Pro and Con 483

Posted 4-10-00

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FWD: Good post by Jim Bramlett today about a recent conference he attended
..."Dr. Gary Kah has researched and written extensively on the coming New World Order and One World Religion, on which he is a top expert. I had never met Gary and was always curious, but I was able to meet and talk with him and I was impressed. He is not a paranoid conspiracy theorist but very intelligent and reasonable. At the conference he mainly spoke on the coming One World Religion, already in the beginning stage with an organization called "United Religions," a movement already under way and with a big meeting scheduled for June 2000, and other meetings this year. Their office is in San Francisco in the same building which just happens to house the offices of Mikhail Gorbechev, who is instrumental in this movement. Kah believes the Pope is also a key player in this, as evidenced by his ecumenical efforts in the past and most recently in the Middle East. Of great concern are his inclusive statements in gatherings of Buddhists, Hindus and representatives of other pagan religions where, for example, he has stated that the Holy Spirit indwells the people of all religions, instead of clearly articulating the good news of salvation available only through the atonement of Christ. This is clearly an anti-biblical, heretical statement. Kah says that other anti-biblical quotes from the Pope give similar concern. But as evidenced recently in the Middle East, the world seems to be looking to the Pope as the reconciler and spokesman of all religions.
(Note: In a recent newsletter, Colin H. Deal of Rutherford College says, "Some, even in the Catholic faith, are upset at the Pope's new stand declaring that all religions everywhere were founded by the same God and that Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems, Jews and others are equally legitimate parts of the overall 'Body of Christ.'" He quotes several Catholic sources expressing dismay at the Pope.)..."

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> > April 6, 2000, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars. That's interesting. Paul was caught up to "the third heaven" (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) (II Cor. 12:2-7).

Yes I saw this. I was on a lake (ice covered). The planets and Moon formed a triangle. But that was not all; in these latitudes (mid Finland) northern lights are fairly rare. As also reported by press, there was a big and beautiful show of northern lights. It was strongest for over a decade, and was special in one respect: there was a red colour in the sky - blood colour to be precise. These both spectacular things occurred simultaneously.

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Thanks for sharing this with us. I saw a picture of the red sky in our paper. I saw northern lights occasionally when I lived in Indiana, but never anything like this. I have never seen anything like it in a book, either. Agape

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I have been reading your pro's & con's for about 2 yrs. now. found you by reading someone on another site criticize you for getting 1998 wrong, so you moved to another date. The thing is, I think you're right, and I've been reading your thoughts ever since! Through their criticism, people find your site! I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I'm a Southern Baptist, in fact the secretary at a fast growing church. If I even hint at the idea that time is very short, they all act like I'm nuts. I had a conversation with our Youth Pastor the other day about the possibility that every Christian will not go in the rapture (using the parable of the 10 virgins) & maybe there could be two raptures and he says that is allegory. Of course he also used the old stand by that even Paul thought Jesus would return in his day. This seems to be a standard reply of most people. They say every generation has thought it would be their generation. Do you have a good response to the fact that Paul thought it was in his day? Thanks for all you work and wisdom!

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It was not for the apostles to know. It was for us to know because we are living in the end times. In Acts 1:7, just before he ascended, Jesus told the apostles, "It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power (i.e., to know), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you." Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, from Pentecost on, the church has had the power to know, but until the Sign of the End of the Age appeared, there was nothing to lock the endtime chronology down on the calendar. As soon as Israel grew leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank) in the Six-Day War of 1967 and fulfilled the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34, the end-time schedule of events dropped into its proper slot on the calendar.

The year 1967 was the LAST year that Israel could have fulfilled that parable. Mt. 24:32 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7; Hos. 9:10; Eze. 36:8; Jer. 24:5,6); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting into an old rootstock, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, YOUNG), and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh." The war started June 5. Summer began June 21. Israel was 19 years old in 1967. That was the LAST year she could be considered YOUNG. When they came out of Egypt, only those males 20 and up were counted. Those 19 and under were considered the YOUNG.

Add one 40-year generation to 1967 and the age will end in 2007. From Mal. 2:3; Joel 2:1-3, etc., we know that the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord will be the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is Sept. 13, 2007. From Dan. 8:14, we know the shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days. Count back 2300 days by Jewish inclusive reckoning and you have the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel on the Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001). The typology is perfect. The Pre-Trib Rapture has to happen before the 10 kings are crowned. At the time of the Rapture, Rev. 17:12 mentions "ten kings, which have received NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour (3 1/2 years, Dan. 7:25; Rev. 12:6,14) with the beast." As the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13, all ten are crowned. Therefore, there is a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, and the Final Status Peace Agreement is to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. I see those as the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt. From Sept. 13, 2000 to Sept. 13, 2007 are the 7 bad years. We are running out of time. Joseph TOOK UP a fifth of the corn (grain) in the 7 good years. I'm hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture this next Pentecost, Sivan 6 or 7 (June 9 or 10, 2000). That will take the salt (a leaven retardant) out of the way so the whole lump of dough can be leavened as the United Religions is born June 26, 2000. The restraining influence will be removed, and the wicked one can be revealed.

Just as there were Pharisees in 30 AD, there will be Pharisee types today. Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not recognizing the signs of the times. That will replay in our days, I'm afraid. If you don't look, you can't see.

"But know this, that if the goodman (minister) of the house (church) had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered HIS HOUSE to be broken up" (Mt. 24:43). The Laodiceans are blind. They are not watching. They have eyes that don't see and ears that don't hear, and they will be spewed out of Christ's mouth at the Rapture (Rev. 3:16). Thank God not all are like that.

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I wasn't very sure about the Pyramid either until what were thought to be air vents in the Great Pyramid were discovered to point to the stars in the Constellation of Orion. The small shafts leading up were originally thought to go to the outside. This has been proven false. They sent small robots up

the shafts and they never saw daylight. The Great Pyramid and the other pyramids around it were built in the pattern of Orion. These shafts only line up to Orions stars in the Year 2000. This more than convinced me that this May 5th is definately a sign mixed in with all the others

The Pyramid backs up Isaiah 19:19. The May 5th planet alignment backs up the Pyramid.

But I agree with you. I think the biggest sign to those of us looking for the return of Christ is the June 26th signing of the UR and the Final Peace Treaty of September 13th. Keep looking up and providing the great gospel that you are providing. Peace in Christ Hope this info helps you a bit.

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That's interesting. I hadn't heard that about the pyramid before. How did you find out? When was this determined?

ORION means ONE COMING FORTH AS LIGHT. He represents Christ, the conqueror. Orion is holding up the head and skin of the roaring lion who seeks to devour. Betelgeux, the star in the right shoulder, means THE COMING OF THE BRANCH. Another star, Bellatrix, means COMING QUICKLY. Could this alignment mean he is coming quickly in 2000?

All the heavenly bodies represented by the candlestick in the temple, according to Josephus (Ant. III, VII. 7), will be in the lineup May 5, the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

There is something else striking about this planetary lineup May 5. Those planets are in the process of leaving the constellation Aries and entering Taurus. Taurus, THE BULL COMING, has for its sign a boat (i.e., the Ark Noah built) floating upon the surface of the Earth. The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37).

Both overlapping figures of ARIES and TAURUS represent Christ in different postures. The Lamb is resting. Taurus, THE BULL COMING, is charging. The HYADES (THE CONGREGATED) is the apple of his eye just as we are. Both ARIES and TAURUS have a star named EL NATH (THE WOUNDED OR SLAIN), reminding us of Christ's sacrifice for us.

ORION is a decan of TAURUS. On the chart of the Zodiac included with Chris Patrick's "The Zodiac Conspiracy," Orion's club connects ORION with both TAURUS and GEMINI. In GEMINI, we are symbolically seated with Christ in heavenly places (on the ecliptic). The Bride has the lyre in her lap. It represents the redeemed who sing the new song after the Rapture. It will be interesting to see if 2000 is the year that we will actually be seated with Him in heavenly places. The sun is supposed to enter Gemini May 21 and leave June 21, before the United Religions charter is to be signed June 26, 2000. Pentecost is June 9 or 10, according to whether we count the 50 days by inclusive reckoning or not. I favor Sivan 7, June 10, but will be happy if the Rapture is any day this spring. Maybe now all systems are set on go.

Pastor Riley has pulled together the information about gold. It does seem to tell us a story. Mal. 3:3 says, "he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver." In his last newsletter, Pastor Riley said, "According to goldsmiths, one pound of gold contains 5760 grains. The actual temperature at which gold begins to melt is 1947 degrees fahrenheit. Gold then becomes completely liquified at a temperature of 2000 degrees. It is at this latter temperature that the goldsmith begins to 'purify' the gold by separating the gold from the 'dross.'"

The UN voted to partition Palestine in 1947, thus paving the way for Israel to declare her Independence in 1948. The Jewish year 5760 is our 2000. Will Israel be purified 7 times (years) after this year? I think so (2000 + 7 = 2007). "The precious sons of Zion" are "comparable to FINE gold" (Lam. 4:2).

Hab. 2:1-6,12 says, "I will stand upon my watch...the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at THE END it shall speak, and not lie: though it (the Rapture?) tarry (mahahh, hesitate), wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry (achar, be behind). Behold, his (the Tribulation Pontifex Maximus'?) soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith (Christianity). Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home (moves to Babylon), who enlargeth his desire as hell (Satan), and is as death (as the False Prophet, Rev. 6:8), and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him ALL NATIONS (United Nations), AND heapeth unto him ALL PEOPLE (United Religions): Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe (Rev. 18:21) to him that increaseth that which is not his! HOW LONG? (the Beast rules 3 1/2 years, Rev. 13:5) and to him (Satan) that ladeth himself with thick clay (inhabits the body of the False Prophet, who rules the next 3 1/2 years, Rev. 12:6,14, Dan. 7:25)!...Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood (Rev. 6:4), and stablisheth a city (Babylon) by iniquity!"

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Reference P&C 482: It appears to me that the Scriptures indicate a third major impact area on Mt. Seir from the asteriods of "That Day". What do you think? Tell Ed hello. Agape

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I think Mt. Seir will be destroyed on the Day of God's Wrath. That means that the saints in Petra are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture even though Rev. 12 mentions 3 1/2 years. The shortening for the saints' sake includes those people.

I am so jazzed. I just DL the KJV Bible from the URL on my link page. I didn't have a chance with the Mac. I had to also DL TurboZIP from Tucows, but it is worth it. Now, I can use Bible Plus Study Tool. Thank you and thank the Lord. I'll experiment a bit here for the first time with search, copy and paste. Mt. Seir = Edom.

Joel 3:5: The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joel 3:16: The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Joel 3:19: Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Eze. 25:13: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also stretch out mine hand upon Edom, and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teman; and they of Dedan shall fall by the sword.

This is probably ultimately the Sword of the Lord, which is the asteroid.

Jer. 49:17: Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof.

Ed says he can't believe it. I just showed him how quick it works. He is just as happy as I am. Agape

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:I agree with you about the numerical coefficient. I am Learning Hebrew from an interactive Learning system Tutor,there are just too many variables to nail down a particular date in regard to the bible codes,just suffice it to say the Rapture could be this late spring.

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I was reading your peice on the Cerabium(sp) and noticed your interpitation of the flaming sword as being a binary asteriod. I was thinking, how about a comet was being viewed. I suppose it would look like a burning sword. Nice job on these subjects, I thought the one about satan's planet Rahib was very interesting!

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After 22 comet pieces hit Jupiter, that seems possible. However, I think a binary asteroid is most likely. In Zech. 5:1-3, we have a description of the "curse that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth." That sounds more like the regular return of an asteroid than the long-term return of a periodic comet. It says, "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll (rolling thing). And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then said he unto me, This is THE CURSE that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth. This thing is twice as long as it is wide.

Rev. 8:8,10 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a GREAT MOUNTAIN burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:4,5): and the third part of the sea became blood...And the third angel sounded, and there fell a GREAT STAR (aster, star, asteroid, meteor) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters." To me, this sounds like one piece of the binary asteroid is larger than the other, and that agrees with Zech. 5, where the curse is twice as long as it is wide.

Gen. 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (planets), and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of (to) the tree of life." A binary asteroid would turn every way. It would probably orbit between Earth and Heaven, where the tree of life ends up (Rev. 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Paul told us in II Cor. 12:2-4 that Paradise is in the 3rd heaven (i.e., Mars, Jupiter, Saturn).

I think the asteroid that is the flaming sword orbits among the terrestrial planets. Eze. 1:13 says, "As for the likeness of the living creatures (lively things, the four terrestrial planets, whose orbits are concentric circles), their appearance was like burning coals of fire (reflecting the sunlight), and like the appearance of lamps: it (the flaming sword) went up and down AMONG the living creatures (terrestrial planets); and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning."

I think Satan has been living on this asteroid that is the "key of the bottomless pit" ever since his planet, Rahab, blew apart. In Lu. 10:18, Jesus said, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." This may have been when his planet Rahab was split into pieces. Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (split) Rahab, and wounded (chalal, pierced through) the dragon?" Besides this, we know Satan is cast out of Heaven down to Earth in the middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 12:9).

Rev. 9:1,2 says, "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star (Satan) fall (lit., fallen) from heaven unto the earth: and to HIM was given the KEY of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit." Isa. 22:17-19 says, "Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Eze. 28:16-18 says of Satan, "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering (guarding) cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (the Asteroid Belt is in the midst of the planets). Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I WILL CAST THEE TO THE GROUND, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (on Rahab, then on a piece of it, and at Babylon on Earth) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

Hab. 2:9 says, "Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set HIS NEST ON HIGH, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!" Ob. 1:4 says, "though thou set THY NEST AMONG THE STARS, THENCE WILL I BRING THEE DOWN, saith the LORD." Agape

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FWD: Interesting astronomy
Telescope Pursues Mystery, By John Fleck, Journal Staff Writer
Los Alamos scientist Jim Wren is chasing an odd new astronomical beast. Using an unusual telescope that scans the entire sky night after night...

"It's a mystery," said Wren, a Los Alamos National Laboratory astronomer. The object seems to flare and then dim like a slow-moving searchlight, said Massachusetts Institute of Technology astrophysicist Ron Remillard. It's probably a black hole of some sort on the fringes of our galaxy, but exactly how it's doing the things the astronomers are seeing remains a mystery...Remillard, using an instrument aboard a NASA satellite that records naturally emitted X-rays from distant stars, began playing cat-and-mouse with the strange object March 29.

He was analyzing satellite data collected over the previous week and saw a new bright object in the Big Dipper...As soon as he verified that he was seeing something real, rather than an error in his data, Remillard sent out an electronic alert to the international astronomical community, askingpeople to make follow-up observations of the object. Within an hour, an observer in Japan reported that he had spotted the object....

That's the sort of astronomical mystery Wren and his colleagues with the Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment salivate over. Where most telescopes peer deeply at a single tiny spot in the sky for hours, ROTSE (pronounced "ROT-see") uses a wide-angle lens to march across the sky, building a mosaic of images of the entire visible sky every night.

Because they scan the entire sky every night, Wren and his colleagues had an archive of pictures of the object. Finding the object would have been a needle-in-a-haystack sort of problem. ROTSE takes pictures of 10 million stars and galaxies a night, so many that it's unlikely the scientists would have seen the strange, changing object on their own. But Remillard's announcement told them where to look...the object had flared at least once before, in January...

Remillard...has seen similar things before, but the pattern of pulsing light and X-rays this time is different. "There's a big mystery here that's not solved," Remillard said....

ROTSE was built in 1997 by the University of Michigan, Los Alamos National Laboratory and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to study gamma-ray bursts...

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Re: Pulsing Light in the Big Dipper
Hope you're doing well. You'll probably get this link a thousand times, but here's another one. It's interesting...wonder if there's spiritual significance relative to its location? Take Care
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Excerpt from: "Taking the pulse of a cosmic mystery," By Alan Boyle, MSNBC, April 10
Astronomers around the world are focusing on a mysterious pulsing light in the Big Dipper, trying to figure out whether itís a newly active black hole or a neutron star. One of the strangest things about it is its location...THE OBJECT, known as XTE J1118+480, was first spotted March 29...the mystery object was in the midst of a rapid brightening in X-rays....

In the days since then, the objectís rise and fall has been charted by the Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment, a full-sky telescope set up at Los Alamos, N.M., to track quick-changing phenomena like the pulsing light. The ROTSE team reviewed previous data and found that the object brightened and dimmed in a four-hour cycle, building up to peaks in January and March. Before this recent work, nothing about XTE J1118+480 was known to any branch of astronomy, Remillard told MSNBC....

Whatís particularly interesting about this source is that it has cropped up high above the galactic plane, where most of the action is, he said....

Whatever it is, XTE J1118+480 is currently under close watch by astronomers ranging from backyard amateurs to investigators with the Hubble Space Telescope....

McKay said the objectís optical brightness appears to increase about a week before its X-ray brightness, which adds to the sense of astronomical mystery.

It may turn out to be not all that exotic, he said, but its location suggests that it may be a different thing.

My reply

On Jan. 23, 1950, the Knesset declared Jerusalem the capitol of Israel. Exactly 49 years later, on Jan. 23, 1999, the huge mind-boggling gamma ray burster was seen in the top of the shepherd's crook in BOOTES' right hand. Now, we have a mysterious object giving off light and X-rays in the GREATER SHEEPFOLD. It seems like a sign that Jesus is coming for his sheep soon.

What caught my eye right away was the location--in the BIG DIPPER. That was called the GREATER SHEEPFOLD in earlier days. I think it represents Tribulation saints, the group to be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. In early pictures of the Zodiac, when the sheepfold and sheep were pictured, some of the sheep were going out along the "handle" toward the reaping sickle in the hand of the good shepherd, BOOTES (TO COME, from the Heb. Bo). BOOTES (i.e., Christ) is the keeper of the sheep in the sheepfold.

In Rev. 14:15,16 we see the sickle for reaping the Tribulation saints. It says, "And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." This is just before others are thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God (v. 19). If the Pre-Wrath Rapture is close, the Pre-Trib Rapture is even closer.

Other stars in the Greater Sheepfold are EL ACOLA (THE SHEEPFOLD), AL KAIAD (THE ASSEMBLED), EL KAPHRAH, THE REDEEMED, and DUBHEH LACHAR (THE LATTER HERD OR FLOCK, as distinguished from the former in the Lesser Sheepfold).

A bright star in BOOTES is ARCTURUS (HE COMES). One star, MIRAC, means THE COMING FORTH, like an arrow. NEKKAR (THE PIERCED) shows us right away that this represents Christ. MURPHRIDE means TO SEPARATE, just what Jesus will do at the Rapture, separate the believers from the unbelievers before his wrath is cast on Earth.

The LESSER SHEEPFOLD has 7 principal stars, called the SEPTENTRIONES (THE SEVEN WHICH TURN). They may stand for the 7 churches, which are depicted as 7 stars in Christ's right hand in the Preview of the Pre-Trib Rapture in Rev. 1. There are 24 stars in the LESSER SHEEPFOLD. They could represent the 24 elders seen in Heaven in Rev. 4:4. The chief star is DUBHEH (HERD OR FOLD). The second is MERACH (THE FLOCK). Others are AL GEDI (THE KID, THE CHOSEN OF THE FLOCK) and AL KAID (THE ASSEMBLED, THE GATHERED TOGETHER). This Little Dipper rotates around the pole star, POLARIS, the outermost star in the handle. King CEPHEUS (i.e., Christ) has this star at his feet. Those of the LESSER SHEEPFOLD are the closest to him.

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