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From South Africa
Dear Marilyn & Ed, A few months ago I had a dream vision. In it I was with my son --- my 11 year old boy who was killed in a car accident (I told you about him before). In the dream I was aware of the fact that he was no longer with us, and I was so happy to receive a visit from him and to know what he was doing etc.. he told me that he was presently studying the pyramids of ramageez (I am spelling it as I heard it) of course, the only thing I could assimilate this with was the great pyramid of Giza, I have since been studying as much as I can about this last remaining of the seven wonders of the world.

"In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and He shall send them a Saviour, and a great one, and He shall deliver them." Isaiah 19:19-20

Isaiah recorded an altar and a pillar were built unto the Lord. The word pillar means "a monument, or personal memorial". The Pyramid is not only a monument, but a personal memorial to our Lord, Christ Jesus. The prophet Jeremiah also spoke of the Great Pyramid:

"Which has set signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, even unto this day, and in Israel, and among other men; and hast made thee a name, as at this day;" Jeremiah 32:20

The Great Pyramid was set for signs and wonders unto God's people unto this day. This pillar was to be set in the midst of the land of Egypt, and at the border of Egypt. One may wonder how something could sit on the border and yet be in the midst of the land?

The Great Pyramid is located exactly on the border of Upper and Lower Egypt. Therefore it is on the border of Egypt. It stands in the exact center of the land mass of Egypt. It has been calculated that there is as much land mass on earth north of the Great Pyramid as there is South, and as much land mass east of the Great Pyramid as there is west. If these calculations are correct then the Great Pyramid stands in the exact center of all the land mass on earth. The Great Pyramid truly stands in the midst of the land. Just as the belly button is the center of the body, so the pyramid is the center of the earth. (coincidence?)

Both Isaiah and Jeremiah recorded the Great Pyramid would be a sign and a wonder unto the Lord. All the world has wondered at the Pyramid over the past centuries. The Pyramid has become one of the most visited places on the face of the earth.

Ancient hieroglyphics record a Semantic Shepherd King who visited the Pharaoh's winter palace in Egypt which was located in the vicinity of the Great Pyramid. The Bible records Abraham went to Egypt at the time of the great drought in Canaan. Most likely Abraham witnessed the Great Pyramid in all its glory when it was covered with polished limestone one foot thick. Isaiah and Jeremiah declared the Great Pyramid would be a sign. The word sign (to be a signal, an ensign, a standard, an omen and a warning). God has set this end-time sign that has withstood the ages and eons of time to record God's original plan, and only plan, for the redemption of His fallen creation man. The intricate placement of these passageways and chambers is God's witness and sign to man that He intends to restore man to his original created condition.

The Great Pyramid contains four passage ways:

The Ascending Passage
The Descending Passage
The Horizontal Passage
The Well Shaft

It contains four chambers:
The Subterranean Chamber called the Pit
The Well Shaft Chamber called the Grotto
The King's Chamber
The Queen's Chamber

The Ascending Passage leads to the King's Chamber. To reach the King's Chamber one must pass through the Grand Gallery and the Anti-Chamber. The Horizontal Passage leads to the Queen's Chamber and the Descending Passage leads to the Pit.

There are two entrances into the Great Pyramid: the original opening and a man-made opening. This opening was made by Caliph Al Mamoun in AD 820. The original opening is in the 17th course of masonry. The forced entry was made in the seventh course of masonry.

Both these numbers are interesting in our study of Bible numeric. They are both prime numbers. Prime numbers are indivisible numbers, meaning they cannot be divided equally by any number larger than 1. These numbers are: 2 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17, etc.

Seven is the fourth (4th) prime number and seventeen is the seventh (7th) prime number. The original opening is located in the seventeenth course of masonry. Seventeen is made up of two numbers: 7 and 10. Ten is God's number of Spiritual order or completeness. Seven is God's number for Spiritual perfection. Seven and ten reveal God's Spiritual perfection of His Spiritual order.

When man forced his way into the Pyramid at the seventh course of Masonry, it reveals that man has attempted to come into God's Spiritual order by his own strength and power. Jesus spoke of those who try to enter His Kingdom some other way then what He has provided: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:1

The entrance to the Great Pyramid represents the "womb". All who come into this life come by the way of the womb. When a child is born, his way is set before him. A baby is not born sinful, but is born into sin. From the time the child takes his first breath, he enters the downward passage which leads to death and destruction. "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

The downward passage is lighted for some distance by the light of the entry way. But the farther man digresses on his downward path, the dimmer the light until he is groping in utter darkness with no hope in his life.

Only one-fourth of the Descending Passage is in the Pyramid. Three-fourths of the Descending Passage is below the base of the Pyramid. The Pit, or as it is commonly called "The Bottomless Pit", is approximately one hundred feet below the base of the Pyramid. The passage to the Pit descends very rapidly. The floor of the Pit is very uneven and steep with no place to rest. Another shaft continues downward in the floor of the Pit. This shaft leads nowhere. There is no escape for those who enter the Pit. Since all mankind was born with a sin nature because of Adam's sin, God made a way of escape for man in his downward course to death and destruction (through the blood of Jesus). About one hundred feet from the entrance in the Pyramid we come to the entrance of the Ascending Passage. But the entrance to the Ascending Passage is blocked with three red granite plugs. Red granite is only used two places in the Pyramid: here at the entrance of the Ascending Passage and in the King's Chamber. Granite is much harder than limestone. So instead of removing the red granite plug, man in his own way, bypassed the plug. A tunnel was made around the red granite plug making man's own way into the Ascending Passage. Red is the color of "blood" the blood shed for the forgiveness of our sin. In the Old Testament, the blood of innocent animals atoned for man's sin. It was not until Jesus shed His innocent blood that man was forgiven his sin. It is not only necessary to choose the right path, but there is an enduring unto the end if we are to be part of God's universal plan of salvation. The Ascending Passage reveals this enduring unto the end. The Ascending Passage is dark, steep and slippery. It is hard to walk in this passage without slipping backwards or losing your footing all together. The first part of the Ascending Passage represents the time when we come into God's plan of salvation. We have asked and received forgiveness of sin in our life. This is when we begin our upward walk with God.

Those who have not asked, and are not seeking and knocking, are remaining in the Ascending Passage. They are still groping in the darkness. God's Word is not a lamp unto their feet and a light unto their path, " Psalm 119:105. They are groping along, slipping and sliding backwards, never seeming to get anywhere in their walk with God. It all seems up hill with no rest for their weary souls. Many slip and slide all the way back to the Descending Passage.

At the entrance to the Grand Gallery Ascending Passage there are two other openings: the mouth of the Well Shaft and the Horizontal Passage that leads to the Queen's chamber. The Well Shaft connects with the Descending Passage just before the Bottomless Pit. The Horizontal Passage leads to the Queen's Chamber. As we continue up the steep incline, we come to the King's Chamber. Those who are called, sealed, and anointed to enter the King's Chamber must travel the steep incline of the Grand Gallery. But something has been added in the Grand Gallery that was not in the first part of the Ascending Passage. The designer of the Pyramid cut hand-holds in the side of the Grand Gallery to help ( the helper, holy spirit) the traveler who is in the process of overcoming the difficulties of this life. The hand-holds represent the promises of God that we have through the Spirit to help in this very difficult journey. Those who are called to be partakers of this heavenly calling never have an easy life. The Grand Gallery ends at the fiftieth course of masonry. Fifty is the number of the Holy Spirit. Those who enter the King's Chamber are those in whom the Holy Spirit has completed His work. At the end of the Grand Gallery there is a giant step. This is called the Great Step. This is the only step up in the entire Pyramid. This step is quite high and represents a change (transformation) that must take place in those who are called to the King's Chamber.

Above the step we enter into the Anti-Chamber. The Anti-Chamber is constructed of red granite. From here on everything is red granite including the King's Chamber. This is the only place in the entire Pyramid where red granite is used except the granite plug at the entrance of the Ascending Passage.

The red granite in the Anti-Chamber and the King's Chamber represent the Spiritual realm of God, and those who enter this realm have gone all the way with God.

Before entering the King's Chamber, there is the Anti-Chamber. This is the place of final preparation before entering into the presence of the King. To get into the Anti-Chamber one must stoop (humble ourselves) to get under a granite block less then four feet high. After stooping, then one can stand erect again.

The King's Chamber is the largest and highest of all the chambers in the Pyramid. The King's Chamber contains the only article of furniture in the entire Pyramid. This is called the Open Coffer. The Open Coffer reveals the open tomb. Those who enter the King's Chamber have entered into resurrection life. Death has no more dominion over them. Since the Pyramid was not used as a burial sight, the open coffer was never used. The King's chamber is not a place for the dead, but for the living.

At the entrance to the Grand Gallery is the Horizontal Passage. The Horizontal Passage leads to the Queen's Chamber. Those who are called to the Queen's Chamber have another calling and sealing in their life. As the King's Chamber represents the Spiritual realm, the Queen's Chamber represents the earth realm.When we enter the Horizontal Passage we have entered the realm where we are allowing Christ to be formed in us. When Christ is formed in us, and replaces the old Adamic nature, then we can be lifted up in the sight of God. This lifting up is shown in the Horizontal Passage. When we travel six-sevenths of the Horizontal Passage we come to a giant step down. When we step down then we can stand upright no longer needing to bend down. We can enter the Queen's Chamber standing upright in the last one-seventh of the Horizontal Passage.

The Horizontal Passage reveals God's seven periods of time. God's time is broken down into seven of God's one thousand year days. For six of these days, God's people have been bowed down under oppression. But God is going to loose His people and set them free. We are coming to the end of the sixth-seventh of the Horizontal Passage, or to the end of the sixth one thousandth year day. We are about to come to that giant step where we will be able to stand on our feet and enter the Kingdom Age.

The Pyramid at Giza has many interesting facets; but the one outstanding characteristic about this pyramid is the fact that the headstone was never set in place. The top of this pyramid is flat and not pointed as the other pyramids around it. The capstone has never been found. The pyramid is complete in every aspect except for the capstone.

The pyramid is the symbol of the Body of Christ. All the corners of the pyramid come together in the Head Stone. There is no other building design other than the pyramid, where all the corners of the building come together in one stone. The headstone looks exactly like the completed building. Through the pyramid, we can see that Christ is the image of the completed building.

The Pyramid at Giza, Egypt, was never completed; as the Body of Christ is not complete. The Body of Christ will not be complete until Christ, the head stone, is set upon His Body. On the 31st December 1999 at midnight a helicopter will lower a lime, encased with gold, capstone on the Great Pyramid of Giza. The stone which the builders refused (Jews refused) is become the Headstone (or capstone) of the corner. Psalm 118:22.

As part of the celebrations a golden capstone will be lowered onto the top of the Great Pyramid by helicopter, however the capstone, which also appears on the US dollar bill is a symbol of the Masonic Order. In the Arab world the Masons are closely linked to Israel and therefore to them it is being suggested that these celebrations are a plot.

Dr Zahi Hawass had this to say about the capping of the pyramid "When the king finished building the pyramid, they put the capstone above the pyramid. It means that the pyramid is finished. Everyone after that, they dance, they sing, because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation."

Whatever happens it seems that the 9 million dollar spectacle will take place. The star "sirius" part of the constillation of Orion, will also be directly in line with the capstone from the east, it has been said that sirius was the same morning star that was seen by the three wise men leading them to the Christ child.

Furthermore I would like to end by saying how much I enjoyed the P&C 432 many questions that have been on my mind as well, and Marilyn once again well answered.

My reply

Thank you for sharing this interesting information.

Glad you enjoyed P & C 432.

I read once that the reason they never put the capstone on was because when they laid out the base, they made a 4 inch mistake and the capstone did not fit.

Our brightest star, SIRIUS (THE PRINCE), is in CANIS MAJOR, a Decan of GEMINI, which I think is the sign of the Rapture. CANIS MAJOR used to be drawn with a prince on a throne. In Greek mythology, they showed Orion with a pair of hunting dogs. I guess that is how Satan managed to get that picture changed to confuse everything. Other stars are AL SHIRA AL JEMENIYA (THE PRINCE OF THE RIGHT HAND), AL HABOR (THE MIGHTY), MULIPHEN (THE LEADER OR CHIEF) AND ASCHERE (WHO SHALL COME), i.e., Christ.

I wonder what about SIRIUS would tell the wise men when the King of Israel was to be born? It is bright, but I think it also has been there right along.

Nu. 24:17 says, "there shall come a Star out of Jacob (i.e., Judah), and a Sceptre (King) shall rise out of Israel." Judah's sign was LEO, and Jesus is "the Lion of the tribe of Juda" (Rev. 5:5). LEO represents Christ as King. Judah also camped on the east. The wise men said they saw his star in the east. There may be a connection there. Maybe there was a new star in Leo. That is just conjecture, but it would seem reasonable that a new star in Leo could tell them of the Lion of Judah's birth.

PS: It was interesting to find that "The Grand Gallery ends at the fiftieth course of masonry." On Jan. 23, 1950, the Knesset voted to make Jerusalem their capitol. 1950 + 50 = 2000. In the 49th year, on Jan. 23, 1999, we had the huge gamma ray burster. I hope the Rapture is in the 50th year. Pentecost means 50 too. What took place in the 50th day in 30 AD might take place in our days in the 50th year. At first, I thought it would be in the 50th year after 1948, but maybe it will be the 50th year after 1950.

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Re: This is disturbing
Marilyn, I hope you forward this message and/or post it cause I am getting quite irritated over the treatment you are recieving from one Tiffany Corona et al. Forgive me but I am not going to stand by and let someone stomp on someone else following God according to their heart. If you wish you may give her my e-mail so we don't turn your site into a firing range. I love you sister.

Tiffany et al,
I am a person who has been keeping track of Marilyn Agee for at least 2 or 3 years now. I have read every E-mail and all her books. I have stuggled over many passages and always am pleasantly sureprised at her responses to my inquiries. I am not saying that I always agree with her but I would say that if you took time to peruse the bibliographies in the back of her books and familurized yourself with her life story, you might think twice before tangling with a very gentle giant.

I want you to know I have nothing to gain from this but I have had enough of people ignoring proper manners when E-mailing someone and especially the rampant disrespect of someone I know would give you her shirt if it would help you see God and/or keep you warm.

First, When e-mailing someone you should treat them with the same respect you should when you are face-to-face. When you capitalize every letter you are not only showing your lack of education but also it is considered yelling loudly. This would not be proper conduct in any situation especially one Christian to another. Too many times we Christians "fire, ready, aim". If you think that the world does not notice this you are greatly mistaken!

Secondly, I don't know your age but I would guess you are a bit younger than 71. I would also guess that you have not spent the better part of that 71 years doing your best to serve and learn about our Lord, not many of us have. I was brought up to respect and adore the elder people in and around my life. After all, they have "been there and done that" and probably have a couple tee-shirts to show. It greives me to see one Christian trying to cut up another Christian who is just doing her best to be a servant of the most high. Are you out talking to the heathen and bringing them in to the fold? Are you spending all hours of the day and night studying and praying to show yourself approved. What will Jesus talk to you about when at last you confront him with your life?

Let us take a long look at ourselves and our attitudes before we decide that God has chosen us to correct another. Every Christian has a right to their own opinions about things in the word that are beyond basic Christian faith (The Gospel) and I think you will find that Marilyn has a very biblical view of The Gospel. You will also find that she usually has several scriptural references to back her other opinions too.

Finally, I think that if you would take time to open your mind and research the scriptures without any of the "party lines" you might find that Marilyn is not so far off as you first thought. Yes, you will disagree but this gives you no right to be disrespectful and plain rude to someone who is always been "quick to forgive and slow to anger". Especiallly someone who you are commanded to love as a sister.

Remember: With what measure you meet. It will be measured back to you. Make sure you lengthen you ruler! Love

My reply

Thanks. Her dad is 51, so she can't be 71; that's for sure....Agape

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Jovial wrote: Dear Marilyn: Someone suggested to me you'd have the answer to this question. I looked around your web site to find any mention of writings during the 1st century of Christianity (after Jesus died to 150 or so AD) on the rapture or the antichrist. Do you know of any? Thanks, Joe

---Original Message---
> Re: What is earliest writings on end-Times?
> From: Jovial : To: 5 Doves: Dec. 17, 1999

> I recently found a document at, which was
> written by Hippolytus of Rome, who died about 236 AD. Does anybody have any idea of
> a writing that describes the anti-christ that is older than this?

> In it, he says...
> * The anti-christ will come from the tribe of Dan. (paragraph 14)
> * That his head will break into 4 pieces, but he will heal himself.
> * The "beast" of Rev 13 is the governmental system, while the 2 horns are the false
> prophet and the antichrist.
> * Discusses how the name of the antichrist will add up to 666 in paragraph 50.
> He does NOT discuss tha rapture anywhere. Anyone got any idea what the oldest writing
> is that discusses the rapture? Shalom, Joe 

My reply

The sermon, "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World," that I have a copy of is about 1500 words by Pseudo Ephraim, c.374-627 AD. Concerning the Rapture, he said, "Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world?...All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

He thought they were approaching the end times in those days and said, "When the Roman empire begins to be consumed by the sword, the coming of the Evil One is at hand. It is necessary that the world come to and end at the completion of the Roman empire.

"In those days two brothers will come to the Roman empire who will rule with one mind; but because one will surpass the other, there well be a schism between them..."

He thinks the young and roaring lion is from the tribe of Dan and says, "When therefore the end of the world comes, that abominable, lying and murderous one is born from the tribe of Dan...

"Therefore, when he receives the kingdom, he orders the temple of God to be rebuilt for himself, which is in Jerusalem; who, after coming into it, he shall sit as God and order that he be adored by all nations, since he is carnal and filthy and mixed with worthless spirit and flesh...Then the Jews shall congratulate him, because he gave them again the practice of the first covenant; then all people from everywhere shall flock together to him at the city of Jerusalem, and the holy city shall be trampled on by the nations for forty-two months...

"In these three years and a half the heaven shall suspend its dew; because there will be no rain...and there will be a great tribulation, as there has not been, since people began to be upon the earth, and there will be famine and an insufferable thirst..."

He mentions Enoch and Elijah, "the servants for the heralding of the second coming of Christ, and in order to accuse the enemy...."

"And when the three and a half years have been completed, the time of the Antichrist, through which he will have seduced the world, after the resurrection of the two prophets, in the hour which the world does not know, and on the day which the enemy of son of perdition does not know, will come the sign of the Son of Man, and coming forward the Lord shall appear with great power and much majesty, with the sign of the wood of salvation going before him, and also even with all the powers of the heavens with the whole chorus of the saints...the angelic trumpet precedes him, which shall sound and declare: Arise, O sleeping ones, arise, meet Christ, because his hour of judgment has come! Then Christ shall come and the enemy shall be thrown into confusion, and the Lord shall destroy him by the spirit of his mouth" (From: "Examining an Ancient Pre-Trib Rapture Statement," by Thomas Ice, Pre-Trib Perspectives, Apr, 1995).

This man seems to have understood that there was a Pre-Trib Rapture and another resurrection on the day of judgment that precedes the Second Advent. I think that is pretty good thinking on his part. Many today do not yet see this clearly. There is a Pre-Trib Rapture and a Pre-Wrath Rapture for the Tribulation saints. One group is seen in heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the first seal is broken. The other group is seen in heaven in Rev. 7:14 before the 7th seal is broken. Agape

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