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Valerie Skrzyniak wrote:
Hi Marilyn: As soon as I heard about you grandaughter, Brandi, I have been praying for a total and complete recovery. In Jesus name I pray it will be a speedy one. As mother's and grandmother's we feel grief, for our children and their children when they are suffering. Jesus loves his children and holds them very close to His heart.

Suffer the little children to come unto me. He loves these little ones, so very much, for they are so dear to him. "Please Lord, heal and strengthen Brandi, and bring back, joy and peace to her family in Jesus holy name I pray." Amen.

I would also like to share a wonderful dream I had on Sept lst,1999 about Jesus Coming. Hope it blesses you and all who read it as much as it has blessed me. Attached is a copy of the original I sent to the five doves site. It reads as follows:
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I Had the most AMAZING AND wonderful dream this morning Sept 1st.

I saw Rev. Ernest Angley, a Holy Spirit filled preacher, who has the gift of healing and miracles. He seemed to be wrestling with this demonic spirit which was trying to take his life. Nobody was coming to his aid. I had to do something to help him to save him from being killed. I started to fight this demonic spirit, but as I did, Rev. Angley cried out to me, "TAKE MY HAND, YOU NEED POWER FROM ON HIGH TO FIGHT IT. I GRABBED HOLD OF HIS HAND AND FELT THE POWER OF GOD FLOWING THROUGH MY RIGHT HAND IT WAS SO AMAZING. IN MY MIND I THOUGHT, WOW THIS IS HOW IT MUST OF FELT WHEN ELISHA GOT HIS DOBULE PORTION FROM ELIJAH.

THE DEMON SPIRIT DISAPPEARED AND I FOUND MYSELF LAYING HANDS ON SO MANY PEOPLE AND FELT THE POWER OF GOD SURGE THROUGH MY HAND, AND ALL WERE HEALED. HOWEVER, I HAD EXPERIENCED SOME PAIN IN MY BODY AND WAS WONDERING IF GOD WOULD HEAL ME?

THEN OUT OF THE BLUE SKY I SAW JESUS COMING, A BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT KEEPT GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AS IT CAME CLOSER AND CLOSER. HE WAS COMING ON A CLOUD. I SHOUTED " LOOK, JESUS IS COMING, LOOK IT'S JESUS' TO THE PEOPLE AROUND ME AS HE DESCENDED LOW ENOUGH BUT NOT TOUCHING THE EARTH, HIS FEATURES OF HIS FACE AND BODY WERE ILLUMINATED AND THEN I FELT HEALED AND HIS LIGHT ENVELOPED ME COMPLETELY, LIKE A GREAT FLASH OF LIGHT......the dream was over and I woke up so amazed.

WHEN I AWOKE, I STILL FELT THE POWER SURGING THROUGH MY RIGHT HAND, IT IS SOME AMAZING. I PUT MY HANDS ON MY ACHES AND PAINS ON MY BODY AND FELT GREAT RELIEF. I ALSO PRAYED OVER MY DAUGHTER, FOR HER STOMACH PROBLEM AND SHE FEELS BETTER.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL POWER ON HIGH, THE GOOD LORD, HAS MERCY ON HIS CHILDREN. I BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON, PRAISE THE LORD.

PLEASE, IF ANYONE HAS DREAMS OF JESUS SOON RETURN ALSO, PLEASE POST THEM IT BRINGS JOY TO MY SOUL, TO KNOW THE LORD JESUS IS ON HIS WAY.

MARANATHA! AGAPE, Valerie

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Thanks for sharing your dream with me, also for your prayers for Brandi.

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Re: Rev 12
I have just recently finished Revelations 2000, and I must say that I have enjoyed reading the book very much. I believe God has given you an ability to put facts from the Word together. During this time and situations that are currently happening throughout the world, I do have a question to ask. Are you aware of the arrangement of the stars/constellations that are described in Rev. 12, that will be in the specified order happening over Jerusalem this Sept. 12th? If you are, could you share your thoughts with me? From what I understand, it has been 26,000 years since this particular arrrangement has happpened, and it will be another 26,000 before it happens again. It seems as if God is giving His people a clear sign. I just found your web-site, so if you've already addressed this, please forgive me. I will visit often. Thank you and God bless.

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I think Rev. 12 begins in the middle of the Tribulation, when Satan is cast out of Heaven (12:9).

In Green's Interlinear, Rev. 12 says, "And a great wonder appeared in Heaven --(lit., in THE Heaven)." It does not seem to be the heavens, but Heaven itself. A "woman (those of Israel that were part of the Pre-Trib Rapture, whose representatives are the 12 patriarchs) clothed with the sun (i.e., Heaven is in our solar system), and the moon under her feet (i.e., Heaven is farther from the Sun than the Moon). And on her head was a crown of twelve stars." Crowns are awarded at the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:4), so it has already taken place. The twelve stars represent the twelve elders of Israel (Gen. 37:9,10), who are seated on their thrones at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The representatives of the church are the twelve apostles.

"And she was with child, and she cried, being in labor and in pain to bring forth. And another wonder appeared in Heaven -- and behold! A great red dragon which had seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads!" This is Mid-Trib, when the seventh head (the False Prophet) comes into full power.

"And his tail (Satan) drags the third part of the stars (the fallen angels) of the sky. And he threw them onto the earth (Mid-Trib). And the dragon stands in front of the woman (Israel) who is ABOUT TO BEAR (Mid-Trib), so that when she should bear her child, he might eat it. And she brought forth a male (maybe Moses, who is killed and resurrected Mid-Trib, Rev. 11:12), A SON WHO IS GOING TO SHEPHERD all the nations with a rod of iron (under Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords, and then under David, the Prince, during the Millennium). And her child was caught away to God and His throne." Both Moses and Elijah are caught up to Heaven 3 1/2 days after the False Prophet kills them (Rev. 11:9,12). In the Millennium, the church, also under Christ, the King of kings, will also "rule them with a rod of iron" (Rev. 2:27).

We get just a few hints here and there about the hierarchy that will be set up in the Millennium. Jer. 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Eze. 37:24 says, "And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have ONE SHEPHERD (David): they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them...and my servant David shall be their PRINCE for ever." Eze. 34:23-25 says, "I will set up ONE SHEPHERD over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant DAVID; he shall feed them, and he shall be their SHEPHERD. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. And I will make with them a COVENANT OF PEACE, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land." It seems that Christ will be the King of kings and Lord of lords, David the shepherd king and prince, Moses a shepherd under David, those of the first Rapture kings and priests over certain cities, and those of the second Rapture priests.

"And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she has a place (Petra, in Edom) made ready by God, so that there they should take care of her a thousand two hundred and sixty days (the last half of the Tribulation). And there was war in Heaven (lit., the Heaven): Michael and his angels made war against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels made war. And they did not prevail, nor was their place found in Heaven (lit., the Heaven) any more. And the great dragon was thrown out, the old serpent who is called the devil, and Satan -- who leads the whole world astray. He was thrown into the earth, and his angels were thrown out with him. And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, has been accomplished -- because the accuser of OUR BROTHERS is thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their life, even unto death. Because of this, rejoice O heavens, and YOU WHO LIVE IN THEM (those that were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, plus Moses and Elijah). Woe to those who live on the earth and in the sea (nations), because the devil has come down to you. And he has great anger, knowing that he has only a short time" (3 1/2 years).

"And when the dragon saw that he was thrown onto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the manchild. And two wings of the great eagle (i.e., of an airplane) were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness into her place (Petra) -- where she is taken care of for a time, and times and half a time (3 1/2 years), from the face of the serpent" (Satan, who enters into the False Prophet).

"And the serpent put out water from his mouth like a river to go after the woman, so that he might cause her to be carried away with the river. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon put forth out of his mouth. And the dragon was angry with the woman and went to war with the rest of her children who keep the commandments of God, and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Since Edom, Moab, and the chief of Ammon escape out of the Satan-possessed False Prophet's hand (Dan. 11:41), the place where the earth opens up to swallow up the river may be a section of the Great Rift Valley east and south of Jerusalem. Rev. 11 23 says, "And the same hour (when Moses and Elijah are caught up to Heaven) was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city (Jerusalem) fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand."

Since in the Millennium, there is to be water coming out from the temple and healing the Dead Sea, and there are to be fish thriving in the Dead Sea (Eze. 47:8,10), I wonder if an outlet is created between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba in the Mid-Trib earthquake. An outlet could be cut through by the waters overflowing the land because of the asteroid impacting the Mediterranean on the Day of God's Wrath, and the worldwide earthquake of that day, but it could be started Mid-Trib and deepened on the Day of God's Wrath also.

After the idol is placed at the temple, those in Judea will only have 3 1/2 days to clear out of that area before the earthquake kills 7000 (Rev. 11:9-13). When the Bible says to flee, they had better flee fast. Mt. 24:20 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." I think the temple will be desecrated Cheshvan 23. 5765, our Sun., Nov. 7, 2004. It is not in the winter or on Saturday.

Adding the 3 1/2 days would bring the date to Cheshvan 27, the very day when the earth was dried in Noah's day. Chances are good that this flood of the Mid-Tribulation will be swallowed up on the anniversary of that day.

> Are you aware of the arrangement of the stars/constellations that are described in
> Rev. 12, that will be in the specified order happening over Jerusalem this Sept. 12th?

Since the alignment in the heavens Sept. 12 is a rare one, and it reminds us of Rev. 12:1 and the "Come up hither" of Rev. 11:12, it is possible that it could be a sign to us that the events of Revelation are drawing near. The Rapture of Rev. 4:1 will be first on the agenda.

The rare planetary lineup of the Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus is due May 5, 2000. It too may be a sign. Both of these celestial events will be in the Jewish Year 5760.

We must get ready, stay ready and stay alert as the final status agreement concerning Jerusalem draws ever closer. The rough draft may be revealed just before the Rapture. It could end up giving us a seven-day warning.

The agreement just signed sets a Feb. 15, 2000, goal for a framework agreement on permanent status. However, delays can happen. Just keep watching and earning rewards. Things are clicking right into place. Agape

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I'm still waiting for rapture

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So am I. Looks to me like it will be next Pentecost. Christ only spoke in the third year in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. He said that he came LOOKING in the first two years, and he neither comes nor looks in the fourth year.

If he is watching us intently now, it may be to judge who is to be chosen as the Bride of Christ. The judge standeth at the door. We had better get ready and stay ready.

Even though it looks to me like the Rapture will be in the spring because of Song of Sol. 2:10-14, I hope I am wrong, and it will be this month. Be ready, just in case. Don't have one sin that has not been confessed and brought under the blood of Christ.

"And above all things have fervent charity (agape love, God's love) among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins" (I Peter. 4:8). Agape

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I have done a fair amount of reading at your site and have found it to be very thought provoking and enjoyable. I have a question that may be common knowledge and old news to many and possibly covered in your material, but if so I missed it.

You have indicated that it is your belief that the six day war of 1967 was a sign from God to signal the soon coming final countdown of earth history. I believe that you may be correct. My question is this: Which six days of the week does history recognize as beginning and ending the war? This could be significant since God identified the sabbath day (Saturday) in the old testiment to be a sign between Him and Israel , (Ezekiel 20:20). What does history record as far as the days and in your opinion are they significant? Thanks

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Thanks for those kind words.

I don't know if the day number of the week is significant or not, but the Six-Day War began Monday, June 5, 1967 (Iyar 26, 5727). They took the rest of Jerusalem on the 7th. The war is important, because that was the first time modern Israel grew large enduring leaves and fulfilled Mt. 24:32-34. Getting control of the rest of Jerusalem is important, because it fulfilled "the times of the Gentiles" of Lu. 21:24. No matter what happens after that, I think those two things were fulfilled in that war.

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First, there may be some significance to this chronological fact from New Age Bible Versions, by G.A. Riplinger:  "God closed the Old Testament canon 389 years before Christ's first coming.  And now, he gives us the 1611 KJV in these last days', in the world's universal language, 389 years before his second coming in the 6,000th year..."  Odd coincidence, huh?

Second, a question regarding the account of the transfiguration:  what is God trying to tell us by the two separate accounts, one where it says it happened six days after Jesus' statement that some in his presence would not taste death till they saw him in his glory, and the other that says the event happened about 8 days later.....also, is it possible that Moses, the great lawgiver, represents those who have died and whose lives are hidden in Christ as Paul says (Moses died and God buried him in an unknown location), and Elijah represents those who are alive at Christ's second coming?  Just wondering what you thought about the prophetic symbolism of this bible story.

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> "God closed the Old Testament canon 389 years before Christ's first coming.

Are you sure they have their facts right? Scofield has BC 397. I haven't researched this, so I can't decide at the present time if this is right or wrong.

> regarding the account of the transfiguration

Mt. 17:2 says, "AFTER six days." Mark 9:2 says, "AFTER six days." Lu. 9:28 says, "ABOUT an eight days AFTER." Would seven days satisfy them all?

There seem to be seven good years and seven bad years. I think the good years began with the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. If 1994 was the first year, 1995 the second, 1996 the third, 1997 the fourth, 1998 the fifth, 1999 the sixth and 2000 the seventh, we could be very close to the Rapture, prefigured by the Transfiguration. Lu. 9:28 says, "And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went UP into a mountain." Look at the first chapter of Revelation. There in the Preview of the Rapture, is the way Christ will look. Does that remind you of the Transfiguration at all?

> is it possible that Moses...represents those who have died and whose lives are hidden
> in Christ...and Elijah represents those who are alive at Christ's second coming?

I think the "Come up hither" ties them to a Rapture, not the Second Coming. At either Rapture, Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath, there are those asleep in Jesus plus the living believers. The two witnesses will demonstrate what the "Come up hither" means. This gives us hope because we believe that what Scripture says will come true. It will also give hope to the Tribulation saints that will be taken up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. This hope will help sustain those that have to flee from Judea during their days of hiding in the wilderness. They will know that the Rapture is real when they hear the news of the resurrection and ascension of the two witnesses.

There is another lesson in this. The peace covenant is for seven years. Moses and Elijah are killed after the first 3 1/2 years, and resurrected after 3 1/2 days. As their enemies behold them, they ascend up to Heaven (Rev. 11:12).

Some people have made the mistake of thinking that these two witnesses prophesy during the last half of the Tribulation, when it must be the first half. The last half is to be shortened from 1260 days to 1040 days (2300 {Dan. 8:14] - 1260 [Rev. 11:3] = 1040). Their ministry would not fit into the last part. These two would be recipients of the wrath of God, and that could never be.

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How do you feel about the possible final peace agreement with israel as it pertains to prophecy? Where are the updates for today? Thanks, be blessed

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I think the final status agreement will be confirmed as the Seventieth Week of Daniel begins on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. Counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 is 2300 days, as in Dan. 8:14.

I uploaded two Pro and Cons after 11:00 PM last night, when phone rates are less. I cannot post every day. I do the best I can. Agape

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D. Goheen wrote:
Great site. I will revisit when I have time to read more. I found it looking for Yassar Arafat's middle name after discovering that both his first and last names contain six letters. Do you know his middle name? Many thanks.

My reply

No. That is one I can't recall if I ever heard it. Maybe someone will know and email it to you.

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Hi Marilyn, praying that you and Ed and family, especially your little granddaughter are doing well. I have prayed for all of you. A thought occurred to me a short while ago: the tribulation will be a horrific time on earth, when the wrath of God is poured out. I think that our great God will be comforted to have us about Him at that time. So many people on the earth, all created by God, and God is not willing that any should perish. It must grieve His Heart that so many will not turn to Him. When He receives us unto Himself, and takes us to Heaven, I think that our love and adoration will help Him, as He unleashes the punishment on earth. This is just a thought, as no scriptures come to my mind, and I have not checked my Strong's Concordance for references. Looking up, watching, and praying, In His Love

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Thanks for your prayers....

What you said about the Lord and our love and adoration sounds reasonable. Psa. 149 says, PRAISE ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints....For the LORD TAKETH PLEASURE IN HIS PEOPLE."

Look at what else it says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD." Agape

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I noticed with interest the "treaty" with the plo. I read yesterday that Sept. 13th is the day they start giving away some land.7%, until Jan. or Feb. when its 40%. Also, I'm sure some people think that since it was signed Sept. 4th, that was our 7 day warning. Maybe? We'll see. Love

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Thanks a bunch. I knew that this agreement was signed Sept. 4, but had no idea what they call it or the provisions. Sept. 13 is an interesting date. The Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993. Adding the 7 good years brings us to Sept. 13, 2000. During the good years, Joseph took up 1/5th of the grain. I expect the Rapture before the Jewish year of 5760 expires. Adding the 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13. 2007, which is also Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. I think that is the Day of God's Wrath.

In 1993, the Oslo Accords were ratified three days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768.

I hope this was a 7-day warning for the Rapture, but it seems to be a 7-day warning before the year 5760 starts Sept. 11, no matter what else happens. We will soon know whether it marks the day or the year. I think it marks the year, but let's be ready, just in case it marks the Pre-Trib Rapture.

I think Rapture II takes place on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. It is not inconceivable that both Raptures could take place on Trumpets. I think Trumpets in 2007 is the day of the Marriage of the Lamb. Both Raptures could take place on the Feast of Trumpets.

However, so much happens on the one that starts the Millennium, it is fulfilled by more things than any other feast. Since Israel was expoused to the Lord on Pentecost, I think Pentecost has the edge over Trumpets for the Pre-Trib Rapture. Things happened to Israel for examples for us at the end of this age (I Cor. 10:11). Verse 12 warns, "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." Israel fell into worshipping the golden calf, and Moses broke the stone tablets. This should be a warning to us.

Sept. 10/11 is marked in our family. My dad's birthday is Sept. 10. The Jewish Tishri 1 starts at 6:00 PM the 10th. Ed's stepfather's birthday is Sept. 11. Since our son David's birthday is Apr. 6, the date of the Crucifixion and Second Advent of the great son of David, the Lord Jesus Christ, and our daughter's birthday is May 29, the date of Sivan 7, Pentecost, in 30 AD, it makes me wonder all the more....

I think Tishri 1 is Jesus' birthday. It is an important date. We celebrated both Jesus' and Brandi's birthdays one year with the biggest party we ever had.

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We can now click at any time to see what time it is in Jerusalem, on Prophecy Central.  Has its own little heading.

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bramlett@magicnet.net wrote:

Ron Reese of Maranatha Ministries called me today and suggested there may have been a seven-day warning to the rapture (or third, or seventh millennial day) as many have hoped, similar to the seven-day warning given to Noah before the flood (Genesis 7:9-10).

He reminded me that the latest treaty between Israel and the PLO was signed on Saturday, September 4, 1999, EXACTLY SEVEN DAYS before Rosh HaShannah, September 11!

Not only that, there are two significant things about it:

1. It was signed at "the midnight hour," or at most just 1-2 minutes after midnight according to a news report, essentially at midnight.

2. And this is really amazing. In announcing the signing, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak repeated the biblical phrase "peace and security." This is straight out of I Thessalonians 5:3: "For WHEN THEY SHALL SAY, peace and safety (or security, Strong's Concordance); then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

This news report said:

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (AP) - Describing the peace treaty he had just signed with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to the world, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak repeated the phrase "peace and security." Describing the same treaty to his people, he spoke of "security and peace."

Jim

My reply

Thanks for this information. I am wondering what they call this treaty....

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