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Incoming Email I like many others am a student of the Word of God, and it saddens me to have read some of the information you have concerning the "rapture." I am sorry to tell you the "rapture" is not Biblical. Not once is the word "rapture" found in the Bible. I at one time in my life, like you, believed in the idea of the "rapture," and it was only until I began to study the Bible in more depth that I came to the realization that the "rapture" will not take place. Instead the second coming of Christ will take place at the seventh or last trump. As documented in 1Cor 15:52, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump..." This trump conicides with last of seven trumpet calls as documented in Rev chap 10. The seventh trump occurs at the end of the tribulation after Satan has declared himself God. It is Satan himself who is Anti-christ. He will come down from the sky and tell people he has come to rapture them away. I pray friend that you are not one of these people. I hope this is not the shocking to you, it is in the Bible. But before I quote the scriture, I ask you, who is the only being created by God who has been judged and sentenced to perish forever. It is Satan, the son of perdition. This is all documented in 2Thes 2:1-6. Let me write out verse 3 and 4,"LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU BY ANY MEANS: for that day (the second coming) SHALL NOT come, except there be a falling away first, and the man of sin revealed, the son of perdition; Verse 4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. He is of course Satan a fake, the father of liars, and he must appear first before God comes to reclaim the faithful. Do not fear, our Anointed Savior, Jesus Christ will not let Satan harm those armed with the word of God as documented in 1Pet 3:12-13. I pray friend, God gives you ears to hear and eyes to see. I know you may still doubt God's word, so please e-mail me if your spirit moves you to, because there are many more verses to document. Please friend, post this on your e-mail site, so others also can open their eyes and read and understand God's pefect word, The Bible. God bless you and your family.
My reply > I am sorry to tell you the "rapture" is not Biblical. Not once is
> the word "rapture" found in the Bible.
Oh, but you are reading a translation in English, are you not? You know the Bible was not written in English. So, what does that mean that the English word Rapture is not found in our translation? Does it mean that its Greek equivalent is not there? No. It means that some other words were used to translate the Greek word. Translators have several choices of words to pick from.
In the English KJV, I Thess. 4:17 says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP." "Caught up" is "harpazo" in Greek, "rapiemere" in Latin, and rapture in English. If you said that "harpazo" isn't found in the Bible, that would be an untrue statement. I will show you some other places it appears. Remember that it can be translated to snatch away with force.
Mt. 13:19: " then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away (harpazo) that which was sown in his heart."
Acts 8:39: "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away (harpazo) Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more".
2 Cor. 12:2,4: "such an one (Paul himself) caught up (harpazo) to the third heaven...caught up (harpazo) into paradise".
Rev. 12:5: "and her child was caught up (harpazo) unto God, and to his throne."
There is a progression in these verses. First the wicked one snatches away that which was sown in a man's heart. Second, Philip was suddenly transported to a different place. Third, Paul was caught up to Heaven, which is the third heaven, Paradise. Fourth, her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Heaven, Paradise, is God's throne, and Paul and John were both caught up to it. They know it is real, even if you don't.
You don't have to call this catching up the Rapture. It is a snatching away with force, whatever you call it. At that time, we, like Paul, will be caught up to the third heaven, to Paradise. Like the man child, we will be caught up to God's throne.
> I came to the realization that the "rapture" will not take place. Instead the second
> coming of Christ will take place at the seventh or last trump. As documented in
> 1Cor 15:52, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump..." This trump
> conicides with last of seven trumpet calls
You are grouping together things that do not belong together. The Rapture is not the Second Coming. Christ comes in the air at the Rapture. He puts his feet on the Mt. of Olives at the Second Advent.
The Pre-Trib Rapture is the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16), not the last trump of I Cor. 15:52. That is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The two silver assembly trumpets of Nu. 10:2-4 prefigure the two trumpet calls for the saints. The Lord said to "use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., with them both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee...And if they blow but with one trumpet (i.e., the first trump, Rev. 4:1), then the princes (elders, Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."
Neither of the two trumpet calls of God for the saints is synonomous with the seventh trumpet judgment sounded by an angel. The saints are not appointed to wrath. The Day of God's Wrath comes in Rev. 6:17. The Tribulation saints are caught up in Rev. 7:14, before the seven trumpet judgments hit in Rev. 8.
The Second Advent is not at the seventh trumpet, either. There are seven Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12).
> The seventh trump occurs at the end of the tribulation after Satan has declared
> himself God. It is Satan himself who is Anti-christ. He will come down from
> the sky and tell people he has come to rapture them away.
The seventh trump (and the other six) hit on one day, the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation. The False Prophet is the final Antichrist, and he will be Satan possessed. There is no scripture that says Satan "will come down from the sky and tell people he has come to rapture them away."
> I hope this is not the shocking to you, it is in the Bible.
It is not shocking in the least, because it is not in the Bible at all. I have read every word of at least 15 versions. I know it is not there.
> "LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU BY ANY MEANS: for that day (the second coming) SHALL NOT come,
> except there be a falling away first, and the man of sin revealed
You left out an important part of this passage. II Thess. 2:1-3 says, "NOW we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM (the Pre-Trib Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (day of the Lord in the major MSS, the Millennium) is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the millennial Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, as the separation in divorcement, "apostacion," i.e., the Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed" (SECOND).
Apostasia was translated "the departure" in early versions of the Bible, including The Geneva Bible, Tyndale's translation, Cranmer's version, The Great Bible, Breecher's Bible, Beza's translation and the Coverdale Bible. It means the Rapture.
> the father of liars, and he must appear first before God comes to reclaim the faithful.
The Rapture is "FIRST." In Rev. 5:9, a group out of every nation is seen in Heaven. The Tribulation starts in Rev. 6. The wicked one is not revealed until the last half of the Tribulation. Satan is cast out of Heaven and down to the Earth in Rev. 12. The man he will inhabit is the beast of Rev. 13:11f. He will speak like a dragon.
> Christ will not let Satan harm those armed with the word of God as
> documented in 1Pet 3:12-13.
Then why are there martyrs? During the Tribulation, there will be martyrs. Rev. 6:9 says, "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held." Do you want to be here then?
The Lord has provided you a way to escape the worst seven years since there was a nation. In Luke 21:36, Jesus says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The word for escape is EKPHEUGO, "escape OUT OF or AWAY FROM." We get our word EXIT from the prefix, "EK." Strong's gives "VANISH" as an alternate meaning for EKPHEUGO. From ESCAPE to VANISH, not the slightest hint of "survive through."
Incoming Email I received the three books I ordered from you and I greatly appreciate your ministry. I truly believe yours is a ministry, contrary to the so-called "ministries" we see all over this country. Unfortunately, there are too many "teachers" that think they are right, even though they all disagree with one another. I am so glad to have found you, and I know God has His hand on you in these last moments before He calls His bride to the wedding. I pray He will count me as part of that bride.
My question has to do with your theory of double meaning. I think that prophecies that were given for nations of old could very well have a double interpretation for modern nations. I read and re-read the book of Nahum, after being led to it by the Lord. Nahum just is not one of those books people have a tendency to read.(Not even prophecy buffs like myself.) But God knew I was interested in knowing what would happen to America in the end-times. When I went back to re-read Nahum, I felt God telling me to read it as the "Burden of America". I was astonished at how it fit.
In 1:3 I see He will not let us off the hook.
In 1:5-6 I see nuclear war.
In 1:7 He protects the saints.
In 1:10 I see our preoccupation with sex and alcohol.
In 2:3-5 I see the attack of an enemy and our feeble attempt to escape the cities that are under attack.
In 2:13 I see the destruction of our transportation, our armies, and our news media(which won?t be a total loss anyway)
In 3:3 I see no end to the dead strewn across the landscape in every quarter.
In 3:19 I see that there is no cure for what has happened to us and this is the result of the despicable way we have treated the countries of the world. They will be very pleased with our demise.
Marilyn, I am not a prophet. I realize I very well may be getting a little carried away here. But it just frustrates me to see all the things that are happening to the rest of the world, while we sit here in our churches playing our games vis-à-vis; programs and seminars and televangelists and radio preachers, all with their "send me your offering today" attitudes, actually thinking they are doing God a service. We are really in for it!! I feel the way I did when My mother, after a frustrating day of me not minding, would say "wait until your father gets home young man!!" I am scared for this country.
I appreciate your insight and did not mean to rattle on and on. But this book, Nahum, absolutely intrigues me. Your insights, please. agape
My reply Thanks for your kind words. I'm not a prophet either, but I will tell you how it looks to me. I don't think the USA is in God's mind at this point.
We know that things happened to Israel for examples to us. I Cor. 10:5,6,11 says, "with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them...Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."
Jonah's three days and three nights in the belly of the whale was a sign (Mt. 12:39). We also know that when Jonah warned Nineveh, it had a broader application than just to that day, because it is recorded in the Bible. The history of the whole world is not recorded there for us, only the history of Israel and other nations as they somehow touched Israel or as the Lord saw fit to demonstrate a lesson for us here at the end of the age.
As I begin to read Nahum, the first thing that catches my eye is v. 2: "God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth WRATH for his enemies." Already, I am thinking of the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. That is THE Day of God's Wrath.
Nahum 1:5-9 says, "The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence (paneh, face, sight, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30), yea, the WORLD, and ALL that dwell therein." This prophecy effects more than just Nineveh or the USA. It effects the whole world.
This is the day spoken of in Eze. 38:20: "ALL the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, or sight, as translated in Eze. 36:31), and the mountains (the two asteroid pieces, Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY wall shall fall to the ground."
Continuing in Nahum, "Who can stand before HIS INDIGNATION? and who can abide in the fierceness of HIS ANGER? HIS FURY is poured out like fire, and THE ROCKS (asteroid pieces) ARE THROWN DOWN BY HIM. The LORD is good, a strong hold in THE DAY OF TROUBLE (Day of Jacob's Trouble); and he knoweth them that trust in him (they will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Rev. 7:14; Dan. 12:1,2). But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies. What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make AN UTTER END: affliction shall not rise up the second time."
There is more than one reason for the "overrunning flood." The "great mountain burning with fire (asteroid piece) was cast into the sea" (the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5) in Rev. 8:8. Rev. 18:21 tell us how Babylon will end: "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (the "aster" of Rev. 8:10), and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Besides this, the asteroid impacts will turn this globe upside down (Isa. 24:1), and you can imagine what that will do to the oceans and seas. They will be out of control. The tsunamis will be the worst since Adam was placed on Earth.
The False Prophet is the Wicked One of II Thess. 2:8,9: "then shall that Wicked by revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders." He is to be deposed on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. Nahum 1:15 says, "O Judah, keep thy SOLEMN FEASTS, perform thy vows; for THE WICKED shall no more PASS THROUGH THEE; HE IS UTTERLY CUT OFF."
On the last day of this age, the Preparation Day for the Feast of Trumpets, the sixth seal is broken. "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And (all men)...said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (the Sign of the Son of Man), and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB: FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME" (Rev. 6:13-17).
Nahum 2:3,4 is talking about the same day, the last day of this age, the Preparation Day for the Feast of Trumpets. It says, "the chariots (rekeb, millstones, as we see in Rev. 18:21) shall be with FLAMING TORCHES (burning rocks, meteorites) in the DAY OF HIS PREPARATION, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken. The chariots (millstones) shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall SEEM LIKE TORCHES, THEY SHALL RUN LIKE THE LIGHTNINGS."
Nineveh will be "empty, and void, and waste: and the heart melteth, and the knees smite together, and much pain is in all loins, and the faces of them all gather blackness." (Nahum 2:10).
The next verse starts talking about Babylon. Nahum 2:11-13; 3:1-6 says, "Where is the dwelling of the lions (Babylon), and the feedingplace of the young lions (Babylon III on the Euphrates), where the lion, even the old lion (Nebuchadnezzar), walked, and the lion's whelp (the Beast, Rev. 13:2-10), and none made them afraid?...Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots (millstones) in the smoke, and the sword (Sword of the Lord, the flaming sword of Gen. 3:24) shall devour thy young lions: and I will cut off thy prey from THE EARTH, and the voice of thy messengers shall no more be heard. WOE to the bloody city! it is all full of lies and robbery...The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8) and the glittering spear (the asteroid of Rev. 8:10): and...there is none end of their corpses...Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured HARLOT, the MISTRESS OF WITCHCRAFTS, THAT SELLETH NATIONS THROUGH HER WHOREDOMS, AND FAMILIES THROUGH HER WITCHCRAFTS. BEHOLD, I AM AGAINST THEE, SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6): and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness...and make thee vile, and will set thee as a gazingstock."
The last few verses go past the False Prophet and address Satan, called the eighth in Rev. 17:11. He operates on his own after the False Prophet is deposed and of no use to him anymore. Nahum 3:16-19 says, "Thou hast multiplied thy MERCHANTS above the stars of heaven....Thy crowned (wicked angels, demons) are as the locusts (see Rev. 9:3)...There is no healing of thy bruise; thy wound is grievous: all that hear the bruit of thee shall clap the hands over thee: for upon whom hath not thy wickedness passed continually?"
In Eze. 28:16-18 the Lord also addresses Satan, "By the multitude of thy MERCHANDISE they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering (guarding) cherub (Gen. 3:24), from the midst of the stones of fire (from the planet Rahab in the midst of the planets)....I will cast thee to the ground...I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee." The binary asteroid seems to be a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that blew up.
"Jonah began to enter into the city (of Nineveh) a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown" (Jonah. 3:4). I believe this has its echo in our days. Forty years from the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967, Babylon shall be overthrown. The Feast of Trumpets is Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007, exactly 14 years (7 good and 7 bad) from Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. They were ratified three days later on Tishri 1, and Sept. 13, 2007 just happens to be Tishri 1. So, whether you start with Sept. 13, 1993 and add 14 years, or start with Tishri 1, 5754 and add 14 years, you still come to Sept. 13, 2007. That smacks of God's planning. It reveals his power to bring things to pass exactly on schedule.
Incoming Email What are your thoughts on Daniel 11, especially verse 20 and 21? Do you think the people referred to are living today? If so, who might they be?
My reply As I understand it, chapter 11 is history up until after verse 35 says, "And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to THE TIME OF THE END: because it is YET FOR A TIME APPOINTED." The remainder of the chapter concerns the end time.
Verse 20 seems to be referring to the son of Antiochus the Great.
Verses 21 through 35 seems to be talking about Antiochus Epiphanes, but we can see that he is a type of another "vile person" in the end times. We hear "he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries" of v. 21 applied to the False Prophet.
Verse 31 seems to have a double application, first to Antiochus Epiphanes, then to the False Prophet. It says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."
Chapter 11 ends when the False Prophet is deposed. Chapter 12 begins with that same day. It is the Day of Jacob's Trouble, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. On that day, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time" (Dan. 12:1).
Incoming Email I noted that someone else recently sent you a letter asking you if you didn't feel God's promise to David Gant to return before the year 2000 and little Scotty [autistic child in Texas] that Jesus would return in 1999 would be null and void if the rapture is on next Pentecost as you theorize. Several people have asked you about this. Your response generally is that the only "rock-hard truth we have is the Bible. It is our anchor," and we shouldn't be like children "tossed to and fro" with "every word of doctrine." Well, I perfectly agree with this, Marilyn, but you are quoting this as though it somehow proves YOUR theory that the rapture will be on Pentecost 2000 and that makes you "right" and Scotty and David wrong. As I recall, there is NO definite scripture that supports a Pentecost rapture, not even Song of Solomon for certain.
There is no SCRIPTURE that points to 1999 either or before the year 2000, however, since neiher of these 2 years are indicated for CERTAIN as rapture dates in the Bible, I feel that you are amiss in discounting David's experience [and Scotty's] by quoting scripture to give people the impression that YOU are right about Pentecost, when in fact you may not be. You were mistaken in 1998 about Pentecost and again in 1999, so it seems, no one has all the "facts." I'm not being contrary, believe me, I just feel a sadness that David was told by the Lord to "tell the whole world that I'm coming back for my children before the year 2000" and of course the whole world does NOT believe it, but neither do the Christians. You stated God does "allow us all to be tested," but I don't believe God fibs to us to see how we'll stand up under such a "test". As you yourself stated, God does not lie. Of course, David's experience is not in the Bible, but neither is the CERTAINTY of a Pentecost rapture. I believe it is just as LIKELY that David and Scotty had REAL experiences from God and that they are RIGHT about 1999 as your conclusion of a rapture at Pentecost 2000, that's all. Just my thoughts on the matter. Thanks again for a site that allows differing opinions!
My reply > the only "rock-hard truth we have is the Bible....Well, I perfectly agree with this,
> Marilyn, but you are quoting this as though it somehow proves YOUR theory that the
> rapture will be on Pentecost 2000 and that makes you "right" and Scotty and David wrong.
I certainly didn't say it to prove my theory. I stated it as a matter of fact. I sure hope the Rapture will be in 1999, but I have to be objective. It also may not be in 1999. What is left of it is Israel's rainy season. I can't in my right mind think that it will be in 1999 because of what any person says. I have to examine what the Scripture says. It is God breathed, the sure Word of Truth.
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