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I am a first time visitor to your site today. I have to admit that I was quite impressed with the thoroughness of your thoughts and how clearly they were communicated. I have never believed that it was possible to know the date of our Lord's return, or pre-trib rapture. However, after reading your arguments, I am no longer dogmatic with that position. It seems that the subjectivity of eschatology is irradicated by your studies. I am going to have to put much thought into your studies in order to feel comforatable with your conclusions. Nevertheless, it was encouraging to be reminded of how imminent Christ's return really is. Last year, my five and a half month old son died of a very rare idiopathic liver disease. The worst part of the situation was that we had no idea that he was fatally ill. I take much comfort with the thought that the rapture could very possibly happen this year as my family and I would be reunited with our little ---. Thanks for bestowing some comfort to us with your information. Incidentally, how dogmatic are YOU with the idea that Christ's return will indeed happen this year at Pentecost? I would be very interested in hearing how assertive you feel in your spirit when you make such claims. Very truly yours in the name of Jesus

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Thanks for writing, and for your kindness.

Jesus told us over and over to watch. It makes the difference between being able to recognize signs and not being able to. Two days before the Crucifixion, the disciples asked Jesus, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the SIGN of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aionos, age) (Mt. 24:3). After sketching some events from their days to the end of this age, he answered their question about the sign of his coming and the end of the age with the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34.

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7; Hos. 9:10; Eze. 36:8; Jer 24:5,6).When his branch (klados, scion for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., 19 or under, as when they were numbered at the Exodus; Israel was 19 in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza Strip in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5 and summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (we saw them all in the 19 years from 1948 to 1967), know that it (the Rapture, the kingdom of God, Lu. 21:31) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the two Raptures, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Jesus told the Pharisees in Mt. 23:36, "All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did--in 70 AD. One generation in those days turned out to be 40 years plus 120 days. Jerusalem is the key. When Jesus entered Jerusalem on Sunday, Nisan 9 in 30 AD, to Av 10 (as before, Jer. 52:12), in 70 AD, when Jerusalem and the temple were burned, was 40 years plus 120 days. The temple environ was torched on Av 9, and the fire erupted into the temple proper on Av 10.

I think the Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age. It couldn't happen after Israel was more than 19 years old. In our days, I believe this last generation will actually be 40 years plus 120 days, from Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967), when Israel took the rest of Jerusalem, to the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 12/13, 2007).

As if to back this up, the Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993. I think we are to have 7 good years and 7 bad years as when Joseph was in Egypt. Adding 7 good years to Sept. 13, 1993 brings us to Sept. 13, 2000, the very date set for the signing of the Final Status Peace Agreement. Adding 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007.

The Oslo Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 7 good years and 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. That is too good to be accidental. It smacks of God's control. It is the way it is, and there is nothing we can do to change the picture it portrays to those who stop to figure it out. I feel confident that the age will end and the Millennium begin on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

I think Tishri 1, 5768 will be the Day of Christ's Coronation, the Second Rapture, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven. While the saints are receiving their rewards in Heaven, the unbelievers are receiving their just rewards for their unbelief on Earth.

Rev. 11:17,18 says, "O Lord God Almighty...thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Gog's army attacks Israel that day, bringing God's fury up in his face, Eze. 38:18), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

If Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets, is the Day of God's Wrath when the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth, it is the end of the shortened Tribulation. Dan. 8:14's 2300 days (the time when Israel can sacrifice and the time when she cannot because the temple is desecrated), counted backward, by Jewish inclusive reckoning from the Feast of Trumpets in 2007, lands smack on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. That is the perfect time for the Seventieth Week of Daniel to begin.

I fully expect the Pre-Trib Rapture to take place before the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in the spring of 2001. The book of Revelation is written as if the Rapture were at hand. It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (3:1 and 22:10). Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (Rev. 2:5; 3:11).

In Rev. 17:12, there are 10 kings "which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Thus, at the time of the Rapture, the 10 kings are not yet in power. Yet, as the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1, all 10 are crowned. To me, this shows that there is a gap between the Rapture and the Feast of Weeks in 2001 that starts the Tribulation.

I don't want to be dogmatic about the date of the Rapture, but we are running out of time. I think Pentecost, 2000 is the most likely date for the Pre-Trib Rapture. According to Song of Sol. 2:10-14, the time of the Rapture will be spring, when the winter rains are over, the turtledoves have returned to Israel (they come in April and stay till October), and there are both green figs and firstripe grapes. This is a very narrow time slot. Just before the Crucifixion, Jesus cursed the fig tree, and Mk. 11:13 says, "the time of figs was not yet." Passover, Unleavened Bread, and Firstfruits will not fit. Of the seven feasts, only Pentecost fits. The grapes come on at the end of May or early in June.

Do take comfort. The Rapture can't be far off any way we figure it. Look at world events. The peace covenant is almost here. I expect it to be signed Sept. 13, 2000, and "confirmed" (Dan. 9:27) by the two beasts of Rev. 13, on Pentecost, 2001.

It is imperative that we get ready NOW, for in the parable of the 10 virgins, only "they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door (Rev. 3:8; 4:1) was shut" (Mt. 25:10). We must use I John 1:9, confess sins committed since we asked Jesus to be our Saviour, so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Agape

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I really enjoy your web site! When the Lord said that "no man knows the day or the hour" He had not yet presented Himself to Israel as King Messiah. Also, if the church did know that the rapture would be in almost 2,000 years what would encourage them to keep looking for His return? It is also interesting to note that the ten virgins were made aware of His coming just prior to His coming. Yet there was enough time for the virgins to interact and then be SEPARATED before He appears and the virgins go out to meet Him. He does not go into the virgins dwelling but takes them to His dwelling. What do you think?? Sincerely

My reply

Glad you enjoy my web site.

When the Lord said that "no man knows the day or the hour," it was the Olivet Discourse, which was given on Tuesday, two days (Mt. 26:2) before the Thursday crucifixion. The triumphal ride into Jerusalem on the donkey on Palm Sunday had already passed.

However, it is obvious that the Lord did not want people to look for the exact time of the Rapture until the Sign of the End of the Age appeared. Until the Six-Day War of 1967 fulfilled the parable of the fig tree, there was no way of dropping the scripture's diagram of endtime events into its proper slot on our calendar. Mt. 24:36 worked like a Delay Switch. It kept men from trying to figure out the schedule of endtime events right away. That statement was in the present tense. On that day, no mere man knew. Jesus worded it carefully. It does not say that we will never know, and Rev. 3:3 shows that if we watch, we can know the "hour." Watching makes the difference.

On Ascension Day, Jesus told the apostles, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. BUT YE SHALL RECEIVE POWER, after the Holy Ghost is come upon you" (Acts. 1:6-8). When the Holy Spirit came to indwell believers on Pentecost, they then had the POWER to figure it out, but one clue was still missing, the Sign of the End of the Age. Only in the time of the last generation can the schedule of endtime events can be aligned with the calendars. Today, if we make a to-scale schedule of endtime events on clear acetate, plus a Jewish Calendar and a Gregorian Calendar, we can stack them and see how they line up, because we have a register mark, the Sign of the End of the Age, to go by.

Before we take another look at the parable of the 10 virgins, let's look at the surrounding verses to be sure that the parable really applies to the Pre-Trib Rapture. The whole passage from Mt. 24:51 to 25:30 is bookended with "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." That applies to the foolish virgins who are left behind. Everything in between those bookends has to do with the general time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, including the parable of the ten virgins.

In Rev. 3:3, the churches are told, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." In Mt. 25:13, the foolish virgins are told, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

They had been warned in Mt. 24:44: "Therefore be ye also READY: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." If they don't pay attention, the weeping and gnashing of teeth will come, for 25:10 says, "while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were READY went in with him to THE MARRIAGE: and the door was shut."

In the parable, before the foolish are left behind, both wise and foolish "went forth to meet the bridegroom." I can't be sure, but this may apply to the 480th year in the Modern Parallels, 5758 (1997/98). From that 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing good and evil, we may have entered the time set forth in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9. Jesus only speaks in the 3rd year, saying, "These THREE YEARS I come seeking fruit on this fig tree."

From this point, "the bridegroom TARRIED," as Samuel tarried to test Saul. We must be careful to not fail our test as Saul failed his I Sa. 13:14). We must be patient. Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my PATIENCE, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon ALL the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

This tarrying may end on Pentecost in the 3rd year, which could be 2000. I certainly hope so. We are running out of time in the 7 good years, and in the type, Joseph took up 1/5th of the grain in the 7 good years. I think our 7 good years started when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993.

Mt. 25:6 says, "at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." It doesn't seem that this "cry" could have come yet, for the foolish virgins do not have time to get ready between the cry and the coming of the bridegroom (v. 6-10).

Do we have any clues to how long the bridegroom tarries? We have the parable of the barren fig tree. If that applies, it seems that the 3rd year applies to the Rapture. Let's look for types. At Sinai, in the month of Sivan (Pentecost is in Sivan), "the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai" (Ex. 19:10,11).

This ties in well with the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, because Israel was betrothed to the Lord at Sinai. I am hoping for the Rapture next Pentecost. Agape

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On another rapture/prophecy website I learned that the May 5 alignment portends the Church in Heaven. Interesting that this might be an advance warning for the Rapture sometime this year. Sincerely

My reply

Lu. 21:25,28 says, "there shall be SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON, AND IN THE STARS...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

We have already had some celestial signs. The Sun got hit by something that caused an explosion, the Moon was found to have a sodium tail reaching to Earth, and just in 1999, we had the largest gamma ray burster ever, and two new stars. The first new star was Nova Velorum in the reefed sails of the docking ship Argo on May 22, 1999. May 22 was Sivan 7, Pentecost. I think Sivan 7 is the most likely date for the Rapture. The ship Argo means the company of travellers and represents the Rapture, just as Noah's ark did. Argo has the face that reminds us of Christ just above the waterline on the prow and the ram's head on the top of the prow.

The other new star was Nova Aquilla, the pierced on falling, which is the dying eagle that represents Christ, who died for us. One of the stars in this constellation is appropriately Deneb (Heb., the Lord or judge cometh).

May 5, 2000, is a lineup of 7 heavenly bodies, Heaven among them: Sun, Moon, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Uranus and Saturn. It has been said that this lineup has not taken place for 6000 years. It does seem significant, especially following the New Star on last Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5759 (May 22, 1999).

If you hear of other celestial signs, let me know. Agape

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You have mentioned, again in Pro and Con 456, that He keeps Shavuot for us. Could Shavuot or Pentecost be saved for the Jews? I think so. The first Pentecost was for the Gentile church. I think the next Pentecost (2000) is for the Jewish Nation that becomes believers because of the Rapture.

The Rapture could take place on Acension Day, May 31/June l, then the Jewish nation could be in tribulation 10 days, before the Holy Spirit comes to them, giving the responsibility of the Gospel of Jesus Christ back to the Jews. What do you think? Let us work until He comes! Come, Lord Jesus!

My reply

I don't want to rule out Ascension Day, but to me Pentecost seems much more likely. Christ went away on Ascension Day. The Spirit of Christ RETURNED to JEWS on Pentecost in 30 AD. Acts 2:7 says, "there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." At that Pentecost, the gospel had not yet gone out to the Gentiles. Not only that, but at marriage, two become one. At Pentecost, two became one in that the Holy Spirit of Christ indwelt the church.

The events at Sinai were a type. Israel was betrothed to the Lord, and He DESCENDED. Ex. 19:9,11 says, "Lo, I COME to thee in a thick cloud...be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will COME DOWN." At the Rapture, "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:17). The Israelites arrived at Sinai in the month of Sivan (Ex. 19:1). Ascension Day is in Iyar, not Sivan, like Pentecost.

On Pentecost last year, on Sivan 7, 5759 (May 22, 1999), the new star Nova Velorum appeared in the sails of the ship Argo (the company of travelers). It is thought to represent the Rapture. The ship has a face that reminds us of Christ at the waterline and a ram's head above on the prow. Nova Velorum may be a sign that the next Sivan 7 will be the Rapture. We don't have long to wait to see.

We are "a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures" (James 1:18). Pentecost is a feast of firstfruits. Lev. 23:17 says, "Ye shall bring OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves...baken with leaven; they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto the Lord." We are wheat. Pentecost is the wheat harvest. Boaz chose Ruth, a Gentile bride, around Pentecost. Agape

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Re: The Archko Volume comment in your Pro & Con 456
It was stated recently ( Pro & Con 456) that the book,"The Archko Volume", published in 1975, was considered to be a hoax. The Amazon web site that lists this book for sale has posted 7 customer reviews. Five of these reviews are very highly favorable and do recommend the book as a valued one to be read. One of the favorable reviews declared that the book was written in a time when everything had to be authenticated and indeed, the first 51 pages of this book does attempt to document this fact. The Drs. McIntosh and Twyman were the American individuals who saw to the translation from 1883 to 1887. One Amazon critical review stated from Gordon Stein's book, "Encyclopedia of Hoaxes" that a curator of the Vatican Library admitted that the contents of the book to be fake prior to his death. Perhaps that death statement was not accurate either as it would have to be compared with the extensive documentation recorded in the book itself. There can be hoaxes about hoaxes and we do know that many published statements are not necessarily true. The second critical reviewer stated he did appreciate the book for giving him a curiosity and desire to seek truths that were beyond the Holy Bible. Then he recommended the writings of Edgar Cayce and Elizabeth Clare Prophet for finding more facts about ancient hsitory. That statement alone may indicate to many Pro & Con readers that there are some questionable sources for any prophecies and histories; however, we do know that the Holy Bible itself never needs to be questioned.

Your website continues to be a source of great encouragement, inspiration, and information. I am sure that it has a very great readership. Thank you for your dedicated research and commitment to tell others such interesting and pertinent facts. Your recent item, "God's picture book,"THE WAY," written in the stars ' was superb. I too have been a reader of Bullinger's books for years.

My reply

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement to me and for this information about this book.

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Have you heard of evidence supporting the great pyramid in Egypt as the sign and witness spoken of in Isaiah 19:19-20? It sounded far fetched to me in the beginning until I did some research into the possibility. What I found was fascinating. There are many that support the idea that the great pyramid's architectural design and proportions reflect the story of the Bible in stone. Especially interesting are claims that the pole star is shining further and further down the descending passage and will shine all the way to the pit floor in 2004.

Anyway, check out these web sites on the subject.

www.drdino.com/faqs/faqmisc4.html
www.europa.com/edge/giza.html

In Christ

My reply

Thanks. I have read some books on the pyramid. I don't know for sure if it ties in, but it does have some interesting features. When it was built about 4500 years ago, the pole star was Thuban, in Draconis. The Great Pyramid of Gaza was aligned on that star. Because they had made a 4" mistake in laying out the foundation, the capstone didn't fit, and was not put on. Of course it didn't fit, the dragon was not a fit king and was to be deposed as god of this world.

In the constellation Cepheus, which represents Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. We now see his foot right over Polaris. It is interesting that Polaris will shine to the bottom of the shaft in 2004. I think the middle of the Tribulation, when Satan is cast from heaven down to Earth, will be in 2004. Does this signal his doom? Agape

Note: Afterward, I couldn't get the first URL, and disagree with the dates I found on the second.

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From the Christian from India
Thank you so much for writing back.I actually was really inspired by the message in your website that this joy was expressed as a e-mail to you.

The verses you sent me have really helped me.The most important thing i learned from the website was that Jesus is ready to take us back but are we ready? This was something that really opened my eyes. Also it shows that Jesus is so loving and merciful to sinners like us.

I am very happy now.That day i was just searching the website for christian material. i just typed the word rapture in the search engine and saw your site there. it has given me a lot of hope.

How wonderful is the the assurance we get from Jesus.We had very vague idea what rapture meant before but now i see it as a real and a mega-event to strike on a global scale.I have told many Christian friends to access your site as it is completely in harmony with the Word of GOD, BIBLE.Thank you for praying for our country as well

I also like the pro & con section as it clears away much of our doubts.

In places like India if only the Christians can read the message of the Lord in your website it will help a lot.Since for the time being there is free flow of information in our country but sadly If the Hindu fundamentalists continue to grow in power.All this information will be blocked.

i dont think there will be any problem given the assurance of the Lord's soon return.

will keep in touch with you, IN THE WONDERFUL LOVE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

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