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Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Pre-Trib Rapture

I see the greater fulfillment of Daniel 9:27, began on Sept. 13, 1993 when Israel signed the (shabuwa) 7 year peace and security agreement, with (Rabin)the many ones....Many of the other prophecies associated with the time period following the 9/13/93 start, have clicked into place with absolute precision. The US congressional report issued last week sure would indicate we are on the edge of the Gog, Megog war and the fulfillment of Isaiah 17:1. I think that is going to knock the rosey colored pre-trib phony baloney dispensational glasses off of a lot of 'scholars'....

The currrent pre-trib position regarding the only 7 year peace and security agreement in the history of the world is that that can't be the one because we haven't been raptured yet. Classic circular reasoning. That same kind of circular reasoning will line many christians up for the mark of the beast.

My Reply, Subject: 9-13-93 Agreement

The Gog, Magog war takes place on the 2,300th day of the Tribulation when God's fury comes up in his face. Immediately, the "great shaking" takes place. Great "hailstones, fire, and brimstone" fall, and the Sign of the Son of Man is seen "in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD" (Ezek. 38:18-24).

This 2,300-day period includes the time the Jews can sacrifice in the temple and the time that they cannot because it is desecrated (Dan. 8:14). Before that time, there will be wars and rumors of wars. We can't determine the Lord's schedule from rumors of war.

The Pre-Trib Rapture is not the only prophesied thing that did not take place in September, 1993. The temple was not built, and Moses and Elijah did not begin their ministry. The rain was not stopped for 1,260 days either. See Rev. 11:6.

Re: the 9-13-93 peace accord. The "prince that shall come" of Daniel 9:26 is a Roman. Neither Arafat nor Rabin were Roman.

If 9-13-93 was the confirmation of the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27, the temple in Jerusalem would have existed at that time because the sacrificing takes place during the first half of the Tribulation. Moses and Elijah should have started their ministry that day too.

There are 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3) from the confirming of the covenant to the middle of the Tribulation when the Beast sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4), thus stopping the sacrificing. This is also when he kills Moses and Elijah.

If the 1,260 days started 9-13-93, they will end on 16 Adar II (our March 25, 1997)....

Incoming Mail, Subject: Right on the Money

I recently enjoyed reading both of your books, "The End of the Age" and "Heaven Found." To make a long story short, I think what you're saying is right on the money.

One thing you said though, shoked me. In chapter two of your book "Heaven Found" you said that a voice spoke to you in the middle of the night and said, "Be still and know that I am God." You see, this sentence has long been the cornerstone of my awakening to the presence of God. For many years I've listened to a man whose teaching is based on being still and knowing God....

Finally, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing your work and your insights with me. I ask God to bless you for helping me and other believers understand more about the coming events. May God be praised, and his son Jesus come to rule the world!!!

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Book

The next time I read Revelation, it will be from a different perspective. I like your insight that it is written with a focus on the rapture.

My Reply, Subject: Rapture Vantage Point

I'm glad you can see that Revelation was written from the vantage point of the Rapture. It was not until I found this key that I finally was certain who the seven kings of Rev. 17:10 were. It was too easy to be fooled into thinking that the one that "is" was in power when John wrote the script down. The thing that always bothered me about that was that Nimrod (the Tower of Babel) should be number one because Babel was the "MOTHER OF HARLOTS" (false religions). Under the scheme proposed by so many, he was not. On top of that, people kept casting around for the first king and came up with various proposals, Egypt, Assyria, none of which seemed right on the money. Now everything falls into place.

Re: Pentecost. There is another good tie in for Pentecost besides what I mentioned on the Web page (I have now added it). On that day in 30 AD, the church was FILLED with the Holy Spirit. At the Rapture, the church that is FILLED with the Holy Spirit will, I believe, be chosen as the Bride of Christ.

Incoming Mail, Subject: Rapture

You have a very ineresting website...Recently I was holding a nickel with the date 1948 that I had received in change.(I always check my change for old coins). I asked God for insight to any significance. I was thinking of the fig tree verse in Matthew 24 when a voice went through my head. "When you see 1998 stamped on a coin, you know the time is near."

The trumpet for the Day of Atonement was blown on the 7th day of the 10th month. Might this be the day of the last trumpet?

At any rate, God might let all believer's know in time to prevent many major air disasters, etc.

My Reply

Thank you for saying my Web site is interesting.

Yes, Jesus is Lord. He is God Almighty (Rev. 1:8), the first and the last (Rev. 22:13), Lord of the Old Testament as the Pre-incarnate Christ and Lord of the New Testament as the Incarnate Christ.

This is very interesting. You said, "a voice went through my head." When you see 1998 stamped on a coin, you know the time is near." Thank you so much for sharing this with me. The Lord has spoken to me ("Be still and know that I am God," and to my son (a lengthy speech, of which what sticks in his head is that we must be perfect to go in the Rapture.

I heard from a lady who said the Lord said to her, "I am coming in your lifetime." From another, he said, "You will never die." However, nothing there is as specific as your "l998." That zeroes in on a certain year. And it agrees with what I think the scriptures indicate for the first Rapture. That is neat. I think Pentecost seems the most likely.

Remember that Pentecost means 50, just as the Jubilee does. There is a neat correlation between the time of Israel's wilderness wandering and our time here near the end of the age. Israel was born as a nation when they came out of Egypt. Fifty years later, they celebrated the Jubilee. Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948, 50 years later is 1998. Wouldn't that be a great Jubilee for the Church? That year is also the 6,000th since man became mortal when Adam was cast out of the garden.

When Israel came out of Egypt, those men 20 and over were counted. The 19 year olds were considered young. After the older generation died, those going into the promised land were 19 + 40. This is a type of events at the end of this age.

It fits the Fig Tree Parable, which says, "When his branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (young, i.e., 19 years old, not 20), and putteth forth leaves (as Israel did, when she was 19, in the Six-Day War of 1967)...This generation (i.e., 40 years) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

1948 + 19 = 1967 + 40 = 2007. On Tishri 1 in 2007, the Jewish 5768 will begin, the very year when I believe the remnant of Israel will again return to the promised land.

The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9 suggests that there are four Jewish years between the Rapture of the Bride of Christ and the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Tribulation. They could be 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761 (roughly our 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001). If so, the 4 years would run from Pentecost 5758 to Pentecost (or Feast of Weeks) 5761.

The shortened Tribulation runs 2300 days (Daniel 8:14). This ends on the Feast of Trumpets in our 2007.

You said, "The trumpet for the Day of Atonement was blown on the 7th day of the 10th month. Might this be the day of the last trumpet?"

I don't think so. The "last trump" seems to be sounded on the Feast of Trumpets in the Jewish 5768 (our 2007) to call the Tribulation saints to Heaven just before the asteroid hits at noon. They leave Earth on the same day the fire falls, as it was in the days of Lot.

The Jubilee year is announced on the Day of Atonement, but it does not actually begin until the following Nisan 1.

I think Enoch and the days of Noah represent the first Rapture, and Elijah and the days of Noah represent the second Rapture.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Reach Out and Touch Someone

By the looks of things here on your page, you have expanded your ability to reach around the world at the speed of electrons....You're too good kid, this looks great!

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Finally

So now I know who you are! I have been on the net for about 3 years and have searched ever so often for you but came up empty. I bought your book several years ago and have been studying it ever since. I read the book twice before I even noticed that you were a woman! (not that it matters of course!) God bless you and your work.

God really dealt with me about the truth of the end times in about 1991. I studied everything I could get my hands on and then dug into the word to check it out. I was so pumped on the truth and the certainty of it I taught several series in my church. My wife and I believe God revealed many things to us with the end result being changed lives. Knowing this...what sort of person ought we be?........Most thought it was great, enjoyed hearing it and then went on their way with no apparent effect. We were dismayed as we believed God had delivered a real bombshell to us to teach.

Then I found your book. Great work, the pages are so dog eared it's about twice as thick as before. Every time I read it I learn. Every time I read it the scripture stands out in ways I hadn't seen before. To make a long story short (too late) I appreciate you and your all sincerity, you are one of the few people my wife and I would love to spend a evening gleaning.

God bless you and look forward to reading your new book....

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: 2 Raptures

I think that (the possibility of two Raptures, one Pre-Trib., the other Pre-Wrath) is very Scriptural indeed! I agree with 98% of what you wrote in your last letter. We see three raptures: Two firstfruits (pre and mid) and then one called the harvest or ingathering. Every Christian goes up at the harvest, yet only some go in the first two raptures. Anyway, that is how we see it. I thank you for writing and sharing your views. Praise God for your diligence in study.

Incoming E-Mail

You've certainly done your research. May the blessings God has promised to those who study the book of Revelation be yours. I'll keep watching your web page.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Interesting Web Site

Thanks for your positive, inspiring response! I will look up your books. Take Care.

Incoming E-Mail

I have greatly enjoyed reading your Web Pages and I appreciate all of the long studying you have obviously put into creating them. Truly there is no substitue for long and faithful study of God's living Word!

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Jewish Sacred Calendar

My heartfelt thanks for this information goes to Bob Wadsworth.

The calendar that you have is from the Jewish Talmudic, which is the calendar that most use in these times. I have a computer software program (Calmaster 2000) which has both Jewish Talmudic and Hebrew modes. The Hebrew or Sacred Calendar is computed differently from the Jewish Talmudic. The Hebrew calendar was used up to either 1450 or 1650 (I don't have the data in front of me). And from then on, a new way of calculating the Jewish calendar has been used. This is the Jewish Talmudic calendar, the one most use today. About sixty percent of the time, both calendar modes are the same for a given year. Some years, they are 2 or 3 days apart, and may be up to a month apart on when certain dates are. This is due to the fact that they add in the second month, Adar II, in different years. It is beleived by many that the Hebrew, or Sacred Calendar, is more in tune with the actual dates that the feast dates fall on. The program manual for Calmaster 2000 also states that it will soon be necessary to go back to the Hebrew Calendar in order to be in sync again with the feast days. Whenever I give dates, I usually use both calendars with different possibilities on which feast days may occur.

My Reply: Jewish Sacred Calendar

Thank you for your information. I want to get the possible feast dates for Pentecost, 1998, from the different calendars and post it on my Web site.

   Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Jewish Sacred Calendar   

Pentecost 1998, is Sunday, May 31, on both Hebrew and Jewish Talmuduc Calendars....

Would you be so kind as to give me possible dates for these? Sivan 6, 5761 (2001 AD), Tishri 1, 5768 (2007 AD), Nisan 1, 5768 (2008 AD)

   Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Jewish Sacred Calendar   

Sivan 6, 5761 (2001 A.D.) will be on May 28, according to both Jewish Talmudic and Hebrew calendars. According to the Sacred Calendar (term I will use from now on concerning when the first light from the new moon is visible), it is on May 29.

   Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Jewish Sacred Calendar   

Tishri 1, 5768 (2007 A.D.) - September 13, on Jewish Talmudic, Hebrew, and light of the new moon reckoning.....

Nisan 1, 5768 (2008 A.D.) - April 6, Jewish Talmudic; March 8, Hebrew; March 8 or 9 (light of new moon)- hard to tell if light will be visible on March 8. The new moon light in April will be seen April 7. March 8 or 9 is closer to the Spring Equinox than April 6 or 7.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Thank You

I have been wondering about this (I assume he means the date of the Rapture) since I became a believer when I was 8! I have since then felt strongly that He would be coming soon! There are not many people out there to discuss this with, almost seems like they are not ready! Just recently The Lord has spoken to me and I have completely turned my life around and am walking in the way of Jesus! I, during my teenage years, became as the lost sheep! But The Lord , my sheppard, has found me and brought me home! It as if he has been saying "Wake up! The time is at hand , and I need you to spread the Gospel and prophecy of my word for there Is not much time left!" It is interesting that you came up the year 1998! For a long time I have been taking the number of a man "666" and multiplying it by the number of times the number is it self , meaning 666 X 3 , just so happens it is 1998! Maybe God's way of showing me! Also I have found that if you add up time from the Creation of Adam (being 130 yrs when he begot Seth) to the Death of Noah ( 950 yrs old) , (Both of these men where our original forefathers!) and all the generations between you get 2006 yrs! Which is around the time you are speaking about!...

I had the opportunity on April 13th 1997 to Baptize My wife in our church! This was just a part of our cleansing , and we have been reading the Bible every day and constantly praying! He has shown us the way! Thanks again for your thoughts, they have really got us excited! We can't wait! But, we realize that we need to tell as many as we can, so that even if they don't believe now , they will remember what we have shared with them during the Trib! and maybe then they will repent and come to Him! I believe we can bring alot to Him then by what we do and say now!

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Catholic Apparitions

enjoyed your web site, much to be learned. I am a devout Catholic, and many visionaries mention the warning,miracle, permanent sign and the chastisement. In fact Fr. Gobbi, a locutionist whom is very close to the pope states gods reign will commence in the next few years, and antichrist will manifest in 1998. Do you hve any comments on any of these viosionaries and Church approved sites like Fatima, something seems to be in the air. Thank You and God Bless.

My Reply

As for whether antichrist will manifest in 1998 depends on whether the Rapture takes place, as I think it will, in 1998. According to II Thess. 2, the Holy Spirit will restrain him until after Christ comes to take the Bride of Christ to Heaven.

I looked at this passage in the Confraternity, Jerusalem Bible, King James Version, and the New American Bible. Here is what the NAB has:

"On the question of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him (the Rapture), we beg you, brothers (believers), not to be so easily agitated or terrified, whether by an oracular utterance, or rumor, or a letter alleged to be ours, unto believing that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) is here. Let no one seduce you, no matter how. Since the mass apostasy ("apostasia," departure, i.e., the Rapture) has not yet occurred nor the man of lawlessness been revealed--that son of perdition and adversary who exalts himself above every so-called god proposed for worship, he who seats himself in God's temple and even declares himself to be God...You know what restrains him until he shall be revealed in his own time. The secret force of lawlessness is already at work, mind you, but there is one (the Holy Spirit) who holds him back until that restrainer shall be taken from the scene."

When the Holy Spirit will be taken from the scene will be when he takes the Bride of Christ to Heaven at the time of the Rapture. He will return but will not continue to restrain after that.

Truly, something is in the air. Many can see the signs now....

We have to be ready at any time to go in the Rapture. That means praying and asking Christ to be our Saviour is wise. It means obeying I John 1:9, which says, "If we confess our sins (to God), he (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." We want to appear before God as wise pure virgins.

As for apparitions, there we have to be careful not to be misled and seduced by Satan's wicked angels. The only rock-hard truth we have to go by is the Bible....

There is a warning for our times in Revelation 2:19f that we must take heed to: It says, I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (join together), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication (joining); and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come...I will give him the morning star (literally, this morning star is Heaven). He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (believers who already have the morning star Jesus Christ in their hearts)."

Here we can see that in the end times, there is a danger from some kind of Jezebel who calls herself a prophetess, from joining (probably world church and world government), and from "the depths of Satan, as they speak." In our days, we must be super careful not to listen to "Jezebel." We must try the spirits whether they are of God and compare what they say with Scripture.

I John 4:1-3 says, "BELOVED (i.e., believers), believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

I Tim. 4:1 warns, "NOW the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils." We do not want to be seduced by these spirits, so just be wary. You can't go wrong with the Bible. You can be led astray by seducing spirits if you are not careful.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Shabbat & the Book of Revelation

Forwarded to me from another ongoing discussion

The problem I have is, if the Sabbath is so important to the new covenant, why would Jesus give John this wonderful revelation on 'the imperial day' which is as you said, a Sunday. Am I missing something here? Believe me I am not being argumentive. My point is that the book of Revelations seems deeply Jewish with its temple language, etc.

And so you would think in giving John such a revelation that would serve to complete the canon of Scripture, the Lord would have given it to him on Shabbat. See my dilemna? This seems to disarm the issue of Shabbat continuing as an extra-special day in the new covenant.

My Reply

I would like to make a few comments pertaining to what ----- wrote about Jesus giving John The Revelation on Sunday.

Considering the importance of Shabbat, which is still Saturday, I think you brought up a good point. At first glance, it does seem that it would have been a nice touch to finish the scriptures on Shabbat.

However, trust the Lord to know what he is doing. He had a good reason for giving The Revelation of Jesus Christ on Sunday. When Jesus Christ will be revealed to the Church is at the Rapture, which will be on Sunday.

Jesus is the playwright of this dramatic production. As playwright, he chose the time that it would take place. He viewed what had passed, what happened at the time of the Rapture, and what was to follow hereafter, all from the vantage point of the Rapture.

The Rapture "is at hand" in the first chapter (1:3) and is still "at hand" in the last chapter (22:10). The Rapture is when Jesus comes quickly. He comes "unto thee quickly" in 2:5 and still says, "I come quickly" as he signs off.

In the 8th verse, he tells us exactly who he is: "I am Alpha (the first) and Omega (the last), the beginning (Yahweh) and the ending (Jesus Christ), saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty." You see, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

John experienced the Rapture both in the Preview in the first chapter and in Rev. 4:1. In the Preview, he stood on Patmos, which means mortal, and suddenly became in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard the Lord's trumpet voice calling him up.

In 4:1, he said, "the FIRST voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither." It was the same voice as in the Preview.

In the Preview, John was caught up to Heaven. He saw Christ standing in the midst of the seven churches that had just been raptured. He still had the star performers in his hand for he had just snatched them up.

Following the Preview, Jesus gave a message for the seven church groups. In each, he included a description of himself as John saw him in the Preview of the Rapture. To Ephesus he was "he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. To Smyrna, he is "the first and the last." To Sardis he hath "the seven stars."

He is viewing each group when the Rapture is at hand. He starts with some of their history and then stretches it up to the present. To some, he even mentions what will happen to some of them who get left behind. Some of Thyatira will be cast "into great tribulation." Some of Laodicea will be spewed out of the Body of Christ. As foolish virgins, they will find that the door has closed and they are left behind.

When the Rapture is at hand, the door in heaven is already open. To the Philadelphians, he says, "I have set before thee an open door." To the Laodiceans, the door closes.

The rest of Revelation concerns what follows the Rapture. Jesus told John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture)" (1:19).

I hope this helps you understand why The Revelation of Jesus Christ was written on Sunday. I expect to be caught up on Sunday too.

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee

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