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Incoming Email I read an article in Koenig's International News today entitled "Mystery in space: Giant flash of energy startles astronomers." It states: "astronomers worldwide are tracking down a mysterious and unusual burst of energy that exploded like a flashbulb in the sky last week, lingered several hours and disappeared."
It occurred in the southern constellation Sagittarius. MIT researcher Donald Smith said "this one came screaming out of nowhere at us." Astronomer Bob Hjellming said "something really unusual is going on, it's gotten odder and odder as we've gotten pieces of data on it." The flash came from somewhere between 1,300 and 3,300 lightyears away in the Milky Way, in astronomical terms, just a bit down the street in our own galactic neighborhood. The flash occurred on September 15th.
Another unusual occurrence........the heavens are truly speaking to those on earth.
Love to you and your family. Looking up, watching, and praying to be accounted worthy. Come, Lord Jesus.
My reply Thanks. You were the first to let me know.
Here is a bit of interesting news I received right after your email.
Fw: The Lampholder Newsletter, September 1999, Issue #2
...Recent events reveal more activity in the constellation of Sagittarius (near the star GM Sagittarii)...mysterious, unknown lights emanating from the edge of the Milky Way;-- ...then last week, from the constellation of Sagittarius, an unusual burst of energy from a dim star that suddenly exploded into flashes of invisible gamma rays, X-rays, and radio waves that both shocked and confused astronomers worldwide. What was it? -- a black hole swallowing up a star, or something else?--
Note: Two stars in Sagittarius (which means THE ARCHER WHO SENDS FORTH THE ARROW) are in Hebrew NUSHATA, meaning, THE SENDING FORTH, and TEREBELLUM, meaning SENT FORTH SWIFTLY. The arrow is aimed at the reddish star ANTARES, known as the heart of the scorpion, and means THE WOUNDING in Arabic. Scorpio is said to be symbolic of the Seed of the Serpent. That would be the False Prophet, and he does get wounded. Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be uterly darkened." The star in the tail, LESATH, means THE PERVERSE in Hebrew. In Rev. 9:10-12, the demons "had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon." Is this unusual burst of energy in Sagittarius a sign that the asteroid that will open the bottomless pit has been sent forth. Rev. 9:1,2 says, "AND the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit." That time is drawing near. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Sept, 13, 2007.
...VATICAN CITY, SEP 23 (ZENIT).- The Vatican is in the final stages of preparation for the Inter-Religious Meeting that will be held from October 24-28. Leaders of all religions will meet in Rome to study the common contribution that believers can make to humanity in the next century.
The meeting will include a visit to Assisi, the city of peace.
The inter-religious event takes place on the eve of the Jubilee. As the Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue states, John Paul II has requested that in this last year of preparation for 2000, dedicated to God the Father, "reflection (be made) on the relation between God and men, by promoting relations among the religions."
There will be two important moments during the meeting. The first is the Assembly itself, which will be attended by 200 people: 80 Christians of different denominations and 120 from other religions; it will be held in the Vatican Synod Hall. The second is a significant meeting in St. Peter's Square on October 28, with thousands of faithful present. The Assembly will include the traditional African, American and Hindu religions, the monotheist religions, and some new Japanese religions.
With the One World Religion ticking along right on schedule, how close we must be to the Rapture. Maranatha
Marilyn, For the Bible scholars looking for Yeshua's birthdate. In Jewish Tradition the moon represents the Messiah. He was born on a full moon on the Seventh Feast. Maranatha...(Tribe of Benjamin)
Someone else said that Jesus was born on Tabernacles because he was made flesh and tabernacled among us.
To me, these things don't prove that Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles. Skenoo means to tent, tabernacle, or dwell. It is translated "dwelt" in John 1:14 and "dwell" in Rev. 7:15; 12:12; 13:6; and 21:3.
Rev. 7:15 says, "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall DWELL among them." He doesn't just dwell among them on the Feast of Tabernacles.
To me, the evidence that Jesus was born as the former rain on Tishri 1 is too overwhelming.
De. 11:14: "I will give you the rain of your land (Israel) in HIS DUE SEASON."
Lev. 26:3,4: "If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I will give you rain in DUE SEASON."
Hos. 6:3: "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."
Joel 2:23: "the LORD your God: for he hath given you the FORMER RAIN moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, THE FORMER RAIN, AND THE LATTER RAIN IN THE FIRST MONTH.'
When no day number is given, we are to assume the first day of the month, because the same word means month and new moon. The first day of the month is the new moon. Both the Former Rain (First Advent) and the Latter Rain (Second Advent) are on the first day of the month. The Former Rain starts Tishri 1. The Latter Rain starts Nisan 1. Both are first months, Tishri of the Civil Year, Nisan of the Regnal and Sacred Year.
I believe the First Advent was on the first day of the Civil Year (the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1) and the Second Advent will be on the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year (Nisan 1). He comes on the first day of the Regnal Year as King of kings and the first day of the Sacred Year as Lord of lords.
Ezek. 29:17:21: "in the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1)...In that day (Nisan 1, Eze. 45:18,21) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Word, Logos) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."
Incoming Email From Jim Bramlett:
...last night I learned something interesting. Tom Gaston told me, and I later verified it with Bonnie Gaunt, that in Hebrew the gematria for FLOYD is 5760! This is the new Jewish year that began...on Rosh HaShannah, September 11, 1999! How strange.
I still had old newspapers back to September 10th and decided to go back and see what they said. It turns out that as a hurricane and major storm Floyd (which = 5760) was actually born on the first day of the Jewish new year 5760! This is amazing and seems way beyond coincidence.
It seems to me like Floyd is just one more indication among many that the Jewish year 5760 is a profoundly significant year on God's calendar....
Incoming Email I have enjoyed perusing your page this evening - actually several of your pages - and have found them to be filled with much excitement and anticipation of the soon return of our Lord and King, Jesus Christ - an excitement and anticipation which I heartily share. I thought, in light of your understanding and ability to grasp at some meat of the word of God, you might enjoy reading Gary Whipple's book, "Shock and Surprise! Beyond the Rapture". I must say that I recommend it highly. It is fun to speculate and hope for the return of Christ (rapture) - I am amazed each day that I am still here(!) as I was just certain that it would occur on Tishri 1 this year (9/10 over here in Alaska). But the important thing is to encourage each other to repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand! No one is right - no one knows it all - but we may know Him who does. Therefore, whether He comes tonight or tomorrow or next year, our best bet is to remain under His authority, being LED by the Holy Spirit, doing the will of His Father, (as opposed to our own good works which will cause us to be called a wicked servant), and remain repentant, begging His mercy. Then, perhaps, some of us may enter into the joy of the Lord and not, as others who missed the mark, into outer darkness. God bless you.
My reply Thanks. I haven't had the pleasure of reading the book you suggested, but I just finished "Left Behind: A Novel of the Earth's Last Days," by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. Someone my daughter met gave it to her to give to me. That was very nice.
I enjoyed reading it, but I wish the authors had their events in the proper order. They had the Russians attacking Israel a year and seven months (p. 6) before the Pre-Trib Rapture. That belongs on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation, on the Day of God's Wrath. That attack is what brings God's fury up in his face. That is the day of the worldwide earthquake when every wall will fall (Eze. 38:18-20). If people think the Russians attack Israel before the Pre-Trib Rapture, what do you think they will be watching for? War. Is that what we are supposed to be watching for? No. We are supposed to be looking for Jesus. If we are watching for war or the appearance of the Antichrist, we risk not being ready when Jesus comes. I am glad they didn't have the Antichrist appear before the Rapture.
On p. 309, they say, "The first twenty-one months encompass what the Bible calls the seven Seal Judgments, or the Judgments of the Seven-Sealed Scroll. Then comes another twenty-one-month period in which we will see the seven Trumpet Judgments. In the last forty-two months of this seven years of tribulation, if we have survived, we will endure the most severe tests, the seven Vial Judgments. That last half of the seven years is called the Great Tribulation, and if we are alive at the end of it, we will be rewarded by seeing the Glorious Appearing of Christ."
The saints don't see Christ coming at the Second Advent. They come with him from Heaven at the Second Advent. Zech. 14:5 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE."
The worst thing is that they left out the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and it is so clear in Scripture. They have the Tribulation saints having to endure the Wrath of God. No saint is appointed to God's wrath. The Pre-Trib Rapture is that group seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, "redeemed...to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. Those are in Heaven before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6.
Of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Rev. 7:9,14-16 says, "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne...These are they which came out of great tribulation (lit., out of the great tribulation), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God...They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them." These are seen in Heaven between the breaking of the sixth seal (Rev. 6:12) and the seventh seal (Rev. 8).
> "The first twenty-one months encompass what the Bible calls the seven Seal Judgments
The Bible does not call the seven seals "judgments." The word "judgment" does not appear in Revelation until 14:7-10: "the hour of his judgment is come...Babylon is fallen...The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God." This is on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation, not in the first 21 months. The word "judged" is not found until Rev. 11:18.
The hour his judgment falls on Earth is noon on the Day of God's Wrath. Zeph. 2:4,5 says, "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast." Also see Job 20:23, Amos 8:9, and Eze. 25:16.
I think the Judgment Seat of Christ is on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 2007, the Day of God's Wrath. The seven trumpets herald the judging of both the saved in Heaven and the unsaved on Earth. Just before the first trumpet sounds, we read in Rev. 6:17, the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand. This is between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. The Day of his Wrath is when the seven trumpets sound in quick succession. When the seventh sounds, we read in Rev. 11:18, "thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH."
> Then comes another twenty-one-month period in which we will see the seven
> Trumpet Judgments.
I do not think the seven trumpet judgments are in the latter 21 months of the first half of the Tribulation. They come on the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the seven-year Tribulation. The seven trumpets show what happens immediately. In the seven vials "is filled up the wrath of God" (Rev. 15:1). For instance, when the second trumpet sounds, "a great mountain (asteroid) burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:4,5): and the THIRD PART OF THE SEA BECAME BLOOD" (Rev. 8:8). After some time had gone by, "the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and EVERY LIVING SOUL DIED IN THE SEA" (Rev. 16:3). The trumpets are the immediate effects of the two asteroid impacts (Rev. 8:8,10). The vials are the effects after some time has elapsed.
In the back of the book, in the blurb about another book in the series, Nicolae," it says, "the seven-year tribulation period is nearing the end of its first quarter, when prophecy says 'the wrath of the Lamb' will be poured out upon the earth." To me, that is not the right time. The Day of God's Wrath has to be at the end of the shortened Tribulation. When that happens, so many men are killed that a child could write the number. That doesn't happen near "the end of its first quarter."
Does the book you read do a better job?
Incoming Email I see that you get a lot of flack for date setting. Considering your background, I doubt if I could tell you anything you don't already know, but just in case, 1 THESSALONIANS 5:4 But ye, brethern, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Seems to state that we can know of His coming.
My reply Thanks. I don't know why people try to ignore that.
Incoming Email How do we know that God goes off of our dates, and not his interpretation or knowledge of when things really happened?
Where do you go to church. If you still live in LA, my sister and I live in Redondo Beach and are looking for a good church. We've tried a few, but weren't happy.
oh, one more thing, i've been looking over you site for a week now. What part does the USA play in end times? I would imagine that a majority of the raptured people will come from here, am i just being naive?
My reply I think the pre-incarnate Christ (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6) made all the plans for man's time of testing. He will stick to his schedule, regardless of what we think or do. However, he also has the power to keep things on schedule here at the end of this age, including the calendars.
You see, he set the sun and moon in motion to measure years. We can't get very far off solar time without realizing that we have to make a change somewhere. The Jews can't get off very far either. They have to have grain at Firstfruits. That keeps their lunar/solar calendar aligned with the seasons.
We live in Riverside now. When we lived in Lomita, we attended Rolling Hills Covenant. You might phone them and ask if they could recommend a church that would be closer to you.
The Bible doesn't mention the USA by name. King of the West may indicate this country. However, Here is a cryptic verse. It might indicate this nation, because this nation was founded by people who believed in God. We have "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our money, etc. II Sam. 7:23 says, "what one (echad, united) nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible." The United States is Israel's staunchest supporter.
The Israelites made a pilgrimage to their Promised Land. The Pilgrims also made a journey to a new land. They founded the first permanent settlement in New England at Plymouth in 1620. God bless
Incoming Email From South Africa:
Thank you for your reply once again. I do apologize for not giving you the source of information regarding the mountain of seven stadia, it is not in biblical prophecy, but is found in one of Nostradamus' quatrains. Translated as follow:
The great mountain round of seven stadia,
Afterwards peace, war, famine, flood,
It will roll far away sinking great countries,
Even antiquities, and great foundation.
Line 1: What type of mountain is round? A good reference here is to the burning mountain of Revelations which John describes as being thrown into the oceans - a clear reference to an asteroid or comet [Revelations 8:8]. So it appears we have a meteor or asteroid which AFTER (i.e. the hit) causes war, famines, floods, great countries to be sunk. Zech 3:9: "upon one stone shall be seven eyes" does seem to make sense here.
...I have found that my own faith, hope and love of the Lord to be more suitable for myself. I study my bible, pray a lot and in my every day life I try to do the best for my fellow human being. I find the Internet with sites like yours also clarifies things that I do not always understand.
Thanks for always listening. Love and light to you and your family.
My reply Whew! 7 stadia = 7 furlongs; 7 x 606.75 ft. divided by 5280 = 0.8 mile. It only takes an asteroid 0.7 mile in diameter to destroy civilization.
> Zech 3:9: "upon one stone shall be seven eyes" does seem to make sense here.
I think this indicates Heaven with its seven rings. In the Septuagint, Zech. 3:9 says, "as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). It is perfect. This stone is number seven on the candlestick (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, as per Josephus, Ant. III.VI.7) and seven is God's number. Paul was caught up to the "third heaven" (2 Cor. 12:2)--Mars, Jupiter, Saturn.
God mentioned "my bow" (Gen. 9:13). A rainbow can be formed by sunlight on ice crystals. What orbits Saturn? ice crystals.
Also, "before the throne there was a sea of glass (hualinos, transparent like glass) like unto crystal" (Rev. 4:6). It fits ice crystals. The NEB says, "a sea of glass, like a sheet of ice." Eze. 1:27,28 calls the rings "the brightness round about."
...You can't go wrong sticking to the Bible. It is the only absolute truth we have to go by.
Incoming Email Pre-Trib Rapture truth:
Comment on your reference to Rev. 5:9, why is the Pre-Trib Rapture so hard to see for some. David Jeremiah: on his radio show "Turning Point" discussed what I think is the only knowledge we really need to accept it. When Paul wrote to the BELIEVERS at Thessalonica, he did so because false teachers had tried to deceive the BELIEVERS into a concept that they were in the Tribulation already, and they had missed out on the Pre-Trib Rapture. Hmm. . . kind of sounds like some of the arguments that TODAY argue against Pre-Trib. Paul emphatically stated in 1Thess 4:13-18 that this was not so. SO THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURIST!
Incoming Email I went with my husband to Ft. Lauderdale for a couple of days. While I sat in the car waiting for him to check into the hotel, a man came to me and said "go quick- your husband just fell down and they are calling emergency. I got so excited. I took the keys out but didn't look around the door to see how to lock the car. I ran into the lobby and saw that my husband was checking in. I told him what happened and he ran out and saw that our new laptop computer and his video camera was stolen. We were blessed in that the man was not able to steal the whole car, and our luggage was in the trunk. Marilyn, I couldn't believe the scam. Please tell your readers to be so careful and not be taken in by those people who are not children of God but of Satan. I actually prayed for the man because I was afraid he would go to hell some day. When I read about what is happening in the world, earthquakes, floods, disease, hunger, etc. I feel so blessed and can't complain too much about the theft. But so many natural disasters are happening so close together just as Jesus said. I know HE MUST COME SOON to stop all the evil in the world.
I want to ask a question. What do you think we will be doing during the millenium? Where will we be and what kind of bodies will we have? Maybe I should re-read your books to see if you said anything about that. I know I won't have a stiff, painful face.
Marilyn, I just know you are blessing to so many people and I thank you for all your efforts in letting us share your knowledge of God's word. Love in Christ.
My reply I am so sorry about the theft. I bet you lock the car from now on. Not that they can't jimmy it open, but it would make them more obvious. They can pop the trunk from inside most cars too.
> What do you think we will be doing during the
> millenium? Where will we be and what kind of bodies will we have?
We are not told in detail, but here is how it looks to me. We will have resurrection bodies and come with Christ at the Second Advent. R.B. Thieme, Jr. says we will each bump one demon. That makes me think we might replace the 1/3rd of the angels that sided with Satan. Anyway, since Jesus mentioned some being over several cities, we will have work to do. After the Millennial Government is set up and Satan chained, I think we will return to Heaven with Christ. King David is to be put back on the throne on Earth. "But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them" (Jer. 30:9). "And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land" (Eze. 34:24,25). If we are needed on Earth, we will be able to travel back and forth to do the Lord's bidding. Heaven is our home. Agape
Incoming Email You have soooooooooooo much insight. Thank you so much for sharing it.
My reply Gee, thanks. The Lord deserves the credit, not me. It is just that I couldn't get answers to my questions reading man's books about the Bible for seven years. In exasperation, I opened my Bible, put my hands on it, and said, "Lord! you'll have to show me. I want to know all the deep things, everything you want man to know about the Bible--everything." I have been learning more and more ever since. He doesn't dump everything on you at once. Life becomes a learning process. I learn more as I read Scripture, as I read what is sent to me, as I type answers to email, as I interact with others, as I put two and two together, etc. And what a thrill it is to learn just one more thing, even a small thing, that I didn't see before. We see through a glass darkly, but as we study, the picture gets clearer and clearer.
Her reply I'm so thrilled that you emailed me back. I have a question for you, Marilyn. The question is: How much impact does the Wye River Peace agreement have on the Second Coming? I mean...is it a significant sign? Also, the Jerusalem Temple, (the corner stone will be placed on the 27th of September) how significant is this?
My reply I think all the peace agreements, starting with the Oslo Accords on Sept. 13, 1993 are steps to the Final Status Agreement that is slated to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. The seven good years and seven bad years seem to have begun with the signing of the Oslo Accords. They will end on Sept. 13, 2007. I think it will be confirmed by the newly elected secretary general of the united nations, the Tribulation Pope, on Pentecost, May 28, 2001. I believe that the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14 run from the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007.
It would be significant if they were allowed to put the cornerstone in place. They have tried several years and have not been allowed to put it on the temple mount. Maybe after the Final Status Agreement is signed Sept. 13, 2000, they will actually begin building the Temple.
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