Pro and Con 46, uploaded 12-20-97
I finally had to break down and email you. I stumbled across your site about two weeks ago, and have visited it roughly every day since then. I have bought and read your book 'The End Of The Age'.
I must admit that when I first began to read the material on your main page, I totally dismissed it as hogwash. 'Who is this audacious lady who dares to set a date for the rapture and speaks with such bold authority on the Word Of God?', I thought to myself. So, in smug arrogance, I began to read your material. By the end of the main page, I was totally floored. I went immediately to the top of the page and re-read everything again, then went out that weekend and purchased your 'End Of The Age' book. Marilyn, I apologize for my initial take on your many years of painstaking study and research. I can only say that I hope you are correct in your calculations and that I am not a slumbering Laodicean. Thank you.
That's ok. We are supposed to be skeptical until we research things and see if they jibe with Scripture. Otherwise we would be too gullible. I knew in 1968 when the major end-time events would take place, and knew about 1970 when the second Rapture would take place. I thought the Rapture had to be on Pentecost Sunday. Now, we only have one more left. I expect it that day. However, the Lord wants us to wait patiently and said to occupy till I come. If it is not the day I think it is, I will still wait patiently and occupy till he comes. It can't be long now. It has to take place before the Tribulation....
Pertaining to the remnant left behind after the first rapture, you beleive that no man can lose his salvation as do I. My problem with those left behind is this. Man , given enough time and opportunity will commit any and every sin imaginable, including taking the mark of the beast for a host of different reasons, ie. desperation, watching family members starving and suffering, etc. Keep in mind these left behind are already the foolish Laodicians, who are used to the ways of the world, nevertheless just as "saved" as those that were taken in Rapture 1 or are they? Certainly, some of these Laodicians will yield and receive the mark. How do you answer the paradox this scenario presents?
It just seems to me that they can't take the mark, no matter what. Satan has them in his slick little trap (no, make that a big trap). I think those left behind will go buy their oil and so be strengthened by the Spirit of Christ for whatever ordeal they have to go through.
I have read quite a bit of your website in my search for truth in Bible prophesy. Recently I came across two scriptures that don't seem to make sense to me. Perhaps you can explain?
After the Great Tribulation, after Satan is bound we read:
Revelation 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
And yet, regarding the first rapture we read:
I Thessalonians 4:16-18
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Now according to these two scriptures, the first resurrection has to occur after the Great Tribulation, and yet before the first Rapture.
Is the resurrection at the first rapture in Thess. not included in the first resurrection in Rev. because they are resurrected to heaven and not earth?
There are ranks in the first resurrection. I Cor. 15:22-25 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet."
As I understand it, the first resurrection rank took place in 30 AD. Following Christ's resurrection, the Old Testament saints waiting in Paradise were taken to Heaven. The second rank is the Pre-Trib Rapture. The third is the middle of the Tribulation, when Moses and Elijah are resurrected and taken up. The fourth is the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the fifth is at the end of the Millennium. All these are counted as the first resurrection.
I do believe the rapture of the church is in 1998 . I am not sure of the exact day. Something interesting to is if you take the year 1998 and divide it by 3 (unholy trinity it equals 666. Also 3 times 666 equals 1998 the only date u can do this with hmmmmmmmmmmm
To assure yourself that it has to be Pentecost, read Song of Solomon 2:10-14. It is the only time that fits the firstripe grapes, green figs, winter past, rain over, flowers appearing, etc.
Several have noticed that 3 x 666 = 1998. I don't know exactly what to make of it, but it sure is interesting how all kinds of things keep pointing to 1998. It is the midpoint in a Leap year, Prime year, Midpoint, Prime, Leap sequence too. It appears to be bracketed for a reason.
I surfed to the biochip website referred to on your website in a pro and con letter(www.apocalypesoon.org/xfile-1.html). The biochip website quotes a Mr. Carl Sanders as the engineer who developed the chip. I wanted to get more information on this topic and did a search of Carl Sanders on the net. I found the following web page which claims that Carl Sanders has seriously misrepresented his credentials:
It is very likely that this technology is available but the messenger quoted in many websites may be a fake.
About five years ago, the Church I was in asked me to lead the adult Sunday school in a study on the book of Revelation. While studying for that, I came across this study of the Feasts that I will share with you.
In the Old Testament, God, through Moses, instituted Three Harvest Feasts (Along with some others). These are the three great Pilgrimage feasts, in which the men were supposed to Present Themselves In The LORD'S Presence In Jerusalem. At each one of the feasts, the firstfruits of the particular harvest were to be waved before the LORD in His Temple. The three feasts, as I am sure that you know are The Feast of Firstfruits (Barley), The Feast of Weeks (Wheat) and the Feast of Tabernacles (Fruits).
Now, along with these three feasts, in the New Testament, there are three groups of people called Firstfruits. Jesus is called The Firstfruits of them that Slept, The Church is called a Kind of Firstfruits of His Creation, and the 144,000 are called the Firstfruits unto God and the Lamb. No more, and no less.
This could hardly be a coincidence, so each group probably applies to one of the Harvest Feasts. Jesus, as we know was resurrected on the Feast of Firstfruits. The Church's Holiday is obviously Pentecost, so the 144,000 are properly related to the Feast of the Final Harvest (another name for Tabernacles) which is obviously the wording of the Revelation in regards to them.
So, since Jesus was Resurrected and Presented In The LORD'S Presence In Heaven, at the same time that the Firstfruits of the Barley Harvest was being waved in the Lord's presence in the Temple in Jerusalem, than it would seem that The Church will be Resurrected and Presented to God in Heaven, at the same time that the Firstfruits are being waved in the Temple in Jerusalem (I think it will be functioning by then. My friend says it is completely prefabricated, and could be constructed in a matter of months). And likewise, the 144,000 will almost assuredly appear with the Lamb before the Throne, on the Feast of Tabernacles, while their Feast is being Celebrated in Jerusalem.
Also, we know that the early rains (Technically it is the latter rains, if you go by a biblical year) were associated with the Feast of Pentecost. And the latter were associated with the Feast of Tabernacles. So if the Church is taken out on Pentecost, then almost assuredly the Latter Rains will be poured out (primarily) upon the 144,000 in the fall of the same year (I would guess). This would act as it did for the Church. Anointing them for service, and sealing them for Deliverance, again on the Feast of Tabernacles.
These men are the best of the best from both the Church and from the Israelite nation, and I believe that many of them, if not all of them, are Christians now, who choose to stay behind to be witnesses for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think that this is the origins for the book The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. The Church is not going to go through the Trib. But, if these men of God get left behind, they will think that they are not even saved. They are left behind for God's Glory, and they will be taken away, as the book says, before God's wrath is poured out. These men need the Church's prayers! They are NOT left behind because (as some authors have said) they are the worst of the Church, they are left behind because they have given all for their Lord. They are the Children of the Kingdom. They are like Joshua and Caleb, who lived through the 40 years of wandering.
If you look at Israel (Adam) and the Church (Eve), the 144,000 would be the offspring of the "Marriage" so to speak. The two loaves of Bread waved at Pentecost, depicts both groups of these believers (Old Testament Saints and New Testament Saints or Israel and the Church). See Hebrews 11:39-40. They are the Male Child in the Revelation. And now, just prior to Israel's Awakening (Ez. 37:9 the second Breath. The first was in 1897, by Herzl) and the Church's translation, these Firstfruits are on the verge of being born.
We think alike on some things and differently on some things, which is natural. No two see things exactly alike.
I think the 144,000 are raptured along with a great multitude on the Feast of Trumpets. It must be Pre-Wrath and the Wrath of God is poured out on the Feast of Trumpets that is the 2300th day of the Tribulation.
On that day the nation of Israel will be born in a day (Isa. 66:8). Since God has been waiting for fruit on the fig tree (Israel), don't you think it is possible that the Feast of Tabernacles (Fruits) applies to the remnant of Israel that will go on into the Millennium?
> Jesus is called The Firstfruits of them that Slept, The Church is
> called a Kind of Firstfruits of His Creation, and the
> 144,000 are called the Firstfruits unto God and the Lamb.
I think these are parts of the Body of Christ. Christ, the head, is already in Heaven. The Bride of Christ will be taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture, and the rest of the Body of Christ, including the 144,000, will be taken to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Thus, the Body of Christ is the entire Firstfruits that will be brought "into the house of the LORD thy God" in Heaven (Ex. 23:19). After they are taken to Heaven, the Remnant that was saved in a day on the Feast of Trumpets is left on Earth to celebrate both the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles. Those first days after the catastrophe will be Days of Awe all right.
> Also, we know that the early rains (Technically it is the latter rains, if
> you go by a biblical year) were associated with the Feast of Pentecost.
> And the latter were associated with the Feast of Tabernacles.
If you will look on pages 163-165 in Unger's Bible Handbook, you will find that the former rain begins with Tishri (Feast of Trumpets) and the latter rain begins with Nisan.
Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. Jesus was born on Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year, and will return on Nisan 1, the first day of both the Regnal Year and the Sacred Year, the Regnal Year because he is King of kings, the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords, our High Priest.
Ezek. 29:17 sets the day of the Second Advent; "in the first month, in the first day of the month (i.e., Nisan 1, Ezek. 45:21), then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."
> The two loaves of Bread waved at Pentecost, depicts both groups of these
> believers (Old Testament Saints and New Testament Saints or Israel and the Church).
Or two groups to be Raptured, taken into the house of the Lord. Does this make sense to you?
There is no doubt that the people who live through the trib. and enter into the Millennium are intimately connected to the Feast of Tabernacles. The Bible says that all the nations on the earth will celebrate that Holiday in the Kingdom. However, the reason that I connect the 144,000 with it is because there is a difference between the firstfruits of a harvest, and the harvest itself. The Firstfruits of a particular harvest belong to the Lord, this is why they are waved in His presence in the Temple. After this ceremony, than the rest of the harvest was reaped, and the benefits enjoyed by the people. So, in this way the three groups of people are identified as the firstfruits of each one of the three harvests. Jesus is the Firstfruits of the Barley Harvest. The one sheaf was waved in the temple after it had been harvested. Then the rest of the Barley Harvest was reaped. Likewise, the Church is the Firstfruits of the Wheat Harvest and this would leave the 144,000 to be the firstfruits of the Final (Fruits) Harvest. They are seen with the Lamb before the throne, sometime before the bowl judgements are poured out, along with the Great Multitude, which would be the rest of the fruit harvest. Now as far as the rains, I am referring to when the Holiday is celebrated. On the feast of Tabernacles, they performed a "Pouring out of water ceremony." symbolizing the future pouring out of the Spirit. As with Pentecost, though the actual rains started earlier, they were in preparation for the Harvest. And the spirit then was poured out, not necessarily when the rains started, but on the celebration of the Harvest that the rains blessed. So, with the former rains, the Spirit itself will, I believe, be poured out at the Holiday of Tabernacles, turning these men into evangelists on the order of the Apostle Paul. My view of the 144,000 is that they are the Child of the Union of the Old Testament Saints (Israel-Adam) and the New Testament Saints (Church-Eve), which takes place at the Rapture on Pentecost (hence two loaves). They are the male child in revelation (A type of Christ). As well they are the child that Jerusalem labors over in (Isasiah?). That is why the first half of the Tribulation is known as the Birth Pains. If the 144,000 are part of the Bride then I would assume that their rapture would also be on Pentecost (though several years later). I don't think that is the case. I think they are separate from the Bride (I don't differentiate between Body and Bride, I believe they are the same.) ...By the way I have read both your books already, that is why I wanted to write to you, to tell you that you were right concerning May 31, 1998.
> So, in this way the three groups of people are identified
> as the firstfruits of each one of the three harvests.
Since "there is a difference between the firstfruits of a harvest, and the harvest itself," don't you think the firstfruits are taken to Heaven before the Wrath of God is poured out, and the fruit of Israel, the fig tree, is the harvest itself that is brought in later?
Look at Rev. 6. It begins with the Beast riding forth on a white horse as a prince of peace at the beginning of the Tribulation and ends with "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand." In Rev. 7:14, we see the 144,000 plus a great multitude in Heaven. They arrive there between the breaking of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8.
The seventh seal is broken on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. The 144,000 are in heaven on that Feast of Trumpets, before the seven trumpet judgments are poured out at noon. The entire firstfruits, the Body of Christ is in Heaven on that day. None of the Body of Christ will be present when the Wrath of God is poured out. I don't think it is possible for the 144,000 to be on Earth at the Feast of Tabernacles.
>the 144,000...are the male child in revelation (A type of Christ).
I think the male child represents the two witnesses who are caught up to God in the middle of the Tribulation. It is not Christ, as I used to think, because it is Mid-Tribulation. Christ was caught up in 30 AD. These are caught up and then "the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed here there a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (Rev. 12:6). These 1260 days are the last half of the seven years.
>If the 144,000 are part of the Bride then I would assume that their rapture
> would also be on Pentecost (though several years later). I don't think that
> is the case. I think they are separate from the Bride (I don't differentiate
> between Body and Bride, I believe they are the same.)
What "prize" was Paul working for so that he would not be a "castaway"? Isn't it to be as one of the wise virgins waiting for the Bridegroom? I think that only the Bride goes with the Bridegroom at the Pre-Trib Rapture. They are the Philadelphians for whom Jesus had NO WORDS OF CONDEMNATION. The Bride in in Heaven in Rev. 4:1. The 144,000 are still on Earth at that time, for they come out of the Great Tribulation (Rev. 7:14)....
I'm glad you think I am right on May 31.
Yes, I agree that the 144,000 as being the firstfruits of the final harvest will not be on the earth when God's wrath is poured out. Actually, I had come to the conclusion that they are sealed sometime around the start of the tribulation, and then are translated out at the Mid point, with the two witnesses. But I haven't really studied the dates to the extent that you have. For some reason though, I feel that they are linked to the feast of Tabernacles. For the types that I listed at the end of the letter, I learned alot from Northrop Frye's books on the Bible and Literature.
I can see why you would think the 144,000 would be Raptured in the middle of the Tribulation. I thought the second Rapture would be in the middle for about a couple years. However, when you read Dan. 11:40, "at the time of the end," and 45, "yet he (the False Prophet) shall come to his end," you can see that Dan. 12:1-3 happens at the end of the shortened Tribulation. It mentions "a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time (day of Jacob's trouble): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, EVERY ONE that shall be found written in the book." "Every one" includes the 144,000.
One thing I had to get straight was that the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE was one day, often called "that day," not the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation, as many teach. That can cause mistakes, just as Scofield's note about the three heavens kept me from accepting what the scriptures pointed to as Heaven for many years. Sometimes, we have to rethink things according to the scripures instead of blindly believing our teachers. Humans can be wrong. The original scriptures can't.
The Day of Jacob's trouble is the Feast of Trumpets, when the united nations army under Gog attacks Israel to wipe her off the map. That day, Rapture II takes place, then the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. At noon, a mountain burning like fire hits the Mediterranean Sea, killing all but 1/6th of the invading army (Ezek. 38; 39:2). Ezek. 38:19f says, "Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea...and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake." "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (Zeph. 2:4,5)....
This is an excerpt from the website I mentioned several days ago (wherein firstfruits rapture, then harvest rapture, view is held).
Interesting article re: Marriage Supper TAKES PLACE BEFORE Marriage, according to scripture references. Also interesting is "bride"
Among the pictures used to illustrate the age of reward, the most common is the "Marriage Supper". In this picture, the scene is one of a father who has made a marriage for his son or daughter. Yet before the bride is given to the groom and they live happily ever after, there is a day of great celebration. The celebration involves a great feast. The evening after the feast day of celebration, the bride is then given to the groom that they may then consummate the marriage by becoming one flesh. It will be seen from prophetic Scripture that the Groom is Christ the King and the Bride is New Jerusalem, a literal city. The "feast" is the 1000 year Kingdom. The "evening" when the marriage is consummated, is eternity with Christ and New Jerusalem....
I have to disagree with some things in this article. In Rev. 19:7, we find that "the marriage of the Lamb is come." Following that, in 19:9, the Tribulation saints "are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb." I'll have to stick with Scripture and say that the marriage precedes the marriage supper.
The Bride is that group that is called to Heaven, to the heavenly city New Jerusalem, in the first Rapture. In Rev. 3, they are called Philadelphians. Jesus mentioned nothing against this group and set before them the open door. In Mt. 25, they are the wise virgins that go with the Bridegroom when he comes.
The feast is in the 1000-year Kingdom, at its beginning, but it is not the Kingdom. It is a literal supper.
I also think that there are ranks in the first resurrection, and that Christ was the Firstfruits (I Cor. 15:20). Then the Bride of Christ is a kind of firstfruit (James 1:18), the "FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land" (Ex. 23:19) that is caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Tribulation saints are "the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:4), who are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. All together, they make up the Body of Christ.
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