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Dearest Marilyn: I just read the the reason the 62 weeks and 7 weeks are divided is that because it took 49 years to complete the temple which would account for the 7 weeks, and then 62 weeks until Jesus' entry into Jerusalem as King of Kings. Do you think that is why the 7 weeks are separate? Why do you have to sell your house? Are you going to be moving to an apartment? I guess it would be easier foryou to maintain as I too, am 70 and John 74, and it is getting harder to keep up with the grounds. I am seriously thinking about selling our home and moving to something with less maintenance. I will miss it as I'm sure you will too as I thought you had such a lovely home and location in the hills. But our home is really in heaven and the Lord will see to it that after all your labors in his word, He will have you in the place that you can continue your work. God will certainly bless your efforts and send you a buyer if that is his will. Your very good friend in the Lord.

My reply

I don't know how long it took to complete the restoration temple. Since it mentions Jerusalem in Dan. 9:25, I didn't try to separate the temple from the rest of Jerusalem. That sounds reasonable though. Haggai emphasizes the date when the foundation was laid.

We have to sell our house because we assumed a loan and have to refinance to get it in our name within the 5 year period or sell it. We cannot manage to refinance it, so we will have to sell. We haven't the foggiest where we will go. Maybe a mobile home. Have to see what we might come out of this with to even begin to make any plans. Only the Lord knows at this point....

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A lot of 6's (Jim Bramlett) DRUDGE REPORT, July 16, 1999:
"A milestone will be reached Saturday with the projected birth of the world's 6 billionth inhabitant, according to the U.S. Census Bureau -- meaning the global population has doubled in the past 40 years..."

Hmmmm. The 6,000,000,000th offspring of Adam in the 6,000th year since Adam's birth. The population of Israel, God's time clock, is now at 6,000,000. ALL IN THE SAME YEAR! Amazing! (6 is the number of man. 666 is the number of the antichrist.)

Does anyone get the feeling that there is some sort of culmination message here, like maybe the age of man has about run its course, and its about time for the Second Adam to appear on the scene and restore all things to its original condition as promised in a seventh, or Sabbath Millennium? What a plan! Like maybe it is all on purpose, like Somebody is in charge
Jim

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> Only if you have the time and strength to provide me with your idea on these scriptures...
> Receiving your opinion can wait. Your health comes first...Please remember to place your > health first in our lives. I really am concerned with preaching verses 47 and 48. Agape.
>
> Luke 12:35-56: 35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;

***From Marilyn: Be ready, wearing white garments, sins confessed, plenty of oil (Holy Spirit) in our bodies besides our lamps (dormant spirits kindled to life and sealed). The lamp had to be lit by a live coal, i.e., the flame of the Holy Spirit. This was demonstrated visually on Pentecost. "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them" (Acts. 2:3). Their lamps were lit.

> 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from
> the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

***The Pre-Wrath Rapture follows the Marriage of the Lamb on the first day of the Millennium. After the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the following Judgment Seat of Christ is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The word "knocketh" ties in with the Laodiceans that got left behind. Rev. 3:20 says, "Behold, I stand at the door (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8), and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." We should not keep the Lord out of our personal lives, but make him part of our lives. What will it take for us to learn that lesson? The last chance to be in the heavenly group will be the Pre-Wrath Rapture. If one gets left behind once, please don't get left behind the second time.

> 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching:
> verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to
> meat, and will come forth and serve them.

***This seems to be the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. I think that those of the second Rapture are not invited to the wedding, but are invited to the Marriage Supper.

> 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch,
> and find them so, blessed are those servants.

***The third watch may refer to Pentecost, 2000.

> 39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would
> come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

***If the minister of the church had known for sure when Christ would come, he would have been watching. As it is, the church will be broken into. The watching loving Bride, the Philadelphians, will be caught up. The foolish lukewarm Laodiceans will stay on Earth until the second Rapture.

> 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

***Stay ready and watch.

> 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

*** It is for all. The answer is in the following parable.

> 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall
> make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

***The strong meat of the word should be preached in Christ's "DUE SEASON." When the church is old, they are to have the strong meat, i.e., the deeper meaning of Scripture.

> 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a
> truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and
> if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat
> the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

***Skepticism regarding the return of Christ relaxes one's guard. Those can easily get taken by surprise when they least expect him.

> 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at
> an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his
> portion with the unbelievers.

***The foolish lukewarm Laodicean virgins, lacking their white robes, will be cut off and appointed the shortened Tribulation with the unbelievers. Mt. 24:51 says, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (Pharisees were called hypocrites): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." They could have been taken up, but didn't realize that the Lord's coming was so soon, so got caught without a white wedding garment on. The Tribulation will try them to see of what sort they really are.

> 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself,
> neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

***If we know that we should get ready and don't take advantage of the time we have been given to prepare ourselves, here comes the Tribulation. Believers suffer chastisement on Earth, because they will never suffer it in Heaven. The Laodiceans are warned, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Rev. 3:19).

> 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be
> beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be
> much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

***If one understands, and does not prepare himself, his trial will be greater than someone's that did not understand.

> 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

The fire will fall on unbelievers on the Day of God's Wrath, the first day of the Millennium.

> 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be
> accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you,
> Nay; but rather division:

***Think of the Jews that accept Yeshua and are treated by their families as if they had died.

> 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two,
> and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son
> against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the
> mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law
> against her mother in law. 54 And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud
> rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is. 55 And
> when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
> 56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it
> that ye do not discern this time? (KJV)

***Ye hypocrites, i.e., Pharisee types, why can't you see that this is the time that your Messiah comes to you? This is HIS DUE SEASON. The clues are in Scripture. Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS" (Mk. 13:23). We must look for the clues, so we can discern this time. We do not want the Lord to say to us, "how is it that ye do NOT discern this time?"

"Well, what good would it do? we are supposed to be ready for his imminent return all the time" would be a poor excuse. What we are supposed to do and what we really do are two different things. If we think we have another 30 years, are we going to be as ready as if we know it is very soon? Maybe so, maybe not. It is easy to put things off when there is plenty of time. But, what do we do when under the pressure of an approaching deadline? We do what has to be done. One thing is sure, he will come "at the day appointed" (Prov. 7:20). The word imminent is not in Scripture.

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Ralph Cullen wrote: Re: assumptions
I have been reading your web page right through the time of your predictions, and though I've written before with no response, I seem drawn back. My heart is aching for you and so many others who have imbibed the dispensational error from Schofield, Darby and others. You received a most excellent email concerning the seventieth week of Daniel, and your reply saddens my heart even more, for it reveals your hermeneutic has lead you away from truth. The person who wrote pointed out the simple plain meaning of scripture I.E. that the 70th week follows the 69th (as in common logic) and you said it doesn't! Schofield developed the dispensational view of scripture in which gaps and "pauses" are put in "prophetic clocks" at random... There is no justification for this though.

I note with extreme interest that Daniel 9:27 is misquoted by Dispensationalists. They (You) say that someone is going to "make a covenant" where the Scripture says "he shall "CONFIRM THE covenant" with many for one week..." In other words, It is a covenant already in existence to be confirmed in the 70th week of the 70 weeks determined upon the Jewish people.

Galatians 3:17, in the context of the purpose of the law, declares that God, in Christ Confirmed the Covenant made to Abraham, and the law, which was given to reveal sin had no power to disannul that covenant. It was the glorious covenant of grace and promise made to Abraham and His Seed (Christ) that was confirmed during the seven years beginning at the revelation of the Messiah to Israel (Jesus' Baptism) and ending when the Gospel went first to the Gentiles. "He confirmed the Covenant with Many" The many were his own people, and history  records that many of the Jews believed.

To take Daniel 9:27 out of context and apply it to some "peace agreement" or whatever two thousand years after the rest of the scripture was fulfilled is to make a mockery of the Word of God, and brings incredible disrepute to all those who promulgate such doctrine. I wouldn't write this at all except my heart is aching for the church of Jesus Christ as those who do not understand the nature or the purpose of Gods great work at Calvary and the bringing in of a New Covenant are robbing and being robbed by this appalling doctrine of Dispensationalism. Congratulations for publishing the former letter. Sincerely, Ralph from New Zealand.

My reply

> I've written before with no response...My heart is aching for you and so many others
> who have imbibed the dispensational error from Schofield, Darby and others.

Sorry, but with hundreds of emails, I can't physically answer more than I do in the time that I have. When I read of someone that does not see that there is a gap in Dan. 9:26, I am not sure that they will listen to anything I might say. They are usually so convinced that Dispensationalism and the Pre-Trib Rapture are late ideas that they usually don't pay any attention. I feel like I am spinning my wheels and wasting my time. Sometimes, I feel like Jesus, when he was speaking of the scribes and Pharisees. He said, "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind." How anyone can't EASILY see that the prophecies in Dan. 9:24 have not yet been fulfilled is hard for me to understand. More about 9:24 later.

Here is an early quote from an almost 1500-word sermon by Pseudo-Ephraem (c. 374-627 AD) that shows that the Pre-Trib Rapture is not a late development. He said, "All the saints and elect of God are gathered together BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, which is TO COME (i.e, after c.627), and are TAKEN TO THE LORD, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins" (emphasis mine).

Some people also sound as if Rev. C.I. Scofield, et al, made up the seven-year Tribulation, when it was the Lord who said, "And if ye (Israel) will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, WILL CHASTISE YOU SEVEN TIMES (years, Rev. 12:6,14) for your sins" (Lev. 26:27,28). The seven-year Tribulation is Biblical. It is the fifth cycle of discipline for Israel. And yet, you will hear some people say that the only place in the Bible that the seven-year Tribulation comes from is someone else's misunderstanding of Dan. 9:27.

> Schofield developed the dispensational view of scripture in which gaps and "pauses" are
> put in "prophetic clocks" at random... There is no justification for this though.

Israel was out of fellowship any time God's clock stopped. Nothing was "at random." Every stop was because Scripture demanded it. God's clock stopped 114 years during the servitudes, which you would know if you had worked with Bible Chronology enough to figure out why 594 years are called 480 in I Kings 6:1. It is not a mistake. It is to teach us something.

The 480 years are called Theocratic years, when God's clock was running. When you look at the 114 years that were omitted, you can see why they were omitted. The "children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves. Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years" (Ju. 3:7,8). This was the first servitude that was omitted. Here is that one plus the rest that add up to the 114 missing years....

2573 AH Beginning 1st servitude under Chushan after 13 years (Jg 3:8) (Joshua-Judges chasm: there are 13 years between the end of the book of Joshua and the beginning of Judges. Joshua and the elders ruled 13 years.)
2581 AH Rest by Othniel after 8 years servitude under Chushan-rishathaim (Jg 3:8)
2621 AH 2nd servitude under Eglon after 40 years of rest by Othniel (Jg 3:11)
2639 AH Rest by Ehud after 18 years of servitude under Eglon (Jg 3:14)
2719 AH 3rd servitude under Jabin after 80 years of rest by Ehud (Jg 3:30)
2739 AH Rest by Barak after 20-year servitude under Jabin
Judgeship of Shamgar (Jg 3:31) included in 20 years of 3rd servitude under Jabin (Jg 5:6,7)
2779 AH 4th servitude under Midian after 40-year rest by Barak (Jg 5:31)
2786 AH Rest by Gideon after 7-year servitude under Midian (Jg 6:1)
2826 AH Usurpation by Abimelech after 40-year rest by Gideon (Jg 8:28)
2829 AH Judgeship of Tola after 3-year usurpation by Abimelech (Jg 9:22)
2852 AH Judgeship of Jair after 23-year Judgeship of Tola (Jg 10:2)
2874 AH 5th servitude under Ammon after 22-year judgeship of Jair (Jg 10:3)
2892 AH Judgeship of Jephthah after 18-year servitude under Ammon (Jg 10:8)
2898 AH Judgeship of Ibzan after 6-year Judgeship of Jephthah (Jg 12:7,8)
2905 AH Judgship of Elon after 7-year Judgeship of Ibzan (Jg 12:9)
2915 AH Judgeship of Abdon after 10-year Judgeship of Elon (Jg 12:11)
2923 AH 6th servitude under Philistines after 8-year Judgeship of Abdon (Jg 12:14)
(Judgeship of Samson 20 years (Jg 16:31) incl. in 40 years of 6th servitide) (Jg 15:20)
2963 AH Judgeship of Eli after 40-year servitude under Philistines (Jg 15:20)
3003 AH Judgeship of Samuel after 40-year Judgeship of Eli (I Sam 4:18).
3023 AH End of the period of the Judges

I think the above IS justification, and it is from Scripture.

> I note with extreme interest that Daniel 9:27 is misquoted by Dispensationalists.
> They (You) say that someone is going to "make a covenant" where the Scripture says
> "he shall "CONFIRM THE covenant" with many for one week..." In other words, It is
> a covenant already in existence to be confirmed in the 70th week

I think the Oslo and Wye agreements will be confirmed in the Final Status Covenant that Ehud Barak wants in about 15 months from July 20, 1999. He said that he wants to combine Wye with the final status agreement. Thus, the covenant will be CONFIRMED. I expect it to be confirmed on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

> To take Daniel 9:27 out of context and apply it to some "peace agreement" or whatever two
> thousand years after the rest of the scripture was fulfilled is to make a mockery of the
> Word of God, and brings incredible disrepute to all those who promulgate such doctrine.

I do not take Dan. 9:27 out of context. Here is the way I see it. Dan. 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks (Heb., shabuim, sevens, i.e., 490 years) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Did transgression end a few years after the Crucifixion? No. Did sins end then? No. Was everlasting righteousness brought in at that time? No. Had all prophecy been fulfilled at that time? No. Was Christ anointed? No.

You see, this 490 years stretches all the way from the first year of Cyrus to when Christ will be anointed King of kings and Lord of lords. That is still future in our days. He was not anointed in 30 AD, 33 AD, 37 AD, or even 70 AD. If you think he was, then you need to explain why everlasting righteousness was not brought in then? Why do we need jails now?

Dan. 9:26a says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (Heb., karath, killed), but not for himself (for us): and the people (Romans) of the prince (The Beast) that shall come (in the far future) shall destroy the city (fulfilled in 70 AD) and the sanctuary (fulfilled in 70 AD)." The clock had stopped for Israel at the Crucifixion, because she refused the Messiah. She was driven out of the land after a 40-year probation period (Eze. 4:6) to see if she would repent. She was scattered among the nations.

Dan. 11:21-23 explains, "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. And with the arms of A FLOOD shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also THE PRINCE OF THE COVENANT (The Beast). And after the LEAGUE MADE WITH HIM (The Beast) he (the False Prophet) shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people."

Dan. 9:26b says, "and the end thereof (of the "prince of the covenant") shall be with A FLOOD, and unto the end of THE WAR (Armageddon, "to make an end of sins") desolations are determined."

The overflowing flood happens when the "great mountain (asteroid) burning with fire" is "cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8) (the Mediterranean) at noon on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Zeph. 2:4,5 says, "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast." Ezek. 25:16,17 says, "Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes: and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

Job 20:23 says, "When he (the wicked one, the False Prophet) is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating." "Because...he hath violently taken away an house (the world church) which he builded not" (Job 20:19). This wrath is the "great star (aster, asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" of Rev. 8:10).

Dan. 9:17 says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm the covenant with many (The Beast and the united nations) for one week (seven years): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Tribulation) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (at the temple), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it desolate (the temple), even until the consummation (of Armageddon), and that determined (he will be cast into the Lake of Fire, Rev. 19:20) shall be poured upon the desolate (lit., desolator, False Prophet)." Both The Beast and False Prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire.

> my heart is aching for the church of Jesus Christ as those who do not understand the
> nature or the purpose of Gods great work at Calvary and the bringing in of a New
> Covenant are robbing and being robbed by this appalling doctrine of Dispensationalism.

This "appalling doctrine of Dispensationalism," as you call it, recognizes that the Dispensation of Grace has a New Covenant and that the Dispensation of Law had the Old Covenant. What is it robbing us of?

Do you really know anything about the Dispensations? Each was a time when God dealt with people in a different way. Man was to be tried under seven different types of economies. He would fail in all seven. God's instructions to each group would be disobeyed. Without a Saviour, we would all be sunk, and He is proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Here are the Dispensations and the length of time each is/was to be in effect.

Innocence, 40 years, Adam to the Expulsion
Conscience, 1616 years, the Expulsion to the Flood
Human Government, 427 years, the Flood to Abraham
Promise, 430 years, Abraham to the Exodus
Law, 1559 years, the Exodus to the Crucifixion
Grace, c. 1977 years, the Crucifixion to the end of this Age
Kingdom, 1000 years, end of this Age to the end of the Millennium

I think the total years set aside for mankind's testing run from Adam's Expusion to 3007 AD. The time between the 6000th year of man's testing as mortal and knowing both good and evil and the beginning of the Millennium is inserted into the timeline, so it could be omitted if Israel would just turn to the Lord in time. The Lord comes looking one year, looking the second year, looking and speaking in the third year. After that, there is one more year of grace before the Tribulation begins. Israel is dug around and dunged in that extra year to see if that will cause her to bring forth fruit (Lu. 13:6-9).

The covenant being discussed in Dan. 9 is not the New Covenant of the Bible's New Testament. The New Covenant became effective upon the death of the testator. Heb. 9:16,17 says, "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." The New Covenant was Christ's Last Will and Testament. Therefore, it superceded any that had been written before, for a will is not in effect until death. Then the will with the latest date is the one that goes into effect. The first is no longer valid. Jesus had already fulfilled the first, every jot and tittle, anyway.

Don't confuse the Covenant of the Law with the Covenant of Promise given to Abraham. The Law was fulfilled, but the Covenant of Promise stands. Gal. 3:17,18 says, "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect."

The promises given Abraham were unconditional. They depended on who and what God is. The Law was conditional. It depended on Israel keeping the law, which they failed to do. The New Covenant is better than the Mosaic Covenant, not morally, but efficaciously. It is established on better, unconditional, promises. In the Mosaic Covenant God said, "If ye will." In the New Covenant, he says, "I will."

There are actually eight covenants:
The Edenic Covenant
The Adamic Covenant
The Noahic Covenant
The Abrahamic Covenant
The Mosaic Covenant
The Palestinian Covenant
The Davidic Covenant
The New Covenant

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