Pro and Con 433

Uploaded 12-15-99

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...I have just read your Gospel in the stars....it is excellent....I was a little wary at first because I came to the Lord at 15 when he rescued me from the Occult and terrible satanic attack. I was afraid to look at astrology because it was so hard to get free from it's influences and the idolatry tied up with it. No wonder satan has tried so hard to discredit and defile it. It is all there isn't it!

One thing that really jumped out at me though was the fact that the only people that were READY for Jesus' first coming, who SAW the star and UNDERSTOOD it's meaning and who were FAITHFUL and WAITING for him were the Magi. Isn't it wonderful that God made sure that those people were recorded in his word and called WISE MEN and KINGS down through the centuries?

If we see, if we are ready, and understand, if we are faithful and found waiting for him after the 2nd new stars (Nova Velorum) appearing - until His 2nd coming - we will also be called WISE virgins and will be KINGS and priests in heaven!!! It's just so lovely that our Father made sure that those three would be fashionably known as wise men in the latter days for those who KNOW the truth. Will be in touch often. Love

My reply

We are to leave Astrology and horoscopes alone and study Astronomy, the study of the stars. They are different.

...I am so excited though. There is another new star. I'll copy the info I just sent to one of Ed's relatives. Glad you saw the correlation between wise men (we really don't know how many) and wise virgins too. Love
(news item omitted. Already posted)

Lu. 21:25 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun (we've had unusually large solar storms, with another one coming at the end of the year, and 2 comets hit the sun), and in the moon (it has a sodium tail), and in the stars...

In the stars, we had the huge gamma ray burster in top of the shepherd's crook in BOOTES right hand Jan. 23, 1999. BOOTES is from the Hebrew BO (TO COME). BOOTES means the COMING ONE. We had the new star NOVA VELORUM in the sails of the ship ARGO (meaning THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS) May 22, 1999. This ship has the face of Christ at the water line and a Ram's Head on the prow. The sails are reefed, the oars in reverse, it is backing into dock. Now, we have another new star in Aquilla, the wounded eagle that stands for Christ in his crucifixion. The Delta Aquilae star is AL OKAL (meaning WOUNDED IN THE HEEL). Another star in Aquila is DENEB (meaning THE LORD OR JUDGE COMETH).

Gen. 3:15 says, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt BRUISE HIS HEEL."

Verse 28 says, "And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

The WISE men saw a new star before the Christ child was born. They saw another to show them he was in Bethlehem. I am not surprised that the WISE virgins are getting similar signs in our days. Hope the Rapture will be next Pentecost.

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Re: End Time
You know there's a year or two error between the Jewish and Gentile calenders. But your pretty close though. I've heard Jack Van Impe say (not predicting) the Lord could come anywhere between 2007 and 2012. Man was created approxitmently 6000 years ago. It seems like every 2000 years God does something miraculas. From Adam to Noah was approx. 2000 years (the flood), 2000 later Jesus was born and died for us and was risen from the grave, and now less than a month away from Y2K which would make it a total of 6,000 years. God created the earth in six days or 6,000 years, I'm not sure where its at but the Word says "A day with the Lord as a thousand years as a thousand years is a day".

Some people may believe He will come in 2000 and some believe it will be after 2001. The Word says we will know even at the door....

My reply

> You know there's a year or two error between the Jewish and Gentile calenders.

A year or two? Do you mean because this is our 1999 and their 5760? Will it make any difference when it is our 2000 and their 5760?

> Man was created approxitmently 6000 years ago. It seems like every 2000 years God does
> something miraculas. From Adam to Noah was approx. 2000 years (the flood), 2000 later
> Jesus was born and died for us and was risen from the grave, and now less than a month
> away from Y2K which would make ittt a total of 6,000 years.

That is really a broad generalization. It was literally 1656 years from Adam's creation to the Flood in BC 2387.

> "A day with the Lord as a thousand years as a thousand years is a day".

What version? The KJV of II Pet. 3:8 says, "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

> Some people may believe He will come in 2000 and some believe it will be after 2001.

But, they can't all be right.

> The Word says we will know even at the door.

Where does it say that? I'd like to quote that one. Agape

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I'll give you 500 to 1 odds if you're willing to bet on the date of the rapture. I'm guessing "Never," but if you have a specific date in mind, I'll give you the 500-1 odds. Please let me know. I'm quite serious. Rather than eon, let's just say at the end of 2000, if The Lord hasn't returned, you owe me a buck. If you're suspended for 7 years during the battle of good vs evil, I'll give you $500. What do you say?

My reply

I don't bet, but think next Pentecost will be the big day. Read my new file "God's picture book, 'THE WAY,' written in the stars." The link is on the top of my Home Page.

If I am right, I could not collect from you, and you know it. Agape

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If the tribulation lasts up to 8 months after the 7th seal is opened, for the trumpet and vial judgements, and the total duration of the tribulation is 2300 days, might it not be that the tribulation also starts up to 8 months after 28 May, 2001? That would then also make Pentecost, 2001 a possible rapture date. I know about the 2300 exact day count from May 28, 2001 to Sept. 12, 2007, but might there be other possibilities? Hanukkah 2001 to April, 2008? Thanks!

My reply

The whole Tribulation is 2520 days (1260 + 1260 = 2520) (Rev. 11:3; 12:6). The shortened Tribulation is 2300 days (Dan. 8:14). It is shortened 220 days or 7.33 months.

. There is now only one time, before the 40 years of the last generation run out, that the period between Feast of Weeks/Pentecost and Trumpets contains the required 2,300 days (evening-mornings, as in Genesis 1:5) for the shortened Tribulation.

There are 2298 days from Sivan 6, in our 2000 to Tishri 1, in our 2006. There are 2300 days from Sivan 6, in our 2001 to Tishri 1, in our 2007. These are counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning.

The Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967 + 40 years of testing and probation = 2007 (Mt. 24:32-34).

The millennial Day of the Lord starts on the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3).

Because the "ten kings...have received no kingdom as yet (Rev. 17:12) at the time of the Rapture, and are crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 13:1), there is a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation. Agape

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Happy Birthday Marilyn. May it be your last (in the flesh!). Maranatha

My reply

Gee thanks. I hadn't even remembered yet that today was my birthday. It's 4:48 AM. I'm now 71.

I have spent the last two days in bed--Doctor's orders, and you know what, I'm not sleepy now. I didn't nap during the day, but did turn out the light at least an hour earlier than usual. Someone very nice sent me a new exeGesis PARALLEL BIBLE. When I got that just before my Doctor's appointment, I thought uh-oh, am I going to need something to read? Sure enough. I did, and you know there's nothing I'd rather read than a different version of the Bible. I read non-stop. It couldn't have come at a better time.

Its very different and interesting, being translated in a very literal manner from the Aramaic. Instead of LORD (for YHVH) and Jesus, the names of Elohim are transliterated as Yah Veh and Yah Shua (meaning Yah Saves), which seems both accurate and pronounceable. Herb Jahn used El, Eli, Elah, Elohim; adon, adoni, Adonay, where they appear, and for the Lord Jesus Christ, he has Adonay Yah Shua Messiah, very expressive.

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus says Yah Veh the Sovereign of Yisra El, and his redeemer Yah Veh Sabaoth; I--the first, and I--the final; and except me, there is no Elohim."

The KJV says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." I'd rather know exactly what it said. How about you? Agape

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Hi Marilyn, Ed, Could you be so kind as to HELP me with P&C 431, Page 7, "FWD: Israeli radio . . . six-foot high Menorah has been built" In "My reply" from you, "That candlestick had 7 lamps . . It was to be of one piece because this is one Solar System. The lamps represented Sun, Mercury, . . ." I am really confused now.

Let's start with your first book (Exit 2007), circa 1991. Page 209-214. Cherubim are planets, I agree, this is the only clear explanation of Ezekiels vision of wheels in wheels and lamps. (FIRST comment, the Sun is neither a planet, nor does it orbit anything in the Solar System)

Next book (Heaven Found), circa 1995. Page 138. The Menorah lampstand (which I assume is the article referred to in P&C 431) is depicting Mars, Rahab, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, All "east of eden" (The eden of the planet earth). This is totally different than P&C 431.

Next book (Revelations 2000), circa 1998. Page 190-191. Duplicates and confirms the seven-branched golden candlestick in "Heaven Found". Once again, differs from P&C 431.

The books contain the description I agree with. I am not in agreement with the description in P&C 431. It's all mixed up, throws in the Sun (which does not make any sense), and is missing some of the Cherubim (especially Rahab, which is key to the whole description of Ezekiel 28:16).

HELP! I need this clarified. Are you abandoning your description in the three books in favor of something different? Agape

My reply

Yes, I have changed my mind on the planetary lineup represented by the candlestick. I bow to Josephus on this point. I think he was right and I was wrong. All along, I take in all the information I can get my hands on, sift it to see what agrees with the Bible, keep that, and throw the rest to the winds. I am constantly learning. The candlestick in the Tabernacle was solid gold. In the case of the candlestick in the Temple, it was cast gold. In the following quote, Josephus tells us something I didn't know before I wrote my books. Remember that he was a Pharisee priest. Here is what he said,

"...near the southern wall, was set a candlestick of CAST GOLD, hollow within, being of the weight of one hundred pounds...It was made with its knops, and lilies, and pomegranates, and bowls, (which ornaments amounted to seventy in all;) by which means the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are PLANETS, INCLUDING THE SUN AMONG THEM. It terminated in seven heads, in one row, all standing parallel to one another; and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, in imitation of the number of the PLANETS. These lamps looked to the east and to the south, the candlestick being situate obliquely" (Ant. III. VII. 7).

Just as I had stretched my time to the limit one day, I had to leave BIOLA Library. In my haste to get somewhere on time, I closed the book after seeing only the last part, "in imitation of the number of the PLANETS," without seeing the previous part that said it included the Sun. Now that someone nice sent me my own copy, I can read the whole thing and get it straight. The western light was to always be kept lit, so it makes sense that it represented the Sun. Next come Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, all the naked eye planets. Rahab had been split apart before Adam was put on Earth, so it was omitted here.

It isn't that Josephus was always right. He made some mistakes since, like the rest of us, he was human. However, since he lived in the first century and was a priest, I think he knew more about this than me. So, I accept what he said, unless I find out on good authority that he was wrong.

I still think the four cherubim in Ezekiel 1 and 10 are the terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. In Eze. 1, they orbit in concentric rings about the central Sun. The seraphim of Isa. 6 may refer to Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, although since "the LORD of hosts...dwelleth between the cherubim" (II Sam. 6:2), I think all the planets can be called cherubim.

Concerning the asteroid, a piece of shattered Rahab, we can see it in Eze. 1:13. I read that verse in every version I could get my hands on. At first, it is not too easy to identify what it is really talking about. Green's Interlinear seemed the clearest. It says, "...like the appearance of torches, It was continually circling among the living creatures" (lively things). "It" is the asteroid, "the curse" that is twice as long as wide of Zech. 5:1-3, the "mountains" that "shall be thrown down" of Eze. 38:20, and both the "great mountain burning with fire" and the "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" of Rev. 8:8,10. It seems to be a binary. One piece is the "stone like a great millstone" of Rev. 18:21.

I'll give you a quote from my new treasure, the exeGesis PARALLEL BIBLE, that someone nice sent me. It is translated and transliterated from the Aramaic instead of from the Greek. When the New Testament was written, both Aramaic and Greek were used in Judea. This new Bible is very literal. Eze. 1:13 says, "As for the likeness of the live beings: their visage is as burning coals of fire and as the visage of flambeaus: going up and down among the live beings..." These "flambeaus" are the "torches" of Green's and the "coals of fire from between the cherubim" of Eze. 10:2....Agape

PS:I found this interesting. In Prophecy in the News, Dec., 99, p. 13, J.R. Church says, "Another astronomical event took place in the second century B.C. that lasted nearly 400 years. A supernova appeared in the head of the child in the lap of Coma, a sidereal sidepiece to the constellation Virgo. It was so bright, it could be seen in the daytime. By the second century A.D., it had almost faded away." The child in COMA represents the Christ child, and he is the light of the world. That seems like a sign.

Also, there are about 7 months between the appearance of the new stars. Nova Velorum 1999 was seen on May 22. Nova Aquilla 1999 was seen Dec. 1. This latter one is just about 7 months before Pentecost, June 9,10, 2000.

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I am trying to prove that Israel is "the fig tree". Can you point me towards any bible passages that say that Israel is the fig tree? Thanks in advance

My reply

Sure. Look at these: Joel 1:6,7; Hos. 9:10; Eze. 36:8 and Jer. 24:5. Agape

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Dear Marilyn and Ed, How wonderful it was to receive your response to the P&C 431. I have learned that we the Church never stop learning. I have adopted the practice of being accepting of new knowledges revealed to us believers, because they are being revealed to us at an ever increasing rate. It doesn't make any difference to me that your personal revelations blossom into new discoveries, from your previous books. Chances are somebody out there will continue to pick apart your published writings, it doesn't matter, your Agape Love has been evident always to me....Thank you Marilyn. Agape

My reply

None of us are perfect. We know in part, and we must ever be seeking to learn more. He that hath is given more. The new builds on the old. Learning is a never-ending process. Our brains were given the ability to recognize, compare, sort and store information. Nothing is static. New information comes in and is understood in the light of the already existing database. If two bits of data do not agree, thanks to God we also have the ability to discard the bit that does not agree with the whole and go on from there. If we ever think that we know it all, we will soon find out that we don't. There is more to learn than we ever realized. We must remain open, teachable, and pray that the Lord help us to discern what is right and what is wrong all along the way....Agape

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The Jewish calendar is missing 240 years, isn't that correct? What happened, where is it? How are the missing years accounted for? I appreciate your comment(s).

My reply

The way I figure, Adam was created in BC 4044/43, which was 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era). The Jews did not reckon their calendar as beginning until 3761 BC.

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Re: you did not . . . grrr . . .: Noodle826@aol.com wrote:
. . . the more you predict away from the Truth . . . the more the Truth is the Truth . . . you are not thinking straight . . . look . . . no man can know the time . . . the TIME . . . it'll be whenever everyone least expects it . . . and with all of you shouting prophecies . . . you're playing into the Truth . . . anyone who says ::: "Oh nothing will happen . . ." is just playing into the role . . . {PREPARE or PERISH}

My reply

I Pet. 1:22 says, "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently." Agape

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Hi, IM a born again Christian who just read your website. I think you are out of line predicting dates for the rapture, the tribulation etc. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR, NOT EVEN THE SON BUT MY FATHER ONLY." WHAT PART OF THAT DON U. UNDERSTAND? IF JESUS THE LIVING SON OF GOD SAID THAT, I SURE AS HELL WONT BELIEVE A MORTAL LIKE YOU. YOUR NOT SMARTER THAN GOD. JESUS SAYS TO BE READY EVERY DAY, HE DID NOT SET a specific TIME. HE WOULD NOT MAKE IT THAT EASY. HE WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.

WHY DON'T U PUT YOUR SPECULATION AWAY AND JUST TRUST GOD WILL COME BACK IN HIS PERFECT TIMING??? BY YOU PREDICTING DATES, ITS LIKE YOUR SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT U DON'T TRUST GOD WITH HIS TIMING, SO YOUR TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF???? WHY CANT U JUST SIT BACK AND NOT SPECULATE??? JESUS CAN COMNE BACK ANYTIME, BY YOU TRYING TO PREDICT DATES AND YEARS, THATS NOT GOING TO MAKE HIM COME ANY SOONER OR LATER. IN FACT YOUR GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD PREDICTING. JESUS DIDNT SAY PREDICT OR TRY HE SAID NO ONE KNOWS, NO ONE,

WHEN U PREDICT DATES FOR 2000, 2007 YOUR FOCUSING SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY INTO THOSE YEARS AND ARE SO CONVINCED YOUR RIGHT, THATS WHEN JESUS COULD COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT, YOUR PREPARING FOR HIM IN PENTECOST 2000 , HE JUST MIGHT COME WHEN U LEAST EXPECT HIM JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS. he will come when no one expects him, the bottom line is you dont know when he's coming back??? Does the bible command you to guess and speculate???? NO!No!No!

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God Bless

My reply

You have the right to your own opinions, just as I do to mine.

I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said to publish and conceal not. I am doing that to the best of my ability.

Jesus said to "Watch." Are you watching? Are you alert to new developments? What is the latest significant event? the latest sign?

Are you following in the footsteps of the Pharisees? Jesus told them, "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" (Mt. 16:3).

"Daniel understood by books the number of the years" (Dan. 9:2). Was he rapped on the knuckles for looking for "the number of the years"?

> THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR, NOT EVEN
> THE SON BUT MY FATHER ONLY." WHAT PART OF THAT DON U. UNDERSTAND?

Mt. 24:35,36 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." "WHAT PART OF THAT DON U. UNDERSTAND?"

> HE WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT

II Pet. 3:10 says, "But the DAY OF THE LORD will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

I Thess. 5:2-5: "For yourselves KNOW PERFECTLY that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a THIEF in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. BUT YE, BRETHREN, ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE ARE NOT OF THE NIGHT, NOR OF DARKNESS. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us WATCH."

In Rev. 3:3, Jesus warns "the churches:" "If therefore thou shalt NOT watch, I will come on thee (the believer) as a thief, and thou SHALT NOT KNOW WHAT HOUR I WILL COME UPON THEE." What can you know if you do watch?

In Mk. 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS."

Lu. 8:17,18: "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. TAKE HEED THEREFORE HOW YE HEAR."

Dan. 12:10: "None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

Mk. 4:22-25: "there is NOTHING hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath."

I John 1:18,20: "Little children (i.e., the last generation, Mt. 24:32-34), it is the LAST TIME (year, Rev. 12:6,14)...ye have an unction (anointing) from the Holy One, and ye know ALL things."

Don't miss out on this grace. I Pet. 1:10,11 says, "the prophets...who prophesied of the grace that should come unto YOU: SEARCHING WHAT, OR WHAT MANNER OF TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify."

We are almost home. Don't stumble at the gate. Agape

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Re: Webpage-befor Adam`s Creation:
Great reading, yes I can see your explanation of things concerning the forming of our World. I remember as a child reading some scientific paper on the Moon being part of the Earth, Thank you for your research, I will pass your site along and come back to it myself, its already bookmark

My reply

Thank you for your kind words. Agape

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Re: P&C 432. WOW
This is truly a great P&C. Should be required reading for everyone!

My reply

Thanks and God bless

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This would tend to verify your position about the AC being both Pope and world political leader....

Associated Press reported: ³Declaring human rights Œhave no borders,¹ Pope John Paul II on Monday gave strong backing to international efforts to punish crimes against humanity. ŒCrimes against humanity cannot be considered an internal affair of a nation,¹ John Paul said in his annual message for the church's World Day of Peace on Jan. 1. The pope said the world has been Œsorely tried¹ in the 20th century by war and genocide and that humanity must abandon the idea that the claims of a nation take precedence over the common good. He endorsed establishment of an International Criminal Court to try such crimes as Œan important first step¹ in accepting the concept that human rights are Œuniversal and indivisible¹ A U.N. treaty on the court was brokered in Rome last year over the opposition of major powers such as the United States, China and Russia. It is now going through a lengthy ratification process..."

My reply

I call the first world leader the Beast and the second the False Prophet, as in Rev. 19:20. Since the False Prophet is Satan possessed, I think he is the final Antichrist.

Of the Beast, Rev. 13:4,7,8 says, "they WORSHIPPED the beast...and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS. And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP him, whose names are not written in the book of life." Agape

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Re: just as you predicted
Sat Dec 11,1999 -- Palestinian Minister of Planning and International Cooperation Nabil Shaath said the Palestinian state will be announced at its specified time, September 2000, adding that this decision comes under to Palestinian sovereignty, and no one can interfere in it. Concerning the issue of refugees, Shaath said this topic will be determined through UN resolution 194, which states the right of those refugees to return to their homes or receive compensation if they do not want to return. Editor's note: Watch to see if this will be included in the framework agreement to be signed in February.

My reply

Thanks for this news. They are having meetings about the framework agreement now. Agape

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I BELIEVE THAT YOUR #432 REPLY TO THE MAN WITH A JEWISH WIFE IS ONE OF THE MOST SPIRIT FILLED SUMMARIES OF THE TRUTH AND PROOF OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST TO DATE ON THIS WEB PAGE! MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND OTHERS THROUGH HIS HOLY WORD SPOKEN ON YOUR WEB SITE! THIS POST SHOULD PROVIDE ENORMOUS DIVIDENDS FOR THE KINGDOM, AS MANY NONBELIEVERS AS WELL AS BELIEVERS FIND NEW MEANING IN THEIR FAITH! YOURS IN CHRIST

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Agape

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