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I have just found your website and have been fascinated with your Bible research as to when the rapture could occur. Am I correct in you thinking it could occur on Pentecost and/or the Feast of Trumpets in the year 2000? When are those events? I believe, too, that the time is very near and am very happy to believe that it is. This world is so evil and people are so self-centered. I teach high school and it is sad to see how the world has seduced the younger generation.

Please let me know at your earliest convenience, the answer to my question. I am praying for a great revival to take hold of our country before the rapture. Looking for Christ's return

My reply

I am hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost. Pentecost fits Song of Sol. 2:10-14, as no other feast does. The former rain starts Tishri 1. The latter rain starts Nisan 1. That seems to eliminate 6 of the 7 feasts. Three are in Nisan. Three are in Tishri. To me, Saturday, Sivan 7, 5760 (June 10, 2000) seems most likely, but the Jews keep Sivan 6 and Sivan 7 as Pentecost. When the Holy Spirit came upon the church in 30 AD, Pentecost had "fully come" (Acts 2:1).

I don't expect the Pre-Trib Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets because it is a time of the former rain (Song 2:10-14 says that the rain is over and gone), but feel certain that the Pre-Wrath Rapture for the Tribulation saints will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007, 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) after the Seventieth Week of Daniel (Dan. 9:27) begins on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. It takes place between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals (Rev. 6:12; 7:14; 8). The Day of God's Wrath has come (Rev. 6:17). That is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

Mal. 2:3 shows that the Day of God's Wrath is on a feast day: "your solemn feasts; and ONE SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT." Joel 1:14,15; 2:1-3 says, "Sanctify a fast (the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME....BLOW ye THE TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain (the united nations' army led by Gog is attacking Israel, Eze. 38): let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, FOR IT IS NIGH AT HAND; A day of...thick darkness...a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it."

When the False Prophet is deposed from office, "at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" (Dan. 12:1,2).

Among the younger generation are so many that are true to what the Bible predicted for "the last days...disobedient to parents, unthankful... heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" (II Tim. 3:1-4). Satan has seen to it that they have such high decibels of almost constant music that not only are they loosing their hearing, but they can't think of anything else at the time, either.

I know firsthand about the hearing loss. I was in the band in High School. We practiced, trumpets, bass horns, drums and all, 3rd period every day in a small crowded closed room above the gym. My hearing suffered on account of it. I don't know how in the world Fess had any hearing left at all. He was in there much more than I was.

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Consider this: A clue that the 24 elders are the Church might be:

a) They sit on thrones and have crowns (kings)

b) They are a number of 24, and there are 24 divisions of priests in the temple (priests)

We are Kings and Priests, are we not? Agape :)

My reply

Yes, those of the first Rapture are KINGS and Priests. Rev. 1:6 says, "And hath made us KINGS and priests." In Rev. 3:11, Jesus says, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy CROWN."

Those of the second Rapture are "before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple" (Rev. 7:15). All members of the first resurrection, whether they are caught up at the first trump or the last trump, "shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years" (Rev. 20:6).

I think the 24 elders are the 12 patriarchs of Israel and the 12 apostles. Just as we have Representatives in Congress to present our wishes to our government, the elders are the Representatives of the entire group caught up to the third heaven in the pre-Trib Rapture. Just as each of the 24 courses of priests represented all the priests when on duty, the 24 elders represent all the saints.

Look at the transition from the elders to the saints in Rev. 5:8-10. The 24 "elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of SAINTS. And they (the saints) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests."

The 24 elders are all Israelites, but they represent the redeemed out of every nation.

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...from Toronto, Canada.
I am a Christian who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. I like the way you inspired and explained, to help that person, and I was just wondering if you can answer me these questions please.

1. Will other religions lead to salvation, for example, Islam, Judaism,etc.? Or is Christianity the only way for salvation?

2. I know a friend who doesn't believe in God, and I tried to convince him, but he still doesn't want to believe until he gets proof. What must I do in order to convince him?

Thank you for now and I hope to hear from you in the near future.

My reply

1. Will other religions lead to salvation, for example, Islam,
> Judaism,etc.? Or is Christianity the only way for salvation?

Many people think that there might be more than one way to salvation, but there is only one way, by accepting Jesus Christ as our Saviour. Rom. 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart men believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

The Holy Bible is God-breathed. II Tim. 3:16,17 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." The truth of our scriptures are proved by the detailed prophecies being fulfilled 100%.

Speaking of Jesus Christ, Acts 4:12 says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Speaking of the sheepfold, Jesus said, "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved" (John 10:9). He also said, "He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19). Jesus died to take the punishment (death) due us for our sins. He was resurrected as proof of who he is. He healed all manner of sickness and did many miraculous things as proof of who he was also. No other religion has a sinless saviour who died for their sins and was resurrected, seen of over 500 people afterward, and then was seen ascending to Heaven.

> 2. I know a friend who doesn't believe in God, and I tried to
> convince him, but he still doesn't want to believe until he gets
> proof. What must I do in order to convince him?

God created our bodies so intricately that they alone are proof of his existence and almighty power. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Rom. 1:18-20).

It seems that the angels were created being able to see God, were tested, judged and sentenced to prison before man was created. Satan must have appealed the sentence. I think man was created a lesser creature, not being able to see God, to prove to Satan that God is just in putting him in prison. If man, not as large, not as strong, not being able to see God, could still obey God, the Lord would be proved just in carrying out the sentence on the fallen angels.

Therefore, man's test is to walk by faith, not by sight. We stand or fall by God's sovereign decision on how we can be saved. He is the Sovereign of the Universe, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. Puny by comparison, we have no choice in the matter.

So that we have a chance to pass our test, God gave us a manual. It is not his fault if we fail to read it. It states the way to be saved plainly. In Rom. 1:16,17, Paul said, "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as IT IS WRITTEN, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

See if your friend will read one book in the Bible, the book of John. In John 10:31, he said, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

It "is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We can be saved by accepting Christ and go to live with him where he is, or we can neglect so great salvation and go to live with Satan where he is going. There is everything to gain and nothing to lose. There is also no middle ground, no sitting on the fence. No answer is a "NO" answer. We must exercise our will and make a decision to accept Christ, or there is no other escape from the slick slide down into the bowels of the Earth, a neverending punishment in Hell, prepared for the Devil and his fallen angels.

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i want to thank you for all that you have done. you help me to better understand this world, the truths that society hides from us. I believe you are one of the prophets sent by God towards the end of the world. overtime i will learn more from you. i was wondering what your career was, i just don't see how you would have time for all of this.

Another question i have, is has Satan came to be, what are your thoughts on him, why are there such things as good and bad, or are there such things?

My reply

I'm glad I can help. I am not a prophet. I have just studied the Bible as hard and deep as I can go since before 1960. I feel like I have studied all my life. I have a built-in curiosity, a need to know all kinds of things. When I first started studying the Bible hard, I was a housewife. After getting Ed off to work and the two kids off to school, I would run to do my work so I could settle down and study. I would study into the wee hours after the family was asleep. More times than not, I would study until 3:00 AM when I had to get up at 5:00. I would find one new thing, mark that place to start the next day, and tumble into bed, finally able to sleep. The things I was finding out were so exciting, I didn't want to stop.

After that, Ed and I bought a Spring Crest Drapery franchise that was going bankrupt. We bought a building, moved it to that location and built it up until we won the top sales award in our division. I sold in store, set up a workroom, and sewed all the fancy drapery top treatments. Ed sold in people's homes and installed the draperies. I hired girls to make the straight draperies. All during these years, I went home dead tired at about 11:00 PM and still worked on my first book until the wee hours. We were involved with the drapery business 20 years.

Ed is now 75 and has had open-heart surgery. I am 70. We are retired, living on Social Security. I get half of his.

> has Satan came to be, what are your thoughts on
> him, why are there such things as good and bad, or are there such things?

Satan is real. Good and bad are real. God gave Israel the laws at Sinai, so that we would know for sure what sin (bad) is.

Satan (Lucifer, the Devil, the red dragon, the serpent) is a created angel who sinned. He and the other angels that sinned have been judged. Heb. 2:2,3 says, "if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience RECEIVED a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation." Satan must have appealed his prison sentence. God is proving to SATAN that God is just in doing this. If man, a less powerful creature that can't see God can still obey God, He will be proved just in putting Satan in prison. Satan failed to obey God when he could see him.

Satan's I WILLS
Isa. 14:12-15: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning (his planet was a morning star)! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven (his planet was lower, i.e., closer to the sun, than God's), I WILL exalt my throne (he had a position of rulership) above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation (where the General Assembly of saints will be gathered), in the sides of the north (Heaven is seen traveling slowly along the ecliptic in the northern sky): I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High (the Almighty God). Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit" (in the center of the Earth).

Eze. 28:12-18 speaks of Satan as the king of the rock, i.e., of his planet Rahab. "Son of man take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (meaning 'rock'), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God (both the heavenly Eden and the earthly Eden); every precious stone (symbols of planets) was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (meaning 'precious to the planet Saturn'), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that THOU WAST CREATED. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards, set to the east of Eden in Gen. 3:24); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain (planet) of God; thou hast walked up and down in the MIDST (middle) of the stones of fire (his planet, Rahab, was the 5th of the 10 original planets). Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that THOU WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I WILL cast thee as profane out of the mountain (planet) of God (Saturn--Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:7-9): and I WILL destroy thee, O covering (guarding) cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (planets). Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I WILL cast thee to the ground, I WILL lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore WILL I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I WILL bring thee to ashes upon the earth."

Satan, our accuser
Job 1:6-12 says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath...put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power, only upon himself put not forth thine hand."

Thus, Job's testing began. Will man, less powerful than the angels and unable to see God, walk by faith and obey God, or not. Job walked by faith, just as each one of us should do. Thus God will be proved just in putting Satan and the other angels that sinned in their prison. They sinned when they could see God. Our test is harder. We have to walk by faith, not by sight.

Heaven cleared of evil Mid-Trib
Rev. 12:7-10: "And there was war in heaven: Michael (the archangel) and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him....THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN is cast down, which ACCUSED THEM before our God day and night."

Both God and Satan are watching to see what mankind will do. God has the advantage. He is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Satan is not. God can read our minds. Satan cannot. He can only observe us. God already knows that Satan will lose. Job. 41:9 says, "Behold, the hope of him is in vain."

Isa. 22:16-19 is a thinly veiled reference to Satan. "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (on Rahab), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (a broken piece of Rahab, an asteroid)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee (the asteroid) away with a might captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

The asteroid is evidently a binary like Toutatis. It will probably break apart at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out, letting loose a shower of small rocks. The smaller of the two large pieces will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The larger piece will destroy Babylon. Rev. 8:8,10 says, "as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea...and there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp."

"And a mighty angel took up A STONE LIKE A GREAT MILLSTONE, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all" (Rev. 18:21).

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From Finland: Re: Prophecy/Commentary: WAR AND RELIGION--HANUKKAH, by Vendyl Jones

I wonder if you have studied this. Whether ot not the main point is correct, this contains interesting info.

The following is very interesting:

I will overthrow the throne of Kingdoms..." [Haggai 2:22]

Could it refer to world gov. taking over, or to time when Jesus takes over?

Also it contains interesting quotes about the artifacts of the 1st Temple.

What is your view?

My reply

>...When Haggai's 24th day of the 9th month is synchronized with the 1998
>Gregorian Calendar it coincides with December 14th, 1998. According to the
>prophet, something would occur on this day that would mark the beginning of
>a series of events culminating in the restoration of all things and lay the
>foundation for the Third Temple. What were some of these events?
>"I will shake the Heavens and the Earth..." [Haggai 2:6] "I will cause a
>violent noise of war among all Nations..." [Haggai 2:7] "I will
>overthrow the throne of Kingdoms..." [Haggai 2:22]
>Haggai's date was so important that it was repeated four times in the
>second and last chapters of the Book of Haggai. Repetition like this is
>most unusual. It means we should expect something momentous and watch for it!

I disagree with much of what he said. Hag. 2:6,7 says, "Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake ALL NATIONS." Verses 21 and 22 say, "I will shake the heavens and the earth; And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms." This obviously is when the asteroids impact Earth and the worldwide earthquake takes place on the first day of the Millennium, Tishri 1, 5768. At that time the False Prophet will be deposed. He is the one who sits on the "throne of kingdoms," (World Government). Verse 7 also says, "and the desire of all nations shall come." That is the Second Advent of Christ on Nisan 1, seven months (Eze. 39:12) after the catastrophe.

All the saints return to Earth with Christ (Zech. 14:5). After Armageddon is over and the Millennial Government set up, there will come a time that we will return to our heavenly home. King David will be the prince on Earth and Christ will be as God in Heaven. Eze. 34:23,23 says, "I will set up ONE shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince AMONG THEM; I the LORD have spoken it." Jer. 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, WHOM I WILL RAISE UP UNTO THEM."

Just maybe, the date of our return to Heaven is Kislev 24. Hag. 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed yet in the BARN? (think of Mt. 13:30's 'gather the wheat into my BARN') Yea, as yet the vine (Christ, Jn. 15:1), and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

The next day is the joyous Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights, the Feast of Dedication. It lasts eight days and commemorates the purifying of the temple (whose temple are we). Will we celebrate it as Homecoming in heaven in 2008? The number 8 means a new beginning.

> Also it contains interesting quotes about the artifacts of the 1st Temple.

>The Prophets Haggai and Zechariah were among those that hid the Treasures
>of the First House. These holy articles were those fashioned at Mount
>Sinai under the leadership of Moses and Aaron. Before the destruction of
>Solomon's Temple (The First House), they were secreted away so that they
>would not be "plundered" by the Babylonians.
>These same Prophets wrote "the four records": the Copper Scroll, the
>Silver Scroll, the Marble Tablets and the Temple Scroll. The latter tells
>how to re-institute Temple worship once the Treasures of the Copper Scroll
>are recovered.
>These same Prophets knew where these treasures were hidden. They were
>present when the Second Temple was dedicated yet they allowed the precious
>vessels to remain hidden. Why?
>They were not destined for the Second Temple! The Temple Scroll, found at
>Qumran, and the Jubilee Scroll distinctly state that these "Treasures will
>be recovered" but only "after the Children of Israel are re-gathered from
>the Nations" in the End of Days.
>II Maccabees 2:1-6 recounts how certain men tried to "follow" Jeremiah and
>his companions when they hid the Tabernacle and the Ark of G-d, but they
>could not find the way. When Jeremiah perceived it, he cursed them and
>said: "This place will be unknown until HaShem re-gathers His people
>together and receives them unto mercy."

I agree. This part is interesting.

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The Two Feet of the Body of Christ, the first Rapture is to take place on May 31st 1998. If this is so we didn't make it along with you. Since that date has passed then the first is done and we the Remnants are to go through the tribulation and be in the second Rapture as we are not the Philadelphians but the Laodicians. I don't feel that way so could you please expound and explain this absolute date of the First Rapture of yours and the writer?

My reply

The date the file baber.html was UL was 1-11-98. At that time, I thought the Rapture would take place on Pentecost in 1998. The quote was from my first book. It was copyrighted in 1987. I have always said that I am not a prophet and can be wrong, to search the scriptures and see if these things are so. I just tell it as I understand it. Since I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2, and it said "publish and conceal not," I publish my thoughts and invite discussion, hoping that we can all profit thereby--me too. Some people have insight into different areas. No one knows it all. There is more in Scripture than one person can dig out in a lifetime.

I just now placed a note after that paragraph that tells what I think now, so people won't forget to check the date it was uploaded and mistakenly think that we are in the Tribulation now. I had no idea that anyone that had read my Home Page, as I thought you had, since I heard from you on 10-21-99 (copy below), would think such a thing. If you read old Pro and Cons, you will have to look at the date they were uploaded too. See the bottom of the page. Before Pentecost, 1998, I was hoping for the Rapture on Pentecost, 1998. Before Pentecost, 1999, I was hoping for the Rapture on Pentecost, 1999. Now, I am hoping for Pentecost, 2000. There are lots of scriptures that mention the third day too. At Sinai, they were to wash their clothes and get ready for the third day. They may tie in symbolically with the third year in the parable of the barren fig tree.

I have files on my site that explain why I thought the Rapture was in 1998, and then in 1999. The thing that I did not see was that in the parable of the barren fig tree, Jesus only comes looking the first two years. He only speaks in the third year (Lu. 13:6-9). I am now hoping for Pentecost 2000. I did not notice this until someone else wrote me that when rereading the parable, he suddenly saw it in a whole different light. I am grateful to him for helping me to see this, as I had missed it before. Agape

His reply

I am very grateful and impressed. You seem to be a wise and humble servant. I have read all your books and think you are a very astute lady of the word. I do question the validaty of setting dates but do acknowledge the watch in prayer and diligent doing. I do think you are one to be a party with as you speak as you walk. THANYOU!!!!

My reply

Whatever I have been able to learn has been with the Lord's help. I was desperate to know the answers to burning questions I had. I tried seven years of reading about an 18" stack of man's books about the Bible from BIOLA's Seminary Collection every week without finding the answers. I opened my Bible, put my hands on it, and said in desperation, "Lord! you'll have to show me. I want to know all you want man to know about the Bible, all the deep things--everything." After that, I was able to figure out the answers to those questions--and more than I ever dreamed were in Scripture. He has been faithful to guide me in my studies, to help me understand, and I intend to be faithful to Him, no matter what happens. This doesn't mean that I know it all--far from it. Even after 7 years of constant reading, I didn't know what I was asking. There is so much packed into that one small book that one person can't dig it all out in a lifetime. I just have to do the best I can with the time I have. I short myself on sleep to study. I hardly watch TV, but caught the last part of ice skating last week end. Hope I get to see the whole show next Sunday. I like ice skating better than anything on TV.

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