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Re: "SPACE TO REPENT"
I enjoyed your "New" update of your homepage. Repentance, repentance, and repentance is needed in this final hour! You are all simply but amazing to me at your efforts to "PUBLISH" what the Spirit says for you to publish. Those of us who have become to know your hard labors while sharing your "fruits" have much to emulate. Thank you, thank you, and thank you. You are truly an inspiration for all readers that follow and know Christ. I pray often that those e-mail persons that "stumble" across your web sight would spend the time and read your works found in your index to your home page, your books, or, at least some of your ProCons found therein before writing their e-mails. Of course I am only referring to those high minded and self proclaimed Christians with unfallowed hearts! God remains on the throne because we all learn not by their own ignorance and arrogance, but by Marilyn's Christ-like choices she makes in dealing with these situations. God bless you Marilyn!

...In conclusion, I want to share with you and Ed with what the spirit says in MALACHI 3:16-18, 4:1-3 (KJV). Paraphrased: We are jewels to be delivered (from fire) and (later returned to earth) to discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. We shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes (after they become stubble and burned up) under the soles of our feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. The best part I liked was when we "shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall". God sure knows how to have a plan of redemption while even telling us before hand! It is marvelous in my eyes! Agape

My reply

Wow! Thanks for those kudos...The Home Page wasn't 100% ready to UL, but when I finally got online at 12:12 PM Sat., I put it and P & C 443 up fast anyway. I hadn't been able to get online since the wee hours last Mon. morning. I was glad I did because it was 8:03 PM before I was able to get back on to UL to the mirror sites. At that time I corrected a few things and got the mirrors up as well. Today, Sun., I was not able to get online until after 5 PM....

I want to proof the Home Page and add a few things. These come to mind.

When Joseph was in Egypt, there were 7 good years and 7 bad years. It seems obvious that the bad years represent the Tribulation and the good years the 7 years preceding the Tribulation.

Two sets of 7 years also appeared when Jacob (which means supplanter, or substitute for) served 7 years for Leah (languid) and then another 7 for Rachel (an ewe sheep). That fits the typology of the first Rapture at the end of the 7 good years and the second Rapture at the end of the 7 bad years.

John, the disciple whom Jesus loved, is a good type of the Bride. He is caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1, before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. Agape

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Re: Are you OK?
I know you are receiving lots of inquires by now, but with all the flu going around, I'm concerned about you. Are you OK? Haven't posted anything since the 9th and it's the 15th now. I love you and I'm praying for you. If you need more specific prayer let (ALL OF) us know.

My reply

We are ok. Thank you for your prayers. Time before last, when Ed had blood work done, his kidneys were showing the effects of his Diabetes. On a recheck the 12th, kidney function was normal again. I had been praying for that. Thank you Lord. He also walked faster at the mall when I had thought he had hit his limit.

The problem has been that I just could not get online from the wee hours Monday morning till today, Saturday, at 12:12 PM....

I take it that you could access pe when I could not. That is strange too. When they were down for a week previously, no one could access my Web Page either.

The Home Page is new. Be sure to read it. Agape

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I have a question about heaven being on the planet Saturn? How can that be when the surface is over 200 degrees. Where did you come up with this conclusion? Thank you

My reply

How could the surface be over 200 degrees? Saturn is a lot farther from the Sun than Earth is. It has been found to radiate more heat than it receives from the Sun though, something astronomers are at a loss to explain. God knows more about it than we do.

Paradise is the "third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2-4), (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, (3) Saturn.

Heaven has "a rainbow round about" (Rev. 4:3), "brightness round about" (Eze. 1:27,28). In other words, it has rings around it. This is why the Lord told Noah, "I do set MY BOW in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth" (Gen. 9:13).

When Moses "saw the God of Israel" on Mt. Sinai, which represented Heaven, "there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, glory)" (Ex. 24:10). Sapphire is a symbol that reveals where Heaven is. Sapphire is from the Sanskrit sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther from the Sun than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it."

Heaven is visible with the naked eye. It is third in brightness of the planets, Venus, Jupiter and then Saturn. Look for it in Aries now. Heaven has golden clouds. In the Septuagint, the Greek scriptures used in Jesus' time, Job 36:32; 37:3; and 37:18-22 makes this clear. It says, "He has hidden the light in his hands, and given charge concerning it to the interposing cloud...His dominion is under the whole heaven, and his light is at the extremities of the earth" (so his light reaches Earth).

"Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens?...But the light is not visible to all (then it is visible to some); it shines afar off in the heavens, as that which is from him in the clouds. From the north (upward) come the CLOUDS SHINING LIKE GOLD: in these great are the glory and honour of the Almighty."

Psa. 89:36,37 speaks of David's seed, which is Christ. "His seed shall endure for ever, and HIS THRONE AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness (and therefore visible) in heaven." In Psa. 78:69, we find that the Lord "built his sanctuary (tabernacle) like high palaces (planets), LIKE THE EARTH" (a planet). We can tell by these that Christ, "the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8), has his throne on a sphere in our solar system, for the Sun, Moon and Earth are all spheres in this solar system.

The ten widths of fabric that were put together to make the covering over the Tabernacle each represented the 10 original planets, (1) Mercury, (2) Venus, (3) Earth, (4) Mars, (5) Satan's planet Rahab that split apart and is now our Asteroid Belt, (6) Jupiter, (7) Saturn, (8) Uranus, (9) Neptune, and (10) Pluto. Cherubim represent planets, and there were cherubim embroidered on each width of fabric.

According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the 7-branched candlestick represented the Sun and planets we have now out to Saturn--(1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. (Ant. III. VII. 7).

Zech. 3:9 in the Septuagint says, "as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs)." It is perfect. It is the 7th original planet, and it has 7 rings. The number 7 in God's number of perfection too.

For more information, see http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/hf.html
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Hi my name is --- and I am a 40 yrs old Chinese from Singapore. I stumbled upon your site many months ago and has been following your studies. It is indeed very addictive. I find myself constantly drawn to read the many interesting discussion. I have known the Lord for more than 20 years and lately has been feeling very worn down by work and family. My christian life took a tumble until I read what you have written on the Rapture. It caused me to stand back and take a hard look at my surroundings and count my blessings. I resume my devotion and now I felt excited - like a new born again! I'm really very tired of this world and its suffering. I've read in the news of so many catastrophe and war and it pains me tremendously. The school system here is giving my primary school children unnecessary stress and parental pressure! It gives me a wonderful feeling to be able to tell my children of the coming Rapture.

Oh how I looked forward to the coming of the Lord to end mankind sufferings. Imagine no more wars, hunger or sickness. I want to thank the Lord for guiding me to your site. Marilyn, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and studies of the Bible with me and everyone else. Please pray for me and my family. May the blessings of God be with you. Agape.

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. Father, please bless this family in every way. Guide each one as they go through each day. Help them to draw ever closer to you. Help each one of them to be worthy of being caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. In Jesus' wonderful name, Amen.

We definitely want to be worthy of being caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. To be sure we are saved, we must accept Christ--nothing else. However, to be sure that we are worthy of the first Rapture, we not only must make a decision to accept Christ as our Saviour, we should confess any sins committed since we accepted Christ. This will bring them under to blood of Christ too. Jesus told Peter He must wash his feet and then he would be all clean. That is why I John 1:9 is so important in our days. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I take this to mean that if we confess known sins, he will cleanse us from unknown sins.

Luke 21:36 is such good advise. It says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."...Agape

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Re: The 144,000 sealed witnesses?
Thank you! Those Scriptures gave me a lot of comfort. I am learning to be a watchman and I have a greater hope that the rapture is very soon. My mother passed away this Christmas Eve (12/24/99) She had been in a Alzheimer's facility for one and a half years. She was 79 years young. She was sent to the emergency room with what they thought was a light stroke. When I got to the emergency room, I found that her mind was very sharp. She talked to us for a while and then looked over my shoulder and said "No! Get away! Don't let them hurt you!" I turned around and there was nothing there but I knew she saw something and I began to pray for God to protect us and to send His holy angles. Then she began to yell out very loud "I am dying" not in fear but like an announcement and everyone in the emergency room could hear her. I went to the nurses twice and told them that my Mom was saying that she was dying but both times they said ,"No she is not dying, her coloring is good and her vitals are normal". She then began to call out very loud "Jesus" and she said," Jesus forgive me", "Jesus hold me", she said "I see Him". My 12 yr. old daughter began to shake, and I told her if this was making her nervous, she should go out of the room but she said, " Mom, I am not nervous, I feel Jesus, He's here!" I feel Him here in this room", We all felt a peace and a presence that can't be explained. My Mom said she could see my Dad and her Mother. She was looking past us like she could see something we could not. She looked us right in the eyes and said to each of us "Bye" and laid down like she was falling asleep. She then sat straight up and looked out like she saw something wonderful and looked at me as if to say "look at that isn't it beautiful" she laid back down and my 12 yr. old daughter walked over to her and said bye Grandma I love you and she waved her hand as if to say good bye she breathed her last breath and passed away peacefully in her sleep. Right after this the nurse walked in and I told her that my Mom didn't have a pulse and she said," Oh no she is okay she probably unhooked her monitor". Soon Doctors and nurses were running from everywhere. They worked on her for an hour but but they couldn't start her heart. They were crying and apologized to us. I told them that my Mom went home to be with the Lord. They said our faith really blessed them. I have heard about things like this happening but I was blessed to witness it on Christmas Eve. I will miss her but I feel that God gave me the best Christmas gift ever. I got to be there to see my Mom leave this world and go be with the Lord. In an instant my Mom had her mind back and her body is now free from Alzheimers, sickness,and disease, and she shall forever be with the Lord. I and know that soon the Lord will rapture us and we will see Jesus and my Mom and all our family soon. The Lord Bless You.

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. It is unfortunate that she didn't get the proper attention from the staff, but if her time had come, there probably wasn't anything that would have changed the course of events much. The Lord gives Christians what Bob Thieme calls dying grace. I think you saw it in action. Praise the Lord.

After my mom died, I slept at her house that night. When I was waking up, I heard her say, "Marilyn! there is no way I'm 84 years old."

At his funeral, Ed's mom saw her husband dressed up and looking great, wearing a whiter than white shirt and walking up over the grassy knoll. Strange things do happen.

As Christians, we know that people don't really die, that they only leave the physical body. Sometimes, when someone is leaving this life for another, the veil lifts just a bit and we get a little hint of what lies beyond. Clarity of mind is one of those things. Enhanced sight is another. We have a lot to look forward to no matter what happens here. This is not all there is. Agape

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Just wanted to thank you for such an informative website. As a fairly young Christian...4 1/2 years...I have found end time prophecy truly amazing!

Especially prophecy about the day we meet Jesus in the air! When I first learned about the 70 week prophecy in the book of Daniel, and the accuracy of God's timetable, it totally blew my mind! I mean it is right there, plain as day!

I keep asking myself..."why do others not see?" But I know that the Deceiver has blinded them. From one Baptist to another...God bless your ministry! ...and perhaps we will meet come June 2000...*S* In Christ Jesus...Our coming King...

My reply

Thank you. Jesus spoke of those that had ears, but didn't hear, and those that had eyes, but didn't see. Some people don't want to even look into it. I personally don't understand that mind set. I was born curious.

Prophecy, fulfilled down to the tiny details, is what drew me into deep Bible study in the first place. I figured that if even half the prophecies have already come true, then the other half are going to come true. God can be trusted. And Amos 3:7 says, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Jesus warned the lukewarm and blind Laodiceans in Rev. 3:14-22. Let's just hope many wake up in time. Because of the great multitude out of all nations that appear in Heaven between the sixth and seventh seals (Rev. 7:9,14), I think the blind will get jolted enough to wake them up. You know, whatever it takes to get them to wash their robes in the blood of Christ (confess their sins to bring them under the blood of Christ). Me, I want to learn my lessons the easy way, not the hard way. Agape

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Are you just a salesman and gifted writer, or do you truly believe all of this?

My reply

I truly believe what I say. I would be scared to death to say something that I knew to be wrong. I have too much respect for our holy God to not be totally truthful. A little reading of Israel's history will soon reveal the danger of not respecting God.

I have studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since about 1960. I learn more all the time. When I say something, that is according to my understanding at that moment in time. That is the best a human being can do. I am not a prophet. I can make mistakes. If I can see from Scripture that something is different than I thought, I immediately change my view. I have no pet theories to uphold. I just want to understand all that is in Scripture correctly, let the chips fall where they may.

The Bible is God breathed. It is the only rock hard truth we have to go by. It is our anchor to stabilize us on rough seas.

Jesus Christ is both God and man. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." He paid a steep price, death, to save us. If we accept him as our own personal Saviour, his perfect sacrifice atones for our past sins. They are wiped off the books, and we get a fresh start.

Romans 10:9,10 tells us how to be saved. It says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

After we accept Christ, when we sin, we should use I John 1:9, confess our sins to God so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. In Him

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I have seen a green meteor. They are all bright. They burn different colors depending on what they are made of. I saw it while flying at about 12,000 feet between Van Nuys and Bakersfield. I was over the Grapevine area so few lights and at my altitude the air was clear with over 100 miles visibility so it was easy to see. It made a pretty long streak. Didn't seem too big, but a long streak nevertheless.

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. I have only seen white ones, but now I can be sure that there are also green ones.

The biggest I ever saw still mystifies me. Instead of looking something like a comet with a tail that gets smaller and smaller, the very thick snow white line was the same thickness all the way. It was directly overhead and CLOSE. It seemed to be higher than the planes from nearby March Air Force Base practicing touch and goes, but it seemed closer than the Blue Angels fly in the air show. It suddenly burned out with no change in the width of the thick line that covered maybe a third of the sky. It was very different than the "shooting stars" that I have seen. That same night, I saw a short curving one off in the distance. Its head was larger than its tail. Agape

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I was wondering what would happen to those christains left behind to face the tribulation if some of them take the mark of the beast? Since there will be many left behind I would think there would be some or many who would give in to the Anitchrist. If salvation of the spirit is by the grace of God then they are still going to heaven since they believe right? Or is taking the mark of the beast an unforgivable sin erasing God's grace for them? Im confused. I hope my question makes sense. Thanks.

My reply

I can't go beyond what Scripture says. I personally don't think they would dare take it. Read Rev. 14:9-11. It says, "If ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of god,, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Agape

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I forgot to ask you about a book I picked up today. It is called "End Time Events" by Charles Capps. Have you read it and was it good? If so, is there anything I should look out for? I would like to know so I don't get confused. Since I have been reading your P&C's I try to be more careful with what I read.

Thank you for your dedication and hard work. I love your web site! In Christ Love

My reply

I haven't read it. I did hear Capps and J.R. Church on a video though. Capps sounds interesting. What got my attention was that man's days are as the days of a hireling. A hireling was to work 6 years and in the 7th go out free.

Job 7:1 says, "Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?" Then Exod 21:2 says, "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing." This sounds like the Rapture could be after the 6000 years of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil are over. It also could indicate the 7th of the 7 good years, which is the year 2000.

If you come to something you wonder about, email me about it and I'll give you my opinion.

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Thank you so much for sharing with me. I hadn't thought about it before now. But we all will live forever either with the Lord or with out Him. As I share about my Mom I hope those who have not made a decision for the Lord will be encouraged to do so by realizing that He is real and Loves and cares for each of us so much that He gave His life for us. I want to go back and study some of your back postings do you think I should start from #1 or do you have any suggestions as to where I should start?

The Lord continue to Bless you for all you do. In His Love

My reply

I would read the latest first and work backwards because I learn more as time goes on....I think we are in the "space to repent" of Rev. 2:21 now. It looks like the Body of Christ is echoing the literal body of Jesus. He started his special ministry at 30 and was resurrected and ascended to Heaven at 33.

The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of 1967. 1967 + 30 = 1997. 1997 + 3 = 2000. It seems to me that our "space to repent" and of special ministry is this 3-year period. It agrees with the 3 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. What do you think?

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FWD: First Lunar Eclipse of 2000
On Jan. 20, during the first full moon of the year, you may be surprised to see the moon's light fade away for nearly two hours....Because of good old-fashioned celestial motion, all of North America will experience a total lunar eclipse. A total eclipse of the moon is exciting to watch because our natural satellite does not completely disappear but glows an eerie shade of red. Its appearance, color and brightness depend on a number of factors, the most important being the polluted condition of our planet's atmosphere. This eclipse will be the first in nearly a decade that our atmosphere has not been contaminated with volcanic aerosols that spewed from the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991. With the atmosphere cleansed of volcanic pollutants, the eclipse on Jan. 20 will be important to meteorologists who study the conditions and health of the atmosphere. For most of us though, weather permitting, a total lunar eclipse is simply an awe-inspiring celestial event. We can enjoy it more if we watch for certain features. The moon will enter the penumbra, the light outer part of Earth's shadow, at 6:03 p.m. (Pacific Time) Sometime over the next hour, the first signs of shading will occur. Because the moon is high in the sky in January, it is very bright. This will make it harder to notice subtle darkening. Try wearing dark glasses to cut the glare. Watch for the moment when the moon enters the dark portion of the shadow, called the umbra. It should occur at 7:01 p.m. This is when the eclipse gets serious, and the moon starts to turn dark. If you own a telescope, pay attention to the edge of the shadow as it moves over the craters and mountains of the moon. Watch for interesting color changes. Totality, the time when the moon is completely immersed in Earth's dark shadow, will begin at 8:05 p.m. and last a whopping 77 minutes, which is longer than many lunar eclipses. Mideclipse occurs at 8:44 p.m. At 9:22 p.m., the moon will leave the umbra, the dark portion of the Earth's shadow, and full sunlight will begin to return to our celestial neighbor. Again, watch for the last hints of shading, sometime between 10:25 and 10:55 p.m., when the moon is finally fully illuminated by the sun. The last total lunar eclipse visible in the Northwest was 1996, and the next one is July 16 Staff Writer Ariel K. Jones

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