Pro and Con 368

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...Your posts are dividing the Word more beautifully with time. Precision is God's trademark, Grace and edification, faith and encouragement are your blessings. Thank you for going over these concepts so many times for us. It won't be long at all before all these problems melt away like butter on your window sill. God bless you both

My reply

...Thanks for your kind thoughts. It makes my hard work worth while. Agape

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Re: Are You Aware Of This??
...There is a site: www.mt.net/~watcher which is huge, complex, and mind-numbing. It deals with End-Time issues in a "Christian" mind-set. If you aren't aware of it, there's no need for you to go see it. I just wanted to say that on this megalonic site is posted information that makes the mind swim.

In particular, and this is why I wrote this email, the site mentions that it takes 14,000 years for the earth to circle through all twelve of the constellations. It says that we begin with Virgo and go through to Leo, and that we are near the point in the earth's revolution around the sun and our solar system's jaunt around the galaxy where we were when the earth was refurbished after the "war in Heaven". Do you know anything about this?...Your brother in Christ

My reply

Yes, I know about the Watcher web site. Brenda sent me email soon after I got on the Internet. She said that they read and agreed with my first book. As it turned out, they agree with part of it and disagree with part. Brenda and I email each other sometimes. I think her husband and I exchanged some email at one time. They read my book before they put up their Web site, so they picked up on Rahab being Satan's planet, being destroyed and the pieces becoming our Asteroid Belt. We are in agreement on that. On some other things, we don't agree, but we disagree agreeably and are on friendly terms. They have faith that they are right about crop circles and the face on Mars, but I am not convinced.

However, I do think Mars was scarred badly on one side when the planet Rahab blew up. That catastrophe probably drove most of the water and atmosphere away from Mars.

The gospel in the stars does start with Virgo and end with Leo. However, I go by Scripture, and have worked long and hard on Bible Chronology. I I do not think that the six days of Genesis, when the Lord refreshed the Earth to make it a fit habitat for Adam, were 14,000 years ago, but more like 6,041. However, I believe that the Earth itself is very old, and there was plant and animal life on it before a pre-Adamic catastrophe wiped them out and formed great beds of oil for our use. According to Hebrew scholars, the Earth BECAME waste and desolate. Agape

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From reading your books, I see that you are a very through Bible scholar. I've been a Christian all my life, but lately, many things come my way that just outright puzzle me.You seem to concentrate on the rapture and end-times, so this might be a little different, but if you can shed some light for me, I would be very grateful. A Bible study I recently attended dealt with who are the real jews. This sounds like a perversion of scripture, but you have been accused of as much, and if you would look at this site, http://www.posse-comitatus.org/jewry/chosen.html and see if this guy has a legitimate claim in what he states, I would be grateful. Thanks so much.

My reply

This is off base. It is what is called British Israelism.

This writer makes much of people calling Israelites Jews. Strictly speaking Jews are descendants of Judah. However, in modern usage, the term Jew has become interchangeable with Israelite. A person is considered a Jew if descended from Abraham, or if their mother is a Jew.

Rev. 3:9 warns, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

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I just read part of your website and I was very impressed by your knowledge. I have a few questions (I realize you don't have time to email everyone who asks) but I was just curious about some things.

1. if someone grew up as a Christian and then fell away from that lifestyle how could they make it right with God?

2. I don't really know that much about the Bible and Rapture and I was wondering if all the war and famine that is suppossed to take place would happen after God took his people home

If you have the chance to help me out with these questions that would be great.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my email

My reply

Thanks for your kindness.

1. If you grew up as a Christian, but never came to the point of definitely accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour, pray and tell God you accept Christ as your own personal Saviour. Ask him to help you walk the Christian walk. He will, one step at a time. All prior, "old" (II Peter 1:9) sins will be wiped off the slate. You will get a fresh start. You will be counted as a wise virgin, pure and clad in white garments, deserving of the status as Bride of Christ.

Rom. 10:9 says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Be sure to tell me too, in another email. I am praying for you.

If you asked Jesus to be your Saviour some time in the past, confess your known sins since that time to get back in fellowship with our holy God. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." When we have no sin barrier between us and our holy God, the Spirit of God wells up within us as a fountain of living water.

James 1:5-7 tells us, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."

Our test is to walk by faith. The angels were tested being able to see God, and 1/3rd failed to obey Him. We are created not being able to see God. Out test is to walk by faith and obey Him without seeing Him. We see the things he has created. Therefore, we are without excuse if we fail our test. His power can be deduced by observing that which he has created. God gave us a manual to read (the Bible) so that we can pass our test. It is our fault if we don't read the manual and fail.

2. The war of Rev. 6:4 takes place in the first half of the seven-year Tribulation. The Rapture of Holy Spirit filled believers (those that have no unconfessed sins) will come before the first seal is broken. War comes when the second seal is broken.

The war of Eze. 38 comes on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation. The army under Gog attacks Israel. That brings God's fury up in his face. The wrath of God is poured out on unbelievers at that time. Two large pieces of an asteroid impact Earth. The "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8). It impacts the Mediterranean Sea at noon, destroying the cities of the seacoast (Zeph. 2:4,5) and washing the united nations' army out of Israel's hair. There will be so many dead lying around the world that a child could write the number of the living (Isa. 10:19).

As the Tribulation begins, the final status of Jerusalem will be decided and a seven-year covenant confirmed (Dan. 9:27). However, the Lord says, "your covenant with death (the False Prophet, Rev. 6:8) shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell (Satan, who indwells the False Prophet) shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge (tsunami) shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report" (Isa. 28:18,19).

The other star (aster, asteroid) (Rev. 8:10) that falls will destroy literal Babylon (Rev. 18:21) and hurt Egypt so badly that no one will live there for the next 40 years (Eze. 29:10,11). This is "a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth" (Isa. 28:22). There will be a worldwide earthquake and every wall shall fall (Eze. 38:20).

Re: famine. It will probably not rain during the first half of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:6). This will bring on the famine, but it is after the Pre-Trib Rapture.

There are two Raptures. It seems that Jesus will come take the wise virgins of Mt. 25 to Heaven on Pentecost. I hope it will be Pentecost, 1999. It will be the Pre-Trib Rapture. The wise have confessed all their sins and are therefore wearing white spiritual garments. The wise virgins seem to be the Bride of Christ.

I think the foolish virgins, who do not have enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels (bodies) with their lamps (dormant spirits kindled to life by Christ at the moment of Salvation) will be on Earth during the Tribulation. They will be taken up with the Tribulation saints at the end of the shortened Tribulation (the Pre-Wrath Rapture). This group is the remainder of the Body of Christ.

Let me know if I can help in other ways. In His love

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...Almost all books and writings I've read on the end times caution about a one world government and the new world order. I was asked the other night where in scripture is any reference to a one world government ? I've read, and re-read Revelations and feel that I have a reasonable idea of what is to come, but couldn't find any direct reference to a one world government anywhere....Thanks again

My reply

In the book of Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream. In 2:28, Daniel told him, "there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days." The dream was of a great image. It's head of gold stood for Nebuchadnezzar and the world empire of Babylon. It's breast and arms of silver stood for the world empire of Media-Persia. His belly and thighs of brass stood for the world empire of Greece, and the legs of iron stood for the fourth world empire of Rome. The feet represent our days. They are a world empire of part iron (Rome) and part clay (other nations). The ten toes represent the ten kings of Rev. 17:12. At the time of the Rapture, they have no kingdom as yet. They come to power at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 13:1), when the first beast of Rev. 13 comes to power.

As the Tribulation begins, "power was given him over ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS" (Rev. 13:7). At the same time, "ALL that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life" (Rev. 13:8). It sounds like the Tribulation Pope will be elected head of the united nations. Under him will be ten kings that are elected head over the ten regions the world has already been divided into by the New World Order leaders.

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FWD: from Jim Bramlett: Re: Rosh Hashanah:
Note from Bill Koenig:

...significance of Rosh Hashanah and what it stands for as a Jewish festival (a list of Names, Themes and Idioms for the festival are below). This year Rosh Hashanah falls on September 10th and 11th.

Rosh Hashanah is the "no man knows the day or hour" festival; it is the celebration where the "last trump" is played; it is the wedding ceremony; and it stands for many other things including the "day of judgment" and "repentance." (NOTE: Please read carefully the "Wedding of the Messiah," in Eddie Chumneyıs material, beginning on page 14. In Jewish customs the bride does not go through "harsh" and "horrible" tribulation before her wedding day. In the Bible the bridegroom is Jesus Christ and the bride stands for the church (Christians).)...
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ROSH HASHANAH: Eddie Chumney
Rosh Hashanah / Jacobıs Trouble / The Wedding of the Messiah
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/2175/chap7.html

The Rosh Hashanah celebration: Names, Themes and Idioms....

1 Teshuvah (repentance)
2 Rosh HaShanah (Head of the Year, Birthday of the World)
3 Yom Teruah (the Day of the Awakening Blast [Feast of Trumpets)
4 Yom HaDin (the Day of Judgment)
5 HaMelech (the Coronation of the Messiah)
6 Yom HaZikkaron (the Day of Remembrance or memorial)
7 The time of Jacob's (Ya'akov) trouble (the birthpangs of the Messiah, Chevlai shel Mashiach)
8 The opening of the gates
9 Kiddushin/Nesu'in (the wedding ceremony)
10 The resurrection of the dead (rapture, natza1)
11 The last trump (shofar)
12 Yom Hakeseh (the hidden day)...

My reply

These fit the first day of the Millennium so well. I added numbers above so I could cross reference my remarks below. I think this will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

1. Israel will repent and be "born at once" (Isa. 66:8)
2. Birthday of Jesus
3. Asteroid blast that will awaken Israel, seven trumpet judgments
4. Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven
5. Christ's Coronation Day in Heaven
6. THE day to remember, a day like no other--ever
7. Day of Jacob's Trouble
8. Door opens the second time in Heaven
9. Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven
10. Pre-Wrath Rapture before the seven trumpet judgments hit at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5)
11. The "last trump" to assemble the saints in Heaven (I Cor. 15:51,52)
12. Now revealed by the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War in 1967

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I am so stoked.

First, I was obviously led to your site supernaturally. That is to say, it was a divine appointment.

Then I have been blessed to pick up and read snippets from various books from the likes of John Hagee [Isn't it peculiar your last names are so close?], Grant Jeffreys [Not sure about the final s], and Hal Lindsay ­ all books printed after 1997 ­ that point so clearly to the coming of Jesus to catch up the 'saints' in the Rapture.

I only put saints in single quotes because I don't mean it in the Catholic sense. That is, I intend 'saints' to mean: those who are washed [or covered] in the Blood of the Holy One of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

In a recently posted P&C someone mentioned the thing about some measurement of gold being 5760 ounces. That was so uncannily peculiarly wonderful.

And what did my local Wal Mart put up yesterday? Can you guess? Let me tell you. Big as life, a seven foot tall temporary cardboard shelf system that prominently sports the words "Have you been left behind?" And the books on that shelf are fiction and non-fiction books about the end times.

I haven't checked it out yet, but in a book by Hal Lindsay - something about the apocalypse code, I don't remember precisely the title; but it's quite recent - he mentions this technology called HAARP. This stands for High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. He alleges that the US government will use this technology to bounce some sort of radio frequency of the ionosphere to superheat it. And the electromagnetic waves that bounce back to earth are of a frequency that interrupt or corrupt human though processes. Weird, hey?

Anyway, the entire point of this email is to praise the Lord Jesus Christ who is God, and to thank God the Father, who showed us all mercy and is poised to rescue us from the clutches of the calamity that is the just recompense of the 'world system', and to thank the Holy Spirit who guides and teaches Godıs elect, the children of the Blood of the eternal covenant through Christ Jesus ­ the King above all other kings and Lord above all other lords.

Your site is a blessing. I have signed up for a free...site.... I don't know what the Lord would have me do with it.... It's just sitting there until I get a word from the Lord.

God bless you and continue to grant you wisdom and knowledge about the end times and about the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Your brother in Christ

My reply

Thanks for the kudos and great information. God bless

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Re: RAPTURE ON SATURDAY!!
Dear sister in christ Marilyn J. Agee, May God bless you and your family. This is my second letter to you. My first one is at Pro & Con 325 where I share to you that god is giving me a sign that he is coming to rapture us in this year and small letter suddenly changed to capitol letters.

Now I want to share again what I have been gone through yesterday. I convinced this is not an ordinary dreams because i can feel the different and the urgency that Jesus want me to share it with you and all are anxious waiting for the coming of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. Many people have share their dreams and vision and I know that we have to test if it comes from God. This is my dreams yesterday (3nd August):

I dreams that a voice is telling me that we are going to rapture on Saturday. I saw the words Saturday and beautiful lights and that is so bright are flashing through this words. Then i woke up. A very simple dreams and yet I woke up suddenly at around 10.50 pm. I convinced that god wake me up after this words so that i would not forget it. I say to myself how could we are rapture on Saturday?? I know that many are expected the rapture are going to happen in August 11, September 11 and maybe 31 Disember, 99. That night i search for calender and i looked for this 3 special date. Wow!! 11 of September, 1999 falls on Saturday. I was so shock!!! because i don't know that 11 of September, 1999 falls on Saturday until this powerful dreams came to me.

I feel uneasy if i won't share to all of you. As others who have share their dreams and vision, me as a servant of christ must share this wonderful things that really happen to me.

I really looking towards this Rosh Hashanah on the 11 of September, 1999. Praise the Lord!! and be ready always because we are going home soon. Marilyn, thanks a million for your hardworking and passion you have been through. God will reward you and all the servant of Christ.

My reply

Thank you for sharing this with me. Not only is Rosh HaShanah on the Saturday Sabbath in the Jewish year of 5760, but Sivan 7, Pentecost, is also on Saturday.

That would be fitting, i.e., Satur(n)day. When Paul was caught up to Paradise, he said it was the third heaven. That sounds like (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn, the planet with "brightness round about" (Eze. 1:27). In Hebrew, the Sabbath is Shabbat. Saturn is Shabbatai. It means the Sabbatic, or rest.

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Just read Jim Bramlett's writings about the gold dust. I was studying Edershoms books and discovered that there is an ancient Jewish legend that says that gold dust will literally fall from heaven just before the coming of the true messiah.

My reply

Thanks for the information. We are close any way you figure it.

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A few years ago, right after I had re-dedicated my life to Christ, I was on my knees praying. I had been reading chapters in the Bible and praying as Christians should do, and not as I had been. The Lord then spoke to me; spoke to my heart. It's difficult to think back on the moment and remember it with the clarity and power it had then, but I know that it was real. I was asking God when He would come and when the wheels of the Day of the Lord would begin turning. I then felt the voice in my heart, and making His intentions clear He said, "The end of your 22nd year". It was a strange way to think for me. I calculated it, and found that I turned 23 in November of 2001. Then, a little over a year ago, I was listening to a pastor on T.V. talk about Christ coming for His Church during the Feast of Trumpets, which had not been fulfilled in prophecy yet. He said that the feast of trumpets would have been (I believe this is correct) in either September or October. I had no knowledge of this, so it surprised me that it was parallel with the time before my birthday. He also taught that we really don't know when the actual feast should be held.

I also had a dream while in Paris in April of '97. It was probably the most vivid dream I'd ever had. I awoke with my heart beating fast and the dreams vividness only a close of my eyes away. In the dream I was in a Church. There was a service about to begin. I think I was in the choir or something, as I was pulling a robe or large uniformed shirt over my head. I was almost late, as my friends (who were also in whatever I was) pointed this out. We began walking into the auditorium. The next second I realized something was about to happen. Across the room the (a) minister, who I knew, but only in the dream, had a huge smile on his face. He knew something was about to happen. He looked happier than anyone I'd ever seen. The next thing I knew I felt a "jerk" in my heart and I was soaring up into the air. Almost everyone in that sanctuary was flying up with me. I realized that I had left what I knew to be earthly, fleshly, reality. I could talk to the minister across the room and learned that God had told him a few seconds before that it was going to happen.

Thanks for reading this. I had to write it to you after reading some of your site. We must watch, but not be too anxious. When it happen, it happens. And how it happens is up to the Lord. I know it's close, and you know it's close.

No, I don't watch too many movies. In Christ

My reply

> He said, "The end of your 22nd year". It was a strange way to think for me. I calculated
> it, and found that I turned 23 in November of 2001.

Then you turn 22 in November, 2000. The Feast of Pentecost, 2000 will be in your 22nd year. May 23 would be the halfway point. Therefore, we could say it would be in "The end of your 22nd year".

Thanks for sharing this with me. God bless

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