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I asked the LORD for confirmation about the rapture date, and I was directed to this verse. In the book of revelation chapter 20, 20 standing for the year 2000 and verse 6, standing for the month of June. I was a little taken back what the scripture said. GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY! IN HIS LOVE

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Thanks for sharing this with me. It says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection..."

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Alan Schuetz wrote:
I have completed a preliminary reconstruction of the Jubilee calendar (which I believe to be the true calendar of God -- not the masoretic nor the Julian/Gregorian reckonings). It is available in an Adobe Acrobat 3.0 portable document format (PDF) at http://www.eatel.net/~aschuetz/HaDerech/JubileeCalendar.PDF. The free PDF reader may be downloaded from http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html if this product is not currently available on your computer.

I would like for each and every one of you to try to find a passage in Scripture to refute this calendar. My first thought, naturally, was for the calendar to commence on the first day of the week in the first month of Abib. However, after reviewing the creation passage in Genesis, I am not convinced that is the case. For example:

Genesis 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (NASB)

I believe that this occurred during the course of a day (whatever that may be in God's terms). I also believe that this occurred on the first day of the week because of the following passage:

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. (NASB)

However, because Genesis 1:5 alludes to the first creative act (involving our known universe) occurring on the first day of the week, it does not necessarily mean that it was the actual first day of recorded history as God has revealed it to us. The Father may have built His House on the absolute first day. Also, Satan and his minions may have rebelled on the absolute first day and were cast out of Heaven -- I don't know. Let's just attempt to keep an open mind for a moment...

Some other clues -- like the 9th day of the seventh month being a (weekly) Sabbath [Leviticus 23:32] -- helped me to back-calculate the rest of the months. I also used portions of the earlier posting that I sent (http://www.cs.tut.fi/~dla/articles/gothcal.html). I should be receiving one translation of 1 Enoch within the week to search for discrepancies. This rendition fits perfectly with a 14 Abib paschal crucifixion/burial on the 5th day of the week and a resurrection on the 1st day of the week (see http://www.eatel.net/~aschuetz/HaDerech/Timeline.PDF).

Please be advised that I don't consider this calendar to be considered a "thus saith the Lord." I just need everyone to assist me in shooting holes in this theory. It's incredible that God would possibly use a calendar so brilliantly simplistic (of course, that's what I always thought the answer would be!) All appointed times would occur on the same day of the week each and every year!!! Actually, each quarter represents a repetitive pattern of the others. I desperately want to understand how to reconcile 364 days in this calendar vs. the approximately 365.25 mean days in a solar year. Perhaps, the 1 Enoch translation will assist in that endeavor. From my research, it was considered Scriptural by the early Church (and is referenced in Jude!), but the Catholic church fathers had it removed (for obvious reasons!).

Thanks for any help that you may provide.

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I cannot get your calendar. My Mac and software are too old. However, the Day of Atonement is kept on Tishri 10 (v. 27), not the 9th. Lev. 23:32 means that from 6:00 PM on the 9th to 6:00 PM on the 10th is the Day of Atonement. If the day God rested was Tishri 1, the Sabbath when this kosmos started operating, then Tishri 10 was not the weekly Sabbath. Tishri 8 would be.

> the 9th day of the seventh month being a (weekly) Sabbath
> [Leviticus 23:32] -- helped me to back-calculate the rest of the months.

That isn't a firm foundation. The Day of Atonement in Lev. 23:32 was called a Sabbath because all the feast days were holy convocations. Let's look at Lev. 23:2-7:

Re: the feasts, all are holy convocations:
2 "the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts."

Re: the weekly Sabbath, an holy convocation:
3 "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath (meaning rest) of the LORD in all your dwellings."

Back to the feasts, all holy convocations:
4-7 "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (starting at 6:00 PM as the 13th ends) is the LORD'S passover (a Sabbath). And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread (a Sabbath) unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall so no servile work therein (a Sabbath)."

Nisan 14 and Nisan 15 were both Sabbaths. Therefore, they could not both be the weekly Sabbath any more than Tishri 1, Tishri 10 and Tishri 15 could all be weekly Sabbaths.

> This rendition fits perfectly with a 14 Abib paschal crucifixion/burial
> on the 5th day of the week and a resurrection on the 1st day of the week

Jesus was Crucified on the preparation of the Passover, on Nisan/Abib 13 (Jn. 13:30;18:28; Mk. 14:12). I think it was Thursday, the 5th day of the week.

Jn. 19:14-16 says, "it was the preparation of the passover (Nisan 13), and about the sixth hour (Roman time, our 9:AM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King: But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him...Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."

> referenced in Jude

Where in Jude?

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Re: Rapture parallels in the Garden of Eden
> In the Garden of Eden, When it came time for the Marriage, the Body was put into a deep
> sleep, and the The Bride was taken out of the Body. Note; the marriage comes before
> they were cast out of the garden into tribulation.

***From Marilyn: It also came on the sixth day (Gen. 1:27,31). This might indicate 6000 years to the time that the Bride is taken out of the Body.

> when Noah was 600.--standing for 6000 years.

***Mt. 17:1,2: "AND AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them UP INTO AN HIGH MOUNTAIN APART. AND WAS TRANSFIGURED BEFORE THEM: and his face did shine as the SUN."

***In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:16 says, "his countenance was as the SUN shineth in his strength."

***Lu. 9:28: "And IT CAME TO PASS about an EIGHT DAYS...he took Peter and John and James, and WENT UP into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenace was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering."

***Oslo Accords signed Sept. 13, 1993. Three days later was Tishri 1, 5754. (1) 1994, (2) 1995, (3) 1996, (4) 1997, (5) 1998, (6) 1999, (7) 2000, (8) 2001. Could the Transfiguration indicate a time slot for the Rapture between the sixth and eighth years, between 1999 and 2001? The year (7) 2000 would fit in there.

***"So Esther was taken into king Ahasuerus into his house royal in the...seventh year of his reign" (Esth. 2:16). Could this tie in with the (7) 2000?

> So, taking the death of Enoch's son, Methuselah as a symbol of the timing of Enoch's
> rapture, (as the death of Christ allows our rapture to take place) the rapture comes
> right before the tribulation.

***If the Rapture was on Pentecost, 2000, it would be before the Seventieth Week of Daniel/Tribulation begins on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, 2001.

> Noah enters the ark, and 7 days later, the flood comes. So, Noah's escape comes right
> before the 7 year trib, at the end of which, all of God's enemies are destroyed at
> Armageddon, like in the flood.

***Noah was given 7 days to load the Ark. "And IT CAME TO PASS after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the SAME DAY were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened....In the SELFSAME DAY entered Noah...into the ark" (Gen. 7:10-13).

***Could the 600 years stand for 6000 years, the 7 days for 7 years, i.e., (7) 2000?

> [Gen 8:13] And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month,
> the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: Christians
> carry the waters of the Holy Spirit. After the rapture, these waters will be gone.

***This is Tishri 1, as you said, but consider this. Noah was not told to "Go forth" until "the second month, on the seven and twentieth day" (Gen. 8:14,15).

***This is Cheshvan 27 on the Civil Calendar, but the 2nd month, 27th day on the Sacred Calendar is Iyar 27. Guess what? If we add 40 days to Nisan 16, not counting by inclusive reckoning, we arrive at Iyar 27. Christ ascended on the 40th day after his resurrection on Nisan 16.

***Ascension Day could be a possibility for the Rapture. The head of the Body of Christ ascended on that day. Song of Sol. 2:10-14 would fit Ascension Day as well as Pentecost. The "winter is past, the rain (latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone...The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell." In 2000, Iyar 27 is Thursday, June 1.

***Nu. 13:21 (LXX) says of the time when the spies searched out the promised land, "and the days were the days of spring, the forerunners of the grape." On June 1st, "summer is nigh" as in the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34, when "it ('the kingdom of God,' Lu. 21:31) is near, even at the doors." Summer comes June 21st. Both Ascension Day and Pentecost fit the time indicated in Song of Sol. 2:10-14.

> In Genesis, there are 50 chapters total. 50, the year of Jubilee, which also ends
> this year, on the date of 1-1-5760.

***On Jan. 23, 1950, the Knesset declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel. Forty nine years later, on Jan. 23, 1999, we had the biggest gamma ray burster ever seen. If Jerusalem is the determining factor, the Jubilee could be the year 2000.

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First I'd like to say your web-site is very nice, with LOTS of good information. Your reseach has open my eyes to some possibilites that really never occured to me before.

I would like to point out a possible typographical error, where you say the seven trumpets hit the earth in one day. I supposed you meant to say the seven vial (last plagues) judgements hit the earth in one day. I like your very literal interpretation of the scriptures, and anyone who has read Revelation would noticed that Trumpet #5 lasts for five months.

Thanks for posting such a great web-site

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Thanks for your kind words. I tried to get my questions answered by reading an 18" pile of books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection every week for seven years and couldn't find key things that I wanted to know. In exasperation, I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and said, "Lord! you'll have to show me. I want to know all the deep things, everything you want man to know about the Bible." After that, I began to be able to see some things that the authors of all those books had missed. We have to read Scripture so very carefully. Every word counts. One sentence with several phrases can cover a lot of time. If we just read it fast, we can miss an awful lot. It takes study. No wonder the Lord said to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed.

> a possible typographical error, where you say the seven trumpets hit the earth in one day. I
> supposed you meant to say the seven vial (last plagues) judgements hit the earth in one day

No typo. I really think all seven trumpet judgments hit Earth in less time than it takes to tell it or to read about it. Seven angels stand before God. They are given seven trumpets, and they blow them one at a time, but in quick succession. Look at Rev. 8:5: "And the angel ('another angel.' 8:3) took the censer (a globe shaped incense burner), and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." That is how fast it all takes place.

Now for the quick explanation of what that depicted, the asteroid impact, probably a binary. Two main pieces hit.

Rev. 8: "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire...the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea...the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp...the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars."

Rev. 9: "The "fifth angel sounded...the key of the bottomless pit (the asteroid Satan lived on)...opened the bottomless pit (the center of the Earth)...the sixth angel sounded...Loose the four angels...to slay the third part of men."

Rev. 11: "the seventh angel sounded...the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever...thy wrath is come...destroy them which destroy the earth."

> Trumpet #5 lasts for five months.

One of its effects lasts five months.

Civilization as we know it will be destroyed. Some effects are immediate. Both large pieces of the asteroid (at the second and third trumpets) strike at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5; Amos 8:9, Job 20:23; Eze. 25:16). There will be a worldwide earthquake. All walls will fall.(Eze. 38:20).

The trumpet effects happen on one day. The vials report the greater and progressive effects over time, such as spreading wild fires, poison spreading through the Sea, disease breaking out, etc. For instance, where 1/3rd of the Mediterranean Sea became blood at the second trumpet, now at the second vial (Rev. 16), "every living soul died in the sea."

Because he could not return in glory on the Day of God's Wrath, Christ waits seven months before he returns. During those seven months, Israel buries her dead to cleanse the land for his return (Eze. 38:12).

After Christ returns, he will refresh the atmosphere (make new heavens) and will refresh the Earth much as he did before placing Adam on Earth. He will make all things new, not recreating the Earth from nothing, but making things on the face of the Earth like new again. He will make the Earth a fit habitat for people that will be living on Earth during the 1000-year Day of the Lord.

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What a marvelous Project Chronology of End-time Events you have produced for the WEB. It is very clear, inclusive and rings very true. I was interested to see that your study suggests that the Tribulation may well not begin until almost a year after the pre-trib. Rapture. I have thought about this a lot in the past- thinking that it would take some time after the departure of the Christians off the earth for the Antichrist to get his act together. I, of course, would be interested to know if you personally have your eye on someone who may emerge as the Antichrist. The Antichrist has to be Jewish-right? Somewhere I was reading that there is, indeed, a Catholic cardinal who is of Jewish background who might fit the profile for the Antichrist. I love talking with Christians and non-Christians, especially Jews about the end-times. I am going to keep a stack of your Projected Chronology print-outs in my car. I have been giving them away already....Again Much Thanks

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Thanks for all those nice things you said.

I don't know who the Beast, first beast of Rev. 13, or False Prophet (final Antichrist) will be. the Beast will probably be the the Pope who is in office when the Rapture takes place. He does not have to be Jewish. The False Prophet, Antichrist, does have to be a Jew. He may be a Jew from Syria.

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> You have taught that there are 40 years from the 1967 six day war until the end of the age
> in 2007.
>
> There is another interesting calculation: if 1,000 of our years equals 1 day of God's time,
> then God's time runs at 1/365,000 the rate of human time. The last hour on God's clock
> would take 365,000 hours on our clock or 41.6 years, very close to the 40 years calculated.
> Are there any Biblical references to being in the last hour, or "watching one hour" or
> "given power for one hour" which could be applied to this?

***From Marilyn: Yes. Look at Mt. 26:40. Jesus said to Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?" If we divide a 1000-year day by 24, we get 41.6666. It is mentioned on p. 27 in my first book, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed."

> By the way, I feel this is why Creationism and Evolution are NOT mutually exclusive. The
> rate of perceived time passage depends on your frame of reference [Einstein]. It is
> presumptious to think that all frames of reference are the same as humanity's! In certain
> fast moving frames of reference, billions of years of earth time would seem to take only
> 24 hours.

***I think the Earth is very old, but Adam was put on it in BC 4044.

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I agree that the Earth is very old, and that hominids have been here for hundreds of thousands of years. I also feel that a subgroup of them evolved enough to receive souls, the first being Adam, about 6000 years ago. There are still primates on Earth today (apes, monkeys) that do not have human souls. Evolution is creation every minute of every day. In this way, Creationism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive.

What do you think?

My reply

> Evolution is creation every minute of every day.

God rested on the seventh day. He was FINISHED. This "kosmos," order of things, began to operate on that day. I think it was Tishri 1 in BC 4044.

When God is able to command and it be done, why would he use evolution for anything? If things mutate, they mutate downward toward the chaotic, not upward toward things more complex. The theory of evolution is Satan's twisting of the truth to try to keep us from realizing with blinding clarity the majestic power of the Almighty.

I think that what was on Earth before it BECAME (hayah, had become) waste and desolate was plant and animal life. Genesis 1 records but three creative acts (bara), of the heavens and the earth in the beginning (v. 1), of animal life (v. 21) and human life (vs. 26,27). The rest was made (asah) from existing materials. I think the Earth had become waste and desolate because of an asteroid impact. God refashioned it to make it a fit habitat for mankind. He refreshed it, and I think he will do the same thing after the asteroid impact that begins the Millennium.

Where did the plants come from? from seeds in the Earth made to spring up. Gen. 2:3-6 says, "God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created (bara) AND made (asah). These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created (bara, as in Gen. 1:1), in the day that the LORD God made (asah, i.e., refashioned) the earth and the heavens. And every plant of the field BEFORE IT was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE IT grew...there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

Ex. 20:11 says, "For in six days the LORD made (asah, i.e., refashioned, made over, altered) heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day." Gen. 1:9 says, "And God said, Let the waters (already existing) under the heaven (lit., heavens, the atmosphere) be gathered together unto ONE PLACE (the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land (land already existing underwater) appear (i.e., above the water): and it was so." The water dashed into the basin prepared for it. The land appeared as the water receded. You have probably heard that if the land were smooth, it would all be covered with water two miles deep. The LORD's reworking the clay was necessary for mankind to even have dry land to live on.

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I understand from studying your books that you feel the harlot is the "church". Do you think it is possible it could also be a literal person? Thanks as always.

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The harlot of Rev. 17:3 seems to just be the world church. She sits on the red dragon "having seven heads." Therefore, she actually represents the harlot church all the way from Babel to the final Babylon. That is why she is called "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

At Babel, Semiramis and Nimrod set up the harlot Mystery Religion. Semiramis and their son, Tammuz, were worshipped as the Madonna and Child. Images were prevalent. Tammuz was said to have been killed by a wild boar and came back to life. His birthday was celebrated with evergreen trees on Dec. 25. Easter was celebrated with eggs. Vestal virgins and the supreme Pontifex Maximus, title of the High Priest, were part of that religion.

It is Satan's counterfeit religion, and it got mixed with Christianity when Constantine declared Christianity the state religion. At the Rapture, when the Holy Spirit filled believers are pulled out of that church, what is left is largely the Mystery Religion of Babylon.

In Rev. 18:4-9, a voice from heaven says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." That sounds like the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Continuing, it says, "For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you (the saints participate in some ways in the judgment meted out at the Judgment Seat of Christ that same day), and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double...Therefore shall her plagues come in one day (first day of the Millennium), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who JUDGETH her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication (joined with her) and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning."

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FWD: This is an excellent post of summary on "No man knoweth..."....
Subject: Regarding No Man knoweth the day...text vs. context
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug99/arlissc824.htm

Arliss Cooney (24 Aug): "Re: ...the day and the hour"

The Bible says, "There is no God!" (Psalm 14:1)

This is a TEXT without a CONTEXT.

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

This is the WHOLE TEXT of Psalm 14:1

There are many of these types of misquoted scriptures that are taken out of context. The scripture of Matthew 24:36 is one of them. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." This is a TEXT without the CONTEXT. The WHOLE TEXT beginning with verse 35 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Vs. 36 then goes on to say, "But of that day and hour (what day?...... when heaven and earth pass away...... at the end of the world.) knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

This verse Matthew 24:36 is talking about the end of the world when heaven and earth pass away. It is not refering to the Rapture.

We can know when Jesus will return because He gave us so many clues to watch for. Remember that our Lord commanded us to "Watch." "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:37. We are not date setters, but date watchers.

Jesus did however speak to the church regarding the Rapture! One place is found in Revelation 3:3b, "...If, therefore, thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." The other side of the coin would seem to be that if we ARE watching, we WILL know the hour of His coming!! Remember it is Jesus Himself speaking...in Revelation 3:3.

Some people read Luke 12:40 which states, "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." And they conclude WE BELIEVERS are not to know. Note Peter's question in the next verse, verse 41. "Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?" Then read verses 42-48. Read especially verses 45 & 46. It seems to me Jesus is saying the EVIL servant will be caught off guard. We believers who are watching wonąt be caught off guard.

Amos 3:7 says, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing (which would include the Rapture) but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Think about these things and pray about them.
In Jesus, Arliss

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