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Note: Be sure to read my new files (3 parts), "God's picture book, 'THE WAY,' written in the stars." Links are up top on the Home Page. I have learned so much. GEMINI (May 21 - June 21) seems to be the SIGN of the Rapture, when we will be raised up together with Christ, and "sit together in heavenly places" (Eph. 2:6), as Christ and his Bride "sit together in heavenly places" on the ecliptic in GEMINI. I think the original Zodiac (THE WAY, from the Hebrew "zodi") was inspired by God, drawn by Adam, Seth and/or Enoch, the prophet of God. It gave man a picture book depicting Christ in his many offices, including the Crucifixion, before man was given the written text in the Bible. The picture book serves to illustrate the Bible's story of Christ, our Saviour. Since early days, Satan has caused to be produced bogus inventions such as Astrology, myths and mystery idolic religions to try to confuse mankind. We must pay attention to true Astronomy, the study of the stars, not Astrology and horoscopes. They are corruptions that endeavor to turn the truth of God into a lie. No wonder God warned us away from them. We must always worship the CREATOR, not his CREATION. We must make no images of these things, either.

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Thanks for all the scripture...I will have to read and pray on all you said. I was especially interested in your pre vs. post trib rapture stuff, as I originally started out believing in pre then decided upon post after reading the scripture myself. I have read your site's treatment of the subject, but am having some trouble with the 2 raptures concept...again, will have to read / pray on it. As for the name, there appears to be another name besides the YHVW / YHWH, and the actual pronunciation of the alef-bets doesn't help , h (yode) v (hay) u (vawv) v (hay), with vowel sounds supplied in a way that even Jews cannot agree upon. So far, I'm drawing somewhat haughty responses from some for my inquiries. I guess people who know are continuing the ancient prohibition (based on misinterpretation of Lev 24:16 and the Hebrew word nachav) against ever saying the name, thinking it incorrect to do so, even in prayer.

My reply

Well, :-) in Zech. 14:9, the Lord says, after they are tried "as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."

Since the LORD knows our minds and hearts, I feel certain that he will honor whatever language we speak in, don't you? What is most important is in Acts 4:12. Speaking of Jesus (Gr. Iesous), it says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

I love Prov. 30:4,5: "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?"

Re: the two Raptures. Have you considered that the Song of Solomon may speak of the two? Song 6:13 asks a question, and in the Bible, questions are often to make us stop and think. It says, "What will ye see in the Shulamite (meaning peaceable, perfect)? As it were the company of TWO ARMIES."

Solomon is a type of Christ as the Son of David. Song 5:10-16 goes far beyond describing Solomon. It describes Christ in a very symbolic way and may represent the Body of Christ as well. It says, "My beloved is white and ruddy, the CHIEFEST AMONG TEN THOUSAND. HIS HEAD IS AS (symbolic language) THE MOST FINE GOLD (symbol of deity, Rev. 3:18), his locks are bushy, and BLACK as a raven. His eyes are as the eyes of doves (symbol of the Spirit of God) by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh (a spice that has to be crushed to bring forth its fragrance). His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires (meaning dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear). His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon (meaning white), excellent as the cedars. His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

There are two cheeks, as beds of spices. Song 4:12-14 says, "A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse...with all the chief spices." Song 8:14 ends the book with "Make haste, my beloved (Christ), and be thou like (symbolic language) to a ROE OR TO A YOUNG HART UPON THE MOUNTAINS (plural) of spices."

Song 2:8-17 says, "The voice of my beloved (Christ)! behold, HE COMETH leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills. My beloved (Christ) is LIKE A ROE OR A YOUNG HART: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice. My beloved (Christ) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, AND COME AWAY (the Pre-Trib Rapture?). For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (former rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, comes to Israel in April and stays till October) is heard in our land; The fig tree (Israel) putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape (time of the firstripe grapes) give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, AND COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (Christ), in the secret places of the stairs." The word "places" is not in the original. It is the secret of the stairs--like Jacob's ladder, that reaches to Heaven. Verses 16 and 17 say, "My beloved (Christ) is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved (CHRIST), and be thou LIKE A ROE OR A YOUNG HART UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF BETHER" (meaning separation).

If that is one cheek "as a bed of spices," this must be the other separated one. Song 3:1-4 continues, "By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth: I SOUGHT HIM, BUT I FOUND HIM NOT (a foolish virgin?). I will rise now, and go about the city in the streets, and in the broad ways I will seek him whom MY SOUL LOVETH: I SOUGHT HIM, BUT I FOUND HIM NOT. The watchmen that go about the city found me: to whom I said, Saw ye him whom my soul loveth? IT WAS BUT A LITTLE THAT I PASSED FROM THEM, BUT I FOUND HIM whom my souls loveth."

Song 3:6-11 begins, "Who is this that cometh OUT OF THE WILDERNESS." Does that remind you of the Messianic Jews who flee to the wilderness in the middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 12)? On the particular day that this is referring to (the 2300th of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:14), swords are worn "BECAUSE OF FEAR IN THE NIGHT." Israel is under attack, Eze. 38. The sixth seal has been broken, Rev. 6:12f.

Continuing, it says, "King Solomon (type of the King, Son of David) made himself a CHARIOT of the wood of Lebanon (meaning white). He made the pillars thereof of silver, the bottom thereof of gold, the covering of it of purple, the midst thereof being paved with love, FOR THE DAUGHTERS OF JERUSALEM. GO FORTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture?), O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon (i.e., Christ, in Heaven) WITH THE CROWN WHEREWITH HIS MOTHER (Mary) CROWNED HIM IN THE DAY OF HIS ESPOUSALS (wedding, the Marriage of the Lamb), and in the day of the gladness of his heart."

Rev. 6:12f speaks of this day. It says, "When he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs...And the heaven (atmospheric) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men...and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30) of him THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE (it is Coronation Day), and from the wrath of the Lamb (it is also the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ): For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME (first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the Feast of Trumpets, Joel 2:1-3, Mal. 2:3); and who shall be able to stand."

Before the seventh seal is broken and the seven trumpet judgments released on Earth in Rev. 8f, we read in Rev. 7:14, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." This "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb." Among them are the 144,000 Israelites (daughters of Jerusalem?).

If this great multitude are the Tribulation saints, who are the "saints" of Rev. 5:9,10, who "sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"? They are in Heaven before Christ is given the book, the Title Deed of the Earth, and before the first seal is broken. Are they the bride to whom Christ said, "RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY" in Song of Solomon 2:10-14? Are they the first of the "TWO ARMIES" of Song. 6:13 to be "caught up" at the first trump (I Thess. 4:13-18)?

Are those of Rev. 7:14 the second of the "TWO ARMIES" to be caught up, the ones caught up at the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:51,52?

Are those caught up at the first trump as the days of Noah? Are those caught at the last trump as the days of Lot? Lu. 17:29 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

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> << The JUDGEMENT SEAT OF CHRIST takes place IN HEAVEN after the sixth seal
> is broken. >>

OK. The sixth seal is the end of physical creation as is its parallel in Matthew 24:29-31 and in Mark 13. In these Olivet Discourse verses this is tied to the visible Return of Christ to this earth and the angels gathering the elect together from heaven and earth.

My reply

When Christ returns at the Second Advent, He is "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the NATIONS: and he shall RULE THEM with a rod of iron" (Rev. 19:15,16). Thus, NATIONS are present on EARTH. And the saints "shall reign with him A THOUSAND YEARS" (Rev. 20:6). We will be "kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the EARTH" (Rev. 5:10). Therefore the EARTH is here, and NATIONS are here.

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive THE NATIONS WHICH ARE IN THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 20:7,8).

Eccl. 1:4 says, "but the EARTH ABIDETH FOR EVER."

How does Mt. 24:29-31 support your theory? It takes place on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, 7 months BEFORE the Second Advent Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them (those killed in the seven trumpet judgments), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Mt. 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days (on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:14) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then (after the sixth seal is broken, Rev. 6:14) shall appear THE SIGN of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the EARTH mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming IN THE CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." The elect are being gathered in Heaven for the Judgment Seat of Christ is this same day (Rev. 11:15-18).

Mk. 13:26,27 says, "And then shall they SEE the Son of man COMING IN THE CLOUDS with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together (to the assembly in Heaven, Heb. 22,23) his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (those that were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture)."

These passages do NOT say that Christ puts his FEET on the Earth. When that happens the Mount of Olives will split (Zech. 14:4). This is the SIGN of the Son of man seen in a portion of the sky when the smoke is rolled away as a scroll after the sixth seal is broken.

Rev. 6:14-17 says, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth...and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Eze. 38:19,20,23 explains what happens when the two pieces of the asteroid (Rev. 8:8,10) impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. The first piece strikes the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). Eze. 38:19,20,23 says, "For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paheh, FACE, i.e., the SIGN of the Son of Man), and the mountains (asteroids) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground....Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known IN THE EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

We must each "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH" (II Tim. 2:15).

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...I don't agree with everything you say (I have read all three of your books) but I would say I am in agreement 90% of the time. But I refuse to discard you as a sister just because we don't see 'eye to eye " on everything. I have seen you get hammered all the time with accusations and deliberate misquotes and the anger that comes across from some of these people is astonishing. I am so thankful to see how you always respond peaceably. I think I have learned more from the way you respond than anything else you have said. I enjoy watching you "defuse" these pending explosions with the precision of a bomb expert. It usually is better than most movies.

I truly care and love you....

My reply

Thanks for all those kind things you said. That makes it all worth while....

Someone nice sent me Seiss' "Gospel in the Stars." I am jazzed. It is a good book. You know how Rev. 6:2 says of the Beast, "and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW." I recently found out that the bow is fabric, not a bow to shoot arrows with. So, I thought to myself, "Sure, he is a man of the cloth, a religious leader, the Pope." I also have long thought he would be the Pope because the whole world whose names are not in the book of life worship him. Also Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (the 6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies (both the 7th head and Satan-possessed), he is the tail (of the dragon)."

In the gospel in the stars, we find The Band binding the fish in Pisces (the Lamb has its feet on it too), a Band in the hand of the shepherd Auriga, and ribbons of fabric in the right hand of Cephus, the crowned King.

Aries (the Ram or Lamb), Auriga and Cephus all represent Christ at different stages in the story. Seiss says of the band in Auriga's hand, "It is the BAND OF POWER by which the glorious HEAD OF THE CHURCH upholds and guides His people on the one side, and binds the enemy on the other." Of "the name of the star in the right arm of Auriga, Mankalinon, in Chaldaic means the BAND of the Goats or Ewes" (emphasis mine). In Pisces, the Band's ancient name is Al Risha, the Band or bridle." In the drawing of Auriga, the Band kind of looks like a bridle. It made me think of Christ saying "Take my YOKE upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my YOKE is easy, and my burden is light" (Mt. 11:29,30).

In Rev. 6, then, the "bow" or fabric means the power of the head of the World Church, i.e., the Pope, just as I thought.

Just as Josephus said, it looks like Adam, Seth and Enoch drew up the Zodiac. They were contemporaries 308 years.

We know from Jude that Enoch was a prophet. The gospel told in the constellations reveals the inspiration of God, for the story goes into future things that these men would not have known about on their own. The Bible tells us that God calls all the stars my their names. These star names help us understand what each constellation is supposed to represent.

In Gemini, the left seated figure represents Christ. The right seated figure with a harp represents the Church. Eph. 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Gemini pictures that very well. The old Coptic name of this sign, Pi Mahi, signifies the United, the Completely joined. Pollux, the star in the left head, means the Ruler, the Judge. In his foot is the star Al Henah, the Hurt, the Wounded." Agape

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I have read some of your book so far. I have gotten to the part about if we look for his 2nd coming, we can find it. but i thought it said somewhere in the bible that no man shall know the day of the 2nd coming? Or maybe your just saying we can pinpoint the exact year, but not necessarily the exact day and time? please explian.

My reply

People quote Mt. 24:36, but we really should read verses 35 and 36 together. It says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

When Jesus said that in the Olivet Discourse, the Jewish month and day of the month were already in Scripture. Eze. 29:17 sets the day, "the first month, in the first day of the month." That is Nisan 1. Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

That agrees with Hosea 6:3: "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The Lord said in De. 11:14, "I will give you the rain of your land (Israel) in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain."

The former rain starts Tishri 1, the first day of the Civil Year. The latter rain starts Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. It looks like Jesus will officially take office on the same day that all the other Israelite kings officially took office.

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Right after I sent you the last e-mail, I browsed P&C 427, and spent the next two hours digging out the support material to reveal my deep concern and reaction over that person that sent you the e-mail of the ABOMINATION of suggesting the LIE that Lucifer could be forgiven. I want to get the INIQUITY of this DOCTRINE OF DEMONS out in the open IMMEDIATELY, before ANYONE is seduced by this. FIRST, read John 8:44 and know why Lucifer is against ANYTHING a Christian represents.  The cult that promotes this started out in 1963 as the Process Church of the final judgement (The Process). When it rejected it's founder, Robert DeGrimston, in 1974, it's name was changed to the Foundation Church of the Millenium, and currently is named the Foundation Faith of God. Processians declare "Christ said, Love you enemies", and since "Christ's enemy was satan. Through love, Christ and satan have destroyed their enmity and come together for the end, Christ to judge, satan to execute judgement" "Therefore to worship satan was to worship Christ, and to kill in satan's name was to kill in Christ's." From this FALSE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS, came a belief that members of the "Processian church would have the right to provide moral leadership in a New Age led by a God -sent Messiah" This Process church belief is the link to the Son of Sam murders and the Charles Manson murders. (book: "The Ultimate Evil" by Maury Terry). The demonic symbol of this group started out as a silver cross entwined by a red serpent. This cross has now been replaced with the Star of David with two "F's" one inverted, which look like the swastika which the original nazi loving Process church embraced. The original church tried to explain how a good God had created the devil and evil, (stating the devil is not truly evil, and therefore will eventually be a cohort of God) ABOMINATION!! Today, the emphasis of the "processians" is to explain the nature of the coming Apocalypse and the role this false church will play in the social order that follows.
Marilyn, you were absolutely correct in rejecting this concept by referring to scripture. More proof that your writings are revelations from the God breathed gospel, and not your "interpretations", which your writings are sometimes accused of being.
It is no suprise to me that just now, prior to the pre-tribulation rapture, that satan would try to push some of this filthy abomination into all of us who watch. (And I do not mean I am judging the person who wrote you the original e-mail) You see, the fallen angels are actually very easy to discover, because they are known to manifest the same old lies over and over.
In closing, if either the writer of the e-mail, or any person who thinks there is anything but abomination in the thought exposed here, Pray that the Heavenly Father will cleanse your thoughts of this iniquity. Agape love to all the brethren, the blessed hope is truly at the door!

My reply

Thanks. I had not heard of these groups. Agape

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I was excited when I got your last response telling of the "bow" meaning fabric rather than a weapon. This is a confirmation of another bible scholar I listen to regularly. Chuck Missler (Koinonia House, Post Falls, Idaho) said the same thing. He also mentioned that when The Word speaks of the one who will make a covenant with many that the word there could be more to the point "to ENFORCE a treaty for 7 years" this is quite interesting. Anyway, I think you might find his viewpoints stimulating and if you want I can give you more info.

My reply

That is correct. The word is "gabar," a prim. root, to be mighty, be stronger, or strengthen. I think the PLO and Israel will sign the Final Status Agreement Sept. 13, 2000. Then, the Beast and False Prophet will confirm and strengthen it the following Pentecost. It looks like the groups the Beast will be heading up may be called the Parliament of the World and the Parliament of the World Religions.
Thanks for offering to send me info. I am (especially) interested in things Chuck Missler or Charles Capp say.

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What a wonderful blessing to see a christian site on the web. I enjoyed reading about the tribulation.

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I recently heard a pastor in Atlanta discussing end times prophecy { which is amazing in itself! ;) } the day after the Rosh Hashanah holiday. Iım studying these points on my own, but I also wanted to pass them on to you; you may have heard them before, but nonetheless, here they are:

God declared the end from the beginning. In Genesis 1, something happened between verse 1 and 2 (see 2 Peter 3:1-7 as a reference). The Earth was destroyed and re-formed (as you have also mentioned before) for the first time as a result of what happened with Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12-15 (another description can be found in Jeremiah 4:23-28). The issue of the Earth being ³void² in Jeremiah signifies that the first destruction (or ³Luciferıs Flood) took place because God did not originally create the Earth ³void² (see Isaiah 45:18).

The Earth was destroyed and re-formed the second time during the time of Noah. It will be destroyed and re-formed again a third time during the tribulation period. These three separate events of destruction follow the example of God working in sets of three.

John 11:39-44 talks about the four days that Lazareth was dead in the tomb. It was at that point that Jesus came and brought him back to life. It was also four "days", or 4000 years, (2 Peter 3:8) until Jesus came into this world to save mankind from sin and eternal destruction. In John 11:3-8, there is a reference to two days. Iım not sure the significance of Jesus waiting two days before going to Lazarus?

In Mark 9:1-9, on the mount of transfiguration, they begin the journey with Jesus to the mountain "after six days." On the mountain, Jesus is transformed just like we will be very soon...our "six days" lease (2 Peter 3:8) on this Earth has come to an end! I know there is much more symbolism there, but the "six days" reference excites me.

In the Good Samaritan parable in Luke 10:30-37, Jesus says in verse 36, "And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence and gave them to the host, and said unto him, 'take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.'" Two pence was equal to two day's wages in that time. Going on the principles of the Samaritan representing Jesus coming to save us and "a day is as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8), the world's two thousand year period since Jesus' first coming are complete! He gave us supplies and provisions for 2000 years, and now Heıs coming back for the final payment!

Joel 1:5-19 is a call to our present world to wake up before they wail in destruction. The Lord commands us to share and warn others to seek repentance. Joel 2:1-11 goes on to reveal how the Body of Christ will be seen at the end of this age before the 1000 year millennium reign of the Lord.

The pastor spoke of a short time of grace after the 6000 years that will last a minimum of 8 months to a maximum of 3 years. Not sure where he got this from‹any thoughts? Come Even Now Lord Jesus!

My reply

I agree that II Pet. 3:5 refers to the Earth before Adam. Verses 5 and 6 say, "by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water.: Whereby the world (kosmos, order of things) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished." The Earth remained, but it became waste and desolation. The Lord refreshed it to make it a fit habitat for Adam.

There is a chance that the 4 days (that Lazareth was dead in the tomb) line up with the 4 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9.

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