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Here is some food for thought. In the parable of the fig tree, in Mt. 24:33, Jesus said, "when ye shall see all these things (Israel in the land and growing, as she did in 1967), know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the DOORS (there are two Raptures, i.e., two doors). James 5:8,9 says, "Be ye also PATIENT; stablish your hearts: for the COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, THE JUDGE STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR." To the church of Philadelphia, Jesus said, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR" (the first of the two doors). Rev. 4:1 says, "a DOOR was opened in heaven."

In Eze. 41:2, the "breadth of the door (of the temple) was TEN cubits." The persecuted saints "shall have tribulation TEN days in Rev. 2:10. Strange that from Jesus' ascension to Pentecost was also TEN days.

I wonder if the door of Rev. 3:8 could open on Christ's Ascension Day this year and close on Pentecost. If so, the time that the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10) could span just those 10 days. Rev. 2:21 says, "I GAVE (past tense) her SPACE TO REPENT." The next verse says, "I will (future tense) cast her...into great tribulation." Then at the time of the Rapture, the space to repent is past and the beginning of the Tribulation is still future. That suggests that there is a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation too.

Another scripture that might turn out to be prophetic is I Cor. 16:8,9. Paul said, "I will tarry at Ephesus (the first church of the 7 of Rev. 2 and 3) UNTIL PENTECOST. For a great DOOR and effectual is opened unto me."

His reply

That is an excellent point about the past tense of the "repent" and the future tense of "casting" in the following verse. That is certainly showing a period of time between the Rapture and the "confirming of the treaty".

You said:
> > I wonder if the door of Rev. 3:8 could open on Christ's Ascension Day this year and close on Pentecost. If so, the time that the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10) could span just those 10 days.

Thanks for remembering my interest with the ten days. I've been keeping up with your P&C's about Ascension Day and I think it sounds as good as any previous ideas.

Do you think the Rapture could be on Ascension Day, followed by ten days of persecution against those who became instant believers because of seeing people Raptured?

Or do you think that a major world religious event (such as radical christians blowing up the mosque on the Temple Mount) would cause the world to violently turn on the true Christians in revenge for ten days?

Let me know your thoughts on this. Tell Ed hello. Always Agape

My reply

Eze. 41:2 says of the temple, "the breadth of the DOOR was TEN cubits.

See what you think about this. Revelation is written as if the Rapture was at hand (1:3; 22:10,20). Rev. 3:8 says, "I have set (past tense) before thee an OPEN DOOR." Maybe Revelation is written as if the door has JUST OPENED as Ascension Day arrived. If so, it seems that the 10 days of Rev. 2:10 would be all that would be left from that point to the Rapture.

If the 10 days of Rev. 2:10 are foreshadowed by the 10 days between Christ's ascension and Pentecost, I think they would precede the Rapture on Pentecost.

Mt. 7:13-15 says, "Enter ye in at the strait (narrow) GATE: for wide is the gate, and broad in the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and norrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Ten days would seem to indicate a narrow gate just before the Beast and False Prophet are revealed..

Lu. 13:23--30 says, "Lord are there few that be saved? And he said...Strive to enter in at the strait GATE: for many...will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house (Christ) is RISEN UP (Ascension Day), and hath shut to the DOOR (on Pentecost?), and ye (foolish Laodicean virgins) begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence (where) ye are (their lamps are sputtering)...depart from me, all ye WORKERS OF INIQUITY. There shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God (i.e., the resurrection and Rapture), and you yourselves thrust out ('I will spue thee out of my mouth, Rev. 3:16). And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last."

Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise steward) will COME in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "there will be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Gen. 24:55 said of Rebekah, "her brother and her mother said, Let the damsel abide with us a few days, at the least TEN; AFTER THAT SHE SHALL GO."

Dan. 1:12 says, "Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, TEN DAYS."

Many are being severely tested right now on an individual basis, without anything else happening. Remember too, Smyrna only represents 1/7th of the believers. Agape

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I wanted to praise you for your website it is very good I agree with you except I don't think we can know the day of the rapture but I think based on the parable of the fig tree Luke ch 21 the capture of Jerusalem June 10, 2000, is a possible cutoff date. I think the rapture will occur sometime between now and June 10.i definitely think 2000 will be the year of the rapture based on the book of psalms. some think psalm 100 symbolizes 2000 while psalm 101-107 refer to 2001-2007, check it out i think so, psalm 100 sounds like the rapture while psalm 107 sounds like the second coming, GOD bless you

My reply

I have never bought the idea of the number of the Psalm being prophetic. For instance, Psa. 98 says, "O sing unto the Lord a new song." That happens right after the Rapture, but Psa. 96 starts out the same way. However, Psa. 100 might be. It says, COME before his presence with singing....ENTER INTO HIS GATES with thanksgiving." Agape

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For the inspiration of your God-given wisdom and insight shared with the world over the years. You have helped me keep my eyes looking 'Upward' from whence my redemption shall soon appear!

See you THERE! Many blessings to you and yours till THEN

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From Finland
A relative gave me Hal Lindseys´s "Planet Earth: The Final Chapter". It is the first publication in finnish that I have seen that even mentions the word "Rapture". The concept is still virtually unknown to public.

I have seen in the net many that talk a lot about coming wars and russian attack, and even attack against US. Also in this book, at least half of it portrays complicated scenarious of wars - even one big after Harmageddon. What is your view about these wars. The Bible does speak about king of South and about disturbing news in the east etc. Is the tribulation period filled with war, or is it around the the end of tribulation and the Day of Gods Wrath?

My reply

Armageddon is the last battle ever to be fought. It is between Christ and his army and Satan and his army. Therefore, it takes place AFTER the Second Advent. It is different from the attack on Israel as this age ends and the Millennium begins. Armageddon seems to be about 7.5 months after the Millennium begins with the Day of God's Wrath.

Before that, there is war after the second seal is broken, probably about the 2nd year of the Tribulation.

In Dan. 11:40, there is war "at the time of the end." That seems to be on the Day of God's Wrath.

In Rev. 12, there is war on the saints the last half of the Tribulation. Agape

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my name is --- and I am currently a student of philosophy and political studies in British Columbia, Canada. I have just read your syllabus dictating what is to happen on Earth and in the heavens over the next eight years; I must say that it does sound intriguing. However, I am very confused with how you have come about this information, as well as how you can be so very certain as to the timeline of events. I would also like to know if your books are available in Canada, and if they are not, if it would be possible to request a copy. I must admit that I am not very affluent in biblical affairs, but I do have a very strong interest and am considering pursuing a major in that very field. I would greatly appreciate a response to this email, as well as any information which you feel will help me better understand our destiny as a mortal race. Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely...Student

My reply

> how you have come about this information

I have studied the Bible as hard as I can go ever since about 1960. To start off, I read the Bible. Then, I read a stack of books about 18" high from BIOLA's Seminary Collection each week for 7 years. At the end of that period, I despaired of ever finding answers to some of my questions from man's books about the Bible, things like what Genesis 3:24, Ezekiel 1 and 10 were talking about. Authors either left those things out or went off on such a fanciful trip that I knew it wasn't true.

In exasperation, I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and, almost in tears, said, "Lord! you're going to have to show me. I want to know all the deep things--everything you want man to know about the Bible--everything." From that time on, I mainly studied straight from the scriptures with the help of Strong's Concordance. Every time I finished one version of the Bible, I tried to find a different version to read. Some things will come clear when the translators put it in different words.

Later, I added a couple of Lexicons, the Septuagint, and Green's Interlinear Bible. Now I have lots of different versions on my shelf. Lately nice people have sent me the Tischendorf New Testament, the exeGesis Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible, and the Complete Jewish Bible. I read all the main prophetic passages as quickly as I could. I couldn't wait to get at it. Now I have read much more than that in them. I finished the Tischendorf New Testament and most of the others. I read and reread important sections. I carry one of them with me to Ed's Cardiac Rehab. That is one hour of reading I'm sure to get in while he exercises. While he goes in a store to buy some fresh produce, I sit in the car and read, etc. When I take a break from typing, I prop up on the bed and grab a Bible. I don't watch TV much except ice skating. I read the Bible instead.

I learn new things all the time. The Lord doesn't pour it all on you at once. You learn new and unexpected things as you read. The more you know about the Bible as a whole, the more you can see in one verse. Something will tie in that opens the deeper meaning to you.

> how you can be so very certain as to the timeline of events

I do not say that things have to happen when I think they will. I am not a prophet, just a student of the Bible. I give my views and the scriptures that cause me to think that way. It is up to the reader to compare everything with Scripture and see what he/she thinks.

In Mt. 24:3, the disciples asked Jesus, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aionos, age)?" He sketched events to the very day this age ends and the millennial Day of the Lord begins. Then he answered the part about the sign with the fig tree parable.

Mt. 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting into an old rootstock, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as when they took the census at the Exodus), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer began June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the 2 Raptures, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Do you realize that 1967 was the very last year that Israel was young? She was 19 in 1967. When they came out of Egypt, only those 20 and up were counted. Those under that age were the young. If this parable had not been fulfilled in 1967, I don't see how it could be fulfilled. However, it was fulfilled, at exactly the right time, when summer was nigh. That is the kind of pinpoint accuracy God has.

In Mt. 23:36, Jesus told the Pharisees, "All these things shall come upon this generation." They did, in 40 years plus 120 days. From Palm Sunday, Nisan 9 in 30 AD, to Av 10 in 70 AD, when Jerusalem was burned, was 40 years plus 120 days. When modern Israel took all of Jerusalem, on June 7, 1967 in the Six-Day War, to Tishri 1 in 2007 is also 40 years plus 120 days. I think that is the Feast of Trumpets that is both the Day of God's Wrath and the first day of the Millennium. Tishri 1, 5768 is our Sept. 13, 2007.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. Add the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, and you come to Sept. 13, 2000, when the Final Status Agreement is slated to be signed. Add the 7 bad years of the Tribulation, and you come to Tishri 13, 2007.

As if that isn't enough to get our attention, the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Add the 7 good years and the 7 bad years, and you come to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. That is too good to not be by God's design. I take it as a sign. Do you? I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture for the Tribulation saints will take place on Sept. 13, 2007.

I feel that the Pre-Trib Rapture is near. I am hoping for Pentecost, 2000. According to Song of Solomon 2:10-14, it will be in the spring when there are both green figs and firstripe grapes. We are living in the 7th of the 7 good years. The fulfilment of the parable of the ten virgins draws near. We need to confess all our sins to make sure we have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to be chosen to go with Christ, the Bridegroom, when he comes for his Bride.

In the latest issue of Perry Stone, Jr's Voice of Evangelism, there is a picture of a seal and stone found in Jerusalem. It is thought to be the Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church. On both are emblems of the menorah and fish. The triangular base of the menorah and the triangular tail of the fish overlap, forming the Star of David. That seems like such a great representation of Israel, where the Old Covenant and the New Covenant merged. The article says, "In fact, one large stone block that was unearthed contains the words "For the oil of the spirit." It may have had a jar for oil set on top of it. What a perfect thing to find in these latter days when we need to have enough oil of the Spirit.

Revelation is written as if the Rapture were "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). In Rev. 17:14, "they that are with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." We want to be in that group. Agape. Book Information...

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The spirit showed me one more insight into Temple #5, which we are pillars in. In the dispensation of Mosaic Law, sacrificial lambs were taken into the temple first. So, the superior and perfect sacrifice (Book of Hebrews) ended the Dispensation of Law. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, was "taken" into the next Temple (#5), the virgin Mary, "by" the Holy Spirit, so that the Son of God would be sacrificed as the Passover Lamb. I can not resist to say with great Reverence and no disrespect, "Mary had a little Lamb, it's fleece was white as snow!" Neat!! Only the Holy Spirit of God can reveal these truths, and I humble myself as a worthy servant once more. Praise to the Trinity of the God! Agape

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I wanted to praise you for the work you are doing to wake up the church before the soon coming of our lord. You changed my mind I now am sure a generation is 40 years so I think something has to happen by june 10-15. I have two questions first what do you think is the significance of the planetary alignement on may 5 jack van impe says this could symbolyse the rebuilding of the third temple.secondly do you think the usa is the babylon of revelation 18 and jeremiah 50,51(jack van impe teaches this,i agree with him but i hope i'm wrong,GOD BLESS YOU

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I think it is likely that the planatary lineup is a sign, but of the nearness of the Rapture. Lu. 21:25 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars." Then verse 28 says, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." From May 5 to Sivan 7, Pentecost, is only 36 days.

Babylon is literal Babylon on the Euphrates River in Iraq. Rev. 17:3 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into THE WILDERNESS: and I saw a woman (the harlot church, Mystery Babylon) SIT (after she was moved and placed on her old base "in the land of Shinar," Zech. 5:9-11, where the Tower of Babel was begun, "in the land of Shinar" Gen. 11:2) upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." This scene is at the beginning of the Tribulation because the 10 horns are crowned. At the time of the Rapture, in Rev. 17:12, these 10 kings have received no kingdom as yet. There is a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

The word translated wilderness is eremos. It means desert. It fits southern Iraq. Remember the land we saw on TV during Desert Storm. Agape

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I was just reading the article on God's time clocks.  Do you think there are correlates with all these circles and a value such as pi which is found so often in nature?  Even the Egyptians knew its value and they were direct descendants of Noah's family. So many things found in nature are round, but that probably has more to do with the laws of the universe like gravity, and mass.

  Also, does the morning star, Heaven, have a perfect orbit around the Sun, and does that put more importance on the Sun.  It would seem odd to have the Heaven where God's throne is orbit around one of his creations, or if it does, be in an imperfect orbit.

  Couldn't the Sun be heaven. The morning star (sunrise), fire from the heavens, bright light that blinded Saul, Jesus is the light of the world, burning bush, purification by fire, darkness across the land when Jesus was killed, etc.

  I'm not a pagan by the way,  I worship God wherever he is and wherever I am.

  thank you for your web site I cant tell you how many people I've shown it to to answer questions, or to get them thinking about the imminent return of Jesus.

  I pray that God continues to give you wisdom

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I don't know about pi.

> does the morning star, Heaven, have a perfect orbit around the Sun

I think it is elliptical, as ours is.

> Couldn't the Sun be heaven.

No. Take a look at Eze. 1. He saw the heavens. The doughnut shaped cloud represents the Asteroid Belt. The four lively moving things are the 4 terrestrial planets moving in concentric circles, wheels within wheels. All the planets have the appearance of "burning coals of fire" or lighted "lamps" (1:13). One wheel (orbit) is "upon the earth" (1:15), "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire (meaning dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear)...And I saw as the colour of amber (Sapphire can be yellow)...And it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about." That describes Saturn and it's ring system, not the Sun. Agape

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tell me one thing, how do u know all this? Since i'm a christian, i know most of this stuff is going to happen, but how are u predicting those dates. Well anyways, write back. Sincerly

My reply

Wow! one thing. That is limiting. I guess I'll just say that I have studied the Bible as deep as I can go ever since about 1960. Agape

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Hi, Marilyn. I hope this note finds you and Ed well.

I have a question about the interpretation of Luke 21:24. In the KJV of the verse reads as follows: " ...and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." The NAS reads, " ... and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

The Greek word translated as "trodden" in the KJV and "trampled" in the NAS is designated by the Strong's reference 'G3961'. This word is "pateo," pronounced "pat-eh'-o". Strong's concordance indicates that it is from "a derivative probably of G3817 (meaning a "path"); to trample (literally or figuratively):--tread (down, under foot)."

This definition does not suggest a city necessarily ruled by gentiles. Rather, it indicates a city well travelled by foreigners (non-Jews), and a city in which gentiles live and work.

If this is the correct interpretation, then 1967 would not necessarily be the time from which we would want to mark off 40 years. Indeed, we would have to wait for such a time as no non-Jewish peoples either lived in or worked in the city. That is not the case today, for as any visitor to that nation can tell you, it is filled with many gentile peoples who call it home, and has been ever since before the time of Christ.

The question, then, would be how can we be so certain that Luke 21:24 was fulfilled when modern-day Israel took political control of Jerusalem in June 1967. Maranatha

My reply

Ed and I are fine. Brian is not.

> to mark off 40 years. Indeed, we would have to wait for such a time as
> no non-Jewish peoples either lived in or worked in the city.

You might wait forever that way. :-)

Under meaning c for "pateo," Thayer says, "to tread under foot, trample on, i.e. treat with insult and contempt: to desecrate the holy city by devastation and outrage, Lk. xxi. 24; Rev. xi. 2, (fr. Dan. viii. 13)." Pateo is also used in Rev. 14:20, "And the winepress was TRODDEN without the city."

Jerusalem seems to be the key thing to watch. Lu. 21:20 says, "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. That desolation took place in 70 AD.

Lu. 21:24 also says, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations." The dispersion started with the captivity under Nebuchadnezzar (II Chron. 36:18,19) and became final in 70 AD. To see this in proper perspective, we have to remember that from Nebuchadnezzar's time onward, Jerusalem was under Gentile overlordship until Jerusalem again belonged to Israel in 1967. That was one big day.

Regardless of what one might think of Lu. 21:24, I don't see how the parable of the fig tree in Mt. 24:32-34 could be fulfilled at any time after Israel was 19 years old. When they were numbered at the time of the Exodus, only those 20 and up were numbered. Those 19 and under were considered the young.

Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7; Hos. 9:10; Eze. 36:8; Jer. 24:5,6); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting onto an old rootstock, i.e., modern Israel) is YET TENDER (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (Israel back in the land and growing leaves), KNOW that it (the Rapture, the Kingdom of God, Lu. 21:31) is near, even at the doors (i.e., there are two entrances, two Raptures, Pre-Trib [the open door of Rev. 3:8] and Pre-Wrath). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Agape

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I have enjoyed your webb page and I am amazed at the insight the Holy Spirit has given you.

I have always been perplexed by Mathew 27:52-53 and have never heard it explained or preached on. Was there a resurrection at Christ death of all those that died before? The Bible speeks of two resurrections and warns of the second. Thank you for your input

My reply

Maybe that is because we are not told a lot more about it than what that scripture says. All I can do is tell you what I believe concerning it.

I don't think these were brought to life to die again like Lazarus. This was the beginning of the RANKS of the First Resurrection. I Cor. 15:20-23 says, "now is CHRIST risen from the dead, and become THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT. For since by man came death, by man came also the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. BUT every man in HIS OWN ORDER (tagmati, RANK); Christ THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." The First Resurrection started with Christ and ends with the rapture of the Tribulation saints. Rev. 20:5 says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

The SHEAF offered at the Feast of Firstfruits was not one kernel of grain. It was a sheaf, of which Christ is the all important kernel. He is the "seed" that was put in the ground and died that it could bring forth more fruit. As proof of that, the rest of that SHEAF was brought forth right away after Christ's resurrection. Because he was resurrected, we should know that we will be. But, because the rest of that sheaf was also resurrected, we can be absolutely sure. There is the proof. "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many" (Mt. 27:52,53). Agape

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