, you probably wouldn't be concerned about them.

In the Bible, when a month is named, and no day number is mentioned, the first of the month is to be assumed. This is because the word for month is the same as for New Moon. The first of the month is the New Moon.

As for other information, there is a ton of it on my Web site. Read it and email me when you have questions.

Read your Bible. Start with the book of John and read to the end of the New Testament. John wrote to prove that Jesus is God. The rest of the NT up to the last book shows you how to walk the Christian walk. The last book, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, is a book of future prophecy. We are very near the time that those prophecies will be fulfilled. It is an outline into which Old Testament prophecies can be placed to keep them in chronological order. After that, start with Isaiah in the OT and read to where you started with John. That will give you most of the end-time prophecies to flesh out the outline given in Revelation. After that, start with Genesis and read to Isaiah. As you read the history of the Israelites, think of the prophecies you have read. The history that has been recorded in the Bible is to help us understand prophecy. They played out little dramatic skits. There are many shadows of things to come. Some prophecies have a double fulfillment. The early one helps us understand the one that is still future. You should read the prophecies before starting in Genesis. You will get much more out of the history of Israel this way.

I know. When I first picked up the Bible to read it, I started in Genesis. I quit reading either in the begats or in Leviticus four times. Only when I started with the New Testament first could I read the whole thing straight through, cover to cover. I now know how to read it, but no one had told me that when I first tried to read it. I had to find it out the hard way.

The more you know about the Bible as a whole, the more you can get out of one passage. Only God could have packed so much information into such a small book. It truly is God breathed. One couldn't find out everything in a lifetime. There is always something new to understand. It gets hold of you and won't let go. It is fascinating, like working a puzzle. It is here a piece and there a piece. Figure out how they fit together and you have a bigger picture than before. The more you know, the more you can know. There is no end to what you can figure out.

I have studied many subjects, but the Bible is by far the most interesting and compelling. It is also the only rock-hard truth we have to go by.

The coming of the Lord for the Bride of Christ is drawing near. We need to be sure we have accepted Christ. Rom. 10:9 shows us how. We also need to be sure we keep all sins (that we have committed since we first accepted Christ as our own personal Saviour) confessed (as per I John 1:9), so we are ready when he comes.

I have also written three books...

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FWD: FROM CAPS. Here is some interesting information regarding the "third day". God Bless.

Resurrection and the Third Day, By Bob Schlenker...

While it should be no surprise to any of us that our Lord Jesus Christ - Y'shua HaMashiach was raised from the dead on the third day, the extent to which resurrection is associated with the third day certainly surprised me as I began to study the matter more deeply. In fact, the correlation between the subject of resurrection and the third in a series is so prominent in the Bible I can hardly believe it has been overlooked! As I researched the matter, drawing upon my knowledge base of prophetic symbolism, everywhere I found a reference to the third day (or to the third occurrence in a series) I noted either an obvious or a veiled reference to resurrection....The connection actually relates more fundamentally to the number three itself...

The Purification Ritual
...I'd like to show you how the the third and the seventh days are very specially bound together in the context of resurrection. A close look at the purification ritual will afford us some rare insight.

Whoever touches the dead body of anyone will be unclean for seven days. 12 He must purify himself with the water on the third day and on the seventh day; then he will be clean. But if he does not purify himself on the third and seventh days, he will not be clean. 13 Whoever touches the dead body of anyone and fails to purify himself defiles the Lord's tabernacle. That person must be cut off from Israel. Because the water of cleansing has not been sprinkled on him, he is unclean; his uncleanness remains on him. Numbers 19:11-13

The man who is clean is to sprinkle the unclean person on the third and seventh days, and on the seventh day he is to purify him. The person being cleansed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and that evening he will be clean. Numbers 19:19

The above mentioned purifying water is a symbol of resurrection. Since the problem for which this purification ritual is the solution is contact with dead bodies, contact with "resurrection" makes a lot of sense! This water was actually mixed with special ashes, made in accordance with the following verse. Each of the seven items distinctly listed as being burned are shadows of The One who was the ultimate burnt sacrifice, sacrificed to make cleanse us wholly.

While he watches, the heifer is to be burned--its hide, flesh, blood and offal. 6 The priest is to take some cedar wood, hyssop and scarlet wool and throw them onto the burning heifer. Numbers 19:5-6 Ashes are what remains after something has been entirely burned, and, like dust, represent the sum and substance of the flesh. Consider the following verses in this regard. (See also Jeremiah 17:13 and John 4:10) the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Then Abraham spoke up again: 'Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,' Genesis 18:27

The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. {7} The LORD sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts. {8} He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. I Samuel 2:6-8a As a general symbol then, ashes represent the humble status of the flesh, wherein dwells no "real" life. The ashes require water as a symbol of resurrection just as the dry bones of Israel in Ezekiel 37 require "breath" (ruwach) to come to life. The addition of fresh water to the ashes of the burnt sacrifice is a symbol of the resurrection of Y'shua.

For the unclean person, put some ashes from the burned purification offering into a jar and pour fresh water over them. Numbers 19:17 This is the "water" that must be applied to others, serving to identify them with Y'shua in his death and resurrection - a matter very similar to baptism. This symbolic resurrection ritual must be done for the unclean person on both the third and seventh days.

So, in this purification ritual we have a clear correlation between resurrection and the third and seventh days!...our Lord's resurrection. His rising on the third day established the pattern for every resurrection.

* The resurrection event and its timing was prophesied by our Lord before his death.

We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life! Matthew 20:18-19 This was prophesied even earlier as our Lord compared his fate to Jonah's.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40 And of course, this happened in exactly that way, being confirmed by witnesses. but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen--by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. Acts 10:40-41

We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. Acts 10:39-40 ...After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. Hosea 6:2...

* In the following third day scenario, the resurrection theme can be noted in three ways. Perhaps most obviously, people led out of the camp by Moses (a type of Y'shua as the deliverer, whose name means, "drawing out") to meet with God is a resurrection type. To stand at the foot of the mountain is to be on the threshold of the heavenly kingdom.3 Also, the blowing of the trumpet is itself a vivid resurrection symbol.

On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. 17 Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Exodus 19:16-17...

* This next third day scenario pictures Esther as the Bride, coming into the King's presence as a type of the Bride Theft resurrection. Esther's putting on royal robes is another resurrection symbol.

On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the palace, in front of the king's hall. The king was sitting on his royal throne in the hall, facing the entrance. Esther 5:1...

Next, the resurrection theme is seen in connection with the feast for all Pharaoh's officials.

Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday, and he gave a feast for all his officials (Hebrew: ebed - "servants"). He lifted up the heads of the chief cupbearer and the chief baker in the presence of his officials: 21 He restored the chief cupbearer to his position, so that he once again put the cup into Pharaoh's hand, 22 but he hanged the chief baker, just as Joseph had said to them in his interpretation. Genesis 40:20-22 As a feast or banquet accompanies a resurrection, so does judgment, the execution of a judicial decision, seen here as one man is restored, and the other is hanged. Resurrection is further noted in the cupbearer's and chief baker's release from prison, like as noted in the previous scenario (see context).

* In the following third day scenario, the resurrection is in view as Hezekiah receives the promise that on the third day, he will go up to the house of the Lord.

And it came about before Isaiah had gone out of the middle court, that the word of the LORD came to him, saying, 5 "Return and say to Hezekiah the leader of My people, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of your father David, "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the LORD....

* The wedding analogy is such a commonly recognized resurrection theme, seen in connection with the third day in the following verse.

On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee....

* Abraham's looking up and seeing the place in the distance signifies his view of a distant future resurrection.

On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. Genesis 22:4...

This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead. John 21:14

* And, what more needs to be said about the following? Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried to the LORD, "O LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!" 1 Kings 17:21

...The resurrection is evidenced as the large sheet containing the previously unclean animals representing the largely Gentile church was pulled up to heaven the third time. Note also that the number of men sent to Peter is the resurrection number.

"I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' 8 "I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.' 9 "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again. 11 "Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. Acts 11:5-11

*Interestingly, this next account makes obvious resurrection connection by means of the location from which he fell - from the third story.

Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10 Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "He's alive!" Acts 20:9-10 Beyond this sampling of passages, there are numerous other examples of the link between the number three and resurrection. For example, there were three people Jesus raised from the dead during his earthly ministry ( Luke 7:15, 8:41-55, John 11:43-44) and three people raised from the dead in the Old Testament. (I Kings 17:21-22, II Kings 4:16-36 and 13:21)...

Conclusion

It seems quite obvious that the appearance of phrases like "third day' and "third time" or "three times" signals the presence of a resurrection scenario. The connection between the third and seventh days is also apparent. We have also seen various levels of application where a day may be either a year or a millennium. That the floodgates of insight into the meaning of the fundamentals of prophecy are opening is manifest - praise the Lord who reveals his wonders to his servants!

As the awareness of just how special a time it is in which we live begins to move us emotionally, the knowledge of the urgency of our times and of the necessity of dedicating our very best gifts into the Lord's service prompts us to act with immediacy. Surely, the Lord is unveiling his mysteries in these last days in preparation for the rapidly approaching time of testing. Wake up and pay close attention, friends! Let me encourage you to pour out your life for His glory without hesitation. He did it and continues to do it so that you may share in his surpassing glory! Shalom....

My reply

I have been looking up third day passages too. Here is what I have written. Some of it overlaps what Bob said.

Was Heaven's door thrown open on Pentecost 1998? Has Jesus been standing at the door watching us ever since? James 5:8,9 says, "Be ye also PATIENT; stablish your hearts: for the COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH. Grudge not one against another, brethren, let ye be condemned: behold, THE JUDGE STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR." The "breadth of the door was ten cubits" in Ezek. 41:2. The persecuted saints "shall have tribulation ten days ('hemeron,' a period determined by the context)" in Rev. 2:10. Was the door opened in 5758 (1997/1998), and will it finally close for good in 5768 (2007/2008)?

Eze. 44:5 says, "And the LORD said unto me, Son of man, MARK WELL, and behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears all that I say unto thee concerning all the ordinances of the house of the LORD, and all the laws thereof; and MARK WELL THE ENTERING IN OF THE HOUSE, with every GOING FORTH of the sanctuary."

Eze. 41:23,24 says, "And the temple and the sanctuary had TWO DOORS. And the doors had TWO LEAVES APIECE, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. It makes me wonder if these four "leaves," or panels, could stand for the four years in the parable of the barren fig tree, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001. Eze. 42:11 says, "all their GOINGS OUT were both according to their fashions, and according to their doors." Door is a symbol of the Rapture, and the open door is set before the Philadelphian church of brotherly love (Rev. 3:8).

That the Rapture might take place in the third year of the four makes sense, because resurrection takes place at the Rapture, and resurrection is associated with the number three. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Mt. 12:40).

Jesus was resurrected on the third day. In John 2:19-21, Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will RAISE IT UP....HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY." We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and the Body of Christ. Will we be RAISED UP ON THE THIRD DAY?

It seems reasonable, since Christ was raised up on the third day. The year 2000 is the seventh and last year of the seven good years since the Oslo Accords were signed, (1) 1994, (2) 1995, (3) 1996, (4) 1997, (5) 1998, (6) 1999, and (7) 2000). I think the year 2000 is also the third year of a different series, that of the parable of the barren fig tree, (1) 1998, (2) 1999, and (3) 2000. Look how this could tie in with Nu. 19:12,19. It says, "He shall purify himself with it (the water and ashes of the red heifer) on the THIRD DAY, and on the SEVENTH DAY he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the THIRD DAY, then the SEVENTH DAY he shall not be clean." They were not to wait until the fourth day. They had to purify themselves on the third day. "And the clean person shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the THIRD DAY, and on the SEVENTH DAY." The year 2000 is both the THIRD and the SEVENTH of two different series of years.

Remember how Jesus tested Peter's love? I think we should take this to heart and apply it to our days. In John 21:15-17, "Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, FEED MY LAMBS (ones not yet full grown). He saith to him again the SECOND TIME (i.e., year), Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord: thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, FEED MY SHEEP (full grown). He saith unto him the THIRD TIME (year), Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, FEED MY SHEEP (believers)."

This seems to suggest that our test runs three years. During these three years, we are to prove that we love Jesus and feed His sheep. Agape

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