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POPE TO VISIT, Arutz Sheva News Service, Dec. 19, 1999
An official announcement has been made in Jerusalem to the effect that Pope John Paul II will arrive in Israel on March 25, 2000, for a five-day visit. A senior Vatican official has already said that Israeli officials will not accompany the Pope in eastern Jerusalem.

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Dearest Marilyn and Ed, I want to thank you for rekindling my faith and joy as Y2K nears. You truly sounded a wake-up call on my heart in Feb., 98. and have continued to inspire me since, with your Pro and Con updates. I have come to believe that the full content of the inerrant Word of God was written for this day and this generation. Proof is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible Codes, archeologic findings and the opening of the scriptures and revelation knowledge to dedicated Christians like you. God's Word is perfect, man's interpretation is always somewhat less. You have given over 30 years of your life to reasoning out and publishing your thoughts on how Bible prophecy comes together at this time. Your conclusions are at odds with many of your peers, even though many are, like yourself, basically pre-trib. You respond in love to your antagonists and you witness in love to those who are lost. You have opened more doors to scripture (eschatologically) than anyone since Dake, that I have studied. You are a breath of fresh air that I take to be the Holy Spirit encouraging us to WATCH, and comforting us with His patience and peace until the Revelation of Jesus comes to catch us up into His presence. Oh glorious day!

Your P/Cs have been very edifying, as you contend for the faith that leads to eternal life.

May God bless you both with good health and clarity of mind and spirit. A very Merry Christmas to all and may we all be taken up with the year 2000. (er, I mean, taken UP)

My reply

Gee. Thanks. I like being a breath of fresh air. Nothing stuffy about that. Clarity of mind is my prayer too. At this age, who knows what could happen.

I sure hope 50 years from when the Knesset declared Jerusalem the capitol of Israel, Jan. 23, 1950, will mark the year of the Rapture. Happy holidays. Agape

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May 5th 2000 there is supposed to be a "Grand Alignment" of the planets (where most of the planets happen to line up in their orbits). I have read many of your pro/con pages, and I know that you study the stars and planets. Do you think that there may be any connection or simply a coincidence. I don't make much of it, personally.

You have mentioned 7 good years, followed by 7 bad years. I understand where the 7 bad years come from - the tribulation years spoke of by Daniel. But I don't recall anything about 7 good years (in the Bible). I mean, the Dow has never been higher, the unemployment numbers never lower, but where in the Bible does it talk about the 7 good years?

My reply

> "Grand Alignment" of the planets

In August, B.C. 2, there was a massing together of four of the primary planets, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Uranus, in the vicinity of the sun. Astronomers said that was the beginning of a new age.

We are now on the horizon of a new massing of the same planets, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Uranus--plus Saturn (Heaven) and the moon (Lavanah, white, i.e., the Bride). All will be in the vicinity of the sun--a rare event! All the seven heavenly bodies will be coming together in a massing of the planets on May 5, 2000 (Nisan 30, 5760).

Lu. 21:25 says that there will be "signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars." Verse 28 says, And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." We have had the huge gamma ray burster on Jan. 23, 1999, seemingly the biggest of all time.

In BC 2, or close to it, the wise men saw what was probably a new star that told them that the King of Israel was to be born. When they were in Jerusalem, they saw that star, or another star, that showed them they should go to Bethlehem.

We have had 2 new stars appear. Nova Velorum appeared May 22, 1999, and Nova Aquilla appeared Dec. 1, 1999. Both the ship ARGO and its VELA, sails, and the eagle AQUILLA represent Christ. We are in Christ, so we are the ARGO (COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS). A star in AQUILLA is DENEB (THE LORD OR JUDGE COMETH).

We have also had 2 comets hit the sun, plus huge sun flares, with a big one due here at the end of this year. A big surprise, they found that the moon has a sodium tail that reaches as far as the Earth. This lineup of planets fits right into the overall picture. Although we won't see this massing of planets in the glare of the Sun, I think it will be a sign. We know about it.

> 7 good years, followed by 7 bad years

When Joseph was in Egypt, he interpreted two dreams Pharaoh had. They stood for 7 good years and 7 bad years. Joseph took up 1/5th of the grain in the good years and was able to feed people, including his father (Jacob/Israel) and brothers during the bad years.

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Re: interesting info on star of Bethlehem
Solution in sight for Bethlehem star riddle, PARIS, Dec 17 (AFP)

Exactly 2,000 years ago, according to a widely accredited source, a celestial body rose in the east and guided three eminent thinkers to the scene of an event that was to change the face of the world. Since that time, astronomers and theologians have been baffled as to the precise nature of the star which, as told in the Gospel of St Matthew, led the Magi to the stable in Bethlehem where the founder of the Christian religion was born.

Was it a miracle, a divine intervention to herald the birth of Christ? Was there a star at all, or was it simply added to the Bible to fulfil an Old Testament prophecy? Or was there some actual astronomical event that gave rise to the story of the Star of Bethlehem? The question has intrigued scores of writers and artists as diverse as the astronomer Johannes Kepler, the painter Giotto and the science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke.

Now a British astronomer based in Spain has come up with a theory which, he believes, could lay the mystery to rest. In his book "The Star of Bethlehem" just published, Mark Kidger of the Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias in Tenerife examines evidence drawn from modern Biblical scholarship, recent findings in space and ancient Chinese history to suggest that conclusive proof of the star's existence could be at hand.

Kidger begins by arguing that the Nativity may well have taken place at some time in March or April rather than in December.

Christ's birth is said to have taken place while shepherds were watching their flocks at night, he notes, something that takes place at lambing-time in the spring rather than in the depths of winter.

Moreover if the local inns were full, as Matthew insists, this would be because of the Jewish Passover, which also occurs in the spring. Kidger thus concludes that Christ was born some time around March in 5 BC, taking account of the generally accepted fact that the inventor of the Christian calendar, the 6th century monk Dionysius Exiguus, was five years out in his calculations.

Kidger examines, only to dismiss them out of hand, several earlier theories, including the notion that the "star" could have been an unusual sighting of Venus, or perhaps Halley's Comet or a meteor shower.

More plausible, he says, is the popular theory that what the Magi saw was a planetary conjunction, which occurs when two planets pass very close to each other in the sky, often producing a very striking configuration.

One such conjunction took place in 7 BC when Jupiter and Saturn came close to each other three times in seven months and were then joined by Mars, an event known to have been observed in Babylonia, well to the east of Bethlehem.

A more recent conjecture is that the Star of Bethlehem may have been an occultation of Jupiter by the moon that occurred in 6 BC, the re-emergence of the royal planet from behind the moon's disc suggesting a royal birth. However Kidger points out that the event would have taken place so low in the twilight sky it would have been impossible to observe directly.

For his "best guess" at solving the Star of Bethlehem riddle Kidger looks to an ancient Chinese chronicle called the Ch'ien-han-shu which states that an object, probably a nova, or new star, was observed in March in 5 BC and remained visible for 70 days.

The object would have appeared in the east and remained in the sky long enough to have guided the Magi -- Babylonian astrologers, according to some scholars -- across the desert to Bethlehem.

"It's hard to believe the Star of Bethlehem could have been anything else," Kidger says of the nova, citing the coincidence in date, the duration of visibility and its position in the sky. And proof of its identity may soon be possible.

In 1925 a nova now known as DO Aquilae was seen very close to the position in the sky given by the Ch'ien-han-shu. It was not visible to the naked eye, but Kidger believes an earlier, greater explosion of the same star could have been the Star of Bethlehem. It could also have been a faint nearby star that exploded.

"But whatever it was, we are probably close to being able to identify the Star of Bethlehem," he says. "If it was a nova, the tell-tale cloud of hydrogen gas that it ejected is probably still just detectable, and will one day give the star away."

My reply

Thanks for sending me this information. I am very interested in the star of Bethlehem.

> the Nativity may well have taken place at some time in March or April

I don't think so. According to Hos. 6:3, it was at the time of the former rain, Tishri 1.

> shepherds were watching their flocks at night, he notes, something that
> takes place at lambing-time in the spring

They were watching their flocks in the fields at night in September too.

> Moreover if the local inns were full

They would have been full at the Feast of Trumpets.

> Kidger thus concludes that Christ was born some time around March in 5 BC

I pick Tishri 1, in BC 5, but think the wise men probably visited in BC 3. Herod had the male children 2 and under killed in Bethlehem.

> More plausible...that what the Magi saw was a planetary conjunction

I don't think a conjunction would have been unusual enough to have caused a dangerous 4-month trip with gold in their packs.

> occultation of Jupiter by the moon that occurred in 6 BC

Not usual enough in my book.

> his "best guess"...Kidger looks to an ancient Chinese chronicle called the
> Ch'ien-han-shu which states that an object, probably a nova, or new star,
> was observed in March in 5 BC and remained visible for 70 days.

That seems more likely.

> In 1925 a nova now known as DO Aquilae was seen very close to the position
> in the sky given by the Ch'ien-han-shu.

I have a 1973 edition of Norton's Star Atlas my granddaughter, Brandi, bought me at a garage sale last week end. It lists Novas in Aquilla in 1899, 1905, 1918, and two in 1936. We had another Dec. 1, 1999. Since Aquilla represents Christ, and new stars are more rare than conjuctions, I could accept that as being rare enough to send the wise men on their trip.

However, a new star in VIRGO or LEO would really get my interest. The Sun is in VIRGO from Aug 23-Sept 22 and in LEO July 23-Aug 22.

Nu. 24:17 says, "there shall come a Star out of Jacob (Judah), and a Sceptre (King) shall rise out of Israel." Judah's sign was LEO, and Jesus is "the Lion of the tribe of Juda" (Rev. 5:5). LEO represents Christ as King, and the wise men came to see the "KING of the Jews" (Mt. 2:2).

Other things to consider are that the wise men did not arrive until the Christ child was in a house and Herod had the male children 2 and under killed in Bethlehem. The wise men could have visited in BC 3. There was a lunar eclipse on Jan. 10, BC 1, after which Herod could have died.

The lion was on Judah's banner on the EAST side of the Tabernacle. The wise men saw His star in the east. I think it most likely that a new star appeared in LEO.

Nu. 24:17 says, "there shall come a STAR out of Jacob (Judah), and a Sceptre (King) shall rise out of Israel." Jesus is "the Lion of the tribe of Juda" (Rev. 5:5). LEO represents Christ as King. Agape

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Re: 70AD Temple
I am trying to find in what month was the temple destroyed? Was it during the feast of the Trumpet? do you know? If not, any suggestions of where I might find this information? Thank You

My reply

The fire was started on the premises on Av 9, and it burned the temple Av 10, anniversary of the burning of Solomon's temple (Jer. 52:12).

Josephus said, "This fire prevailed during that day and the next also; for the soldiers were not able to burn all the cloisters that were round about together at one time, but only by pieces.

"3. But then on the next day, Titus commanded part of his army to quench the fire..."

"5. So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the temple the next day...but, as for that house, God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages: it was the tenth day of the month Lous, [Ab] upon which it was formerly burnt by the king of Babylon...one of the soldiers...snatched somewhat out of the materials that were on fire, and being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window, through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round about the holy house, on the north side of it"

Titus was notified and tried to stop it, to no avail. While he was trying, "the flame burst out from within the holy house itself immediately...and thus was the holy house burnt down, without Caesar's approbation" (Wars VI. IV. 2-7). Agape

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I have been thoroughly engrossed in reading your material I saw that you had listed a chronology of end-time events

Till I saw this I beleived with all my heart in the accuracy of what you were sharing and now you as many others before you have missed the mark please let me hear your explanation of why the church was not raptured on Pentacost 1999. Thx

My reply

I went back and changed it to Pentecost, 2000, but the date that it was updated was 10-12-98. You do need to watch those dates to see how up to date the information is. My home page explains why I think it will be Pentecost, 2000.

From 1968 to 1998, I thought the Rapture would be on Pentecost, 1998. When it wasn't, I hoped for Pentecost, 1999. Now, I am hoping for Pentecost, 2000. You can read the files that explain my reasons at:

http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/pentecost1998.html
http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html
http://www.pe.net/~mjagee

Read the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. In it, Jesus only comes and speaks in the third year. He only came and looked the first two years and does not do either in the extra year. At Sinai, they were to wash their clothes and be ready against the third day. Maybe the third year will turn out to be the correct one for the Rapture.

I think the seven good years started when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. I think the Rapture has to take place in the seven good years. The seven bad years are the Tribulation. The Rapture can't be far away, no matter how you figure it.

The important thing is to be ready. We have to be wise virgins to be caught up in the first Rapture. The foolish virgins do not have enough oil of the Holy Spirit. We need to use I John 1:9, confess our sins so the Lord can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Agape

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Re: SOHO images: SUN EXPLOSION
Here is something interesting I found at this website:
http://www.upway.com/cgi-bin/forum03.cgi?fn=945830641&topic_page=945830641&topic=Kinda+Interesting+Sun+Event+12/20&msgdate=9912
Kinda Interesting Sun Event 12/20
Late last night I was checking out the SOHO images and saw something like a streak of light at 1606hrs come from the top of the frame and go directly into the top of the sun followed by an explosion. I couldn't figure out how to cut and paste the real time movie so I sent the info over to another site and he did it up. It's kinda cool if your interested in this stuff. Look towards the top and you'll see whatever it is streak down and then Kaboom! http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/sun/bizaesun.gif dtak@yahoo.com

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Thanks for this information. This picture is different than other SOHO images I have seen. (I was lucky and saw the ones when the two comets hit the sun.) We are to have signs in the sun, moon and stars. Nova Aquilla was found Dec. 1, 1999. In AQUILLA is the star DENEB (THE LORD OR JUDGE COMETH).

The bright big full moon tonight, Dec. 21/22, is absolutely spectacular. I have never seen it this bright before. This full moon takes place on the winter solstice when the moon is at perigee, closest to Earth. A full moon on the winter solstice only takes place every 133 years.

The chances of all three events happening close together is not that rare. They did in 1980 and 1991. However, those were not so spectacular. This time all three events take place within 10 hours of one another, unmatched in the last 150 years. In 1980 and 1991, the spread was close to 24 hours. Just considering the fullness of the moon alone makes this time special. The last time it was this full was Jan. 15, 1930. The next time will be Dec. 6, 2052. We are priviledged to see this.

When the Lord set these wheels in motion, he knew when the orbits of the Sun, Moon and Earth would bring them to this point. I think he arranged it deliberately to encourage us as we await the coming of the Lord. First, the Moon was found to have a large sodium tail reaching all the way to Earth. Now, this spectacular full moon, another sign in the Sun, and the new star, all in December. This rounds out the eventful year that started with the huge gamma ray burster in the shepherd's crook in BOOTES (TO COME) on Jan. 23 and continued to amaze us with Nova Velorum in the reefed sails of the ship ARGO (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS) on May 22.

It looks like we will soon be seated together with the Lord in heavenly places. The Sun is in GEMINI (Heb., THAUMIN, THE UNITED, as the completion of a betrothal) from May 21 to June 21. Agape

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There are a few things about your site that confuse me. First of all, I'm not a religious man and don't believe that anything is going to happen in the next decade or so, but your site got me to thinking about why I'm a nonbeliever. First ... your site mentioned Satan being expelled from heaven ... didn't that already happen? And Moses and Elijah? They've been dead for a few thousand years ... unless you wanted me to believe that they would be reborn and it would be a showdown like in the movies. Anyway... I didn't mean to cause you any disrespect or anger ... just would like to hear some explanation. Thank you for your time.

My reply

I am sad for you. You have not availed yourself of God's free offer of being saved from having to die for your own sins. He will save you from hell and give you eternal life if you only accept Christ as your own personal Saviour. Jesus paid the ultimate price for you, but it will not apply to you unless you exercise your will and make a definite decision to accept Him. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. What is holding you back?

The angels were tested before man was created. One third of them failed to obey God, and they could see God. It seems that they were judged and sentenced to their prison, but Satan appealed the sentence. Man was probably created to prove that if a less powerful creature that could not see God could still obey Him, God would be proved just in putting the fallen angels in their prison.

You are without excuse, for the things of God can be understood by the things that he has created. Start with your body. It is way way too intricate to have happened by chance. Apart from the miles and miles of electrical wiring, blood vessels and muscle fibers, it has a brain that can think, a mouth that can talk, eyes that can see, ears that can hear, bones to not only support it but allow it to move, chemical factories and a built in doctor that knows what to do to heal a variety of damaged parts. If man can't make a man, chance can't make a man.

> Satan being expelled from heaven...didn't that already happen?

Satan is still allowed in Heaven to accuse us of our sins before God. Job 1:6-8 is an example of Satan talking with God in Heaven. It says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels, each individually created by God) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou: Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

Satan says that we deserve to die for we have sinned. And that is true. We do deserve to die for our sins. However, since God is testing us, he gave us a manual so we have a chance to pass our test.

In it, we find Romans 6:23, "the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." We find out "that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Corinthians 5:19). We find "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10).

In Revelation 12:7-9, we find that in the middle of a seven-year period of trial that is to come upon the entire world, "there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fougnt against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Heaven is cleased first, then the Earth.

> Moses and Elijah? They've been dead for a few thousand years

Moses died, but Elijah was caught up to Heaven without having to die. Man's body may die, but the real person that believes in the Lord does not die. He/she is transferred to Heaven. Both Moses and Elijah will be alive again on Earth for 1260 days preceding Satan's being cast out of Heaven and down to the Earth in the middle of the Tribulation. Revelation 11:3 says, "I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." In Zechariah 4, a candlestick and two olive trees are described. "What are these two olive trees...These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." In Matthew 17:1-5, Jesus was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them MOSES AND ELIAS talking with him." The two olive trees in Revelation 11 are MOSES AND ELIAS. They were seen standing "by the Lord of the whole earth." The Bible interprets itself.

When Satan is cast down to the Earth in the middle of the Tribulation, he will enter into the False Prophet, sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thessalonians 2:4), and demand worship. Moses and Elijah (Elias from the Greek) will not bow down to him nor to his image. He has them killed. After "three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city (Jerusalem) fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand, and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven" (Revelation 11:12,13).

If you have not accepted Christ before this time, I hope when you see this come true that you will accept Him then. But, why wait till then? Why not do it now? It is a free gift.

God loves you and has provided a way for you to be saved. Will you take his gift?

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Re: Your Website
where do you get this from? it sounds so far fetched that i can bet you that not a single one of your predictions actually happens. what exactly was the point of this?

My reply

The point is that I have studied the Bible as deep as I can go ever since about 1960. Early in my studies, I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said publish and conceal not. That is the point of this. I am doing exactly what I think the Lord wants me to do. I have written three books and this extensive Web site is dedicated to Christ and his work on Earth. If I can be of help to you, just let me know. God loves you.

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Re: New Gamma Ray Burst
Merry Christmas! Thought you might want to check out this link:
http://spacescience.com/newhome/headlines/ast22dec99_1.htm

My reply

Thanks. It is GRB991216, seen on Dec. 16. They didn't say what constellation it is in. It is at 77.38 Right Ascension and 11.30 Declination. I think that is in Orion, but I sent an email to the address at the bottom and asked. I would like to be sure I'm figuring it right.

ORION is the first decan of TAURUS. ORION, in Hebrew, means ONE COMING FORTH AS LIGHT. The Arabs called him AL MIZAM (THE PRINCE, THE RULER) or AL NAGJED (THE PRINCE, THE WOUNDED). In Accadian, he is URANA (THE LIGHT OF HEAVEN). He represents Christ. The star BETELGUEZ means THE COMING OF THE BRANCH. The star BELLATRIX means QUICKLY COMING.

That would be a good place for it to be. Agape

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Could Gog and MaGog be Russia and Chenya? Just asking.

My reply

Gog is the leader, Magog the land. All I know is that they attack from the north and Moscow is due north of Jerusalem. All nations are represented in the army (Zech. 14:2).

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