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Uploaded 12-31-99

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> Hi: From Marilyn
> I was thinking about you, wondering if you could tell me if the GRB991216 (77.38 Right
> Ascension, 11.30 Declination) is in Orion a little way below Aldebaran, the eye of
> Taurus. I am no expert on figuring Right Ascension and Declination, but I tried. It
> might be just inside the head and skin of the roaring lion that Orion is holding up
> in his left hand as a trophy, or it might just miss it. I can't tell for sure. However,
> if it is where I think it is, this eye of Taurus seems to be looking at it.

Hi! From Finland
Never tried this kind of trick before, but yes (the way of giving these figures was somewhat different) the software zoomed to space. The Mystars program unfortunately does not have the original (pre 1928) "picture" of constellations, but stick lines. But it did zoom to Orion (near ori(on)18)

The nearby bigger stars are: Meissa ("southwest") Bellatrix ("south") Aldebaran ("Northeast") on Taurus side of the "stick border line" I quess it is where you think it is.

My reply

I sure appreciate your checking it for me. In Taurus, Aldebaran means the Captain, Leader or Governor. In Orion, Betelguese means The Branch coming. Bellatrix means swiftly coming. That is good news. Christ comes swiftly at the Rapture, and the next sign is Gemini, when the Bride will be seated together with the Bridegroom in heavenly places.

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Re: Comfort needed:
The reason I am writing is what I am reading in some places.  I know you are limited on time and I will not flood you with links and text.  I would like for you to read just one link and let me know what you think.  It is something that is frightening to read.  Please if you have time, let me know what you think of this.  Please tell me something that can make me feel better and possibly see that this person is incorrect in what they believe will be happening very soon.  I have to admit that as far as the events in the world goes, their seems to be strong evidence to support it.  The part about the rapture is something I am confused on.  I won't explain because you can read that for yourself.  I just really need to hear something and read some scriptures that can make me feel better about this.  Can you help me?

  Here is the link.  Thank you very much.
http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-MartialLaw.htm

My reply

Up front, know that I disagree with Ken Raggio on several things. Relax and keep Mt. 24:6 in mind. Jesus said, "ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: SEE THAT YE BE NOT TROUBLED: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Here is the way I see it. Before "THE END" comes, the Pre-Trib Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18 will come, the covenant of Dan. 9:27 will be confirmed, and the world government will have the Beast at the helm. This end is the latter part of the 7-year Tribulation, the Great Tribulation. It starts Mid-Trib with the abomination of desolation placed at the temple. It ends with the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals (Rev. 7:14).

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. No fire fell. The second Rapture is as the days of Lot, when fire fell that same day (Lu. 17:26-31). Noah had a 7-day warning (Gen. 7:4). Lot only knew the evening before he was brought out of Sodom. If the Rapture takes place in 2000, we had a 7-year warning. The Oslo Accords that kicked off the 7 good years were signed Sept. 13, 1993 (1993 + 7 = 2000). It looks like the seven bad years end on Sept. 13, 2007. That is the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.

Ken Raggio said,
> > "Jesus, in Luke 21:
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (KJV)

> > Note that "distress of nations" etc, comes BEFORE the rapture of the church. You and I WILL SEE these things!"> >

How Ken could quote verse 28, "when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh," and then turn right around and say that "You and I WILL SEE these things!", is hard to understand. I have faith that "when these things BEGIN to come to pass," we will be Raptured. My Lord is able to do what he says he will do. I think we have been seeing signs in the sun, moon and stars and therefore, the Rapture is drawing nigh. This year alone, we have had two new stars, the huge gamma ray burster in the shepherd's crook of Bootes, an object hit the sun and caused a big explosion, and not only did we find out that the moon has a sodium tail that reaches to Earth, it was the brightest full moon Dec. 21 and 22 in 133 years. For good measure, we had two other GRBs.

Ken also said,
> > "TRIBULATION IS COMING
1. It is scriptural
2. It is inevitable.
3. Saints will go through it.
4. God will strenghten us in that hour....

> > HOW CAN WE PREPARE?
1. Come to grips with the fact that the Bible says the saints will go through the tribulation.> >

I don't believe the wise virgins and Philadelphians will go through the Tribulation, only the Laodiceans and foolish virgins. Ken says that we can't go by the elders in Heaven in Rev. 4 and 5. I wonder if he ever noticed that Rev. 5:9 shows a group "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" in Heaven with the 24 elders. They are singing "a new song" right after the Pre-Trib Rapture. John is caught up in Rev. 4:1. He is one of the 24 elders. So is Peter and the rest of the apostles. When do you think they got there? At the Pre-Trib Rapture, when John got there. At that time, the first seal has not even been broken yet. The Tribulation has not yet begun. That happens in Rev. 6.

Ken says to prepare for the Tribulation, but the Bible has no instructions for how we should prepare for the Tribulation. Wonder why? Can you see that God knows something about this situation that Ken doesn't understand?

Ken doesn't understand the Pre-Trib Rapture and thinks the Pre-Wrath Rapture is the only Rapture there is. To him the following quote from his Web site settles the issue forever right off the bat. He declares, "There will be NO resurrection before the Mark of the Beast." He must be very sure that the Mark of the Beast is required before Moses and Elijah are resurrected and ascend to Heaven. I think there are only 3 1/2 days between his coming to power and their resurrection (Rev. 11:11). He will have to hurry.

This points up the danger of taking one Scripture and building a doctrine on it. Every verse must be compared with the whole Bible for proper understanding. II Peter 1:20 warns, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." One part must be understood in the light of the whole. Here is what Ken said:
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> > This is the FIRST resurrection:
Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

> > Do you realize what this verse tells us? The FIRST resurrection includes the saints who were beheaded in the Tribulation for the witness of Jesus, who had NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads.

> > So, if you think you will be in the rapture before the Mark of the Beast, you had better find a scripture to countermand this one! (Give up now.)

> > The FIRST RESURRECTION/ RAPTURE is after the Mark of the Beast!! This is the very same event that Paul announced in I Thessalonians 4:16-17, when "the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

> > There will be NO resurrection before the Mark of the Beast.> >
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Ken seems to have missed I Cor. 15:22,33. It says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. BUT every man IN HIS OWN ORDER (tagmati, rank); Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

There are ranks in the first resurrection. It started with Christ's resurrection. Rev. 20:4 is talking about the time when the last rank of the first resurrection is in Heaven. The Old Testament saints who came out of their graves after Christ's resurrection were the second rank of the first resurrection. Christ was the first. He took those OT saints to Heaven after his own resurrection and returned that same day. That is why he could not be touched early in the morning and could be touched later on that day. In John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene, "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father."

Christ will catch up the wise Philadelphian virgins when he comes in the air. He will catch up the foolish Laodicean virgins and the rest of the Tribulation saints when the smoky atmosphere rolls away like a scroll and man sees the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14-17). That will be just before the wrath of God falls on unbelievers. They will say "to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:16,17).

The Tribulation is Israel's 5th cycle of discipline. Lev. 26:27,28 says, "if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins." Do you think the Lord will chastise us seven times for our sins if they are all under the blood of Christ? I don't think so. He didn't have any words of condemnation for the Philadelphians, but he told the lukewarm Laodiceans, "As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Even the OT teaches that the righteous are taken away FROM the evil to come, then the harlot MYSTERY BABYLON draws near. Isa. 57:1-3 says, "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY, none considering that the righteous is taken away FROM the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore."

We see this in the NT in Rev. 3:10,11. Jesus tells the Philadelphians, "Because thou hast KEPT the word of my patience, I also will KEEP THEE FROM the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come (after that) upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (the Rapture): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." In Rev. 22:20, Jesus signs off with, "Surely I come quickly." The group seen in Heaven before the first seal is broken are kings and priests (Rev. 5:9,10). They have crowns. No crowns are mentioned for the Tribulation saints (Rev. 7:14) that are caught up between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals.

On the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14), two groups are gathered, one from Heaven, the other from Earth. The group in Heaven was caught up before the Tribulation. The group caught up from Earth this day are the Tribulation saints. Mk. 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

PS: Does Gal. 1:3,4 help paint a clearer picture? It says, "our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might DELIVER (exAIReo, TO TAKE UP OUT OF) us FROM this present EVIL world."

For an example, how about Acts 7:9,10: "the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, And DELIVERED (exAIReo, TO TAKE UP OUT OF) him out of ALL his AFFLICTIONS (tribulations)."

Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The word for escape is EKPHEUGO, "escape OUT OF or AWAY FROM." We get our word EXIT from the prefix, "EK." Strong's gives "vanish" as an alternate meaning for EKPHEUGO. From ESCAPE to VANISH, not the slightest hint of "survive through."

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I have heard Hal Lindsey say that the beast is alive and living on earth, and he is a man, his age is in the forties, and may not know he is the beast. How did Hal come to this possible conclusion?

My reply

I don't know. The Beast is the first one of Rev. 13. If I were guessing, I'd say he was called the ancient and honorable by men and might be 79 years old.

Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The false prophet is both the 7th head and the tail of the great red dragon, for he is Satan possessed.

When the curse strikes the Earth, Zech. 5:4 says, "I will bring it (the asteroid) forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

I don't think the False Prophet will live out half his days. Psa. 55:23 says, "But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days." The first man will come in peacefully. The second one will come in killing Moses and Elijah then waging war on the messianic Jews.

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i am really serious about the rapture and have been trying to understand it but i haven't got the idea of the whole 7 trumpet thing? can you offer any help?

My reply

Here is the way I see it. The Pre-Trib Rapture takes place first (I Thess. 4:13-18). It is as the days of Noah. The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire falls the same day (Lu. 17:26-31).

The 7 seals are broken about one a year during the Tribulation. The first one is broken as it begins. The Beast comes to power. The 4th is Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet comes to power.

Since the Tribulation is shortened, the sixth seal is opened on the last day of this age, and the seventh is broken the very next day, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. After the 6th seal and just before the 7th seal is broken, the Pre-wrath Rapture takes place (I Cor. 15:51,52).

When the 7th seal is broken, the Day of God's Wrath, Jesus' Long Day, has begun. Out of the 7th seal come the seven trumpets, which will strike Earth in quick succession. Just before the first trumpet, a censer is filled with "fire of the altar" and cast "into the earth" (Rev. 8:5). Thus the doomsday binary asteroid is on its way. It breaks apart at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out, and releases a hail of smaller rocks. As the 1st trumpet sounds, the small burning rocks hit Earth. A third of the trees and "all green grass is burnt up" (Rev. 8:7).

Now it is noon. As the 2nd trumpet sounds, "a great mountain burning with fire" hits the Mediterranean Sea. One third of the creatures die. One third of the ships are destroyed (Rev. 8:8,9). The invading army of Eze. 38 is stopped. Only 1/6th are still alive (Eze. 39:2). "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (Zeph. 2:4,5).

When "Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD...my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day (Sept. 13, 2007) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth (worldwide earthquake), shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground...and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD." (Eze. 38:18-20,23). The doubting Thomases will believe in that day. They will say "My Lord and my God."

The unsaved will say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE of him that sitteth on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:16,17).

As the 3rd trumpet sounds, "a great star (aster, star, asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp," falls and wipes Babylon off the map. "When he (the False Prophet) is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating" (Job 20:23).

Zeph. 2:2,3 issues a warning. "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."

As the 4th trumpet sounds, the smoke from the asteroid impacts obscure a third of the sun, moon and stars. The last 3 trumpets are tales of WOE! WOE! WOE! As the 5th trumpet sounds, we see that the "star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" that Satan lived on opens the bottomless pit. The Lake of Fire is formed. Demons are temporarily released from their prison to torment men for the following 5 months. As the 6th trumpet sounds, four angels are loosed to "slay the third part of men" (Rev. 9:15). When the 7th trumpet sounds, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev. 11:15).

After the 7th trumpet, the 7 vials of God's wrath still destroy on Earth. Where 1/3rd of things that had life in the Mediterranean Sea died immediately, by the time of the 2nd vial, "every living soul died in the sea."

The 7 trumpets are the immediate effects of the asteroid impacts. They all take place in one day. The 7 vials are the total destruction over a space of time.

Hope this helps.

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Re: the sixth day and seventh day
The six years of Athaliah's reign were six years of usurpation of the throne of David. Athaliah slew all the seed royal, as she thought; but God in his providence over-ruled events so that one son, Joash,was rescued from among the King's sons that were slain. He was hid in the house of God during the six years with Jehosheba, who was shut up with him, her affections being centred upon him, while Jehoiada her husband was occupied for the King, going about and securing loyal adherents by his simple repetition of Jehovah's promise, Behold, the King's son shall reign, as the Lord hath said of the sons of David. This promise was the support of the hearts of the faithful during those six years of usurpation, until the seventh year came, and Joash was manifested upon his throne and all his enemies destroyed. Which things are a type of the King's son, even Jesus, who was rescued by resurrection from the dead and is seated and expecting, all who are in Christ are hid with him and while, in this aspect, their hearts (like Jehosheba's) are occupied with the person of the King, their activities (like Jehoiade's) are going out for him, witnessing and testifying to the blessed truth that the King is coming again and will surely reign, and the seventh year of blessing will come at last. Until that moment arrives, the promise of Jehovah will be their support, that the seed of the woman shall in due time crush the serpent's head.

My reply

Thanks. Now we are the ones going out for him, witnessing and testifying to the blessed truth that the King is coming again and will surely reign. I hope our seventh year of blessing will come at last in 2000.

Have a great year. Agape

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Re: Help Urgent
Hey. My name is ---- I am 17 years old. I hope you can help me with this dilema I am in. Well i was bored one day and i was looking for someone to talk to on the internet. So I found this woman and we got to talkin. We seemed to hit it off so we kept on talkin for like 3 days. Then our discussion got into Christ. And she started to tell me about the rapture. I got freaked out. I do have a strrong catholic background and evrything but this was scary. I did some not so good stuff when i was little. Anyway she was sayin that i had to be saved. Well i don't know if i am. I mean i followed everything the catholic faith taught me and i I was confirmed. I try to do everything that would bring me closer to God. But when the time comes i wannna know if i will be chosen to be with God. I did promise to reject satan and everything he has to offer. But please nform me more on the rapture and what it will be like and how to find out if i am saved. I am really scared right now. So please help me. Sincerely

My reply

> she was sayin that i had to be saved. Well i don't know if i am.

I don't blame you for being scared. The coming of the Lord is so near, it is high time to remove all doubt. No church will save you. Only Christ can do that. If I were you, I would pray and tell God that you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Romans 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

> i wannna know if i will be chosen to be with God.

Those with Christ, "Lord of lords, and King of kings," at the time of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture are "CALLED, and CHOSEN, and FAITHFUL" (Rev. 17:14). We are all CALLED. The Lord wants all to be saved. We must do something on our part to be CHOSEN at the time that Christ comes to take us to Heaven to keep us from having to endure chastisement during the seven-year Tribulation. We must exercise our wills, accept Christ and be FAITHFUL.

When you first accept Christ, every past sin you ever committed is wiped off the books. You get a fresh start. When you sin after that, you need to use I John 1:9, confess that sin in prayer straight to God. He is faithful and just to cleanse you of all unrighteousness when you do that. Here is what that Scripture says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Two verses before that says, "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." If we are clean, with all our sins covered by the blood of Christ, our Saviour that died to take the punishment we deserved, we will be CHOSEN. We will be wise virgins, filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit, ready to go with Christ, the Bridegroom, when he comes.

In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins in Mt. 25:1-12, all ten had lamps. In other words, they were all saved, having all accepted Christ and called him Lord. Both oil and living water are symbols of the Holy Spirit of God, and only 5 virgins had enough extra oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels (i.e., bodies). If we are counted all righteous, with no unconfessed sin in our lives, the Holy Spirit will be as a fountain of living water welling up within us. We will have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to keep our lamps burning brightly when the Bridegroom comes to take us to HIS PLACE in Heaven so we don't have to go through the worst 7 years since there was a nation.

> please nform me more on the rapture

Here is the scripture that explains it. I Thess. 4:13-18 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (the dead who believe in Christ), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him (they are with him in Heaven now). For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (the Rapture) shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first (they will get their resurrection bodies): Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (He will take us to HIS PLACE in Heaven.) Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

I am hoping the Rapture will take place on Pentecost in 2000. That will be in early June, probably on June 9 or 10.

I would appreciate hearing from you again.

God loves you, and I love you in His wonderful agape love. God bless you. Sincerely

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