Pro and Con 38

Incoming Email (11-22-97)

As I was reading through your pro and con 36 and 37 I noticed the person that mentioned the "great deception" that you are spreading. I began to think back to the old testament and how the fact that there is no scripture that tells of Christs first coming to die for our sin. Not directly. Yet in one of my study Bibles, there are listed over a hundred prophecies that foretell the first and second comings of Christ. We can see in retrospect. After the fact. The jewish leaders of the time told the large group of wise men from the east, where the messiah was to be from, and most likely told them the directions to Bethlehem only two or three miles from where they were, Jerusalem. But the scripture doesn't tell us that they bothered to go see for themselves. How could they miss it? Is it because the scripture doesn't state his first coming directly? Jesus said the leaders were in error because they didn't know the scriptures or the power of God. Can we not err for the same reason?

I hope you continue spreading what many of us see not as a "great deception", but as great perception, because when it comes to scripture, if we cannot see what is hidden, we cannot see.

Also someone mentioned the book "A Divine Revelation of Hell" by Mary K. Baxter. You said you had not heard of it. This is an excellent book. It's short, easy to read, and very disturbing. It is a view of hell through binoculars, a closeup of the most awful place not imaginable. Hollywood could do no better. As christians we spend time visualizing what we are saved to, and rightly so, but spend little time seeing what we are saved from. We need both. In light of the short time that is left, this book has an urgency to it and shows us why there needs to be a tribulation. I recommend it for christian and nonchristian. Check it out, please.

You are doing a good job.

Incoming Email

>>There is no scripture that says, "there are two Raptures." You have to
>>study harder than that to figure it out. I think the easiest way to see
>>it is to look at Rev. 4:1 first. The "Come up hither" is the Pre-Trib
>>Rapture. Immediately they are in Heaven, "and, behold, a throne was set
>>in heaven" (Rev. 4:2).

I AGREE. there is NO scripture and there are not TWO Raptures... If it si NOT in the scriptures, then it doesn't exist. Scripture confirms scripture. if 2 raptures were true, God would clearly define them. Revelation 4 is the angel of the Lord telling John. "Come up Hither" The scripture clearly states that John is being shown what will come hereafter!

>>We can be sure that "Come up hither" means the Rapture because when
>>Moses and Elijah are resurrected and ascend "up to heaven" in Rev.
>>11:12, they are told the same thing, "Come up hither." They demonstrate
>>the reality of it. The Rapture involves both resurrection and ascension.

This is the two witnesses... you do not know who they are. You can guess but this is God's secret. There are alot of guesses... but we DO NOT know! God could choose someone from the current generation. I tend to think that it could be Elijah and Enoch since they never died and every man is appointed to death once according to Romans. But let us not make assumptions that are not scriptural.

Revelation 11 is happaneing just before the 7th seal and I agree that the two witnesses are dead then translated. Revelation 4 is John being brought in the Spirit into heaven to be shown what the Lord would have him write about!

>>The first trump of I Thess. 4:16 is not sounded by angels as the seven
>>trumpet judgments are. This trump is "the trump of GOD." Christ is doing
>>the calling, saying "Come up hither." This is the first Rapture. I think
>>it is a select group, the Bride of Christ. It is taken out of the Body
>>of Christ just as Adam's bride was taken out of his side.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE. this is the the Voice of God. he cannot be speaking and blowing a trumpet as well. the SEVENTH trumpet is the Trump of God. and the mystery that is completed in Revelation 10:7 is the same mystery.

This is AT THE END of THE TRIBULATION. THERE ARE NOT TWO CLASSES of CHRISTIANS. THIS IS A LIE. The Bride of Christ is ONLY going to be made without Spot or Wrinkle by going through the TRIBULATION.

>>The word for "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17 is "rapiemir" in my Latin
>>Bible. That is where our English word Rapture comes from.

If you research this and you are honest. this Latin word is from the Catholic Vulgate Bible. and it also contains the apocrapha. The Catholic is apostate and at least part of the Great Whore spoken of in the book of Revelation.

We must serve him in Spirit and in Truth! Why would you honestly use a Latin word? Do you think that it may be because there is NO Greek word? Maybe this pre-Trib Rapture concept is new (last 200 years?)

>>Christ has two comings where he sets his feet on Earth. At the Raptures,
>>he meets us in the air. However, Rev. 3:3 refers to a Rapture as when he
>>"will come upon thee."

This scripture is talking about REPENTANCE. and coming upon thee as a thief in the night is a Jewish idiom. What does a thief do? Doesn't he come in the night to destroy, steal, plunder? This is talking about the Lord's 2nd Coming. the destruction of the unrepentant! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PRE_TRIB RAPTURE!

>>If you want to take a chance on being caught up in the second Rapture,
>>that is ok, but as for me, I am watching, and he will not come on me as
>>a thief, and I shall know what HOUR he will come upon me.

I agree with part of this. THere is NO pre-Trib RAPTURE. this is talking about the Lord's 2nd Coming.

I am watching too for the Abomination of Desolation because that starts the timeline to Yahshua's 2nd Coming. that is what we are to watch for... I am also preparing.I am NOt go to be one of the 5 virgins who didn't have oil for their lamps. This requires spiritual preparation and physical preparation... As it was in the days of Noah. Noah had to build an Ark. with food and water to make it through the flood... HE WAS NOT RAPTURED. he had to see the people DIE. He was on the Ark during the entire flood. and it took almost a year for the flood to occur. and he was mocked for preparing!

And the one's that were marrying and giving in marriage were Destroyed because they did NOT heed to God's warnings to prepare spiritually nor physically!

>>Noah was taken up by the waters just as we will be taken up by the Holy
>>Spirit of Christ. He went though no Tribulation. The others on Earth did.

Physically Noah was on the EARTH... he had to see people that were destroyed all around him...HE WAS NOT RAPTURED... HE HAD TO BE HERE! BE HONEST ABOUT IT!

>>Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were saved in the fire. They represent
>>the Tribulation saints saved out of the fiery furnace when the pieces of
>>the asteroid fall on Earth (Rev.6:13).

THEY HAD TO GET INTO THE furnace to SHOW their LOVE of GOD! THIS IS WHAT THE TRIBULATION IS ALL ABOUT! These are the ONLY ONES!

>>My main message is for the Bride to get ready, that the Rapture might be
>>only 6 months away.

This is where my core problem is! The sheeple that believe the pre-Trib Rapture have a problem. they are NOT READY for what is to come spiritually nor physically. but God's grace may cover them. They Do NOT KNOW the God of this universe!

But the people who have websites and teach this garbage. have a responsibility! You will have to stand before the Lord Jesus Christ and give account for teaching fallacies or as Timothy says. Jewish Fables!

Can you gave me an example showing God removing someone from the trouble or calamity before it happened?

Enoch. Noah. Lot. Two-year old Jesus.

The scripture says NOTHING about ENOCH going into any trouble or testing! God DID NOT TRANSLATE (or change the bodies) of any of these other examples that you gave!

I pray that the Lord will lead you and many others out of this GREAT deception. I pray that the scales be removed from these many eyes so that they might see and understand your Word more clearly!

Lord Bless you and Keep you through the difficult times ahead!

My reply

> I STRONGLY DISAGREE. this is the the Voice of God. he cannot be speaking
> and blowing a trumpet as well

My God can. He is omnipotent. Rev. 4:1 says, "and the first voice which I heard was AS IT WERE OF A TRUMPET talking with me; which said, Come up hither." Those words "as it were" are symbolic language, just as "like" is symbolic language. Do you remember that Jesus talked to 5000 people at once and was heard?...

> THERE ARE NOT TWO CLASSES of CHRISTIANS. THIS IS A LIE.
> The Bride of Christ is ONLY going to be made without Spot or Wrinkle
> by going through the TRIBULATION.

The Laodiceans have to be in the Body of Christ before they can be spewed out of his mouth.

> Why would you honestly use a Latin word? Do you think that it may be because
> there is NO Greek word? Maybe this pre-Trib Rapture concept is new
> (last 200 years?)

I studied Latin two years. Many of our English words come from the Latin. You probably use them every day.

The Greek word "harpagesomepha," in I Thess. 4:17, means "shall be caught away." It is from "harpazo,' (Strong's #726, "to seize (in various applications):--catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)."

The Hebrew word "natzal" means to "snatch away" (Dr. Tabor's Note 9, page 17, Translation Sample from The Original Bible Project.)

Would you rather use the Greek word? the Hebrew word? the Latin word, or the English word? I can use any one you choose.

The Pre-Trib Rapture is not new within the last 200 years. Pseudo-Ephraem wrote "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World" about 374-627 A.D. He said, "All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

> >>Rev. 3:3 refers to a Rapture as when he "will come upon thee."

> This scripture is talking about REPENTANCE

I don't think so.

> I am watching too for the Abomination of Desolation because that starts the
> timeline to Yahshua's 2nd Coming. that is what we are to watch for.

By that time, it will be Mid-Tribulation. What you don't see is that "apostasia" in II Thess. 2:3 means "departing." While the Holy Spirit filled Christians are still here, we are the salt of the earth. Salt is used in bread to retard the growth of leaven. While we are here, we are restraining the growth of evil, hindering the appearance of the wicked one.

> Noah had to build an Ark. with food and water to make it through the flood.
> HE WAS NOT RAPTURED. he had to see the people DIE. He was on the Ark
> during the entire flood. and it took almost a year for the flood to
> occur. and he was mocked for preparing!

As you are mocking me for preparing.

> Physically Noah was on the EARTH. he had to see people that were destroyed all
> around him...HE WAS NOT RAPTURED. HE HAD TO BE HERE!
> BE HONEST ABOUT IT!

Jesus honestly said, "as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be....Then shall two be in the field (world); the one shall be taken, and the other left" (Mt. 24:37,40).

> >>My main message is for the Bride to get ready, that the Rapture might be
> >>only 6 months away.

> This is where my core problem is.! The sheeple that believe the pre-Trib
> Rapture have a problem... they are NOT READY for what is to come spiritually
> nor physically. but God's grace may cover them.
> They Do NOT KNOW the God of this universe!

I hope you are not meaning what you really said. Christ died for these people. They believe in him. They are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Nothing above the earth, below the earth or on the earth can change the fact that they know the God of this universe.

> The scripture says NOTHING about ENOCH going into any trouble or testing!

Exactly my point. You proved my case. Enoch represents those taken away and kept "from" the trial that is to come upon the whole earth during the Tribulation (Rev. 3:10).

I hope you are not a lawyer. You just lost your case.

PS: I forgot to mention that Isaiah 57:1,2 says, "THE righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away (acaph, fetched, gathered up, taken up, withdrawn) from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness." Also, Psalm 149:5 ties in with that for it says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds."

Incoming Email (11-21-97)

I think you are very dnangerous - a corrupter of the Word, a wolf in sheep' s clothing, A FALSE TEACHER!!!! Please explain 2 Thess 2:1-4 "1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2) That ye be not soon shaken in min,d or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand, 3) LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FRIST, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION"

Or you might try reading THE TEACHING OF THE APOSTLES, also known as the Didache.

16:1 {Be watchful} for your life;
16:2 {let your lamps not be quenched and your loins not ungirded, but be ye ready
16:3 for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh.
16:4 And ye shall gather yourselves together frequently, seeking what is fitting for your souls
16:5 for the whole time of your faith shall not profit you, if ye be not perfected at the last season.
16:6 For in the last days {the false prophets} and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate.
16:7 For as lawlessness increaseth, {they shall hate one another and shall persecute and betray.
16:8 AND THEN} the world-deceiver {SHALL APPEAR } as a son of God
16:9 {and shall work signs and wonders,} and the earth shall be delivered into his hands
16:10 and he shall do unholy things, which have never been since the world began.
16:11 Then all created mankind shall come to the fire of testing, and many shall be offended and perish
16:12 {but they that endure} in their faith {shall be saved} by the Curse Himself.
16:13 {AND THEN SHALL THE SIGNS} OF THE TRUTH (APPEAR}
16:14 first a sign of a rift in the heaven, then a sign of a voice of a trumpet, and thirdly a resurrection of the dead
16:15 yet not of all, but as it was said:
16:16 {The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him.
16:17 Then shall} the world {see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.}

OR, The Epistle of Barnabus, "The final stumbling block is near ... Therefor we are to pay attention in the last days; for the whole time of our faith will profit us nothing unless now in this lawless time we resist also the coming stumbling blocks...in order that the Black One (Antichrist) may not have a way of slipping in". (Barnabus, Epistle of Barnabus, 4:3-9)

OR, Irenaeus, "And they will...(speaking of the 10 kings of the Apocalyptic times) give their kingdom to the beast and PUT THE CHURCH TO FLIGHT." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 55:26.l)

Also, "But he indicates the number of the name now (666) in order that when this man comes we may avoid him by being aware who he is." (Irenaeus, Against Hersies, 5:30.4

Or Justin Martyr in his work, Dialogus with Trypho, 110, speaking of the of the Antichrist during the Tribulation period "The man of apostasy . . . shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against US THE CHRISTIANS."

OR Augustine in The City of God, XX, 23 "...the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, though for a short time, assails the church..."

These statements certainly DO NOT INDICATE a pre-tribulation rapture.

I would highly suggest you do some more study regarding this, instead of twisting Scripture to fit some far out idea that you have concocted and passed off as "truth".

The Lord will hold you responsible for your false teachings and those that follow you.

I don't doubt that you Love the Lord and "THINK" that you have received a vision and enlightenment from the Lord, but any teaching that contradicts Scripture is a FALSE TEACHING - and yours certainly contradicts the teaching of Scripture!!! Remember, Satan can also appear as an "angel of light".

You sister in the Lord,

My reply

> Please explain 2 Thess 2:1-4 "1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the
> coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2)
> That ye be not soon shaken in min,d or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor
> by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand, 3)
> LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT
> THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FRIST, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON
> OF PERDITION;..."

You do not understand that "apostasia" (translated "falling away" above) means "departure" and was so translated in Tyndale's translation, The Great Bible, Beza's translation, the Coverdale Bible, and other early translations.

The enemy would like for you to wait for the man of sin to be revealed. That will be in the middle of the Tribulation, and you will have missed the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> I don't doubt that you Love the Lord and "THINK" that you have received a
> vision and enlightenment from the Lord, but any teaching that contradicts
> Scripture is a FALSE TEACHING - and yours certainly contradicts the
> teaching of Scripture!!!

I don't think so.

Incoming Email (11-22-97)

I'd like to respond to the person who is so worried that you are dangerous.

I fail to see how Marilyn Agee is dangerous. Here is a lady who has spent much of her life studying the scriptures in many versions, some older than the King James version, with many other helps such as strongs and different lexicons etc. Many hours that I have slept in my bed she has been up poring over the scriptures late at night, rarely getting enough sleep, literally wearing her body out, while at the same time being a wife and raising a family. Now after many years, at an age when most are deciding how they are going to spend their retirement, she has decided to learn the difficult subject of HTML, and the building and maintaining of a web page, and chooses to answer all kinds of email in her spare time. Generally, a wolf in sheeps clothing has something to gain. Maybe money or fame or whatever. What has Marilyn to gain? She has never asked for money, yet she can't be very wealthy, or she would have gotten rid of her old MacIntosh computer and gotten a newer updated more powerful one. (It might be interesting to see what would happen if about three hundred of us sent her ten dollars apiece to buy a new computer.) It takes money to rent a server and the services of an ISP. Where does that come from, anonymous donors? Maybe, but I doubt it. Could she gain fame? She has no high visibility ministry. No tv, no radio. Instead, she has put her reputation on the line because she has a desire to share with those that are interested some things she has seen in the scriptures by the Spirit of God. She's a member of a Baptist church. Did you know that traditionally the Baptist denomination will all but crucify anyone that "sets a date", something by the way she has technically not done? She has repeatedly stated that the Lord does not have to come on any specific date, but that it "LOOKS" like He will come then. She is sharing what she sees. In all that's been said, she has preached Jesus, and Him crucified. I have never met Marilyn, and probably never will this side of Heaven. All I know of her is in her books and her web page. Where is the danger if someone states their opinion and we judge on our own if it is correct? The scripture says to "judge all things". If Marilyn is a corrupter of the Word and a False teacher, she has certainly paid a high price for it, physically, mentally, and emotionally. What have I paid? What have you paid?

I enjoyed reading your excerpts from the different books, such as the teaching of the Apostles, the epistle of Barnabus, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr etc. While these books have some neat nuggets of insight in them, however, these books are not Scripture. I doubt any of them have one Equadistant Lettering Sequence in them, which is a bold signature of God on his Word. And they were never consigned to the cannon of Scripture.

The Lord will hold us ALL responsible for ALL that we think and do. Nothing is hidden from Him. It seems to me that the advice of Gamaliel would apply here. Acts 5:38&39 (NAS) "And so in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action should be of men, it will be overthrown; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God." Verse 40 begins, "And they took his advice". Will you?

Incoming Email, Re: Ernest Martin's "Restoring the Orig. Bible"

I think many things emerge from putting the books in a proper order--including some of the things that ELM mentions in his book. One interesting point would be that the Hebrew Bible (O.T.) ends with the words: "Let him go up!" (2 Chron 36:23) which become very powerful words in terms of the Exile and eventual regathering. It is as if all Israel is invited to RETURN to the Land, as the Prophets declare. I also think having Daniel in the last section of the Tanak, with the Writings, is a powerful statement of what Daniel really deals with--these are "restoration" materials (Ezra, Nehemaih, 1 & 2 Chron) and as Zechariah and Haggai show us, so much of what was pictured in the Return from Exile in 515 B.C.E. is going to be repeated. Daniel then stands as the final KEY to that--looking to the future rather than being put in the section of the Prophets with the others. It is a very unique book and cosmically "diplomatic" in its intent--not merely "Prophecy" as understood earlier. The N.T. order is also significant with James, the brother of Jesus coming first--Paul, harder to be understood, later. There are various other things, such as realizing that Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings are among the Prophets--connecting to the wider view of Prophet--since Moses is the Great Prophet.

I looked at your new Web page with interest and will continue to follow your various proposals, but with much less certainty about it all than you exhibit. One nice thing about this is that Shavuot, 1998 is so close, and one way or the other your reconstruction of things will be tested. I just hope if it fails you will not throw in the towel, as has happend with others who have been so certain of a specific chronological system. Sometimes things can fit so well we are stunned when they don't work out.

Incoming Email, Re: ten virgin, laodicean parallel (11-21-97)

IF we as the church are to watch (be spiritual alert) for jesus return then much of the playing and entertainment we practice today in congregations across america must stop,american christians are so easily decieved by anything and anyone that comes along and the reason is,we have not listened to the voice of gods word,much of the blame lies with the pastors because of their efforts to please the people, jesus told the pastors to feed his sheep not entertain them.

My reply

We were members of a church we loved. The whole left side of the sanctuary was filled with young people. Our daughter accepted Christ at that church when she was small and still loved it when she was in college. In fact, after I found out when end-of-the-age events were likely to take place, the first one to come to our house to study the Bible with me met our daughter at that church. Music was pretty traditional. Everything was fine until a new pastor arrived on the scene. He downed the young people for many things, but especially their music.

What was the result? the church split. The very ones who had established that church in the first place left, my Sunday School teacher plus a few others, and started another church.

By that time, there were about a dozen young people coming to my house to study the Bible with me. I never said we would have Bible Study, or set a time. They came when they pleased. The coffee pot was always on, and we studied around the kitchen table.

They were mostly in their first year of college and called themselves the Jesus Freaks. Long hair and jeans were part of their culture. I knew I could not take them to our church, so we went to a couple of others.

In one, jammed to overflowing, there were young people wearing jeans sitting on the floor in the aisles and sitting outside on the ground listening to loud speakers. The love of God was palpable there. Everyone, young and old felt it. The music was more contemporary, but not too loud. It had a very Christ-centered message. I heard no complaints. Groups heard there have been the very ones to perform at crusades where people accepted Christ in droves. The church had to expand, first to a tent, then to a new building. This church is alive with young people and growing.

In the other church, our group sat down front in the first two rows on the left side. The pastor was a very good teacher. We were taught straight from Scripture and enjoyed it. After church, we all hugged each other as we said goodbye and everyone went to their own homes. In this church, the music was traditional. Not one in our group complained of that music. The whole service was enjoyed. Then some of the older people in the church began to complain. Here were these kids down front, carrying their Bibles, using them, well behaved but many wearing long hair and jeans. It just didn't look proper in their eyes. What did that matter? They had all found Christ, coming to him just as they were. They were eager to learn more about him. However, they were soon made to feel uncomfortable there.

After some time, my husband and I visited our old church, the one that split. That was the last time. We were horrified. There was no longer a whole section for young people, and there were only a few of them scattered here and there. They had been driven away by the rigidity of the new pastor. What happens to churches with no young people?

We are supposed to come to Christ as we are. He did not say change and then come to me. He did not say cut your hair and then come to me. He did not say to adhere to a set dress code and then come to me. He did not say you have to enjoy traditional music to come to me. He just said, "Come."

Every lamb in the flock needs to be fed. There needs to be more care for souls and less about hair, dress and certain forms of music. Some of both kinds of music, but please at a reasonably comfortable volume, will satisfy all. For me, I love all the old songs, but I also love "Majesty." It stands the hair up on my arms even now just thinking about it. There can be some compromise without dishonoring God. Let's put our attention on bringing in the sheaves and feeding the flock. Christ died for these people. We can be a bit tolerant for their soul's sake.

One church we have attended here has two morning church services. One is with contemporary music (too loud for my taste, but loved by my granddaughter), the other with traditional. People can take their choice. That seems to be a sensible solution.

Incoming Email

the clocks were very interesting. From that it seems that no matter the size of the circles being used, if you first draw a circle then add the same size circles surrounding it it will always take six circles to enclose the central circle. That's an interesting phenonomen and points up the number seven again. Seven doubtless is an important number with God. God bless.

Incoming Email

...I don't understand the significance of Sunday in "only time Pentecost falls on Sunday before the 40 years of probation end" God bless

My reply

If you look at the Jewish Talmudic calendar and check the date of Pentecost from now to 2007, the only time Sivan 6 falls on Sunday within this span of time is May 31, 1998 (Sivan 6, 5758).

I think that John played out the Rapture on Sunday in the Rapture Preview in Revelation, chapter one. In verse 10, John said, "I was (became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (Sunday, the first day of the week, the day the Lord was resurrected), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet." This is the voice of Christ heard in Rev. 4:1. It says, "and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither...And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven."

In the Preview in chapter one, John also immediately found himself in Heaven. He turned and in v. 12,13,16, said, "I saw seven golden candlesticks (the churches, v. 20); and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man (i.e., Christ)...And he had in his right hand seven stars ("the angels of the seven churches" v. 20).

The stars were in Christ's hand because he had just snatched them up. The candlesticks were all about him because they had just arrived in Heaven too.

Resurrection day, Sunday, is a perfect day for the resurrection of those asleep in Jesus whose bodies will be resurrected at the Rapture. In 30 A.D., Pentecost also happened to fall on Sunday.

Incoming Email

I finally finished reading your entire site. I fit it in anytime I could, and it still took me about 2 weeks! I will have to keep going over it to absorb more! Thank you for all of the information and answers to my previous questions. I have some information for you and some more questions....

Where did you find information and do your research on dispensation times? I think this is very important, and I would like to do a study myself.

I read that you were hoping to put a timeline up of past events and future events. Do you plan on doing this? I know I would really benefit from this, and I think it might show more correlations. The timeline I was thinking would be like your Bible chronology on your website, including the dispensations, day-years, etc. in a graphical timeline diagram. I think this would be fascinating to see!

Thank you for all of your work and study!

My reply

I started with the Scofield Bible notes and a chart given me by a friend. Then I read Clarence Larkin's Dispensational Truth. From there on, it was just me, Bob Miko (the young draftsman from our church who was the first of a group that came to study the Bible with me, who found out that the Dispensation of Innocence was outside the timeline of the Ages), and the Lord.

> I read that you were hoping to put a timeline up of past events and future events.

These charts are in my book Exit: 2007.

Incoming Email, Re: Your homepage

I just found your homepage while surfing the Net on my WEBTV. It is utterly fascinating!!! I learned more about God's Plan in the past two days than I have in 16 yeas of studyng prophecy. Thank you so much for all your hard work and research! I want to tell all my friends about your homepage, however, I do not know the proper "location" or "address," since I found it while searching under the general title of Bible Prophecy. Please e-mail me with the proper location, which I will forward to my friends (I am brand new to all of this "Internet" business, and I am befuddled as to how it all works. Please forgive my ignorance.) . God bless you real good, as my old German Uncle Adolph would say!!!! Thank you for your help.

My reply

I appreciate your kind words. It makes all my years of work worthwhile.(URL)

Incoming Email, Re: Date Setting

It is very interesting to read your web site about end time truths , but one thing I would like to ask you: How can you be so sure that May 31 on the day of Pentecost Rapture will occur? I was sent a book by Randy Bullock who said that Rapture will take place on May 14 , 1997 , and it did not happen . Then Randy wrote that must be an error in his calculation . In the past , there are some people who also made this kind of date setting . They said about 1988 , 1989 , 1992 etc. etc . It has been proved that they are all wrong !

And then you predicted that May 31 will be the day of Rapture . Are you fully aware of the mistakes some people made in the past ? How is your argumentation about this ?

As people who really love His appearing , I really rejoice if your prediction is true ( I am not criticizing you ... not at all ) . I really hope that there are only six months to go , but deep in my heart I feel a little uncertainty because the experiences in the past with date setting people . Are you going to just like those date setters in the past ?

Dear Marilyn , please give me some explanation concerning your position in this area of date setting . Is it more safe to say that the time of His coming is very very very close , without mentioning a special date ??? Thank you for your kind attention . I shall look forward eagerly to hearing from you . God bless you !

My reply

> Are you fully aware of the mistakes some people made in the past ?

Yes. Evidently you have not read my book Exit:2007. And I exchanged email with Randy and told him I did not think it would happen when he thought it would.

> Is it more safe to say that the time of His
> coming is very very very close , without mentioning a special date ???

Without a doubt. But in a darkened room, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not." What would you do if that happened to you?

Incoming Email

Re: Gulf War ...Do you make anything of this?
One of my patients yesterday said that his mother was a now 89 year old preacher with a Nazarene background who had a lot of power with God. On a couple of occasions conditions for which I was treating him without medical reasons were reversed, e.g. an abnormal electrocardiogram became normal after she prayed for him. A second time a chipped bone in his knee corrected itself after she prayed. The pain and swelling disappeared and his range of motion normalized overnight.

He said that the Lord had spoken to him repeatedly over the years and it always came true. He said that during the Gulf War he felt an urge to calculate some figures, using a thousand years concept as a day. He divided 1000 by 24 hours and came up with the number 41.666666667. He suddenly became convinced that the gulf war would last "one hour", using the Revelation prophecy that Babylon would be destroyed in one hour. He pointed to the idea that Babylon is in Iraq and that the merchants stood "afar off" and mourned the loss of their merchandizing (oil). Then he felt that the gulf war would last about 42 days and told his Sunday school class that he felt this. Then he was pleased afterward to see that it lasted 41 + 16/24 days before the fighting was stopped. (I don't know whether this is correct or not). I pointed out to him that God might give several types of the real thing, but that I felt that "Babylon" was still to be destroyed "in one hour" literally as fulfillment of the prophecy in Revelation.

I think that it is interesting, however, that these figures worked out like that, although a little construed in their application, such as uing 1000 as a "day" with 24 hours in the first to attain the 41.66667 result then converting that number to days to predict the end of the fighting in the Gulf War which he felt was significant in the end times. I find that also interesting is that Daniel's 70th week is divided into two 42 months periods.

Do you make anything of all of this, or is it just coincidence?

My reply

As for healing, God heals whatever/whomever he pleases. It is because we ask, and in certain cases, he chooses to do it for his own reasons, not that anyone has powers on their own to heal. We cannot yell, "Be healed" and make him comply with our wishes. That is not some magic formula that brings it about. God makes his own decisions.

> He suddenly became convinced that the gulf war would last "one hour"

Since Jesus said, "What, could ye not watch with me one hour?" (Mt. 24:36), it seems that the 41+ years make sense for the period for watching since the Sign of the End of the Age. (1967 + 41.66 = 2008.66)

If I remember right, the Gulf War lasted 100 hours, or 4.166 days. That is an interesting figure in itself. Since only the decimal point is changed, it may be to call attention to that area. God does not miss a trick in giving us hints.

It is true that Babylon is to be destroyed within the last 41.66 years that we are to watch, but it is not gradual. It is not even spread over 41.66 days. It is sudden. Babylon is to be wiped out in one literal hour, when the asteroid hits. It has to be built up as the world capital before that. It will be a world market, holding fairs for countries to display their goods. More than oil will be on the merchant's minds. "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more" (Rev. 18:11).

When the time of destruction comes, the "kings of the earth, who have committed fornication (joined with her) and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning. Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come" (Rev. 18:9,10).

> Daniel's 70th week is divided into two 42 months periods.

This is to mark the time when Satan is cast out of heaven, enters into the False Prophet and pulls off his coup to take over as leader of the world church and the world government.

Incoming Email

I'm thirteen years old. I saw your e-mail address on a site about "The Signifigance of 400s". I got to the site through Virtual Church (Virtual Church). You seem to know a lot about the rapture and the tribulation (A lot more than I do, anyways). I've read Revelation at least a dozen times, but it's so cryptic. So, I just have a question for you, and if you get a chance, please send an answer. Here goes:

When the Rapture of the church happens, will there be any Christians that God has chosen to be left behind in order to minister to people? Are there varying opinions on the answer to this question, or does pretty much everyone agree on one answer?...Thanks.

My reply

Yes, the Laodiceans will be left behind at the Rapture because of their lukewarmness. They are told to be zealous.

Yes, there are varying opinions. Some think the Laodiceans were never saved, but they have to be in the Body of Christ to get spewed out of his mouth.

What you need to do to understand Revelation is read my book "Revelation 2000." It has a pub date of Jan. 1, 1998. Look at the Contents page and some of the first chapter at: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/mk.html

There is a key to understanding the book that, as far as I know, no one else figured out ahead of me. That is explained at that URL also. This key shows that the Rapture is on Sunday and reveals who the seven kings are in Rev. 17. That is there too.

Incoming Email

No man knoweth the time or date except the FATHER

My reply

What tense is "knoweth"?

Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour KNOWETH no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

"KNOWETH" is present tense. On that day no man knew. However, the clues to everything are in the Bible. Jesus also said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things."

What will you withhold from "ALL"? What can you?
Daniel 12:10 says that "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." You have every chance of understanding in your favor. If you believe in Christ, you already have the indwelling Holy Spirit to help you. Even the Jewish month and day of the month of the Second Advent are in Scripture.

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