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exactly where does it talk about Rahab?

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Rahab means large, borders or extent of a kingdom, and proud. It must have been a good sized planet.

I have collected different versions of the Bible. When I find one interesting verse, I look it up in all of them. I generally end up with a better understanding of that verse than I could get from just the KJV. I think you will see what I mean by looking at the comparison's below.

Job 26:11-14 (Jerusalem Bible) says, "The pillars of the heavens tremble, awe-struck at his threats. By his power, he has whipped up the Sea (I think he removed the Moon material from our Pacific Basin by asteroid impact), by his skill, HE HAS CRUSHED RAHAB. His breath has made the heavens luminous (the blackness of space lit up by the impact explosions on Rahab and then Earth), his hand transfixed the Fleeing Serpent (Satan). This is only a fraction of what he has done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo." That is clearer than in the KJV, where Rahab is translated as "proud."

Job 26:11-14 (NASB): "The pillars of heaven tremble, And are amazed at His rebuke. He quieted the sea with His power, And by His understanding HE SHATTERED RAHAB. By His breath the heavens are cleared; His hand has pierced the fleeing SERPENT (Satan)...."

Psa. 89:9-11 (KJV): "Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Thou hast BROKEN RAHAB IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine."

Psa. 89:9-11 (Concordant Literal Old Testament): You are Ruler over the swelling sea; When its billows are lifted, You becalm them. You CRUSHED RAHAB who became like one slain; With Your strong arm You dispersed Your enemies. Yours are the heavens; indeed Yours is the earth."

Isa. 51:9 (KJV): "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath CUT RAHAB, and wounded (chalal, pierced through) the DRAGON (Satan)."

Isa. 51:9 (Lamsa): "...Surely it was thou that didst DECREE A SEVERE SENTENCE that didst SLAY THE DRAGON.

Isa. 51:9 (NEB): "...Was it not you who HACKED THE RAHAB IN PIECES and ran the DRAGON through?"

Isa. 51:9 (JB): "...Was it not you who SPLIT RAHAB in half, who pierced the DRAGON through."

We can see that there must have been a judgment against Satan. His sin was great for his planet to be split into pieces. That won't happen to the Earth. It will be hard hit and turned upside down. Civilization as we know it will be destroyed, but the Earth will remain. The Lord will hold it together. Psa. 75:3 (Conc.) says, "Though the earth is undermined, and all those dwelling in it, I Myself steady its columns."

What looks like a binary asteroid twice as long as it is wide (Zech. 5:2), similar to Toutatis, will probably break apart at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out, releasing a hail of inbound boulders and smaller stones. The "great mountain burning with fire" (Rev. 8:8) is to impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). The "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10) is the "stone like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21) that will destroy Babylon on the Euphrates River.

The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the same day, but before the asteroids impact at noon. It is like Lot being brought out of Sodom just prior to an asteroid impact that destroyed the cities of the plain and cracked the Earth. That Great Rift Valley extends approx. 5000 miles from Turkey all the way to Lake Nyasa in Africa.

Josephus wrote of Sodom, saying, "The country of Sodom borders upon it (lake Asphaltitis, i.e., our Dead Sea,). It was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities, although it be now all burnt up. It is related how, for the impiety of its inhabitants, it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that Divine fire, and the traces of the five cities are still to be seen, as well as the ashes growing in their fruits, which fruits have a colour as if they were fit to be eaten but if you pluck them with your hand, they dissolve into smoke and ashes" (Wars. IV. VIII. 4). This should be a lesson to mankind today.

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

***From Marilyn: "He apostasia," translated in the KJV as "a falling way" means "the departure," and was so translated in early Bibles, Coverdale's, Tyndale's, Cranmer's, The Geneva Bible, Beza's, Breecher's and The Great Bible. It is the Rapture that comes first. The man of sin, the Satan-possessed False Prophet, is revealed second.

(2 Th 2:3) THIS 2nd LETTER WAS WRITTEN SO PEOPLE WHO ARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH WOULD NOT BE CONFUSED BY THE FIRST BOOK THES-1. THIS IS WHERE MAN TRIES TO JUSTIFY THE "RAPTURE." THE WORD "RAPTURE" IS NOT ANY WHERE IN THE BIBLE, IN ANY LANGUAGE.

***The Greek word "harpazo," translated "caught up" in I Thess. 17, is "rapiemir" in my Latin translation. Rapture is English, from the Latin "raptus." Our word "rapid" is from "rapere, to seize, sweep away by a fast rate of motion. That is what will happen at the Rapture. If you want to call the Departure, the Harpazo, you are welcome to do so. Harpazo means take by force, take away, carry off, or catch up.

THE "RAPTURE THEORY" IS ALL BECAUSE A PARTIALLY MENTALLY ILL GIRL IN 1830 HAD A DREAM. TWO SO CALLED "MEN OF GOD" WERE PRESENT DOCUMENTING INCORRECTLY THE DREAM THE GIRL HAD AND BECAUSE EVERY ONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EASY WAY OUT, IT WAS EASY FOR THE DREAM TO SEEM TRUE TO GOD'S WORD. THE GIRL EVEN SAID SOMETHING FELT EVIL BUT OF COURSE MAN CONVENIENTLY FORGETS TO MENTION THESE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WITH THE HELP OF SATAN AND THE PULPIT, IT COVERED MANY LANDS AND RELIGIONS.

***This is not so. The Rapture before the Tribulation was taught in early days. In his just-under-1500-word sermon, "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World," Pseudo-Ephraem (c.374-627 AD) said, "All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR IN 2THES. 2:3, FALLING AWAY IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANS DEFLECTION FROM THE TRUTH.

***"He apostasia" means "the departure," as the separation in an "apostacion," "divorcement."

AS IT IS WRITTEN THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME UNTIL THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED. "THE SON OF PERDITION" . THAT IS ONLY ONE BEING, SATAN. FOR HE IS THE ONLY ONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT IS SENTENCED TO DEATH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.

***The Satan-possessed one is the False Prophet who rules the last half of the Tribulation.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV) Then we which are alive
(1 Th 4:17) AIR IS NOT USED TO DESCRIBE AIR AS IN THE AIR AROUND US. IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, IT MEANS THE BREATH OF LIFE ALSO TO BREATH UNCONSCIOUSLY. KEEP IN MIND AT THE TRUE MESSIAH'S RETURN WE ARE ALL CHANGED INTO OUR INCORRUPTIBLE BODIES. GET YOURSELF A STRONGS CONCORDANCE (ABOUT $30) AND LOOK THESE UP FOR YOURSELF, G109 & G5594 AND GOD WILLING YOU HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND YOU WILL NOT BE DECEIVED BY THE SPURIOUS MESSIAH (SATAN). THERE IS AN OLD SAYING "THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS" WELL WE KNOW THAT AND SO DOES SATAN. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE ELECT (GOD'S FAVORITE AND CHOSEN) THE MAJORITY WILL BE AGAINST YOU IN LARGE NUMBERS BUT YOU MUST BE STRONG DON'T LET THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD DECEIVE YOU FOR IT IS WRITTEN MANY WILL BE DECEIVED (MATTHEW 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21) TO NAME A FEW. KNOWING THE TRUTH IN THESE DAYS WILL NOT MAKE YOU POPULAR TO PUT IT MILDLY BUT WOULD YOU RATHER PLEASE GOD AND BE WITH JESUS IN THE MILLENNIUM (EZEK 40) OR SPEND IT PROVING YOURSELF BY YOUR DEEDS FOR A THOUSAND YEARS BECAUSE YOU HAVE LISTENED TO MANS COMFORTING LITTLE STORIES?

***Under Strong's 5594, it says, "109, which refers prop. to an INANIMATE breeze." Aer (109) means air and is translated that way 7 times and is not translated by any other word in the KJV. Aer is FROM aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire), but that is not exactly what aer means. Aer is an inanimate breeze. Young's Concordance gives the meaning of aer as "AIR, ATMOSPHERE." Aer is used in Rev. 9:2, "and the sun and the AIR were darkened." Try putting "BREATH OF LIFE" or "TO BREATH UNCONSCIOUSLY" in that sentence. I doesn't work. He is twisting the true meaning to suit his own purposes.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (KJV) , whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(2 Th 2:9) "AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN". EVEN IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE DEEP ROOTED "RAPTURE BELIEVERS" WHO BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO MEET JESUS IN THE CLOUDS, (WHETHER IT BE IN THE CLOUDS OR HE SETS HIS FOOT ON THE EARTH) THE COMING OF JESUS, WHICH YOU JUST READ, WILL BE AFTER THE WORKINGS OF SATAN. YOU CAN FLUFF IT UP ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH SATAN PLAYING JESUS. LIKE IT OR NOT, SATAN IS SETTING THE STAGE FROM THE PULPIT. DON'T LISTEN TO ANY MAN. READ THE WORD OF GOD FOR YOURSELF, THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, GO AND LISTEN. IF IT DOES NOT ALIGN TO THE WORD OF GOD, THE ANSWER SHOULD BE OBVIOUS. DON'T LISTEN TO THEORIES, TRADITIONS OR OPINIONS OF MAN. DEMAND YOUR ANSWERS TO BE DOCUMENTED IN THE WORD OF GOD EXACTLY HOW IT WAS WRITTEN WITHOUT TAKING AWAY OR ADDING TO IT. ALSO THERE ARE NO BUTS OR WHAT IFS. PRAY FOR WISDOM AND USE YOUR OWN MIND. UNLESS WE PASS ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE WILL ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH SATAN. WITH HIM LOOKING AS BEAUTIFUL AS CAN BE. WITH HIM ATTEMPTING TO FILL ALL YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS.

***I am looking for the Lord Jesus Christ, as commanded in Scripture. I am sorry he is looking for Satan. We are not commanded to look for Satan, or for anyone but Christ.

***Titus 2:12,13 says, "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." The things in God's Word that we are to be looking for are the "blessed hope" (the Rapture) and the "appearing" of "Jesus Christ." In Lu. 21:36, we are to "pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

***In Rev. 1:20, "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." Therefore, when Rev. 1:13 says, "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man," it is a picture of us in Heaven immediately after being caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. John is one of the 24 elders that are part of the Rapture, and in this Preview of the Rapture, John hears Christ's voice like a trumpet, leaves Patmos (which means mortal), becomes in the Spirit and is caught up to Heaven. There, John is part of the group standing before Christ. We are to pray that we will be accounted worthy to escape the Tribulation and to stand before him as part of the group represented by the seven candlesticks.

Ezekiel 13:20 (KJV) Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make
Ezek 13:20 PILLOWS IS AN ANALOGY. IN OTHER WORDS TO MAKE THINGS SOUND COMFORTING TO PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A NICE EASY WAY OUT, LIKE THE RAPTURE LIE?

***The Rapture is not the lie. His saying that "YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH SATAN PLAYING JESUS" and "WE WILL ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH SATAN. WITH HIM LOOKING AS BEAUTIFUL AS CAN BE. WITH HIM ATTEMPTING TO FILL ALL YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS" in not true. We are not in the Tribulation, and if we are smart, and are wise virgins, we will not ever be in the Tribulation.

GOD IS AGAINST THOSE THAT TEACH HIS PEOPLE TO FLY TO SAVE THEIR SOULS.

***I don't know exactly what that Old Testament passage means, but we are living under the New Covenant. It is reassuring that the Rapture passage in I Thess. 4:13-18 ends with, "Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words."

AGAIN THE RAPTURE LIE? YOU CAN'T FLY AWAY AND DO GOD'S WILL ON EARTH AT THE SAME TIME. IF GOD DID NOT USE HIS ELECT TO STAND AGAINST SATAN THEN WHO WOULD HE COUNT ON OR USE?

***Many will see the Rapture, fear and trust in the Lord (Psa. 40:1-3). The foolish Laodicean virgins will be cut off from the Body of Christ and be appointed "his portion with the unbelievers" (Lu. 12:46). The two witnesses, Moses and Elijah will prophesy. God never leaves himself without a witness. Only the wise virgins go with the Bridegroom, because only they are ready when he comes. They are watching and looking for him. Those that believe this one's words about "SATAN PLAYING JESUS" are watching and looking for Satan instead OF CHRIST.

WHO COULD BE USED AS A TESTIMONY TO JESUS, A WEAKER PERSON THAT DOESN'T CARE OR EVEN KNOW THE WORD OF GOD? I AM SURE GOD DOES NOT PLAN TO BE A MADE A FOOL OF.

***That is for sure; "GOD DOES NOT PLAN TO BE A MADE A FOOL OF." When he tells us to be looking for Christ and our blessed hope, that is exactly what we should do.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(2 Th 2:11) THIS STRONG DELUSION WILL BE SENT BECAUSE GOD IS DISGUSTED AND HURT WITH THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF OUR SO CALLED "MEN OF GOD" (NOT ALL BUT MANY.) SO IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE A LIE, LISTEN TO THE RAPTURE TEACHERS AND ALL THE NEWEST RELIGIONS. YOU CAN CHOOSE NOW AND BE WITH JESUS IN THE MILLENNIUM (EZEK STARTING AT CHAPTER 40:1) OR SPEND THE THOUSAND YEARS PROVING YOURSELF BY YOUR DEEDS AND NOT FAITH. FAITH IS BELIEVING IN JESUS WITHOUT SEEING HIM SO THERE WILL BE NO FAITH BECAUSE JESUS WILL BE HERE.

***It sounds like he does not even have a heavenly hope, like he intends to stay on Earth all during the Millennium. Is this why Jesus told us to send treasures ahead to heaven, so we would be separated from them for 1000 years? Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you (he went to prepare it in Heaven). And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" (Jn. 14:2,3).

***I think we will be here awhile to help set up the Millennial government and then return with Christ to Heaven. If we are needed here after that, we can travel back and forth. In Amos. 9:11, the Lord said, "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen...and I will build it as in the days of old." Jer. 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Eze. 37:24 says, "And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have ONE shepherd." Eze. 34:23 says, "I will set up ONE shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince AMONG THEM; I the LORD have spoken it."

Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation(1), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

(Rev 3:10) IN MY OPINION, THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION FOR THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE WHEN SATAN COMES BEFORE JESUS, PLAYING THE ROLE OF JESUS.

***The trial that is to come upon the whole world is the Tribulation. It looks like the big temptation will be to take the Mark of the Beast to be able to access money in the bank and be able to buy and sell.

THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD WILL BE DECEIVED. SEEING THE POWER OF HIM WILL BE OVERWHELMING. HE IS CAPABLE OF TAKING ANY FORM AND DOING SUPERNATURAL WONDERS. THE ONLY THINGS HE CAN NOT DO IS, CREATE LIFE OR REPENT TO SAVE HIS OWN. "TEMPTATION" THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION WHICH WILL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD. HE IS THE TEMPTOR AND THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE WILL BE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, WOULDN'T YOU THINK?

***No. We will be in Heaven, a better place. Thou "shalt VISIT THY HABITATION, and shalt not sin" (Job 5:24).

1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(1 Cor 15:52) "AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED" THIS WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE WHEN THE TRUE JESUS RETURNS AND ALL WILL BE CHANGED INTO OUR SPIRITUAL BODIES. IT WILL HAVE MASS, IT WILL BE A MATERIAL BODY BUT NOT OF THE SAME MATERIAL OUR BODIES ARE MADE UP OF TODAY, IT WILL NOT GET SICK OR FEEL HURT. HERE IS AN OVER SIMPLIFICATION BUT IT WILL MAKE A POINT, IF YOU TURN ON YOUR T.V. RADIO OR HAVE YOUR FRIENDS KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR SAYING JESUS HAS RETURNED AND YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE YOURSELF AS ANYTHING BUT FLAWLESS OR YOU FEEL THE SAME OLD PAINS, ITS NOT JESUS, IT IS SATAN.

***Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me" (Rev. 3:20).

Romans 11:8 (KJV) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber(1), eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

(1) "SLUMBER" GOD HAS SET THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER ON MANY PEOPLE.

***Rom. 11:8 is talking about Israel. Rom. 11:7 says, "What then? ISRAEL hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

TO BE ONE OF THE ELECT MEANS TO BE GODS CHOSEN OR FAVORITE MENTIONED IN ROMANS 11:7, AND SIXTEEN OTHER PLACES IN THE LETTER TO YOU (THE BIBLE). WHY HAS GOD SET THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER ON SO MANY? WELL, MANY DON'T KNOW OUR SOULS WERE CREATED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH. HE KNEW YOU THEN, HE KNOWS YOU NOW AND HAS A PREDESTINED PLAN FOR YOU IF YOU ARE AMONG THE ELECT. THERE ARE OTHER REASONS BUT WE WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL ALL OF GOD'S PLAN COMES TO PASS.

Revelation 2:11 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

(Rev 2:11) REV 2:10 TO OVERCOME MEANS TO GET THE VICTORY. THE VICTORY OVER SATAN. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO FLY AWAY AS IN THE RAPTURE THEORY AND BE HERE AT THE SAME TIME TO STAND AGAINST SATAN AS A TESTIMONY FOR THE NAME OF JESUS?

***There will come a time when "night cometh, when no man can work" (Jn. 9:4). The Lord has given us a precious promise of escaping "all these things" (Lu. 21:36). If we do not avail ourselves of it, the fault is ours. Even Moses and Elijah will be killed.

ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ANTICHRIST'S ARRIVAL BEFORE JESUS' WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS. OUR FATHER ONLY USES THE BEST PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO HE HAS CHOSEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH. HIS ELECT.

***The Satan-possessed False Prophet will not arrive before Jesus. The Holy Spirit "is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time" (NIV). The Holy Spirit "will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way (at the Rapture). And then the lawless one will be revealed" (II Thess. 2:6). He will be revealed when he and the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 confirm the peace covenant as the Beast begins his 1260-day rule. The Holy Spirit will restrain the appearance of the Wicked One until he has us safe in Heaven. Then he will quit restraining him. The trial that is to come upon the whole world can begin.

***Some people say that if the Holy Spirit takes us to Heaven, he wouldn't be here during the Tribulation. That person underestimates the Spirit of God. He is omnipresent. He is omnipotent. He is everywhere and has the power to take us to Heaven and still keep control of all things on Earth.

1 Timothy 6:20 (KJV) O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane
(1 Tim 6:20) OH WELL THERE GOES THOUSANDS OF THEORIES ALONG WITH EVOLUTION. WE DID NOT COME FROM THE SEA OR EVOLVE FROM APES. THE ONLY MISSING LINK IN A SCIENTIST'S MIND, IS THE LINK BETWEEN HIM AND GOD. A SMALL BUT GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW MEN WITH GOOD INTENTIONS CAN TURN THE TRUTH 180 DEGREES AROUND.

***He should read I Tim. 6:14, "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until THE APPEARING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." It sure doesn't say until the appearing of Satan.

***"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END for the grace that is to be brought unto you AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" (I Pet. 1:13). When is "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST"? It is when he is revealed to us at the Rapture.

***And how will he look then? Rev. 1:13-16 says, "in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (the star performers of the seven church groups that he has just snatched up): and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

***Why does he have "a sharp twoedged sword" at the Rapture? to cut off the foolish virgins and lukewarm Laodiceans. "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he LOOKETH NOT FOR HIM, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers" (Lu. 12:46).

***Who besides unbelievers are in the Tribulation? Mt. 24:51 says, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:14) with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Then, one would probably hear among the weeping unwise servants, "It might have been." They come so close to gaining the greatest prize of all, being chosen as the Bride of Christ and taken to Heaven before the Tribulation, and then they muff it. No wonder "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

***We have a decision to make. Will we obey Lu. 21:36, or not? It says, "PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN."

***HEB. 12:25 warns, "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they ESCAPED NOT who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall NOT WE ESCAPE, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM THAT SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN." I feel sorry for mrstiks.
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FWD: good post on 5Dmrstiks@angelfire.com
I have always been intrigued by the warning Noah received before the flood. "For yet seven days". Because Noah received a warning of when God would judge the wicked it would seem we could possibly be warned by the HS before the rapture comes.
What I have stumbled onto recently has shocked me? I am not setting dates. I am just looking for clues. It would seem that God has been speaking to us the last seven years, given the strange foreshadows listed:
1993-Oslo signed (foreshadow of the 7year antichrist covenant)
1994-Shoemaker-Levy Comet fragments into 21 pieces and slams into Jupiter (foreshadow of 21 judgements of tribulation given in Revelation)
1995-Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (foreshadow of a "wound in the head" )
1996- Imitator lamb - Dolly cloned (foreshadow of antichrist (false lamb)abomination in the middle of the week)
1997-Comet Hale-Bopp (foreshadow "something like a great mountain thrown into the sea")
1998--Wye = Land for Peace deal "when they say paece and safety...sudden destruction" (foreshadow of coalition against God promise - possible Armageddon reference)
1999- The year of the Great Earthquakes (foreshadow of "great earthquake" Mt of Olives splits)
It should be noted that several of these events took place on Jewish holidays.
IF these foreshadows are warnings and, are in fact, foreshadows, we may be on the verge of the real deal - a seven year period of God's wrath.
Jason Seders, http://www.netcom.com/jason929/home.html

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Thanks. As you know, I think Sept. 13, 1993's Oslo Accord was the start of the 7 good years. Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 good years = Sept. 13, 2000, when the Final Status Agreement is supposed to be signed. Sept. 13, 2000 + 7 bad years is Sept. 13, 2007. The Oslo Accord was ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is our Sept. 13, 2007. To me, that seems too good to be by chance, especially since for many many years, I have thought that Sept. 13, 2007, would be the Day of God's Wrath.

> IF these foreshadows are warnings and, are in fact, foreshadows, we may be
> on the verge of the real deal - a seven year period of God's wrath.

It seems likely to me that we are to see signs, and these things may very well be signs that the Tribulation is drawing near. However, the whole Tribulation is not God's wrath. The Tribulation is a trial that is to come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10). A few things have to happen on the 2299th day, before the Day of God's Wrath arrives on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14). Look what signs the last day of this age will have.

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I behold when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great EARTHQUAKE; and the SUN BECAME BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the MOON BECAME AS BLOOD; And the STARS OF HEAVEN FELL UNTO THE EARTH, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the HEAVEN DEPARTED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and EVERY MOUNTAIN AND ISLAND WERE MOVED OUT OF THEIR PLACES. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

In the last sentence, we can figure that it is now 6:00 PM.; Tishri 1 "is come." That one day, often called THAT DAY in the OT, is to be a great watershed of history. Enough has already started to happen on the last day of this age for all men to know what is coming upon the Earth on that Day of God's Wrath that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. The signs are by that time unmistakeable.

Jer. 30:6,7 says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for THAT DAY (one day) is great, so that none is like it: it is even THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it."

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