Marilyn, the bible does not say that. It says we will escape his wrath. There is no scripture that says we will be raptured before the tribulation. Jesus said no we won't. He tells us when.
***From Marilyn: Do you really want to say, "Jesus said no we won't"??? I would be afraid to say he said something he didn't say. He did give us enough clues to be able to figure it all out, though, because he said, "I have foretold you ALL THINGS" (Mk. 13:23). We have to search for the hidden clues. Prov. 2:3-5 tells us how to search. It says, "Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for HID TREASURES; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God."
You may wonder why the Lord didn't tell us plainly. Isa. 28:13 explains that "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept...line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." You see, it takes the indwelling Spirit of Christ to help us understand. To the unbeliever, it is so much nonsense.
Hold on, I'm going to send you something I got sent about the rapture. It states every pre-trib verse and assumption and why it isn't so. Here comes. Now if you're not willing to read with an open mind, well, that's up to you. I will not change my beliefs based on interpretation of scripture. I base mine on word for word scripture, not some pastor's interpretation of if. If it does not say something, I don't try to get it to. Here, just read and then think about it.
***Claud, I use an old Mac and Netscape 2.0. I can't open .doc files. I would really like to see this. Would you/could you save it text only or ASCII, or Copy and Paste it into the email document...
I read with an open mind, that's for sure. I weigh each point and compare it with Scripture. If it stands the test, I keep it. If it does not, I throw it away. I am eager to learn. I only want to know the truth. I have no pet beliefs to defend, no chip on my shoulder. I have studied as hard as I can go since before 1960, have read every word of more than 15 versions of the Bible. I know what I believe and exactly why I believe it. But, that doesn't mean that I won't change if you can show me that Scripture indicates something different. I don't accept what people say unless it jibes with Scripture. I accept Scripture as God breathed 100% truth in its original editions....
Incoming Email From Claud:
No problem. I've been there. Sorry. I use an AMD K6-2 350mhz. Will do that for you.
It's fun debating with you. 40Meg HD? Mercy kid. You need a much bigger system nowadays.
You'll have to upgrade after the first of the year or it won't work.
***From Marilyn: I pray that it will work. We are bankrupt, but long ago, my husband decided on a Mac for me. That way I didn't have to stop work on my book to learn to use the computer. The Apple rep met with me one time and showed me what I needed to know to get started. After that, I was off and running. As I understand it, Macs never did have a Y2K problem. It seems that the Lord may have been guiding Ed.
Note: I set my date year to 1971 also as a precaution.
***Thanks. I got the HTML you sent and was able to Copy and Paste into a BBEdit document. It is 38K. My Pro and Cons are around 30K. Since I do not think the Rapture has ever been imminent, but pre-planned before the world began, I will omit that part and see how it goes.
Incoming Email Do you believe that the antichrist may come out of Syria? Some Scriptures do seem to indicate that he will come from Syria. In Daniel chapter 2 an image is revealed that represents five kingdoms. The head of gold was Babylon, the breast and arms of silver was Medo-Persia (note there are two arms for the Medes and the Persians), the belly and thighs of brass was Greece, and the legs of iron was the Roman empire. (Note again that the two legs represent the eastern and western groups of nations that were under the ancient rule of Rome.) The final part of the beast was the two feet of iron and clay representing the final powers on earth. Again it should be a Roman empire of two divisions; five eastern nations or toes and five western nations or toes. It is likely not to be one group of ten nations from the west only.
When Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided into four divisions for his four generals and these nations were known as Greece, Turkey, Syria, and Egypt. The little horn, who is the antichrist, seems to come out of one of these four nations. Thus if the European federation of nations is to make up the ten nations at the end time to parallel the Roman empire, as is commonly believed today, there will be ten toes on one foot rather than five toe nations on each foot. Scriptures seem to designate the antichrist in several ways, including the king of Assyria and the king of Babylon. Thus it is not surprising that he may come from the eastern part of the ancient Roman empire. All of the first four kingdoms in the image of the beast in Daniel chapter 2 were from the east.
Daniel chapter 7 shows in verse 7 that the antichrist will come out of the ten nations that will be formed within the boundaries of the ancient Roman empire and that leaves out many of the nations now included in the European community.
Daniel chapter 8 tells of a vision in verse 3, that has a ram with two horns and one was higher than the other. In verse 5 it says that a he goat is also seen and that it had a notable horn between his eyes. The goat is Greece and the ram is the Medes and Persians ( so says verses 20 and 21). The great horn that came out of this he goat, Greece, was Alexander the great and this horn was broken (verse 22) to be the four kingdoms that succeeded him as mentioned above.
Daniel chapter 11 from verses 1 to 35 deals with about 150 years of historical wars between Syria and Egypt and indicates that the king of the north ( Syria ) would prevail in this battle. But in verse 36 the prophet seems to go ahead into the very end of time to give the prophetical application because his prophetic story is almost concluded in this chapter. ( Perhaps this verse should have been the beginning of a new chapter.) These verses will typify the arrival of the antichrist who is to come from the northern kingdom (see verse 40 to 42) who has succeeded against the southern kingdom. The northern of these two nations is Syria today.
When some of the middle east nations form some kind of amalgamation with some of the European nations there will be a strong indication that the antichrist is shortly to set up his rule on earth. Some of the above assumptions may be in error, but it does seem quite apparent that the end time ten nation kingdom will be composed of both an eastern and a western group of nations.
I very much appreciate your web site and have followed it with great interest for about a year now. You have an incredible understanding of end time events and their chronology. I live in B.C., Canada and this is my first email to you. Thank you if you are able to acknowledge this query.
My reply Thanks for your kind words. I owe the Lord the credit for any understanding I might have. Early on, after 7 years of constantly reading of about an 18" stack of books from BIOLA's (Bible Institute of Los Angeles') La Mirada, CA, Library every week, I despaired of finding answers to some burning questions. I opened my Bible, put my hands on it, and said, "Lord! you'll have to show me. I want to know everything you want man to know about the Bible, all the deep things--everything." Since that day, he has helped me find the answers I sought, plus many more. As much as I knew about the Bible, I still had no idea how much that one book had in it. I don't think one person can ever dig it all out in one lifetime. All we can do is try. It is so evident that only God could have written Scripture. Every word counts. The complex interweaving of types and information could never have been accomplished by man. The "here a little, and there a little" of Isa. 28:13 is so beyond the ability of man, it is astonishing.
I have not gone into where the False Prophet comes from as much as other subjects, but said in my book that the Satan-possessed False Prophet (of Rev. 13:11-18), the final Antichrist, may be a Syrian Jew.
All the empires represented by Nebuchadnezzar's image are said to be world empires. They may have been of the then known world, but nevertheless are called world empires. I think this is because in our times, there will be a world government headed up during the first half of the Tribulation by the Tribulation Pope. Under the Pope (the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10), there will be 10 regional kings over the 10 regions that this world has already been divided into by those that want a One-World Government.
The great red dragon (Satan) has 7 heads and 10 horns (Rev. 12:3). I think the Tribulation Pope will be the 6th head, the False Prophet will be the 7th, and Satan himself will be the 8th (Rev. 17:10-12). The prophet that teaches lies will be the tail (Isa. 9:15), so he is the one that is Satan possessed. That is why Rev. 13:11 says, "he spake as a dragon." Agape
Incoming Email FWD: S.R. Shearer wrote:
Now in all of this - i.e., the study of Daniel's Seventieth Week - it is of the utmost importance to grasp this one fundamental fact: the Judgment of God - His wrath - begins ONLY WITH THE SEVEN VIALS which occur at the end of the Seventieth Week [and after the Seventh Trump of God - at which time the resurrection and the rapture occur (Matt. 24:29-31; I Thess. 4:16-17)]. The Scriptures are quite specific as to this:
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven LAST plagues (i.e., the seven vials); FOR IN THEM IS FILLED UP THE WRATH OF GOD....
***From Marilyn: The Day of God's Wrath has come in Rev. 6:17. On this Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord, the 7 trumpet judgments are cast on Earth. Two large pieces of an asteroid impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10). The effects given under the 7 trumpet judgments are immediate. The vials are the effects after some time has gone by. "FOR IN THEM IS FILLED UP THE WRATH OF GOD."
The false perception of God's wrath as extending over the entire length of the Seventieth Week leads, naturally enough, to the erroneous conclusion that the church will be raptured BEFORE the Tribulation, because the Church is not appointed to wrath....
***The Day of God's Wrath is the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14; Rev. 6:17). It is the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord. That does not keep the wise virgin Bride of Christ in the Tribulation though.
the wrath of God [which is to be differentiated from the Tribulation of the Saints] is contained only in the Seven Vials, which are to be poured out at the END of the Seventieth Week....
***Whenthe 2nd trumpet sounded, the "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:4,5): and the third part of the sea became blood" (Rev. 8:8). When the 2nd vial was poured out "upon the sea...it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" (Rev. 16:3). Do you see the progression?
At the Seventh Trumpet, the following occurs:
1.The Resurrection and the Rapture.
2.The Temple in Heaven is opened. (Rev. 15:5)
3.Babylon is destroyed (Rev. 16:19).
4.The Lord comes to rule and reign. (Rev. 11:15-16)...
***I don't think so. If the Rapture were at the seventh trumpet, the saints would have to go through God's Wrath. Even the Tribulation saints are caught up (Rev. 7:14) before the first trumpet sounds in Rev. 8. The Second Advent is 7 months after the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 39:12).
"... He hath appointed a day in which He will judge the world..." (Acts 17:31)....
***I think it is Sept. 13, 2007, Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets.
Certain Christians have attempted to answer the puzzle by contending that these two witnesses are Moses and Elijah [some say Moses and Enoch or Elijah and Enoch] who shall come back to earth and testify in the city of Jerusalem for 3-1/2 years, breathing fire from their mouths like human torches. But such an interpretation borders on the absurd and is unreasonable...
how then can we account for the apparent omnipresence of the Two Witnesses? ...
"God has, on occasion, set His Law aside in order to intervene directly in the affairs of man, such as when He made the sun to stand still for Moses."...
***I thought it was Joshua's Long Day.
"... the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit [Antichrist] will make war against them [the Two Witnesses], overcome them, and kill them ..." (Revelation 11:7)....
The word mache means battle, while the word polemos means war. Their meaning is the same, but, once again, their scope is vastly different. A battle is a single isolated engagement between two opposing armies which - though it can be terribly intense in and of itself - is still limited in time and space, while polemos is a whole SERIES of battles fought over a much longer period of time and over a much greater stretch of territory....POLEMOS IS THE WORD USED IN REVELATION 11:7. Even if the word mache had been the one used in connection with the Two Witnesses, the use of that word in connection with two single human beings would have been rendered unintelligible. But to use the word polemos in reference to the murder of two single individuals in the city of Jerusalem is akin to using a nuclear bomb to kill a gnat. It renders it impossible - it's sheer idiocy....
***It is real. Their dead bodies lay in Jerusalem for 3.5 days, then they are resurrected and ascend to Heaven when the Lord says, "Come up hither," as he does at the Rapture. Polemos is translated "battle" 5 times.
THE TWO WITNESSES AS CORPORATE PERSONS
But again, the answer is not all that difficult. Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge concerning the Bible knows that the Bible has a lot to say about another kind of being, another kind of entity; God calls these entities by name and refers to them as "beloved." They are two in number and they are CORPORATE beings: Israel and the Church!...
It is here, in the streets of Babylon in its empire-wide sense, that the Two Witnesses shall lie; and it is here in the streets of Babylon - where false and apostate religion has always thrived - that the Lord of Glory was crucified....
That this entire section is symbolical can easily be seen: to calculate that one-tenth of the city was 7,000 people, and that hence the entire city (i.e., Jerusalem - or New York, or Washington D.C, or whatever) was 70,000 (i.e., ten-tenths) borders on the absurd. "...
***Of course. Rev. 11:13 says, " And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city (i.e., buildings) fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand." We can't multiply apples by oranges here. The 10th and the 7000 are of two different things.
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