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FWD: BBC News SCI-TECH Hubble is 'better than new'
(Great picture of the Eskimo Nebula)

My reply

Thanks. The Eskimo Nebula is unusual.

So is Eta Carinae (pronounced "ate-a car-EYE-nee"). Look on p. 35 in the Jan., 2000, issue of Discover. Someone nice sent me the article. It looks like a table decoration at a wedding reception, lace rolled up and tied in the middle. Among the six luminous blue variables known, this one is unique, so different that it may turn out not to be a luminous blue variable after all. Last June, it had more than doubled in brightness. Its history is both catastrophic and explosive. If "Eta Carinai gets much brighter, radiation pressure should blow it apart," said Kris Davidson, astronomer at Univ. of Minnesota. It is even possible that it has already exploded and the gamma rays are on the way to Earth to damage every satellite on the near side of Earth.

The Hubble telescope is scheduled to observe it again in February or March. I'll be interested in seeing the new pictures. This one is very different from the one I have (p. 36, in Kerrod's Star Guide). Something worth watching is going on.

Not only that, but it is in the KEEL (Carina) of the ship ARGO (A COMPANY OF TRAVELLERS), thought to represent the Rapture. The new star, NOVA VELORUM, was spotted in the reefed sails (Vela) on May 22, 1999, which just happened to be Sat., Sivan 7, Pentecost. It could be a sign that the Rapture will be on Sat., Sivan 7, Pentecost this year. I find it strange that in two successive years, Sivan 7 falls on Shabbat. Wouldn't it be great to be caught up to Shabbatai (Saturn) on Shabbat.

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Arutz-7 News: Israeli and Palestinian negotiating teams will begin an intensive round of talks on Sunday designed to formulate a final-status framework agreement by mid-February....

THE BIG STORM OF 5760
The great snowstorm has hit. Up to seven meters of snow have piled up on the highest summits of Mt. Hermon, and two meters of snow - enough for several weeks of skiing - have been measured at the lower levels of the Hermon. Close to a half-meter of snow has fallen on Jerusalem and environs. Heavy snow continues to fall as well in the Galilee and all along northern and eastern Israel, southwards to Mitzpeh Ramon. Light snow fell even in Nazareth Illit, parts of Beit Shemesh, and areas of the coastal plain. Heavy hail fell in Gush Katif.

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FWD: Newsweek article said, " Pope John Paul II told an audience at the Vatican that "rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God." To describe this Godforsaken condition, the pontiff said, the Bible "uses a symbolical language" that "figuratively portrays in a 'pool of fire' those who exclude themselves from the book of life, thus meeting with a 'second death.' "

My reply

No wonder Rev. 3:2 says, "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die." Hell is as real a place as Heaven.

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Stil love your site. Can't wait for the next new P&C. Your knowledge about the Bible is amazing. Can you please help me with this.

I am afrikaans and is using a afrikaans Bible. I also read the KJV on the net. In the KJV they talk about "Holy Ghost" and "Holy Spirit". In the afrikaans Bible they translated both as "Holy Ghost = Heilige Gees". Is there a difference between the 2 and if so, please explain.

Thanks for your time, and I really mean that. After I started reading your page ( must have been almost 2 years ago) , I really understand the Bible much better. OK a lot I stil don't understand, but the more I read, the more I understand. I just love it. Cant wait to learn new things. Thanks. I'm busy reading "Heaven found" - its amazing - thanks again. Love

My reply

Thanks for writing such kind words.

In different places, the King James New Testament has Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ. They all refer to the same thing.

There is so much packed into that one small book that one can't understand everything that is in the Bible in this lifetime. The pursuit stays interesting because no matter how much we know, there is always more just waiting to be found. Agape

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Excerpt from: http://members.tripod.com/~owen_eir/foreword.html

The 'Letters' describe only the first half of Pilate's administration. They close with the Death of Jesus at the Easter of A.D. 30. We should expect to find in them some answer to the many questions which occur to anyone who reads intelligently the 'authorities' on Pilate, and especially the Gospel narratives.

If these letters do happen to be authentic, it's another confirmation of the date of 30 A.D. for crucification.

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Thanks. I found them very interesting. It seems that it would be very hard to fake these. I can't see why someone would want to even try. I don't know if they prove 30 AD, I was more interested in what was said about John the Baptist and Jesus the first quick time through. Pilate kept tabs on their whereabouts a lot more than I knew.

When Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem for the last Passover, Pilate wrote these revealing words, "You will expect to hear more about the preacher Jesus. I am, for two reasons, proceeding cautiously. My first thought was to arrest him before he entered Jerusalem and came in contact with the crowds. But that course would have its dangers, at a time like this. Since he crossed the frontier he has done nothing openly to justify it, his followers would spread the report that I had seized a noble patriotic Jew, and so, figuring once more as the oppressor, I might have on my hands a sudden outburst of passion of the kind which I desire to avoid. Besides, Annas and Caiaphas have both been to see me. It was at once apparent that they, and especially Annas, were extremely desirous that I should remove what they consider a danger to themselves. They hate the man and no doubt with good reason. The Pharisees and lawyers are really disturbed about the attacks on the Law; the priesthood scents a danger to its livelihood; while Annas, Caiaphas and the other noble Sadducees are not only concerned for the maintenance of the whole priestly system (they are pretty indifferent themselves about the Law), but fear some sudden turn of affairs which might convert this Jesus into a national hero - and then what would become of them and their power?"

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Your last letter you said that you think that the last three feasts will all happen at the same time. On the Mellinial Day. But isn't the Mellinium a time of peace and rest? How can we have peace and rest with the 7 year tribulation and the war at the end? This is not representative of the Mellinium.

I have been studying the Festivals now for about 4 years. And I cannot say that I am in 100 percent agreement with what I have been taught. My question is about the Feast of Trumpets being the feast of the rapture. That is the only one I doubt. I think the rapture will happen on the Feast of Pentecost.

This one fits representing the church; and the way in which they celebrate it fits the plan for the rapture also.

But what he has taught me was that these 3 Fall feasts represent Jesus' Second coming and the Mellinium. This would fit with what your telling also. But he also says that the beginning of the tribulation is on Yom Kippur and ends on a Yom Kippur. Being 7 full years. The rapture being on Roshashana just 7 days prior.

The scriptures that he quotes all fit with the plan too. Yom Kippur being the Feast with a FAST is in the book of Zechariah I think. That one talks about 'let the bridegroom and the bride come out of their closet'. This makes complete sense being the Day of Atonement or Yom Kippur then, for the 2nd coming.

And you said that the rapture of the tribulation saints is one Roshashana. Is that correct? When does this happen? In the middle of the trib.? Are there any scriptures that tells us directly that there is a rapture in the middle? As well as at the beginning.?

Thanks for the your insight to this matter that is a bit confusing to us all I think. So may interpretations to all this information!!! Love

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> Your last letter you said that you think that the last three feasts will all
> happen at the same time. On the Mellinial Day. But isn't the Mellinium a
> time of peace and rest?

I think the fall feasts, Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles will probably be fulfilled on Tishri 1, 10, and starting on the 15th at the beginning of the Millennium in 2007. The millennial peace does not begin until His kingdom is purged of the wicked, Christ returns to Earth, Armageddon is fought and Satan is chained.

> How can we have peace and rest with the 7 year tribulation and the war at the end?

I think the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation will be the first day of the Millennium. On that day, the army led by Gog attacks Israel, bringing God's fury up in his face. The 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth, stopping the northern army.

Elijah has to come before the millennial Day of the Lord comes (Mal. 4:5). He is one of the two witnesses that prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation.

> about the Feast of Trumpets being the feast of the rapture.

There are two Raptures. I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture to be on Pentecost and the Pre-Wrath Rapture to be on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium.

> But what he has taught me was that these 3 Fall feasts represent Jesus' Second
> coming and the Mellinium. This would fit with what your telling also.

It doesn't fit with what I think. I feel certain that Christ's Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year. Hos. 6:3 says that the Lord "shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts on Tishri 1. The latter rain starts on Nisan 1. I think Jesus was born on Tishri 1 and will return on Nisan 1.

Look at Eze. 29:17,21. The day is set in verse 17: "first month, in the first day of the month." Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." There are 7 Jewish months between Tishri 1, 5768 and Nisan 1 because 5768 is a leap year. Eze. 39:12 shows us that they will be burying the bodies during these 7 months. These 7 months show us that this must be a leap year, thus dropping the Second Advent into its proper slot in time.

> he also says that the beginning of the tribulation is on Yom Kippur and ends
> on a Yom Kippur.

I find no scriptures that would indicate that. Dan. 8:14 shows us that the shortened Tribulation is 2300 days. That fits the Seventieth Week of Daniel/Tribulation starting appropriately on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001 and ending on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. The days are counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning.

> Yom Kippur being the Feast with a FAST is in the book of Zechariah I think. That one talks
> about 'let the bridegroom and the bride come out of their closet'. This makes complete
> sense being the Day of Atonement or Yom Kippur then, for the 2nd coming.

Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet (it is the Feast of Trumpets) in Zion (the heavenly one), sanctify a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: Gather the people (the saved from both Heaven and Earth, Mk. 13:27), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts (they are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture with the Tribulation saints): let the bridegroom (Christ) go forth of his chamber, and the bride (of Christ) out of her closet (chuppah). Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land (Israel), and pity his people" (who are being attacked by the army under Gog). The Second Advent is still 7 months in the future.

> And you said that the rapture of the tribulation saints is one Roshashana.
> Is that correct?

Yes, I expect it on Rosh HaShannah in 2007.

> When does this happen? In the middle of the trib.? Are there
> any scriptures that tells us directly that there is a rapture in the middle?

I think it is on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. The only ones caught up in the middle of the Tribulation seem to be Moses and Elijah (Rev. 11:12). Agape

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I am continuing to follow your site with interest. It's probably being followed world-wide and is the #1 source for updated information about the Rapture.

Reading Amos 9:14,15:
I will restore my people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink the wine from them. They will plant gardens and eat their fruit.

I will plant the people of Israel in their land, and they won't be uprooted again from the land that I gave them, says the Lord your God.

Verse 15 says they won't be uprooted again from the land that I gave them. In September of 2000 the Final Framework Agreement is due to be signed. The final Land for Peace deal. If Amos 9:15 says they won't be uprooted again, how can this Agreement be ratified?

I believe the only answer we can logically come to is that it won't be ratified - the Ezekiel 38, 39 War will occur before then.  A different world will exist. And...we will be gone. Only God can control Providential Circumstances and God is ultimately behind the September, 2000 date.

Since as you have pointed out and Revelation bears witness to it, there is a short period between the Rapture and the onset of the Tribulation period, we have to be removed first.

Therefore, I believe June 10th, plus or minus world time zone differences, is by process of elimination indeed the timing of the Rapture. Jesus said we would know in Revelation 3:3. It's the last Great Feast Day of the Hebrew Year 5760. It's in the spring, according to the Song of Solomon. And Jesus did tell us, the final 40-year generation, that we would know all things.

When Vladimir Putin, the 'chief prince' of Russia, took over Russia January 1st, 2000 that I believe was a final confirming sign from circumstances. Ezekiel says the battle will be lead by this individual and only God could have arranged the timing here as well.

Another interesting observation regarding personal testimonies, I remember the testimony of the autistic boy who saw an angel and the angel said Jesus would return in 1999. I also remember the testimony of David Gant who said that the Spirit of God told him Jesus would return before the year 2000 (is completed). I was thinking the other day how can these be reconciled, as I believe they are both witnesses. I believe the answer is Jesus is returning in 1999/2000 - the Hebrew Year 5760 which is Sept. 1999 to Sept. 2000. It's a cryptographic technique, and both parts together give us the entire parts of the puzzle.

You are to be commended for not giving up - Jesus himself commended persistence.

And by the way, this is definitely a season of sifting as you've said - please keep me and my family in your prayers, and if the message is posted,my family is in some major battles and need prayers from around the world - my wife's name is Nancy and mine is Jerry. Please pray that our battles are resolved...and won. Thanks again & God Bless!

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Thanks for those kind words.

> If Amos 9:15 says they won't be uprooted again, how can this Agreement be ratified?

They will be judged for parting the land. Joel 3:2 says, "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, AND PARTED MY LAND."

They are trusting in their own strength and feel that they have to trade land for peace. This is because they do not trust the Lord and his almighty power. Giving away control over the temple area was a big mistake too. They will be taught a lesson. If they would only turn to the Lord now before the Tribulation begins, all these terrible things would not have to come to pass. It will be their 5th cycle of discipline. Why don't they read about what will happen and turn to the Lord now before it is too late?

However, the nation of Israel will exist. The northern army will aim to wipe it off the map, but God will intervene and save Israel. An asteroid (Rev. 8:8) will impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5) and kill all but 1/6th of Gog's army (Eze. 39:2).

> I believe the only answer we can logically come to is that it won't be
> ratified - the Ezekiel 38, 39 War will occur before then.

I expect the Final Status Agreement to be "confirmed" (Dan. 9:27) by the Beast and False Prophet of Rev. 13 on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. It could easily be signed by Israel and the PLO Sept. 13, 2000 and confirmed later. The Eze. 38 war is at the end of the shortened Tribulation. It is when the fishes of the sea shake and the worldwide earthquake causes every wall to fall (Eze. 38:18-20).

> there is a short period between the Rapture and the onset of the
> Tribulation period, we have to be removed first.

I also think this makes Pentecost, 2000, likely.

I added you both to my prayer list. Agape

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I thought you were a woman from reading your book Exit 2007. My question is do you think, of course the pre trib rapture, would that be the bride of Christ? also, the pre wrath rapture you speak about, would that be Christ taking out those left behind and the Jews and then does He come to put His feet upon the earth, etc Perhaps I'm not understanding very clearly. Sorry for any ignorance. Also do you feel as I do the two witnesses will be Enoch (did not die) and Elijah will be the two witnesses instead of Moses and Elijah? Thanks for responding

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Since there are last that will be first and first that will be last, there is a chance that some of the Pre-Wrath Rapture group will be included in the Bride group. God is fair. However, it seems to me that the wise virgins that are ready the first time are sure to be the Bride of Christ.

I think the Pre-Trib Rapture may come next Pentecost. The Pre-Wrath Rapture seems to be on Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). There are then 7 months for the Jews to bury the dead. I think the Second Advent, when he puts his feet on the Mt. of Olives, will be on Nisan 1, 5768 (our Apr. 6, 2008).

The powers the two witness will have fit the two Israelites, Moses and Elijah, not the Gentile Enoch. The reference to the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks takes us to Zech. 4, where Zechariah is told, "These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." At the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah not only stood by the Lord of the whole earth, they talked with him. Agape

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I wanted to tell you of my experience... Possibly in 1977 a friend and I went to pray for her sister who had just experienced and epleptic seizure. One of her children had called. She lived in a very old ramshacked house with large oval shaped doorways. I had never been there before but she had spoken about something trying to get in bed with her...I thought at the time, being a new Christian, she was weird....Anyway she was laying on the floor unconscious. My friend and I knelt down beside her and started to pray. Out of the corner of my eye I saw something in the doorway to the side of us. I looked and there was this very tall something, who I could see even above the doorway, it seemed as if he was nine feet tall or more. He had on a stove type hat and very old clothes. All I could say was "Lord help" My friend said she looked at me and I was as white as a ghost and tears were streaming down my face. All of a sudden there were angels on each side of the doorway with crossed flaming swords. The flames were an orange red. Can I tell you I have never seen such a beautiful sight? And also that we did not stop praising the Lord for a a very long time. I can assure you this being, whatever it was, demon?, could not get into the room where we were ministering. Blessings

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Wow! that's an experience you won't forget. Eph. 6:12,13 is very real to you, isn't it?

It says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Agape

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I have something amazing to tell you, but firstly I would like to thank you for the updated "Space to Repent" web page, I think it is great. Yesterday my neighbor who is a school teacher (same school as my son Ryan was at) came to see me with one of the class mother's. This family was moving down to the Cape due to a business transfer, from the Orange Free State. On the 13 December 1999 the removal truck had taken their furniture through and the family set off with their two cars, Mother, brother in law and daughter in one car and Father, housemaid and younger daughter in the other. The car in which the Mother was driving was involved in an accident, no other cars involved and no apparent cause, tragically their 11 year old daughter was killed. My neighbor told her that I was involved in a similar incident and that my son was also 11 years old when he was taken. This lady really felt that she wanted to meet me as understandably, she is not coping very well with the turn of events that her life has taken on. Last night through tears and talking I discovered that this little girl told her Mum persistantly that Jesus is coming for us in the year 2000. The Mum did not take too much notice of this and put it down to a spot of Millenium madness, she is now thinking about what her daughter had said, saying that indeed Jesus had in fact come for her very close to the year 2000. I think that the little girl was giving her a different message, she knew something that her Mum is not yet seeing. I hope and pray that the little girl is right, and that our Lord Jesus Christ will come for us in the year 2000, perhaps in May or June. I ask you also to pray that I may have the strength to help this family in some way.

Marilyn thank you once again for always being there for us. Kind Regards

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Thanks for sharing this with me. Strange things do happen. Maybe some day, we will understand why. Dec. 13, 1999, just happened to be my 71st birthday. I have no hankering to grow much older on this Earth. Our treasures are in Heaven waiting for us to move there. The trip should be much easier than moving on Earth. I'm hanging on to our blessed hope. I know you are too.

You're in my prayers. Agape

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Hi there, my name is ---- and I am currently a student of philosophy and political studies in British Columbia, Canada. I have just read your syllabus dictating what is to happen on Earth and in the heavens over the next eight years; I must say that it does sound intriguing. However, I am very confused with how you have come about this information, as well as how you can be so very certain as to the timeline of events. I would also like to know if your books are available in Canada, and if they are not, if it would be possible to request a copy. I must admit that I am not very affluent in biblical affairs, but I do have a very strong interest and am considering pursuing a major in that very field. I would greatly appreciate a response to this email, as well as any information which you feel will help me better understand our destiny as a mortal race. Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely

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I am not a prophet, so I can be wrong. I have studied the Bible as deeply as possible since before 1960. All I can do is tell you why I believe as I do.

In 1967, Israel, God's fig tree (Joel 1:6,7; Hos. 9:10; Eze. 36:8, Jer 24:5,6), grew 4 leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights and West Bank) in the Six-Day War, fulfilling the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34. That was the beginning of the last generation. Jesus said, "when ye shall see all these things, know that it (i.e., the Rapture and the Kingdom of God) is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

A generation was demonstrated to be 40 years when Israel wandered in the wilderness 40 years while one generation died off. You can also see that it is 40 years in Mt. 23:36. In 30 AD, Jesus told the Pharisees that "All these things shall come upon this generation," and they did in 70 AD. Therefore, I expect this age to end in 2007 (1967 + 40 = 2007).

The Day of God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets (Mal. 2:3; Joel 2:1-3). That is also the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. According to Eze. 39:12, it is 7 months from the Day of God's Wrath Eze. 38:18-20 to Christ's return in glory. Since I think the Second Advent will be on the following Nisan 1 (first day of the first month, Eze. 29:17,21), the year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, and Tishri 1, 5768 is the first day of a Jewish Leap Year that has a 13th month.

I think this is the framework upon which the end-time events are to be placed. To set the beginning of the shortened Tribulation (Mt. 24:22), look at Dan. 8:14. The time when the Jews can sacrifice and the time when they can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple is 2300 days. Counting by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 is exactly 2300 days. The Feast of Weeks is a perfect time for the Seventieth Week of Daniel 9:27 to begin. The Feast of Trumpets is a perfect time for the 7 trumpet judgments to fall on Earth. God works logically.

Things that happened to Israel are for examples and types to show us things to come (I Cor. 10:11). When Joseph was in Egypt, there were 7 good years and 7 bad years. I think they are also being played out in our days. The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 good years brings us to 2000, the last year of the 7 good years. Adding the 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007, which just happens to be Tishri 1, 5768, the Day of God's Wrath. The Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days after they were signed here, on Tishri 1, 5754. Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. Doesn't that sound like something God would do?

If I am right, we are now in the last of the 7 good years. The Pre-Trib Rapture should take place this year, before the first seal is broken on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. The Pre-Wrath Rapture for the Tribulation saints should take place just before the 7 trumpet judgments are poured out on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007. It takes place between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals.

Get ready, just in case the Rapture is this year. All our "old sins" (II Pet. 1:9) are wiped off the books when we accept Christ as our Saviour. Any sins committed after that must be confessed to God so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9).

We want to be wise virgins with enough oil of the Holy Spirit to go with the Bridegroom when he comes (Mt. 25). The Tribulation saints fail to be ready the first time, but by the Pre-Wrath Rapture, they have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14)....Agape

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