Pro and Con 43, uploaded 12-10-97

Incoming Email, Re: SOME ADDITIONAL INFO ON THE SAROS AND ...

I've read your books and they are GREAT. If I may be so bold as to presume to add to your unparalled teachings
1. You mention the Saros (Time of 7 lunar eclipses) I've used it retroactively to calculate Yeshuas Birth date also in a year of 7 lunar eclipses (see attaached)
2. It can be worked foreward, 7 lunar eclipses as heralding celestial royalty the year 2007
In your book "Heaven Found" some striking info on ... "But the really startling phenomena is What may be a standing-wave pattern, repeated six times around the planet, makes cloud bands some distance from the pole appear to form a huge, permanent hexagon, despite ... equatorial winds have velocities close to 1700 km/hr (1060 mph)" {Encarta encyclopedia} ... IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE INTERIOR GEOMETRIC SHAPE OF THE STAR OF DAVID IS A HEXAGON !!!!!! I believe that this is literaally a photo of The New Jerusalem!!...

THE SAROS IS A LUNAR EVENT BASED ON THE 19 YEAR CYCLE OF THE JEWISH LUNAR CALENDAR. SEVEN IS G-DS PERFECT NUMBER. SEVEN LINAR ECLIPSES IS HEAVENS WAY TO HERALD THE ARRIVAL OF ROYALTY
Also in the Jewissh calendar, solaeclipses can only take place on the first of a Jewish month; at no other time is the sun-moon-earth positioning correct to do so.

As YOU POINTED OUT 1917 WAS A "SAROS" YEAR { A YEAR WITH SEVEN ECLIPSES IN IT; THE SEVENTH FALLING ON 12/11/17 OR KISLEV 25(CHANUKAH), 5678}. THE SAROS OCCURS EVERY 6585.3 DAYS (ABOUT EVERY 18 YR, 9-11 DAYS DEPENDING ON LEAP YEAR.). THEREFORE IF WE SUBTRACT 1916 YEARS (EQUIVALENT TO 699,800 DAYS) FROM 1917 (EQUIVALENT TO 700,200 DAYS) WE OBTAIN 400 DAYS OR 1/1/01 A.D.. 1916 YEARS (OR 69,980 DAYS PRIOR TO 12/11/1917 REPRESENTS 106.267 SAROSES. ASSUMING YESHUA WAS PROBABLY BORN IN A SAROS YEAR OF SEVEN ECLIPSES. IF THE YEAR 1916 A.D. REPRESENTED 106.267 SAROSES, THEN IF WE GO BACK 0.267 THS OF A COMPLETE SAROS WE MAY OBTAIN A ROUGH IDEA OF WHEN YESHUA WAS BORN. 1758 DAYS BEFORE 12/11/0001. 1,758 DAYS EQUATES TO 4.813 YEARS. THIS TURNS OUT TO BE 4 B.C.E. YESHUA WAS PROBABLY BORN ON TISHRI 1 (THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS), SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 9, 4 B.C.

I hope some of this info may be useful to you in future books
Much Blessings and Shalom.

My reply

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all this very interesting information. Do you know what date on our calendar Tishri 1 in BC 5 would have been? I have thought Jesus was born on Tishri 1, BC 5 and was visited by the Wise Men in BC 3.

> 2. It can be worked foreward, 7 lunar eclipses as heralding celestial
> royalty the year 2007

Do you mean the Jewish year 5768, starting Sept. 13, 2007? If so, that would be just perfect. The Sign of the Son of Man is seen that day. They will see him on his throne. Rev. 6:16 says, And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb." Since that is Coronation Day in Heaven, "heralding celestial royalty" is right on the mark.

> IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE INTERIOR
> GEOMETRIC SHAPE OF THE STAR OF DAVID IS A HEXAGON !!!!!! I believe that this
> is literaally a photo of The New Jerusalem!!

Wow!! When was the Star of David first used? Do you know?

Have you read James Harrison's book, The Pattern and the Prophecy? If I remember right, I think he showed how certain numbers somehow formed a Star of David. I can't remember if they are prime numbers, but it is likely.

I appreciate your sharing this information with me. Our Lord gives different understanding to different people at various times. If we put it all together, we will get farther than any one of us can manage by ourselves.

Incoming Email, Re: White garments

First of all, I would like to thank you for the kind answers you have given. While we may disagree on this one idea, that is no reason for us to be enemies, as we both serve the same Lord. I have seen far too often where disagreements such as this can create bitter rivals between Christians. If I have offended you in any way, I sincerely apologize. You are right though, we should always be prepared spiritually for the rapture. I most certainly would not complain if your theory is correct! I think all of the pieces are in place now. All it takes is a spark for the world to break out into chaos. I hope and pray as you do that we do not have to be here to see it. May our Father bless you!

My reply

It doesn't matter if we disagree on one thing (whether there is a Pre-Trib Rapture) as long as we believe the right things about Christ. We should just apply ourselves to a study of the Bride of Christ. That is what we want to be. It is a prize that we must be worthy of. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Take a look at what "all these things" covers and think about how we could escape them and "stand before the Son of man.

Incoming Email

I love your website! So much interesting information. Was reading the section on Chronological Coincidences, and noticed the part about this being the 72nd Jubilee year.

I've been doing some research on this lately, and it looks as though we may actually be in the 120th Jubilee year! The start of the Jubilee year was on the Day of Atonement, after counting off 49 years. This would be the start of the 50th year (Lev 25:11). Counting every 50th year from Adam would put us at the 120th Jubilee year, which is interesting because God said in Genesis 6:3 that man's days would be 120 years. 120 Jubilee years would be 6,000 years (120 x 50 = 6,000). It looks as though we are right at that 6,000 year mark!

My reply

Thanks. I've wondered how some people get 120th Jubilee.

True Jubilee cycle is 49 years. It is announced on Day of Atonement and starts the following Nisan 1 (Sacred Year). First Jubilee was 50 years after the Exodus.

We are actually 6000 years from when Adam was cast out of Eden. Man's test being mortal and knowing good and evil started then. Adam was in Eden 40 years before that. See my chronology file: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/chron.html

Incoming Email

One question which I hope you have some insight for me. My husband does not believe in the bible as the literal Word of God because he said no one has been able to explain to him where Cain's wife came from. If Adam and Eve were the first creation of God, then they had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel; then Cain went to dwell in the land of Nod; and in Gen. 4:17 - "Cain knew his wife" - question is where did his wife come from?

Would appreciate your letting me know if you have any insight into this question. Thank you very much.

My reply

...In Gen. 1:28, "God blessed them (Adam and Eve), and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and MULTIPLY, and replenish (fill) the earth." So they were fruitful and multiplied. It only takes nine months each you know.

Gen. 4:1-3 says. "AND Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain...And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And IN PROCESS OF TIME it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD."

These two boys were at least old enough to marry, for when Cain went to the land of Nod on the east of Eden, "Cain knew his wife; and she conceived" (Gen. 4:17).

Now how many children could Adam and Eve have had while Cain was growing up and getting married? To make the figuring easy, lets assume that Cain was 20 when he killed 19-year-old Abel and Adam and Eve had one child per year. The next child could have been a daughter. She then would have been 18 years old, old enough to be Cain's wife. What is so hard about that? There could have been 20 children in 20 years. Maybe there weren't that many, but maybe Cain was older too.

Anyway, Cain married his sister. At that time, there was no prohibition against marrying a sister or brother.

Cain could have been much older by the time he killed Abel too. Seth, the replacement for Abel, was not born until Adam was 130 years old (Gen. 5:3). How many people could have been on earth by that time? The other sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have been multiplying also.

Gen. 5:4 says, "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters." Our progenitors were fruitful and replenished the Earth rapidly.

Incoming Email, Re: Two Raptures

I just began to read your work, it almost parallels my study except the part about the second rapture. I believe there will be a second rapture but it will not include what you call the "Laodicean" church. At the first rapture, those now living who have heard the Gospel but chose to ignore it, be conformed to this world, or to be "Lukewarm", will be damned according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, just after the rapture and the removal of the Holy Spirit (the restrainer of the antichrist), the people that the Gospel was revealed to and chose to ignore it will believe the lie to come.

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. they perish because they refused to love the truth (they heard the truth but chose to follow the world and its pleasures) and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so they will believe the lie (they will follow the works of the antichrist) and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth (even those who did not believe period) but have delighted in wickedness(chose sinful nature and satan over Christ)."

The second rapture will include people who hear and believe the Gospel during the tribulation and refuse to receive the mark of the antichrist. This will be accomplished by the ministry of the two witness, the 144,000 jews, and the angel that proclaims the eternal gospel(Rev 14:6). These ministries will fulfill the prophesy in Matthew 24:14.

There is also the possibility that the rapture may happen on Pentecost 2030, 2000 years after the Holy Spirit descended. On the above Thessalonian scripture, the Holy Spirit (who restrains the antichrist) will be removed from the earth. but I hope you are right about 1998.

I am ready for Him, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus" May God Bless you and keep you, continue the great work.

My reply

> the "Laodicean" church. At the
> first rapture, those now living who have heard the Gospel but chose to
> ignore it, be conformed to this world, or to be "Lukewarm", will be
> damned according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, just after the rapture and
> the removal of the Holy Spirit (the restrainer of the antichrist), the
> people that the Gospel was revealed to and chose to ignore it will
> believe the lie to come.

The Laodiceans are saved because they have to be in the Body of Christ to be spewed out of it.

Those in II Thess 2:10 are not saved, "they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

> The second rapture will include people who hear and believe the Gospel
> during the tribulation and refuse to receive the mark of the antichrist.

It will also include those who had robes, but had allowed them to be spotted by the flesh. In Rev. 7:14, they "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> There is also the possibility that the rapture may happen on Pentecost
> 2030, 2000 years after the Holy Spirit descended.

I'm sending you a file I downloaded. After you read it, you tell me if things can go on to 2030 or not.

Incoming Email, Re: Wheels within wheels

I've read several different interpatations of this passage,and the majority of them believe he saw a "flying craft with jet or rocket engins"

My reply

Are you reading New Age philosophy? Let's see what Scripture indicates.

In Ezekiel 1:13, "their appearance was like burning coals of fire and like the appearance of lamps." This fits planets reflecting the light of the burning sun. In verse 15, one of the wheels (orbits) is "upon the earth." Earth is one of these four planets Ezekiel saw in his vision of "the heavens."

Farther out in space, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne (the throne of Christ in Heaven, also a planet, symbol: sapphire stone)..."As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about."

Outside the orbits of the first four planets flying around the sun is a cloud of asteroids from Satan's planet Rahab that was broken into pieces. Most of these irregular shaped rocks orbit in the Asteroid Belt, but some were flung into cometary orbits. These asteroids orbit between the first four planets. Those that come near Earth are the NEAs, near Earth asteroids.

Ezekiel 10:2 indicates what is going to take place on the 2300th day of the Tribulation when an NEA impacts Earth. "Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan, who now lives on this asteroid, which is "the key of the bottomless pit," Rev. 9:1), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem).

This NEA seems to be a binary like Toutatis. It will break apart on the way in, probably at the Roche Limit. One piece as big as a mountain will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The other will destroy Babylon on the Euphrates River.

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8).

"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10).

The planets, "their appearance was like burning coals of fire," but these stones will literally burn as they come in through our atmosphere.

The "aster" will open "the bottomless pit: and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Rev. 9:2). The Lake of Fire is formed.

"And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all" (Rev. 18:21).

Civilization as we know it will be destroyed on that day (which I think is September 13, 2007), The Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium.

The Pre-Trib Rapture catches up the Bride of Christ before the time of trial comes upon the whole world. Then the Tribulation saints, the rest of the Body of Christ, are caught up before the asteroid strikes at noonday on the Feast of Trumpets. They are raptured between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals, as out of a furnace of fire. Smaller rocks have already begun to strike Earth. Rev. 6:13 says, And the stars (asters) of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

On that day, those that call on the name of the Lord will be preserved. Those that do not are in big trouble. The men left on Earth will be so few that a child could write their number.

To the Philadelphian wise virgins who love the Lord with all their hearts and whose lamps are full of the oil of the Holy Spirt, Christ says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM the hour of temptation (lit., trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3:10).

We must strive to win the prize of the HIGH CALLING of God that Paul was working for, to be in the group that is called, and chosen, and worthy to be the Bride of Christ.

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36).

Incoming Email

You are very sure about all of this? Do you have any doubt? Is there any other alternative schemes that you see fitting with Scripture? Do you think believers should try to convert all they see to the Lord? Or should we let some people be as they are in their wanton wickedness?

My reply

I cannot be absolutely sure; I am not a prophet. However, I have known when major end-time events would take place ever since 1968. I learned when the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place about 1970. During the intervening years, I keep studying and trying to find clues for or against. So far, everything fits the same pattern. I get more confident all the time, especially since we have only one more Sunday Pentecost and one more time between a Feast of Weeks that begins the Tribulation and the Feast of Trumpets that ends it that equals the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14.

I'll send you a file...that may help you to know how close we really are...

I do not see any alternative schemes that will fit the scriptures.

And we are not to cast our pearls before swine. Pray and ask the Lord to prompt you who to talk to and who to leave alone. Only he knows whether it will do any good or not. If it will do good, he will help you think of and talk about the right things. It is a wonderful feeling when you can feel the Holy Spirit helping you witness. Be sure that you yourself have no unconfessed sin between you and God. You need to be in fellowship with him to witness effectively. Use I John 1:9. If we confess our known sins, he is faithful and just to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

My reply

> Don't you think that if Heaven were one of the planets,
> Voyager would have discovered that?

The cloud cover is too thick.

> if God were to make Heaven as one our planets,
> why would He make the rest of the universe?

The "third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2-4) is the throne of the Lord Jesus Christ, and we will see God there in the face of Jesus Christ. Rev. 22:3,4 says, "the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his (singular) servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face (one face); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads."

However, no man has ever seen God at any time. God is spirit. In him we live and move and have our being. The whole universe cannot contain him. He is the Sovereign of the Universe and does what he pleases, whether we understand it all or not. Jesus said that in his Father's house are many dwelling places, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And wither I go ye know (if we hear the name of this planet, we recognize it), and the way ye know" (we sent Voyager I and II, didn't we?) (John 14:2-4).

> I think it is another dimension, not something we can
> see with our current physical eyes.

In the Septuagint, the Greek scriptues used in Jesus' time, Job 37:18-22 says, "Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens?...But THE LIGHT IS NOT VISIBLE TO ALL (then it is visible to some); IT SHINES AFAR OFF IN THE HEAVENS, as that which is from him in the clouds. From the north (upward) come the clouds shining like gold (i.e., visible): in these great are the glory and honour of the Almighty." Christ is the Almighty (Rev. 1:8).

> If we knew this mystery of God some people would wait until the day
> before to get saved. If you are proclaiming this date, and Christ comes
> before then those who listened to you, will be lost.

They should consider that no one knows how long they will live. They should accept Christ right now, because they night never get another chance.

> be careful, pride comes before a fall.

I know. Satan demonstrated that. Keeps me humble.

  Pro and Con 44

Or Return
Home


Contact me for more information. My e-mail address is: mjagee@kiwi.net

send me e-mail now.

8641 Sugar Gum Road, Riverside, CA, 92508, USA; (909) 653-4110, FAX (909) 697-8960


© 1997 Marilyn J. Agee
Updated 12-10-97