Pro and Con 389

Uploaded 9-17-99

Note: I believe the 8th day of Chanukah was Jesus' Conception Day. That would be a good reason why the oil lasted 8 days. His birth would have been on Tishri 1, nine months later. It fits.

Re: Pentecost. I have been thinking the date through again. I think Sivan 7 is the Biblical Pentecost. Each of the seven feasts was "a sabbath of rest" like the Day of Atonement (Lev. 23:32), holy convocations on which no work was to be done (Lev. 23:4). Nisan 14, 15, and 16 were Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits, all sabbaths. Tishri 1, 10, and 15 were all sabbaths. You couldn't have a weekly sabbath on the 14th, 15th, and 16th, or the 1st, 10th and 15th. There are not seven days between each.

Lev. 23 demonstrates this. It refers to both Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits as sabbaths. First, it sets the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15 (v. 6). It calls it the sabbath from which Firstfruits is the next day, "on the morrow after the sabbath" (v. 11). It also calls the Feast of Firstfruits a sabbath, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering" (v. 15).

Nisan, "on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread...In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein" (v. 6,7). Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, is a sabbath of rest.

Firstfruits is Nisan 16, "on the morrow after the sabbath (Nisan 15, also a sabbath) the priest shall wave it" (v. 11). Josephus agrees that Firstfruits is Nisan 16 (Ant. III. X. 5).

Lev. 23:15 says, "count unto you FROM the morrow after the sabbath (Nisan 16), FROM the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering; SEVEN SABBATHS SHALL BE COMPLETE (7 x 7 = 49 days): Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat-offering unto the LORD."

Nisan 16 + 7 weeks + 1 day = Sivan 7, Feast of Weeks/Pentecost. I don't think it would be counted by inclusive reckoning because of the seven weeks. Let's say Nisan 16 falls on Saturday. Sunday would be day 1 of the week, Monday day 2, Tuesday day 3, Wednesday day 4, Thursday day 5, Friday day 6, Saturday day 7, and Sunday day 1 of the next week. Therefore, we would go from Saturday to Saturday 2, to Saturday 3, to Saturday 4, to Saturday 5, to Saturday 6, to Saturday 7. That would be 7 weeks, 49 days. Then, Pentecost would be the next day, Sunday, Sivan 7.

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The 1902 Jewish Encyclopedia, (Funk and Waganalls Co., New York) Volume III in the section on chronology on pages 70-71 identifies errors in the Jewish chronology relative to the accepted secular chronology as follows:

First the method of reckoning from the creation of the world was introduced prior to 987 C. E. when it was employed by R. Sherira. This era begins with the year corresponding to 3760 B.C.E. Three eras being used are correlated by this statement in the Mishneh Torah (Shemittah, X. 4): "In the year 1107 of the destruction of the Temple, 1487 of the Seleucidan era, 4936 of the Creation." Using 70 C. E. for the destruction of the temple, the year being defined was 1177C. E. This places creation at 3760 B. C. E. (4936 -1177 +1) and the beginning of the Seleucidan era at 311 B. C. E. (1487 +1 - 1177).

Jewish chronology uses certain estimated intervals between important events in post-Biblical Jewish history. "These intervals are given in 'Ab. Zarah 9a, 10a (probably derived from Seder 'Olam Rabbah xxix), which counts 34 years from the Second Temple to Alexander: 180 for the Greek empire; 101 from the beginning of the Hasmonean dynasty under John Hyrcanus (135 B. C. E. ) to Herod: 103 from herod to the destruction of the Temple; making in all 420 years. Loeb ("Revue Etudes Juives," xix. 202-205) Has ingeniously explained these discrepancies as due to a desire on the part of R. Jose, the author of the Seder'Olam Rabbah, to make them agree with the prediction of Dan. Ix 24 et seq., that seventy weeks (of years), or 490 years, would elapse between the Return from the Exile and the destruction of the Second Temple. As the Exile was assumed to last seventy years, in accordance with Jeremiah, this left 420 years from the Return (537 B. C. E.) to the destruction of the Temple (70 C. E.) a discrepancy of 187 years. This is got rid of in part by making the Persian domination last 34 instead of 204 years (537-333 B. C. E.). This was done in order to make the interval between the Exodus and the era of contracts ( The Selecidan era at 312 B. C. E.) exactly 1000 years.

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Read some of what you said in Pro and Con:264. One thing that everyone seems to be missing is that our Lord taught that the road to Heaven was the narrow path and few will find it. I believe that. Not everyone who says they are a Christian is really a regenerated, spirit-filled Child of God. I would say that fewer than 10% of this world will even see Heaven. That is because many are deceived into thinking that because they walked down the isle and repeated a little prayer that they have somehow purchased FIRE insurance. That is Satan's greatest lie and many throughout all the years have swallowed it, sadly, even me. But through study of God's Word I am trying to get back onto the right path.

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I wish you had copied what you were referring to in P & C 264. It takes quite a lot of my time to sift through 30K of material and try to guess. Is this it?

"If you are a believer, you will make it to Heaven even though you have to get there so as by fire. You can go like Noah or you can go like Lot."

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. No fire fell, only water, symbol of the Holy Spirit. The water raised Noah, et al, up above the highest mountains as the Holy Spirit will raise us up to meet the Lord in the air. All in the Ark were married. Even the animals went in two by two, male and female. It looks like the first Rapture is for the Bride of Christ. The living ones caught up seem to be one foot of the Body of Christ being born into a new world. They are the Philadelphians before whom is set the open door (Rev. 3:8).

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire fell that same day. Lot's wife didn't make it. This Rapture is for the rest of the Body of Christ. The living ones caught up at the last trump seem to be the other foot of the Body of Christ being born into a new world. They are the Laodiceans and the rest of the Tribulation saints.

Rom. 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

John 3:15 says, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

I Cor. 3:11-15 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; YET SO AS BY FIRE."

Lot just made it out of Sodom before the fire fell. It will be the same for the Tribulation saints. Just as an asteroid cracked the Earth and formed the Great Rift Valley in Lot's day, an asteroid will destroy civilization as we know it on the Day of God's Wrath, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The Tribulation saints will be caught up before the asteroid impacts at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).

> the road to Heaven was the narrow path and few will find it.

Broad is the way to destruction. Don't you think Christians are in the minority in this world?

> That is Satan's greatest lie

His greatest will be when he claims to be God (II Thess. 2:4).

Our salvation is a free gift (Eph. 2:8-10) to all who accept Christ as their Saviour. We can't work for it. However, after we are saved, we can earn rewards. We can't work for salvation, but we can work for rewards.

For our work to count, we should confess all known sins since we accepted Christ (I Jn. 1:9). Then the Holy Spirit will not be quenched. He will well up within us as a fountain of living water. Then what good works we do will count for rewards. If we don't confess our sins, we will not be filled with the agape love of God. We will " become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal....And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity (agape, love), it profiteth me nothing (I Cor. 13:1,3). Agape

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> FWD: Note from Bill Koenig:
> interesting facts, statistics and numbers for your review. also links pertaining > to the timing of Jesus Christ's birth.

> * It is estimated 6 billion people live in the world today.
> * It is estimated 6 million people live in Israel.
> * It is believed by some scholars that the 6000 year anniversary of Adam¹s creation
> will be on September 11, 1999.

***From Marilyn: This took forever to show in my email window because of Koenig's Logo, so I thought there wasn't anything there and went on to the next email. I just found it. Sorry. I have old slow equipment. Long emails take a long time to come up on my screen.

***If you add the population of Jerusalem, it is even more interesting. Another 6 shows up, It reminds us of 666.

***I think Adam was created on Friday, Elul 29, just before this "kosmos" began operating on Saturday, Tishri 1 in 4044/43 BC. He was cast out of the Garden in 4004/03 BC. This makes 5758 (1997/98) the 6000th year since man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil. My Chronology is on my Web site.

> The fall, 2 B.C., date for the birth of Christ, plus 33-1/2 years for his lifetime, gives
> us Spring Passover, 33 A.D., as the year of the Crucifixion. (When calculating total time,
> subtract one year from the sum of the A.D. and B.C. dates, as there is no year zero in
> calendar dating.) This ties in with the Old Testament prophecy of Daniel's Seventy Weeks, an
> exact 490 year period (70 times 7 years) which ran from Spring, 458 B.C. to Spring 33 A.D.

***I think Jesus was born BC 5 and Crucified in 30 AD, 40 years (Eze. 4:6) before Jerusalem and the temple were burned in 70 AD. I think the wise men visited in BC 3 and Herod died after the eclipse of Jan. 10, BC 1.

***I think the decree of Cyrus was in 454 BC (Isa. 44:28). Jesus was baptized in the 15th year of Tiberius, 26 AD. Tiberius began to Co-Rex with Augustus in 12 AD. He had authority over Palestine from then on, Augustus concerning himself with other parts of his kingdom. Tiberius became Sole-Rex in 14 AD.

***Jesus was about 30 years old when he was baptized in 26 AD. This puts his birth in BC 5 (30 - 5 + 1 (no zero year) = 26 AD, or, BC 5 + 26 AD - 1 = 30). I think he was born on Tishri 1.

***At his first Passover after John baptized Jesus, the temple was 46 years in building. It was started in BC 20/19. This makes the 46th year 27 AD.

> Count backwards from Revelation 3:22...counting back 2000 verses
> (representing 2000 years of the "church age), you land right on 1
> Corinthians 15:51.

***I Cor. 15:51,52 is the "last trump," the second Rapture, which I expect Tishri 1, 5768, our Sept. 13, 2007. We can't have the last trump, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, until after we have the first trump (I Thess 4:13-18). I am hoping the Pre-Trib Rapture will be Pentecost, 2000.

> In J.R. Church's latest "Prophecy in the News" magazine. He took the statehood date
> of Israel which was "May 14, 1948" and multiplied the digits in this date. It came
> out to "5760." (5 x 1 x 4 x 1 x 9 x 4 x 8 = 5760)

***5760 may turn out to be the right year. It seems very likely. In the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9, Jesus comes in the third year and speaks. It is the only year of the four in which he speaks. He says that he came LOOKING these three years. He only LOOKED in the first two years. He neither comes nor speaks in the extra year. At the Rapture, we want him to come and SPEAK, saying, "Come up hither."

> Yacov Rambsel Bible Code Research
> Ezekiel 38:1-4...This is a prophecy which refers to Russia and could be fulfilled in the
> very last days of this year or the beginning of the next year. One of my main thoughts
> on this invasion is that it could occur around the time of the year 2000.

***Eze. 38 takes place on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. When Israel is attacked, God's fury comes up in his face. That is the Day of God's Wrath when the mountain burning with fire impacts the Mediterranean Sea. Read verses 18,19 and 20. It is the day of the worldwide earthquake, when every wall will fall.

> Ezekiel 38:4; Starting with the fourth letter in the third word, counting forward every
> 58th letter spells, blemished computer ruin; mum machaiv ai yu bvjm Also, the Hebrew
> word for "Rapture" is encoded at 58-letter increments in the same location.

> Ezekiel 38:3; Starting with the first letter in the ninth word, counting in reverse
> every 58th letter spells, Rapture; natzal lxn. Is it possible that the Rapture of the
> believers is associated with the Y2K and computer failure?

***The Rapture may well be in the year 2000. I think it will be at Pentecost.

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Can you tell me why our calendar is approaching 6,000 years of bible history since Adam's creation but the Jewish year is numbered more than 200 years less?

I have read people's calculations which require much study - but I'm hoping for a more succinct general answer if it's feasible.

p.s. Still thanking the Lord for your skill and perseverance and patience. May you and your family be much blessed. In Jesus

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I think we hit year 6000 since Adam was cast out of the Garden and man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil in 5758 (1997/1998). I think Adam's time of testing and probation in the Garden was 40 years. My chronology is on my Web site. I think Adam was created in BC 4044/43 in what I call 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era). I see Adam leaving the Garden in BC 4004/03 (243 BJE). I think Jesus was born in BC 5, and that the wise men visited him when he was about 2 years old in BC 4/3 (4040 years after Adam's creation and 4000 years since man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil). Their visit and the gifts given to Jesus by the wise men tell us of his deity and proclaim him both King and High Priest.

The present Jewish Talmudic calendar began Oct. 7, BC 3761. Why they decided to start it then I do not know. It seems obvious that they did it arbitrarily and not by adding up the years given in Scripture starting with Adam's creation. I am guessing, but it might have been because the new moon of that year was known. Each Tishri 1 since then can be determined by figuring from what they call the first new moon and applying a few rules by which it would be delayed a bit in some years.

It seems that 5758 was not only the 6000th year but the first year of the four in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. I call these four years Israel's grace years. If she does not produce fruit in these years, the Tribulation will begin. It is her 5th cycle of discipline. Lev. 26:27,28 says, "if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times (years, Rev. 12:6,14) for your sins."

Thank you for your kind words. God bless you and yours.

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I feel like a million pound weight has been lifted from my shoulders. For what seems like forever, I have been struggling with the "truth" of the Rapture. I, too, have studied the scriptures in an effort to determine whether the Rapture was pre-trib or pre-wrath...and I kept seeing both scenarios. But it never dawned on me that there could be two Raptures. As 2000 draws closer, the urgency for an answer has been keeping me awake at night and I had been praying for weeks that God would reveal the truth of the matter. Then, last night, He led me to your web site! You have been blessed with such wisdom! As I excitedly read into the wee hours of the morning, I could feel my frustration draining away. Truth is so precious and I do believe you have found it!