Pro and Con 364

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Hi Marilyn, I just read your reply to Ralph, and wanted to tell that I thought your reply was beautifully clear and well written.The words "rectify and rectitude" have been staying in my mind the last few days; they are words I never have thought about much.Webster's says: "to correct by removing errors." When I read your post, I thought of that.In my mind's eye, I see you going along in a garden, pulling out the weeds of error, carefully and thoughtfully.Tomorrow, I am flying our plane to Kitchener, Ontario, to hear Gershon Salomon, of the Temple Mount Faithful, speak about current events in Jerusalem.I am looking forward to hearing him speak.So much going on, Marilyn, and now King Hassan of Morocco has died, and his young son will be king, just as King Hussein's young son took over.Young hands on the reins. Bless you, Marilyn. I pray for you and Ed and David.I hope your relocation goes smoothly. In His Love, watching, and praying

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Thanks for all your kind words, well wishes and prayers. Hearing Salomon should be interesting. I prayed for a safe trip for you. I worked so hard today, I got blisters on both thumbs, had to take Motrin for pain and go to bed during the early evening. It is quite something to watch world events in these days.

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FWD: Re: Water from Rock @ Temple Mount Ezekiel 47 (David Hill)

Mark, Thanks for this letter. It clears up alot....
Your brother in Yeshua, david

--- Mark Rouleau wrote:
Dear Brother David,
I received this email on July 15, 1999 from Pastor Ed Smelser who is the Chaplain at the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem.

I hope that this helps to clarify the situation.

Your brother in Yeshua, Mark Rouleau

Dear Mark, Yes, I saw the pictures. So I decided to go check this out for myself. You may not know that I live in Jerusalem. I am the Chaplain at the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem so I have the luxury of taking a staff journalist and someone with a camera and going to the Temple Mount. David Parsons, the ICEJ's senior staff journalist and editor of some of our publications (including the Middle East Digest), Cale Hahn another staff writer (with his camera -he's an excellent photographer), and myself (I took my digital camera so we could attach anything important and get the news out).

The three of us went over this afternoon, 15 July, at 13:30 when the mount opened for the afternoon tours. We are familiar with the locations marked on the maps on the internet, as well as knowing the location of where the pictures were taken.

We asked a lot of questions. People seemed puzzled as to why we were so interested in the irrigation that was taking place there. There was a hose which was connected to a pump that had been let down into one of the cisterns on the north side of the Dome of the Rock. It was afternoon and the pump was not turned on. We walked to the end of the attached hoses, probably a distance of 100 yards. The hose ended in the "garden" (local terminology for landscaped areas) on the north side of the large cement courtyard which surrounds the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. This cement courtyard is the size of eight football fields (local information) and was built so that the drain off from the winter rains could be saved flrot eh dry months. The fact that there are large cisterns under the temple mount is well documented, maps are available.

Today we looked down into the cisterns. You can see the water down there about 25 to 30 feet. It is from these water supplies that the water is being pumped by the muslims for watering during the unseasonably dry time that we are experiencing over here. They are also using it for washing clothes and other household needs. They told us that it is not pure enough to drink, but since there was no flow of water we could not see the purity of the water for ourselves.

I reviewed each picture on the internet carefully. I know where each one of them was taken. I can identify the background of locations, the angles, tell you which way people were facing when the photos were shot, etc. I can only come to one conclusion, it is sensationalism only. It does not fit scripture. I would expect that if there was Ezekiel 47:1,2; Zechariah 14:8; type water flowing that it would not have to be pumped by electric pumps from a know source )25 to 30 feet below the surface) that has been there since the time of the second temple. (You can see the cisterns in the picture on pg.44,45 of the lastest issue of BAR magazine if you know what you are looking for)...

Today we checked them out. We took our own pictures. I could bore you with pictures of electric cords, cisterns, a garden hose (we saw only one on the whole courtyard area - we circled the area completely looking for anything that remotely looked like flowing water). I think we wanted to give the benefit of the doubt and report that they saw something. Nothing. We were on the temple mount for over an hour....

Ed Smelser, Chaplain, ICEJ
011-972-2-566-9823 (my Embassy office ph.)
P.O. Box 1192, Jerusalem, 91010 Israel

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FWD: more pestilence: from Van Impe:

Agence France Presse reported: "Health officials said Sunday a sixth person died overnight from a killer virus which has seen panicked residents flee the southern Russian village at the center of the outbreak. Eighty-one people were in hospital in the southern Rostov-on-Don region after contracting the illness, which causes fever and internal bleeding...Russia's chief medical officer Gennady Onishchenko, who was due to visit the area later Sunday, told Echo Moscow radio that the illness was probably a ŚCongo-Crimea hemorrhagic feverą which had incubated in the Rostov regionŠDoctors registered the first symptoms, resembling a feverish cold, in Oblivskaya, near Volgograd, on July 5 but people also complained of eye problems and medics said the infection could cause blindness. Autopsies have shown that the victims died of cerebral hemorrhaging."

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Thankyou so much for your notes on my last question it really helped me. The latest P& C's have been so interesting. The last letter in the last one you talk of Noah again. On reading it I noticed the obscure mention of the Raven. Could that represent Satan sent out also to sift us like Wheat? As it is not mentioned again. Also Genesis 8:5 says it was in the tenth month.

Yesterday I was reading Esther, I marked chapter 2:16-17 to ask you if there was any significance that she went up to the King in the tenth month? Also in chapter 5:1 it says that on the third day she put on her royal apparel and stood in the inner courts of the king's house. So many three's about. Please can you tell me when the tenth month is as I haven't quite got my head around the Jewish calender. Many thanks, Love

Ps it was lovely to hear all about your life in the last P&C, it made me ashamed that I'd never bothered to ask you anything personal instead of always picking your brains.

pp.s I was also thinking it would be good if you could list the end time events by grouping the scriptures together. Then people like me who are very visual when it comes to memory aids and learning could photocopy the scriptures and paste them in chronological order. I know some people would throw their hands up in horror at the thought of tampering with the Word in such a way. But it would really help to show people and explain to them when your memory lets you down. ie ALL scriptures relating to the day of God's Wrath.

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> the Raven. Could that represent Satan sent out also to sift us like Wheat?

It seems likely.

> Also Genesis 8:5 says it was in the tenth month.

That was just when the tops of the mountains were seen. They came out of the Ark on Cheshvan 27 (Gen. 8:14).

> Yesterday I was reading Esther, I marked chapter 2:16-17 to ask you if
> there was any significance that she went up to the King in the tenth month?

That would be winter, and in the rainy season. If Song of Sol. 2:10-14 applies to the Rapture, it has to be in the spring. Winter and the rains are over.

> the Jewish calender

The Civil Year starts with Tishri in Sept. or Oct. The Sacred Year and Regnal Year start with Nisan in the spring.

Here is the list of months for the Civil Year: Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar, Adar II (only in leap years), Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul.

> in chapter 5:1 it says that on the third day she put on her royal
> apparel and stood in the inner courts of the king's house.

I think the Marriage of the Lamb actually takes place on the first 24-hour day of the millennial Day of the Lord, which is the third day of a certain series of last days. There are seven 1000-year great days. Anything past the first 4 great days is in the last days of this series. The Crucifixion was in the last days, which are days 5, 6 and 7. So is the Marriage of the Lamb and the Second Advent. Some mentions of the third day may refer to the Millennium, day 7. It is the third of the last days of this series.

The third day can merely mean the third 1000 years. Referring to Israel, Hos. 6:2 says, "After two days (i.e., after 2000 years) will he revive us: in the third day (after the next millennium had started) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." This was literally fulfilled in 1948.

> it would be good if you could list the end time events by grouping the scriptures
> ALL scriptures relating to the day of God's Wrath.

ALL? That would be a tall order.;=) Surely you don't really mean ALL. That would be such an unwieldy list that you would never use it. Would a few major ones do? I might be able to handle it that way.

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Thanks so much for your notes on Esther and Noah. As regards my idea for grouping all bible references together in date order please forgive me. I was just thinking out loud and thought it was a good idea. I hadn't thought it through properly, if I had I would have realized that there are so many references it would be a mammoth task for you to undertake. Remember my bible knowledge is limited so the picture I had in my mind was relative to the little I know and pretty small. The picture you had was much bigger!!!!! Anything you could come up with though would help people to explain it to others not familiar with your website. Sorry to alarm you - you already work so hard. Much Love

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"...Meanwhile, Palestinian Planning Minister Nabil Shaath said the Palestinians expect to conclude a permanent peace agreement with Israel by May 2000..."

Seems like your Pentecost, 2000 time line would fit right into this....

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Our Press-Enterprise said today that Ehud Barak wanted to get the ball rolling so final status talks could start in 15 months. Even that was not a hard date, but he said that he wasn't going to wait three years.

It is coming up right on time. Barak wants to combine the Wye River Agreement with a Final Status Pact. Prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes.

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What Biblical information do you have regarding the number 153 and prophesy?

I'm curious because I know you do methodical Biblical research, and I had a gut feeling about it, particularly as it is used in John 21....

Then it hit me. The number 153. Woah! The context of this number is amazing. Here is the text:

[John 21:3] Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing. [4] But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus. [5] Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No. [6] And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes. [7] Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea. [8] And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes. [9] As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. [10] Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught. [11] Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken. [12] Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. [13] Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise. [14] This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead....

[John 21:8] And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.John 21:John 21:

Well, I don't know what 200 could stand for, unless it's the year 2000?!...

My reply

...The 153 fish might represent us as the catch at the Rapture.

The 200 makes me wonder also if it could be a clue to the year 2000. The "OTHER disciples came." Could that be a veiled reference to us?

> [John 21:4] But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the
> disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

In the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9, he comes LOOKING the first two years. Could that tie in with "but the disciples KNEW NOT that it was Jesus"?

> [John 21:14] This is now the THIRD time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples

A "time" can stand for a year (Rev. 12:6,14). In the parable, Jesus comes and SPEAKS in the third year. Here, he says, "COME and dine."

After they dined, Jesus told Peter to feed his lambs/sheep THREE times. The correlations are pretty good. We know that we are also supposed to feed his sheep. Food for thought.

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Just a quick per P & C 359....the population of Israel is 6,000,000! God Bless

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With regards to the question in your last post (359) about the "three sixes" in the world's population, i wrote you way back in pro/con 61 about discovering that at that time the world's pop. was 5.8 billion,Israel's pop. was 5.8 million and Jerusalem's pop. was 580,000.Since then (in the last few months) Isreal has reached 6 million, Jerusalem 600,000 and according to the sunsite popclock which is ticking off three births per second "around the clock"--we are at 5,995,600,000 or so as of today(of course that keeps changing by the minute)I figured at that rate and by that popclock we'll reach the 6,000,000,000 about July 24th. Also, to add to the instances of sixes in the Bible,there were 6 people who repopulated the earth after the flood. Blessings to you

My reply

Thanks. I remembered something about it, but didn't know where to find it. A lot has gone on since P & C 61.

It seems to be coordinated, showing the power of God and warning us of the upcoming 666 Mark of the Beast.

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> Songs 2:10 through 2:14...It seems likely that this could be applicable to the believers
> for the second rapture. The first rapture time slot could be the month of Tevet which
> is given in the book of Esther.

My reply

Right now, I can't see any way that the second Rapture could be in the spring, nor any way that the first Rapture could be in Teveth.

The second Rapture is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. That means it happens just before the seventh seal is broken. The seventh seal is broken on the Feast of Trumpets. The seven trumpet judgments are to hit Earth that day.

Look in Rev. 7:14. The Tribulation saints appear in Heaven. Then look at Rev. 8. The seventh seal and the seven trumpet judgments follow that Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn feasts: and one shall take you away with it." Joel 2:1-3 shows that it is the Feast of Trumpets. It says, "BLOW ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD (the first day of the Millennium) cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations." This is Gog's united nations army that is attacking Israel. Israel will blow the alarm upon the silver trumpets.

Num. 10:9 says, "And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that opresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies." At this point, the Lord will fight for Israel. What saves her is the "great mountain burning with fire," a piece of what seems to be a binary asteroid, is "cast into the sea" (the Mediterranean Sea (Rev. 8:8).

"AND at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (time of Jacob's trouble), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" (Dan. 12:1,2). The Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the same day, but before the asteroid strikes at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

I see no way that the Pre-Wrath Rapture could be in the spring. Also, the passage in Song of Solomon 2:10-14 is talking about the Bride. It is the secret of the stairs. Verse 14 says, "O my dove (i.e., filled with the Holy Spirit), that art in the clefts of the rock (in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice." The word "places" is in italics. It is not in the original, but is supplied by the translators.

The first Rapture is for the Bride of Christ. It is as the days of Noah. All on the Ark were married. The second Rapture is for the rest of the Body of Christ. It is as the days of Lot. Fire fell that same day. None that made it out of Sodom that day were married. Lot lost his wife on the way. His two daughters were not married.

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Re: the third watch
I just got back from Cape cod,I and the family had a great time,the weather was perfect.I brought a hand full of pro and cons with me to read by the pool. I also believe that we will be raptured on June 10, 2000, which I call the third watch.

the Lord Woke me up on the first watch to prepare me,to get ready Quickly for our time to be caught up is drawing near.That Lightning bolt on may 31,1998 that almost hit me,and soon after that I found your web page was no accident. may the Lord Jesus be Lifted up in this final hour. God Bless your family.!

My reply

Nice to kick back and have time to read sometimes. I read the Bible while Ed exercises at Cardiac Rehab.

Lightning that almost hit you sure sounds scary....

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It occurs to me that the scripture usually (always?) refers to Jesus first coming as the former rain (fall) and his second coming as the latter rain (spring) but this leaves the rapture up for grabs...what do you think?

My reply

I can't help but think Song of Solomon 2:10-14 shows that the Rapture will be at Pentecost. The first resurrection started with Jesus on the Feast of Firstfruits. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on the next feast, Pentecost, and the Pre-Wrath Rapture in the next feast again, on the Feast of Trumpets. It seems like the logical way the Lord works too.

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Robin MacAhan wrote:
I had a dream last night that I believe was from God and if indeed it was. then there will be a split rapture.I thought I would let you in on it and I would be honored if you would give me your expert advice/opinion.Here goes:

I was at a wedding.Everyone in the wedding party and in the congregation was wearing maroon.Everyone was running around getting everything ready and they were in a hurry.I was getting ready to go down the aisle, but I was not the bride, nor a bridal attendant.I was taking the bride's place, because she was not ready. I was wearing a maroon dress and someone came up to me as I was standing at the back getting ready to go down the aisle.They put a white garment on top of my maroon dress.It had holes in it like a grandmother's shawl.You could see the maroon underneath the garment through the holes.I didn't have shoes on and I couldn't go down the aisle without them on.I looked down at my feet and there were white shoes and they looked like white dancing (ballet) shoes.I put them on and was ready.Everyone had done their part in getting me ready and were waiting for me to proceed down the aisle.

As I started down the aisle, everyone in the congregation was wearing maroon.As I looked toward the priest holding the Bible, I saw people behind him sitting in chairs.These people were the immediate family of the bride, yet they did not have white or maroon on.They had on plain clothes.

I don't remember anything about the ceremony itself.After it was over, I looked back toward the congregation and realized that the bride STILL was not ready.I immediately went back to her dressing room.She was getting her dress on.I helped her zip it up and then left herfinish the details of her hair, etc.I went back out into the church area and everyone was still waiting. I went out into the foyer of the church, attached to the sanctuary, and there were people there that werethere looking over used merchandise with tags on them.They were thinking about buying them.My stepmother, stepsister and stepbrother were there.I know they are Christians, but I think they are lukewarm, because they have other things before God.He's kind of 'on the shelf' in their life.They did not have on maroon and were not interested in coming into the sanctuary for the wedding.They were only interested in buying these items that had been previously used.These items were old and worn and useless.

I went back into the congregation and waited for the bride to get ready.

I do know that as I was getting ready to go down the aisle, I knew I was taking the bride's place because she wasn't ready.Yet, everyone was still waiting for her and her turn to be married.

Let me know if you can make heads or tails out of this dream.I do believe it was given to me by God.I had it between 7 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. this morning.Thanks so much for your help!

My reply

I don't go by dreams, even my own of known people in Heaven. Ed and I were there. Ed's grandmother was there. So was a boy our daughter dated at one time that accepted Christ because of letters I wrote him. He was killed soon after by a land mine in Viet Nam. Dreams are interesting. It is just that we can't be absolutely sure where they come from. I just tuck them back there in my mind for future reference. I will be anxious to see if the details are real when I do get to Heaven.

I would say that concerning yours, look at the details in the Bible. Where they jibe, you know you can believe that. Just having a dream in color is unusual.

I do think that Scripture shows that there are two Raptures, and many that should be ready, but are not. I can't say for sure, but it looks like the first Rapture is for the Bride of Christ (those that are ready), and the second one for the rest of the Body of Christ. The latter is the group invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Luke 12:35-38 seems to be addressing those of the second Rapture. In the NIV, it says, "BE DRESSED READY for service and KEEP YOUR LAMPS BURNING, like men waiting for their master to return FROM A WEDDING BANQUET, so that when he comes and knocks (see Rev. 3:20) they can immediately OPEN THE DOOR FOR HIM (see Song of Sol. 5;2-6). It will be good for those servants whose master finds them WATCHING when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them READY, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night."

We know from Rev. 7:14, that the Tribulation saints "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" by the time they appear before the throne of God. Your maroon and white fit in, don't they?

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