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Incoming Email So, are you saying Armageddon will occur shortly after the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, or are you saying it will happen at the end of the 1,000 years of peace when Satan is once again released? I thought it was the battle after which Israel cleaned up for 7 months. Every time I think I have this down pat, I find out I don't. Is this timing exactly set down in one of your books? Maybe I need to read them all again.
Also, could you do this - every time, when you give a date stated in Israeli months and days, also give our coresponding months and days. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. I don't have Israeli months committed to memory so it is difficult to transpose from one to the other. Maybe I can find an Israeli calendar on the web and print it. Anyone know where one is? Love
My reply Armageddon starts about 7 1/2 months after the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord. Here is the way I see the timing. I think the Millennium will begin on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). That is the biggest day ever. This day is Coronation Day, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Pre-Wrath Rapture (Mk. 13:27), the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Day of God's Wrath, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
At the Judgment Seat of Christ, rewards are given to the saints, great and small, and the seven trumpet judgments pour wrath on the unbelievers, including the united nations' army led by Gog that is attacking Israel. This attack is NOT Armageddon. That is between Christ's army and Satan's army. Therefore, it can't take place until after the Second Advent, which on Tishri 1 is still 7 Jewish months in the future, on Nisan 1, 5768, a Jewish leap year (our Apr. 6, 2008).
As the 7th trumpet sounds, Rev. 11:15-18 gives us a recap of some of the day's agenda. It says, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever....And the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38), and thy wrath is come (to stop Gog's army and destroy Babylon, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
"And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them (Gog's army), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent, 7 months later, on Nisan 1, 5768 [Apr. 6, 2008], the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year), saith the Lord GOD" (Eze. 39:12,13).
Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is the 2300th day of the Tribulation that starts on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first 1260 days of the Tribulation, when they can sacrifice), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib, Mt. 24:15), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (1040 days, the shortened Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:22) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (end of shortened Tribulation; then (i.e., after that, actually 7 months later) shall THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED."
What happens at the temple on the first day of the Sacred and Regnal Year, Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008, the day Christ returns on the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar)? It will probably be as in Eze. 45:18-21. It says, "In the first month (Nisan), in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY. And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin-offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten."
On Nisan 14, (Sat., Apr. 19, 2008), the Passover will be kept. The full 2520 days of the Tribulation end the next day, Nisan 15 (Sun. Apr. 20). That is the end of Satan's dominion. He has been operating as the tail of the great red dragon, as "the eighth" of Rev. 17:11, ever since the Day of God's Wrath.
The Judgement of the Nations follows, Christ officiating. Dominion is officially taken from Satan, and Armaggeddon breaks out. It is Satan's all-out last ditch stand, his army against Christ's army.
Dan. 7:25-28 says, "And he (the Satan possessed False Prophet, 7th head of the great red dragon, Rev. 12:3) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3 1/2 years). But THE JUDGMENT SHALL SIT, AND THEY SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS DOMINION, to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon, which I think lasts 40 days and 40 nights). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Hitherto is the end of the matter."
Satan is chained for the rest of the Millennium (Rev. 20:2). It looks like Satan goes down on Ascension Day (Iyar 25, 5768, our May 30, 2008), the anniversary of the day Christ went up--perfect planning.
The 7 months burying bodies, including those of Gog's army, is to cleanse the land for the glorious return of Christ.
Jackson Smith has made a chart that would help you get all of this straight. It is beyond my capabilities at this time to copy it as is for you here. The Mac couldn't receive it at all. I had him resend and picked up my email on the new PC. The chart came in fine on it. I will FWD it to you, and to anyone else that requests it, and try to put it down in words (minus the lines). If anyone knows how to do such a chart with HTML codes, let me know. It has horizontal and vertical lines plus words within boxes. Here is my text-only version.
OSLO ACCORDS - SEPTEMBER 13, 1993
-[Seven Good Years of Joseph's Prophecy-Genesis 41]
FINAL TREATY (Final Status Treaty) - SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
-Seven Bad Years of Joseph's Prophecy begins-Genesis 41
TRIBULATION BEGINS - MAY 28, 2001
-2520 Day Tribulation begins
-Final Treaty Confirmed-Daniel 9:27
-Seventieth Week of Daniel begins
-Sivan 6, 5761
-Feast of Weeks
-[2300 Day, Shortened Tribulation-Dan 8:14; Matt 24:22]
DAY OF GOD'S WRATH - SEPTEMBER 13, 2007
-2300th day of shortened Tribulation
-"That Day" where all Israel is born in a day
-Coronation of Jesus in Heaven
-Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven
-Asteroids impact earth at noon
-Tishri 1, 5768
-Feast of Trumpets
-New Years Day, 5768
-[Seven months Burying the Dead of Army Of God-Ez. 39:12]
SECOND COMING - APRIL 6, 2008
-Nisan 1, 5768
-First day of Jewish Sacred Year
-First day of Jewish Regnal Year
TRIBULATION ENDS - APRIL 20, 2008
-2520-day Tribulation ends
-End of seven year Tribulation
-End of second 1260 days
-Nisan 15, 5768
-Feast of Unleavened Bread
Hope this helps. Agape
Incoming Email Reference P&C 454 and the person who asked "why" about so many things.
Understanding that God's logic is "higher" than man's logic removes the word "why" from one's vocabulary and replaces it with, "Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works." Instead of asking "why", one will gaze in amazement at the wondrous works of God.
This same writer expressed doubt as to how quick these prophesied upcoming changes in the world could take place. Think about the Rapture and its effect on the world. Assuming that the "small flock" of believers that are removed in the Rapture are only 10% of the "professing" christians, then twenty million Americans will vanish "in the twinkling of an eye".
Apply logic to the fact of 20,000,000 people in America instantly vanishing. The first thing the sitting President will do is to declare martial law, thus giving the head of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) the control of all federal troops and National Guard troops to enforce whatever the President says. In an attempt to make sure people don't try to assume the identity of any of the missing, a national identifying program will begin. If you don't registrar and get your new official "Government" I.D. then you can't buy or sell anything. ECT.
And don't forget that all the other countries in the world will be doing the same thing.
Nothing is impossible with God. Agape
My reply Thanks for the big picture. That many missing people will give governments a few things to do. I can imagine an overflow in probate departments. Agape
Incoming Email I never received your reply on the last email I sent you, but I did read it on your P&C.
Is the Kingdom of God being able to rule with Christ in heaven? Is it the opposite of what the triblulation saints will get for eternity, which is worshiping God at the feet of his throne forever? Is this the difference between "seeing" the Kingdom of God, and "entering" the Kingdom of God?
Do you believe the Kingdom of God is not the same thing as heaven? But instead it is the "ranks" we are to recieve in heaven? I'm also confused as to what the unpardonable sin is mentioned in 1John 5:16-17. If its blasheming the Holy Spirit does this mean the person can't enter heaven or can't enter the Kingdom of God only. (That is if you believe heaven and the Kingdom of God are two different things) I'm sorry to trouble you. But I dont want to be led astray or become a "false teacher". Could you please pray for me?
My reply The email I sent you was returned to me. I was hoping you would see it on the Pro and Cons.
Before the Rapture, believers are in the Kingdom of God. We are willingly subject to God.
After the Rapture, we will be with Christ. He said, I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" (Jn. 14:2,3). When he comes to Earth, we will come also. Zech. 14:5 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee." When he returns to Heaven, we will go with him. If it is necessary for us to come to work on the Earth, we will travel back and forth, but our home is in Heaven. That is our base.
As I understand it, for the remnant saved on Earth and the Jews that are resurrected and put back on Earth, the Kingdom of Christ will be headed up by His government. David will be put back on his throne. Christ will return to Heaven and be as God to those on Earth, and David will be a prince under Christ. The Tabernacle of David will be set up again at the Second Advent. Christ will sit on David's throne. After he returns to Heaven, David will sit on his own throne again.
Jer. 30:9: "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."
Eze. 34:23,24: "I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace."
Those of the first Rapture are "kings and priests" (Rev. 5:10) in the millennial Day of the Lord, when Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. Those of the second Rapture "are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple" (Rev. 7:15). Beyond this, we don't know much.
The ranks are stages in the first resurrection. Christ was first, to be followed by those in Rapture I and then later by those in Rapture II. It is like a baby being born. First the head, later one foot and then the other foot are born into a new world.
The unpardonable sin. When Jesus was on Earth, the Pharisees said that he did his mighty works by the power of Satan. This was not to be forgiven them. Mt. 12:31,32 says, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." I can't go beyond what the Bible says.
If we are in the Kingdom of God now, i.e., joined together by His Holy Spirit, we will end up in his heavenly kingdom and will come to Earth with him to set up his earthly kingdom. We also will return with him to Heaven. We belong to Him.
I prayed for you. Agape
Incoming Email We are in the closing moments of this age. There is a great gulf fixed between the wise, and foolish virgins,the foolish virgins do not believe in the rapture, by not believing they will not be ready. The unwise Virgins will give you many excuses for their wanting to go through this most terrible time the planet has ever known, and because they receive not the love of the truth they will be given over. I have every indication that the rapture will take place this year (5760), or the year 2000. The early rabbinical studies in the first century taught that there would be a resurrection at the end of 6000 years, we have arrived, also verse 5760 may indicate this with a Hebrew letter, (Hay) Translated shout! I was told by a jewish friend that the January eclipse happened on a jewish holiday called,(the new year of the trees), symbolically sometimes we are called trees in the Scriptures. There has been an explosion of signs in the heavens to witness to this hour! God Bless you All.
My reply J.R. Church said the big Hay was in the 5759th verse of the Bible, De. 32:6. "It says, "Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?"
The 5760th verse, De. 32:7, says, "Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee."
It is interesting that the red-moon eclipse was on the New Year of Trees. One man I know thought the Rapture might happen on that day.
In Psa. 52:8, David said, "I am like (symbolic language) a green olive tree in the house of God." In Rev. 11:4, the two witnesses are the two olive trees of Zech. 4:3.
Time is getting short. Agape
Incoming Email Re: the archko volume
Recently this book published in 1975 was referred to on your web site.
The following comments by a reader on the www.amazon.com site may be of interest:
"...The supposed discoverer of these "ancient writings" was German scholar H.C. Whydaman. Rev. William D. Mahan, who paid to have them retreived (after which they were translated and published in 1886) by curator Father Freelinhusen of the Vatican Library, admitted them to be fake prior to his death. Near unanimous criticism by New Testament scholars that the work is an obvious fake has not deterred many believers. Please see Gordon Stein's book, Encyclopedia of Hoaxes..."
Incoming Email I was doing a search for Unger and 4004B.C. under Google, when I came across your sight as the only relevant entry. And what a find! Thanks to God the Father for giving you insight into His Word.
I too have searched for years to find the timing of the Rapture, both in relation to the Roman calender and Scripture. I could find no other satisfactory conclusion [with no contradiction] than this: the Day of the Lord is one single day, the day that the Sign of the Son of Man is seen by the entire world in the midst of a blood-red moon and a blackened Sun -- the Lord Jesus will be revealed, sending His angels to gather the elect.
I'm certain that if you do a study on the Day of the Lord [Paul calls it the Day of Christ] in both the Old and New Covenants, as well as the specific references of Matthew and Revelation referring to the Sun darkened and the red Moon, you will see that the Rapture can only occur at the opening of the sixth seal, at the last moment before God's wrath is poured out at the seventh seal.
May God be true, and I found a liar. But I trust that my words are true, and of Him. There is but one book written, that I know of which correctly brings all these things together...it is the Bible. But there is another book that gets about 95% of it right -- The Sign by Robert Van Kampen. If you're interested in how the Feasts fit in as well, this book is a must-read.
May He find us worthy in Jesus on that Day.
With love in Christ Jesus, Who is like God?
My reply Thanks for your kind words. Here is the way I see it.
There are 2 Days of the Son of Man (or Days of Christ). They represent 2 Raptures, one Pre-Trib, the other Pre-Wrath. The first Day of the Son of Man has nothing to do with the millennial Day of the Lord. It is the first Rapture, before the Tribulation starts.
The second Day of the Son of Man is the second Rapture. It is on the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord.
In Lu. 17:22-37, Jesus "said unto the disciples, The days will come (in the future,i.e., in the Tribulation), when ye (i.e., believers) shall desire to see ONE of the DAYS (of the 2) OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall NOT see it (the first Rapture). And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there" (in the Great Tribulation, as Mt. 24:26's "Behold, he is in the desert").
He is actually addressing the Tribulation saints that desired to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture and were not. They are the foolish Laodicean virgins that are left behind when the Bride is caught up with the Bridegroom (Christ).
Continuing in Lu. 17, verse 24 says, "For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be IN HIS DAY" (the 2nd Day of the Son of Man, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord).
The Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14-16) is seen when the atmospheric smoke is rolled away like a scroll on the 2nd Day of the Son of Man. Both the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Sign of the Son of Man take place between the breaking of the 6th (Rev. 6:12) and 7th seals (Rev. 8) on the 2nd Day of the Son of Man, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the 1000-year Day of the Lord.
Continuing in Lu. 17:26f, Jesus said, "And as it was in the days of Noe (representing the Pre-Trib Rapture), so shall it be also the the DAYS (both of them) OF THE SON OF MAN. They did eat, they drank, they married...until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot (representing the Pre-Wrath Rapture), they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded (no mention of marriage here); But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." The Sign of the Son of Man and the Pre-Wrath Rapture are on the first day of the 1000-year Day of the Lord. This is the day the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth. At noon (Zeph. 2:4,5), the 2 pieces of the asteroid impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10), raining fire and brimstone from the heavens and destroying all but a small remnant. It looks like an asteroid destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and split the Earth, forming the Great Rift Valley.
The last 2 verses in Lu. 17 say, "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall BE TAKEN (in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and the other left. And they...said...Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (the Body of Christ that is in Heaven) is, thither will the EAGLES (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together."
Isa. 40:31 explains "eagles": "they that WAIT upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
Psa. 103:4,5 says, "Who redeemeth thy life from destruction...so that thy youth is renewed like the EAGLE'S."
> Day of the Lord [Paul calls it the Day of Christ]
I assume you are referring to I Thess. 2:2: "as that the day of Christ is at hand" in the KJV. All the major MSS have day of the Lord. It is talking about the Millennium. It won't come until the "falling away" (the departure, Pre-Trib Rapture) has come, and after it, the wicked one has been revealed. The Holy Spirit keeps the False Prophet from being revealed until after the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place.
The second Day of the Son of Man is the most eventful day--ever. It is the Feast of Trumpets, the day of Christ's Coronation in Heaven, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. While we receive our rewards for our belief in Heaven, the unbelievers left on Earth get their just rewards for their unbelief, the 7 trumpet judgments. Agape
Incoming Email Shalom Marilyn, on February 1,1999 I received an e-mail from Rabbi Ginsburgh at the Gal Einai Institute in Israel. He said that in the Jewish commentary (The Chesed L'Avraham) written by Rabbi Avraham Azuli in the 17th century states that the Resurrection of the Dead would come at the end of the Jewish year 5760. Also in chapter 59, on the secrets of the Mikvah, it mentioned how the amount of water in a mikvah (a ritual bath that removes impurity) measures 5760 eggs (a talmudic measure of volume).This seems to be a clue to a seven year global cleansing beginning on the last day of 5760. One more unusual clue is the feast of the archangel Michael, the leader of the host of angels is on the 29th of September and no one seems to know why this date was chosen. In Jewish tradition Rosh Hashanah represents these 12 names,themes, and idioms. 1.Repentance 2. Birthday of the world 3.The day of the awakening blast 4.The day of judgement 5.The coronation of the Messiah 6.The day of remembrance 7.The time of Jacob's trouble 8.The opening of the gates 9.The wedding ceremony 10.The resurrection of the dead 11.The last trump 12.The hidden day
Shalom, shalom, ----(tribe of Benjamin)
My reply Thanks a bunch. The 5760-egg measure is interesting, and that is a very good list of things that will happen on Tishri 1.
> Resurrection of the Dead would come at the end of the Jewish year 5760
I hope for Pentecost, when Heaven is a morning star. It is an evening star in the fall. Rev. 2:28 says, "I will give him the morning star." This is an overcomer. Therefore, he already has Christ in his heart, so he is referring to Heaven. The Lord called himself a morning star in Rev. 22:16 because his home is on a morning star at the time of the Rapture, and Revelation is written as if the Rapture were "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10,20).
This is how I think these items fit. Many fit the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).
> 1. Repentance
All Israel will "be born at once" (Isa. 66:8)
> 2. Birthday of the world
This cosmos began to operate when God rested on Tishri 1 in BC 4044 BC
> 3. The day of the awakening blast
Two asteroids (Rev. 8:8,10) impact Earth Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 4. The day of judgement
Judgment Seat of Christ, Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 5. The coronation of the Messiah
In Heaven, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 6. The day of remembrance
Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) will be the greatest day--ever
> 7. The time of Jacob's trouble
Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 8. The opening of the gates
The Pre-Wrath Rapture, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 9. The wedding ceremony
Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 10.The resurrection of the dead
The Pre-Wrath Rapture, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 11.The last trump
The Pre-Wrath Rapture, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007)
> 12.The hidden day
In the present Jewish calendar, it can be determined by figuring from the first new moon of Tishri in the first year covered by the calendar and applying a few rules, such as it can't be on Wed., Fri., or Sunday. In those cases, Tishri 1 is advanced to the next day. Shalom and agape
My outgoing email You mentioned J.R. Church's comments on Zeph. 2:1-3. He said, "In 2:1, Zephaniah is not speaking to Israel but to a Gentile nation. "Nation not desired" is from the Hebrew "Ha Goy," meaning Gentile. The full context seems to address Gentile believers (the church)."
Goy means nation. Many times, it does apply to Gentiles, but it is also used when Israel is meant. Gen. 12:1,2 in the exeGesis Bible says, And Yah Veh says to Abram, Go from your land and from your kindred and from the house of your father to a land I show you: and I work you to become a great GOYIM." That is Israel. Eze. 2:3 says, "he says to me, Son of humanity, I send you to the sons of Yisra El--to a rebelling GOYIM who rebel against me."
I think Zeph. 2:1,2 is talking about Israel becoming a nation in 1948. It says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you."
Thus, verse 3 can encompass both Raptures, the Pre-Trib one and the Pre-Wrath one on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth. It says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID in the day of the LORD'S anger." Agape
Incoming Email FWD: interesting article on new world religion
My reply Thanks. Here is what I found:
"Toward June 2000
This June a truly global United Religions Initiative will be chartered to perpetuate the spirit and action of the 72 Hours. The URI welcomes people of all religions, spiritual expressions, and indigenous traditions to join in seeking a common ground of shared spiritual values and cooperative action for a better world."
Wow! Interesting development for JUNE, 2000! Here comes the World Church.
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