Pro and Con 386

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Praise the Lord for Brandi's recovery!
As to your opening note in pro/con 384--the dates you cited are new to me. I've been following every news report since last weekend and every one I have read has the target date for the framework for the final status as February 15,2000, and the final status of Jerusalem etc. as Sept.13,2000 (1 year from this Monday Sept.13 when the final status talks are to be launched.) This is current info;I just read it again this morning on the C.N.N news.Just wondering where the Jan.13 date came from, and that the final status would be concluded 1 year from That date.Till He comes

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Yes! Praise the LORD! Brandi has some fungus on her hands and feet because of all the antibiotics, but she was able to come here for her usual weekend visit with her dad. Dave is giving her lots of vitamins, acidophilus+, Echinacea, live-culture yogurt and Gatorade. She ate lots of bananas when she started eating again in the hospital. She is putting apple cider vinegar on her hands and feet. She is craving pickles and "block cheese" (Longhorn), maybe for salt and calcium (she isn't big on drinking milk). We are so thankful, she seems to have had no damage to her brain from the high temperature. Her leg and hand ache, but otherwise, she seems pretty good to us. She took Ed and I out to Jack in the Box for lunch. Ed and Brandi have planned steak and green-bean cassarole, plus some other vegetables for supper. They counted calories as they planned. For this morning, they planned our once-in-awhile breakfast treat, biscuits, cream gravy, bacon and eggs. She said she was going to eat four biscuits and gravy, and I think she did. Just now, she told me she doesn't get as tired as they made her think she would, and said maybe for six months. She said that she does get tired easy, but it is not that bad. If she did have Mono, the Lord must have shortened her recovery time in answer to all our prayers. She was praying too.

Re WYE 2. Sorry, I will fix that and UL this. You got it better than I did. Thanks for letting me know. I think I now have it straight. Here is a snip from the official text of the Wye 2 agreement. I'm grateful that someone very nice sent the URL that enabled me to get it at
iii. The two Sides will make a determined effort to conclude a Framework Agreement on all Permanent Status issues in five months from the resumption of the Permanent Status negotiations;

iv. The two Sides will conclude a comprehensive agreement on all Permanent Status issues within one year from the resumption of the Permanent Status negotiations;

v. Permanent Status negotiations will resume after the implementation of the first stage of release of prisoners and the second stage of the First and Second Further Redeployments and not later than September 13, 1999. In the Wye River Memorandum, the United States has expressed its willingness to facilitate these negotiations.
Part v. has Permanent Status negotiations resuming Sept. 13, 1999. Part iii. has the Framework Agreement five months from Sept. 13. That is Feb. 13. I had counted by inclusive reckoning to get Jan. 13. I doubt that they will do it that way. The one year in part iv. is counted from Sept. 13, 1999.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. If we add 7 for the good years, they will end on Sept. 13, 2000. It would be a very logical date for the Final Status Agreement to be signed. I think the Rapture will happen before that. The 7 bad years would end on Sept. 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. I think the Tribulation Pope will confirm the Final Status Agreement on Pentecost, 2001. That could be the anniversary of the Rapture. Hope so. Things keep clicking into place.

Thanks again for your prayers. Agape

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FWD: Good Friday is a Myth, Jesus Died on a Wednesday!! by Roy A. Reinhold


One of the most common questions asked by new Christians is, "How could Jesus have been in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights if He died on a Friday afternoon and rose before sunrise on a Sunday?"...Jesus would have died in the late afternoon on a Friday. This late afternoon death is consistent with the Passover lamb being killed between the two evenings of Jewish teaching. The lamb was killed between 3 and 6 PM on the afternoon of the 14th of Abib/Nisan and prepared, because the 15th was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was an annual Sabbath observance (the first and last days of Unleavened Bread were annual Sabbaths in addition to the normal weekly Sabbaths)....The Passover...foretold that Jesus would die exactly on the 14th of Abib/Nisan and that the day following was an annual Sabbath....this annual Sabbath did not fall on the weekly Sabbath, in the year that Jesus died.

***From Marilyn: But, it did. Passover and Unleavened Bread were Friday and Saturday. Mt. 28:1 literally says, "IN the end of the SABBATHS, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week."

***I believe the Crucifixion was on Thursday in 30 AD. "And it was the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER" (Nisan 13) (Jn. 19:14). Jesus died as the first lambs were being killed about 3:00 PM on the afternoon of Thursday, Nisan 13. The lambs were killed literally "between the evenings," between 3:00 and 6:00 PM, roasted, then eaten between 6:00 PM and midnight as the 14th began. Jn. 19:31 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an HIGH DAY,)". That day was Passover, when all males were to go up to Jerusalem. Thursday was the Crucifixion. Friday was the high day, the Passover. Saturday was the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Sunday was the Feast of Firstfruits.

..."as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:38-40...This promise meant that 72 hours would pass from His death to His resurrection....This would necessitate the crucifixion on a Wednesday, then the daylight and nighttime periods of Thursday, Friday, and Saturday would be three days and three nights. We count from either His actual death shortly after 3 PM or from the time His body was laid in the tomb, shortly before the annual Sabbath began.

***The Bible does not say 72 hours. As Jews count days, there were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day) and Sunday (night). Everything fits perfectly.

You'll notice that the above text from Matthew 27, recorded that the chief priests met with Pilate the morning after the crucifixion to get permission to post a guard and seal the tomb. The Bible records that this was the day after the day of preparation. This day of preparation is the 14th of Abib/Nisan, when the homes were scoured for any leavened bread within the house and a preparation of food was readied for the Feast of Unleavened Bread [Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, 31, 42].

***The Jews were very careful about the leaven. It was their custom to conduct the "Bediqath Hametz," the search for leaven, on Nisan 12. When every particle was thrown out, the next day, Nisan 13 had to be a day of unleavened bread too. This is why some writings of the first few centuries afterward mentioned eight days of unleavened bread instead of seven. The Orthodox Jews still keep Passover eight days. Nisan 13 was "the first (prote, before, prior) day of unleavened bread, WHEN THEY KILLED THE PASSOVER" (Mk. 14;12). In Ex. 12:15, it says, "even the first (lit., prior) day." The word "drishon" means before, past, former, prior. It was the prior day of unleavened bread (Thursday, Nisan 13, PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER), the day "WHEN THEY KILLED THE PASSOVER."

Therefore, the grave of Jesus was not sealed until the morning of the 15th of Abib/Nisan, on the annual Sabbath. In the text from John 19, we learn that the body of Jesus needed to be removed from the cross because the Sabbath was about to begin and that Sabbath was a high day or annual Sabbath. This is consistent with the other verses which teach that the day of preparation was the day that Jesus died. Now we only need to determine whether the annual Sabbath and weekly Sabbath fell on the same day, which would lead us to the conclusion that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon, shortly after 3 PM as commonly taught. If not, then He died on another day of the week.

The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31

And Nicodemus came also, who had first come to Him by night; bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. And so they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. John 19:39-40

And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave. Matthew 27:59-61

And Joseph bought a linen sheet, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen sheet, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid. Mark 15:46-47

And it was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. Luke 23:54-56

In totality, the above verses together give us the complete picture of what happened after Jesus' death, how His body was prepared for burial, and who observed this process. It is extremely important to notice that none of the above texts alone gives the complete story, and that you have to read all together to get the whole story. Joseph took Jesus' body after receiving permission from Pilate, bought a linen sheet, and bound the body with Nicodemus' assistance. Nicodemus had brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes, which they bound with the body.

***Mk. 15:46 says, "And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and WRAPPED HIM in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre." It does not say a linen sheet. The word "entulisso," translated "wrapped," means to twist, to entwine, i.e., wind up in. Jesus was wrapped like a mummy in spice soaked strips of linen, as was their custom. Lazarus walked out of the tomb by himself. Then they unwrapped him. Each leg was wrapped separately. It was the same here. The spices hardened, so when Peter and John saw "the linen clothes lying" (Jn. 20:5,6), the windings were like an empty cast. "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple (John, 'whom Jesus loved,' v. 2), which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed" (Jn. 20:7,8). The writer, the apostle John, saw the empty cast and believed. Seeing this was something neither John nor Peter could forget. They knew that no mere man could come out of those wrappings and leave them intact. Lazarus didn't. Jesus came out of the wrappings the same way he later went through a wall or door "when the doors were shut" (John 20:19).

The tomb was near where Jesus was crucified, and belonged to Joseph who had carved this tomb out of rock. It was a new tomb that had never before been used. Also, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses accompanied the body from the cross and watched the entire process of burial. When Jesus' body was laid in the tomb, then Joseph, assisted by Nicodemus, rolled a large stone in front of the tomb opening and left. Finally, the two Mary's left and prepared spices and perfumes, before resting on the Sabbath. Up to this point, we have no evidence that the annual Sabbath and weekly Sabbath did not fall on the same day as traditionally taught.

The next collection of verses will explore the role of the women in preparing spices and perfumes with which they intended to anoint the body of Jesus.

And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared. and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. Luke 23:56, 24:1-2

Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garment as white as snow; and the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. Matthew 28:1-4

And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?" And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. Mark 16:1-4

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. And so she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." John 20:1-2

You may have to reread the above verses to notice that the women who had watched Jesus' body being laid in the tomb, prepared perfumes and spices. The Mark 16 text says that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary bought spices after the Sabbath and prepared them. While the Luke 23 text states that the women prepared spices and rested on the Sabbath. This is consistent with an annual Sabbath on Thursday, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. We know that these are the same women because the Bible verses all relate that Mary Magdalene was involved in all these events. However, two other Mary's are mentioned, one the mother of James and Salome, and the other the mother of Joses. In all cases, Mary Magdalene was involved. Therefore, the women saw Jesus' body being laid in the tomb on a Wednesday afternoon, they rested on the annual Sabbath on Thursday, and bought spices on Friday. They prepared the spices on Friday and then rested according to the commandment on the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. After the weekly Sabbath, they intended to anoint Jesus' body with the perfumes and spices, on Sunday. Therefore both intuitively and by evidence, we have proven that Passover was on a Wednesday...

***I think his intuition failed him. The scriptures show that the Passover was on Friday, and "that sabbath day was an high day" (a feast sabbath when all males were to go up to Jerusalem) (Jn. 19:31). All seven feasts are sabbaths, holy convocations on which no work is to be done. Lev. 23:3,4 says, "an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein...These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations." In Lev. 23:35,36, the first and eighth day of Tabernacles are to be "an holy convocation." In verse 39, "the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath."

***If there had been a day between the two Sabbaths, Friday and Saturday, the women could have taken the spices to the tomb before Sunday.

What remains to determine, is whether Jesus rose as the weekly Sabbath was ending or at sunrise on Sunday?

***He is thinking in terms of our days or he would know that Saturday night was impossible. For the Jews, first, there were 12 hours of Saturday night. Then, there were 12 hours of Saturday daylight. Then there were 12 hours of Sunday night. There is no way he could have risen Saturday night. Just look below at what he has to do to try to make things come out the way he wants them to.

...Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9

The above text would seem to conclusively prove that Jesus rose early in the evening on the first day of the week, what we would call Saturday night. Some commentators have speculated that verses 9-20 of this chapter were later added since they weren't in any of the early manuscripts. Whether or not that is true, the reader ought to know that the meaning of a verse may be altered by the addition of a comma or a deletion. The original text did not have these punctuation marks in the Greek text, so they were added later. If a comma is added after risen, the verse takes on an entirely different meaning. Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. This change is not altering scripture since it was not written with punctuation marks. This makes the verse consistent with all the four gospels, where Mary Magdalene visited the grave, shortly after the Sabbath ended, and saw the empty grave with the stone rolled away, but did not see an angel or see Jesus. It was later, when the sun had risen on Sunday morning that she came with Mary the mother of James and Salome back to the tomb, saw an angel who told her that he had risen, and then saw Jesus. One can imagine that Mary asked Mary Magdalene, "Who would roll away the stone?" as they approached the tomb, since Mary Magdalene had not mentioned that she had been there earlier and saw the empty grave. Then she went and told the disciples that she saw the angel and saw Jesus. What any reader should realize is that the Holy Spirit gave us the four gospels with fragments of the story in each, and it takes a study of all together, to arrive at the complete picture.

The fact is that the Passover meal celebrated with the bread and wine by Jesus and the disciples took place on the evening of the fourth day of the week (we would say Tuesday evening).

***Here are the events surrounding the Crucifixion as I see them:

***(Day 6, Friday, Nisan 7) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight, during which Jesus traveled from Jericho to Bethany.

***(Day 7, Saturday, Nisan 8) First, there were 12 hours of night, during which they fed him at Bethany, then he rested, then 12 hours of daylight, during which he also rested. "JESUS, SIX DAYS BEFORE THE PASSOVER, CAME TO BETHANY...NEXT DAY...PALM" SUNDAY (Jn 12:1,12,13). Those days were (1) Saturday, (2) Palm Sunday, (3) Monday, (4) Tuesday, (5 Wednesday and (6) Thursday. The Passover was Friday.

***(Day 1, Sunday, Nisan 9, Palm Sunday) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight, during which he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, presenting himself as king.

***(Day 2, Monday, Nisan 10, Passover lamb selected) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight, during which he cursed the fig tree and purified the temple.

***(Day 3, Tuesday, Nisan 11) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight, when they saw the fig tree had dried up, and Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse.

***(Day 4, Wednesday, Nisan 12) First, there were 12 hours of night, during which he was anointed for burial, then 12 hours of daylight. "AFTER TWO DAYS was the Passover" (Mk. 14:1). Those two days were Wednesday and Thursday. Friday was the Passover.

***(Day 5, Thursday, Nisan 13, Preparation Day, Crucifixion) First, there were 12 hours of night, during which they had the Last Supper and Jesus was taken prisoner, then 12 hours of daylight, during which he was put on the cross at 9:00 AM and died about 3:00 PM, as the first lambs were being killed at the temple. "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER" (Jn. 19:14). According to the Hebrew, he was buried "toward evening time" (Mt. 27:57). They hurried to get him buried before the Passover began at 6:00 PM.

***(Day 6, Friday, Nisan 14, Passover) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight. The Crucifixion was "NOT ON THE FEAST DAY" (Mk. 14:2).

***(Day 7, Saturday, Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread) First, there were 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight. "THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH" (Mt. 12:40), Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day) and Sunday (night).

***(Day 1, Sunday, Nisan 16, Feast of Firstfruits, Resurrection) First, there were 12 hours of night, during which the Resurrection took place, then 12 hours of daylight. It was the "third day since these things were done" (Lu. 24:21). Those days were Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

***Next, notice how he has "a Palm Friday and not a Palm Sunday." :-)

Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. He rose from the dead as the Sabbath was ending and the first day beginning. Finally, He revealed Himself to Mary Magdalene and the disciples on the first day of the week, shortly after sunrise. Of course this means that we have a Palm Friday and not a Palm Sunday. It also means that Jesus performed the sign He said He would, and that Sunday being the Lord's day is a fabrication of the bishop of Rome. Bishop Sixtus instituted this teaching at Rome shortly after the death of the Apostle John, and later Bishops of Rome perpetuated the error he brought into the church. In due time, even the keeping of the Passover bread and wine remembrance was outlawed with excommunication.

One will also note that the lamb for Passover was selected on the 10th of Abib/Nisan, and this did not occur as traditionally taught, but on the weekly Sabbath prior to the Passover. As the Lamb of God, Jesus was selected as the lamb for slaughter following the triumphal entry, when the chief priests met to determine His death on the Sabbath. He was laid in the tomb as the annual Sabbath was beginning. On the following weekly Sabbath as it was ending, Jesus rose from the dead. This is consistent with His teaching where He said He was Lord of the Sabbath.

***I think he was born on the Sabbath, Tishri 1, in BC 5, but he is the LORD (YHVH) of hosts (Isa. 44:6), "the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8), "The mighty God, The everlasting Father" (Isa. 9:6), the LORD that will rule as King of kings and Lord of lords in the "sabbatismos" (Heb. 4:9), the seventh millennium.

There have been many noted believers in a Wednesday crucifixion, from the time of the early church until now. These include Epiphanus, Victorinus of Petau in 307 AD, Lactantius, Wescott, Cassiodorus, and Gregory of Tours. Later, Finis Dake and R.A. Torrey also believed in a Wednesday crucifixion.

***R. A. Torrey's article on a Wednesday Crucifixion in BIOLA's Kings Business Magazine is what set me searching for the truth of which day the Crucifixion was really on. These believed that Christ was crucified on Thursday: Seyffarth, Thurman, Aldrich and Westcott. Africanus, Bengel, Gresswell and Rusk thought it was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, and I agree with them.

We now know that the Bible teaches a Wednesday crucifixion, so the reader now must face the facts of the Bible as compared to the traditions of men...

***I think the Bible shows that the Crucifixion was on Thursday. The 'six days before the Passover," when he came to Bethany (Jn 12:1,12,13) (Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday) and the "third day since" (Lu. 24:21) (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) lock it in place.

The learned reader might say that the Passover as kept today cannot fall on a Wednesday, in the Jewish calendar. That is the case today, but then neither does Firstfruits (wave offering) or the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) occur on the first day of the week in the Jewish calendar. The reason is a matter of history. There was a controversy between the Phariseean and Sadduceean on the keeping of these important feast days. At the time of Jesus, the Sadducees were the high priests and kept the days according to our present Christian understanding from the Torah. For example, the Sadducees believed that Firstfruits always fell on the first day of the week, which meant that Pentecost also fell on the first day of the week. While the Pharisees believed that Firstfruits fell on the 16th of Abib/Nisan, the day after the annual Sabbath, leading to Pentecost on various days of the week. At the time of Jesus, the Sadduceean keeping of the feasts was in effect, but after the dispersion, the more numerous and stricter Pharisees perpetuated their understanding of Judaism. They were the ancestors of modern day Orthodox Jews and are the keepers of the calendar today. Their rules have supplanted the days as kept in the time of Jesus, even though these are minor rule changes. Please feel free to comment on this article by e-mail.

***Between the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes, there seems to have been a disagreement about which was the proper day for Passover. It is possible that the Last Supper was on the day that one of these sects kept the Passover.

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