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Posted 4-8-00

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Zec:10:1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. Wow, it's been a few days since i wrote you last. This letter starts with a short question/thought, and the rest is just OT verses.

I Have been curious the last few days about clouds in the bible and how often they're used to show God's presence and they seem to me like a kind of gateway between heaven and earth. Maybe there is a simple explaination. I have the KJV on my computer, so i ran a search for every use of cloud in the NT and later, the OT. Just about every time "cloud" is used in the NT, and EVERY time "clouds" is used, it is refering to the day of the Lord. Knowing this I figured it would be helpful to check to see when these words were used in the OT, and if they could shed any more light on the coming events. A lot of the uses were speaking of heaven which mentioned blackness (space?) , and clouds (saturn?). The above verse seems interesting can you shed any light on the matter? It looks like clouds signify the second rapture. Jesus comes on the clouds takes the believers up, and then kicks some, uh, you know. So, when we find "clouds" in the OT and it's talking about things we dont understand, it may be shedding some light on present day happenings. thanks again...

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Thanks for sending the verses. You might like to try searching for rain too, especially the former and latter rain.

> > J'g:5:4: LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

This one is very interesting. Mt. Seir is a range of mountains in Edom. Sela (rock) was probably their capital city. It is known to us as Petra (rock), where the Messianic Jews will flee to Mid-Trib. It was still flourishing in the first few centuries AD, but has been uninhabited since. The Nabataean kingdom lasted there till 105 AD, when Petraea became a Roman province. The houses, temples and great buildings are breathtakingly beautiful. The facades are meticulously carved out of the pink sandstone. The great room inside is but a cave hollowed out of the rock. The entrance is through a siq, an aisle through the towering rocks so narrow that horses with big packs could not get through. People and animals go through places in it single file. It is easy to defend from the ground.

When the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place, Christ will take the saints out of Petra. On that day, the Day of God's Wrath, the worldwide earthquake will take place, two asteroid pieces will drop from the heavens. One or both will strike water, evaporating and splashing up lots to rain down. Plus, the one that strikes the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5) will cause a tsunami to overflow the land.

> > Zep:1:15: That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, Zec:10:1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

These verses have to do with the former rain and the latter rain. The former is Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium with the Day of God's Wrath. The latter is the Second Advent, which is 7 months later (Eze. 39:12) in a Jewish leap year, I think in 5768. Christ will symbolically splash down as the great rain of God's strength. Agape

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Thankyou for your recent replies to my questions, they are always so clear and enlightening.

Just recently - within the last 12 months Father has been really opening up things to me concerning the Jews and His Holy Name YAHveh (not God which is generic and synonimous with all those thousands of false gods worshipped in this world) and YAHshua(GOD saves) instead of the greek Iesous or Jesus. satan cleverly has blinded us to this fact and stolen from our Father the Glory and Honour due Him and His Holy name.

Your writings have helped me greatly in this matter - infact it was you who first caused me to see the TRUTH of ELOHIM "Those who are Soveriegn and Uncreated - the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end of His own line - David....."

YAHveh has shown me much concerning His Word and the significance of Jewish tradition and our covenant/ betrothal/wedding to His Son as His Bride.........Truly nothing in the Bible is just there or insignificant. I can see now why you study His Word for hidden Truths and the secrets for the end days in which we live.

One thing though Marilynn that really worries is the issue of keeping the Sabbath. There is so much in both the Old and New Testament that tells us that it IS IMPORTANT. And I have come to feel that the Bride is grafted into His chosen people so that the TORAH COULD APPLY TO US ALSO if we were to try to please our Father. Not to do this out of duty - because YAHshua is the new covenant and HIs Shed Blood has covered this issue for us........He is our Sabbath rest....But to do this to please Him as a Bride would to please her beloved? Maybe this also would set us apart? Just as keeping His name Holy?

I read again Isaiah 56 last night and there it is again. I cannot find peace in my heart about this. I beleive this verse is referring to the Tribulation Saints who are primarily Jewish concerning the Laodiceans and newly converted Christians? Verse 6 -7 says "And the foriegners(born again gentiles?)who join themselves to ADONAI to serve Him, to love the name of ADONAI, to be His workers, all who keep Shabbat(Sabbath) and do not profane it, and hold fast to my covenant, I will bring them to my Holy mountain(Heaven) and make them joyful in my house of prayer; and their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples. Adonai ELOHIM says, He who gathers Isra'el's exiles: "There are yet others I will gather(rapture 2), besides those gathered already(rapture 1?).

Can you help me understand this scripture please Marilynn. If we are meant to observe YAHveh's Holy Names and YAhshua's also in these end times. This seperates us from those who are luke warm and do not care enough about Father to understand how important it is to Him. Then maybe we are also meant to be keeping the sabbath?

I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

Hope you and Ed are well. I am finding things really hard these days since my marriage broke up and I am now seperated from my sons and unbeleiving and backslidden family members. It is as though I and the faithful ones I know are being seperated in these last days from all that is profane in our lives. We certainly have disengaged and are ready to go and have been since last Pentecost. Surely He is Near....even at the Doors. Love to you both in YAHshua's name Isaiah 57: 15 "Whose name is HOLY" Proverbs 30: 4 "What is His name and what is His Son's name"?

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Thanks for all your kind words.

I think Yahshua (Yah, short for Yahweh, saves) should be taught, because Jesus said that he came in his Father's name. This way, you can see it clearly. When we say Jesus, we then know that it came from Yahshua. This way, we can easily see that Joshua's Long Day is a type of Yahshua's Long Day too. More died from the falling rocks that day than the Israelites killed. It will be the same way on Jesus' Long Day.

Isa. 56:6 is still under the Old Covenant. We are under the New Covenant. Col. 2:16 says, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Feast days and the Sabbath were to set up a pattern for things to come. That pattern has already been established, so it is no longer necessary for us to keep these. We are free to worship on whatever day we want to. However, if I were Jewish, I would keep the Sabbath. Eze. 20:20 says, "hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Ex. 31:16,17 says, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever."

Now that I have my Bible open to Isa. 56, I see Isa. 57:1-3,15. I like what it says: "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPES), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY, none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress." This has to do with the nearness of the Harlot Church--like right now. Verse 15 says, "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones." Agape

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You are right about the Rapture happening in the late spring. The book of Micah:chapter7 Verse 1 states,(for I,am as the summer fruits,as the grape gleanings of the Vintage).Verse2 speaks about the Rapture. Verse one says, my soul desired the firstripe fruit. The Bible codes suggest that sudden destruction was in the same location as the year 5760.I can see world events and signs line up to this time,the present hour that we live in. Yours in Christ!

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I also like that passage in Micah. I don't put much stock in Bible Code dates though. Every letter has a numerical coefficient. There are just too many. If the dates were reliable, we would have been raptured in 1998. The United Religions is a good sign that the Lord's coming is nigh. Just as Abraham was told to leave Ur, the saints are instructed to get out of UR in Rev. 18:4. Agape

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Lets not forget about this verse Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD. This verse is clearly talking about the Great Pyramid because it is the only structure that sits directly in the middle of Egypt and also at the border of Old and New Egypt (north, south). It is an altar to the Lord. The last date on the Pyramids timeline is May 5th and there are going to be SEVEN heavenly bodies lining up in Taurus. Too perfect to ignore.

I truly love your site. The information that you receive and pass on is amazing. The allow the Lord to communicate with millions. What an exciting time to be alive. I just ask all non-believers to accept the Lord Jesus and

let him work through you. Not much longer. Looks like June is the BIG ONE. Peace in Christ

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I'm not as sure as you are about the pyramid. However, Christ is made the headstone of the corner, and because of a 4" mistake in laying out the base line, the capstone didn't fit, so it could be significant. A lot could happen when the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), though.

With the United Religions coming into being June 26, 2000, and the Final Status Peace Treaty to be signed Sept. 13, 2000, it is looking good for a Pentecost Rapture this year. Agape

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Re: astronomical prophecy post today on 5D Lampholder Newsletter...

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> > ...Then there was the conjunction in August of 1999, that included nine planets, several asteroids, and a solar eclipse. The "grand square" was in the constellations of Taurus, Leo, Scorpius, and Aquarius forming the shape of a "cross." This conjunction proved to be a glorious display shown in the constellations, similar to the representation of the "four beasts" of Revelation.... As I read this again, something finally clicked. The lines cross in CEPHEUS, which represents Christ as the King of kings and Lord of lords. These four are represented by the faces of a man, lion, ox and eagle in Eze. 1:10. Dan changed the picture on his banner to an eagle.

As they camped in concentric circles around the Tabernacle, these banners represented the cardinal compass points. The lines would cross at the Tabernacle. The Holy of Holies represented Heaven.

Josephus indicated that the candlestick stood for (1) the Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn (Ant. III. II. 7). Paradise is in the "third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2), Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. Since the western light was to always be lit, I think it represented the Sun. Keep these things in mind and look at Rev. 4:5-7. It says, "And out of the throne (of God) proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were SEVEN LAMPS OF FIRE BURNING BEFORE THE THRONE...And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (ice, i.e., Saturn's rings, the 'rainbow round about the throne' in v. 3): and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle." Doesn't the throne of CEPHEUS depict this throne?

Rev. 4:2 says, "a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (he is the first and the last, as these are the first and last stones in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (i.e., Saturn's rings), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone). In other words, this is Christ as YHVH, king of Israel (Isa. 44:6). The meaning of CEPHEUS helps paint this picture. It means the Branch, which represents Christ (Zech. 3:8; 6:12).

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last."

In Rev. 5:2, he is seated on the throne as the FIRST. In Rev. 5:6, he appears as "a Lamb as it had been slain." There, he appears as the LAST. How can this be? II Cor. 5:19 explains. It says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

A couple of stars in CEPHEUS give us some more good clues. They are AL PHIRK (THE REDEEMER) and AL DERAMIN (COMING QUICKLY AS IN A CIRCLE).

In Rev. 22:20, he signs off with "Surely I come quickly. Amen (so be it)." Keep watching.

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...Also that charter in June for the One world religion, Where does it state that the Pope will head it up and do you think that is what the bible prohecies.

I guess i'm looking for evidence that is reliable instead of what someone thinks they heard. Thanks

Do you ever get the feeling that some people r obsessed with the rapture and maybe neglecting other parts of thier christian walk? I'm afaraid some people look at it like well my life is not what i want it to be so the sooner i get out of here the better. I dont know just some thoughts i had.

Do you believe God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle and what does that really mean anyway? alot of people say that

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...In another email, I am sending a file that tells about the Pope heading up the United Religions. I am also sending you the charter. I don't think it mentions the Pope in the charter.

> that the Pope will head it up...do you think that is what the bible prohecies.

Yes, but it doesn't have to be this Pope. It could be the next one. I read that this Pope has said himself that he thinks it will be the next one. I think it will be the one who is the Pontifex Maximus during the first half of the Tribulation. Sheer numbers suggest that the Roman Catholic leader would be chosen to head up the United Religions. There are approx. 900 million Roman Catholics to 622 million Protestants and Pentecostals, worldwide.

At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 17:18 says, "the woman ('MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,' Rev. 17:5) which thou sawest is that great CITY (Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth. This is when the "ten kings...have received NO kingdom as yet" (Rev. 17:12).

Believers are called wheat, and the field is the world (Mt. 13:30,38). In Zech 5:5-11, the world church is symbolized by an "ephah," the largest measure for wheat, and "This is their resemblance through ALL THE EARTH."

A woman symbolizes a religious group. The woman that sits in the ephah has "wickedness...cast into the midst of the ephah." This seems to be when the Non-Christian religions are grouped with the Christians in the United Religions when the charter is signed June 26, 2000. Then, after the wickedness was cast into the midst of the world church, the whole thing is flown to Babylon, "To build it an house in the land of Shinar (where the Tower of Babel was started, Gen. 11:2): and IT SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, AND SET THERE UPON HER OWN BASE" (the Tower of Babel). I think what was begun at the Tower of Babel will be completed in literal Babylon on the Euphrates River in Iraq.

At this point, we read in Rev. 18:4, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Why? what is going to happen? Rev. 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (i.e., the asteroid), and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Rev. 8:10 says, "there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp." Zech. 5:3-4 says, "This is the curse that goeth forth (orbits)over the face of the whole earth: for every one that STEALETH shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that SWEARETH shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the THIEF (False Prophet, who steals like Judas Iscariot, the other son of perdition), and into the house of him that SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (i.e., claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

Rev. 13:2-10 gives us information about this leader. I am convinced that he will be made head over both the UN and the UR as the Tribulation begins when this man and the one that is to be the False Prophet (Rev. 13:11-18) confirm the Final Status Peace Treaty on the Feast of Weeks, May 28, 2001 (Sivan 6, 5761). Rev. 13:4 says, "and they WORSHIPPED the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" Verses 7 and 8 say, "and power was given him over ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS. And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb."

At the time of the Rapture, Rev. 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour (3 1/2 years) with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."

Dan. 7:23-25 says, "The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom (Rome) upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (it is Ecclesiastic Rome), and shall devour the WHOLE EARTH, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." The world has now been divided into 10 regions, over which the 10 kings will have authority under the leadership of the Beast. "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (the False Prophet) shall rise after them: and he shall be diverse from the first (he will be a different man than the Beast, Rev. 19:20), and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High (Christ), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3 1/2 years, Rev. 12:6-14).

In Rev. 12:4, Satan is symbolized by the "great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." The seven heads stand for the leaders of 7 world empires. I think they are (1) Babel I, (2) Babylon II, (3) Media-Persia, (4) Greece, (5) Rome, (6) Ecclesiastic Rome, (7) Babylon III.

At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 17:10,11 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (Babel through Rome), and one is (the Pope), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (3 1/2 years).

Isa. 9:13,14 says, "the LORD will cut off from Israel HEAD and TAIL...The ancient and honourable (the Pope), he is the head (the 6th); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is both the 7th head and the tail of the great red dragon, because he, like Judas Iscariot, is Satan possessed. Rev. 13:11 says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth (Israel); and he had two horns (Satan has two comings in a man) like a lamb (as Christ has two comings in a human body), and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON (Satan)."

Rev. 17:11 speaks of Satan, the great red dragon. "And the beast that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the Pre-Trib Rapture), even he (Satan) is the eighth (the tail), and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." Only Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet are called sons of perdition.

> > > Do you ever get the feeling that some people r obsessed with the rapture and maybe neglecting other parts of thier christian walk?

Not at all. They are spurred to confess their sins and get right with God so they won't be cut off at the Rapture. Lu. 12:46 says of the unwise steward, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Right now, we should follow the Lord's instructions in Lu. 21:36, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

> > > Do you believe God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle and what does that really mean anyway?

We should be wise virgins, not foolish ones. It means exactly what it says. Eph. 5:22-32 says, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord....Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it (his Bride); That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF A GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH....This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

We should use I John 1:9, confess our sins since we accepted Christ, so he can cleanse us of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. At that point, we are without blemish and ready to meet our holy Lord. Agape

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I have been letting this ride for several years on the pro/cons but decided it is time to say something. I was raised a Baptist and was very active in the church. I am now a Catholic. Never, ever, have I seen a Catholic pray to an "idol." There are no idols in a Catholic church. The dictionary defines an idol as a "statue or other material object, worshipped as a deity." Just as we have pictures of our children and friends and enjoy the remembrances we have of them when we see these pictures, Catholic churches usually have pictures, pictures in stained glass windows, and statues of Christ, the apostles, Mary, Joseph, etc. We enjoy these remembrances of revered Christians and Christ. The statues are not alive, they cannot answer prayers, and no Catholic thinks they can, therefore they are not idols. We do not pray to these remembrances. Ridiculous to think we would. They are no different than pictures of our families, or an oil painting of a family member or a bronzed baby shoe that many parents have. To read something different into these objects requires a person who does not know the Catholic faith and has not experienced it.

I remember one Baptist church I belonged to where there was a huge split in the church because there was a picture of Christ on a wall. That was called an idol by some. Ridiculous.

God/Christ/Holy Spirit is the only one who can save and grant forgiveness of sin. No different than the Baptist faith and others. Mary cannot save. I don't know one Catholic who believes she can. That idea has also been fostered by people who do not know the Catholic belief. Yes, there is a movement to give her a special name but that has not happened. That is no different than Baptists thinking up one more thing to call a sin and having a vote on it in their Baptist conference. Baptists are great in finding more sins.

On to the Pope. He is a man, a mortal. If a Pope is destined to be the antichrist, so be it. I believe there had to be a Judas and there had to be a Hitler. The Jews had assimilated very well in Germany, Poland, and other countries. I believe they would not have had the urgency, the impetus, to go back to Israel, without Hitler. That era was a horrible part of history, but maybe it had to be to fulfill God's plan. God's plan is His, not ours. There will be an antichrist and a false prophet, that we know. I will leave their identities up to God.

I am a Catholic and I pray to the true God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. He is my Redeemer and Savior and I will continue to find pleasure in the remembrances of Him in my Catholic Church. I hope He has a picture of me somewhere in His heaven so that He has occasion to say, "Oh, yes, I remember her." Love

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> > We do not pray to these remembrances.

I'm glad to hear that. I went to the wedding of a girl that lived across the street from us. During the ceremony, she went over and knelt in front of the statue of Mary. It seemed as if she was praying. Ex. 20:4,5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM." I figure that she didn't know that the second commandment really said that.

> > I pray to the true God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. He is my Redeemer and Savior

That is saving faith. That has the top priority over everything else. Agape


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