Pro and Con 485

Posted 4-14-00

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Thanks for your quick answer for the verse I sought. I thought it was in Revelation and was stuck looking there.

Here's one off the wall. You may not know or think it a silly question, but I have to ask. When reading your interps, a weird idea popped into my head - do you know which way the statues on Easter island face or where they point relative to astronomical events?

I accidentally found your website last Friday while researching the Christian knight 'myths' of the Capricorn constellation. I had no idea that all the constellations/stars have biblical backgrounds. The stories I have heard are Babylonian, Greek and Indian myths. I'm still taking in your interps as I have never heard of the tie to the bible before. Reading your insight caught my attention - I have seen how good Satan is at obscuring other truths from us. You quote some other authors who present how the gospel is told in the stars, other than the bible do you know where this concept was first revealed and documented? This so captivating to me, I wish to do further research. I'm still reading more and more of your stuff as time permits.

My reply

I can't even remember which way the Easter Island statues face.

Books on the gospel in the stars that I have are The Zodiac Conspiracy: God's Hidden Message In The Stars Revealed, by F. Chris Patrick (1993); The Gospel in the Stars, by Joseph A. Seiss (orig. 1882); and The Witness of the Stars, by E.E. Bullinger (orig, 1893). The latter is online at http://philologos.org. Oh, good, I have a note on these files that Hislop's Two Babylons is there too. Wish I had remembered that the other day. Hope that person will read this.

According to Josephus, Adam and Seth "were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them" (Ant.I. II.3). The next chapter starts off with "Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe."

Psa. 147:4 says, "He (the LORD) telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names."

The gospel in the stars was obviously inspired by God to give mankind a picture book of the story of salvation before the Bible was written. The Egyptian Zodiac of Denderah is older than 4000 years. Satan has tried to overlay the gospel in the stars with mythical tales and to twist it with his own brand of astronomy, astrology, which we are warned against in no uncertain terms.

As old as this story of salvation is, it still has lessons for us today. Lu. 17:25 says, "And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring." Verse 28 says, "And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

We are watching, as Jesus commanded, alert, so as to be able to recognize these signs appearing as the time of the Rapture approaches. On Jan. 23, 1999, we had the huge mind-boggling gamma ray burster on the 49th anniversary of Jan. 23, 1950, when at the first meeting of the Knesset, they proclaimed Jerusalem the capitol of Israel. It was in the shepherd's crook (or tip of the spear) of BOOTES, which means HE COMETH, from the Hebrew Bo, to come. BOOTES represents Christ as the good shepherd that keeps the sheep in the GREATER SHEEPFOLD (now called Ursa Major or the Big Dipper) and in THE LESSER SHEEPFOLD (Ursa Minor or the Little Dipper).

Last year, we had two new stars appear. The first was Nova Velorum, on May 22, in the reefed sails of the ship ARGO (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS), which represents us as we wait for the Rapture. The ship has the face of a man just above the waterline and a ram's head above on the prow. It, like Noah's Ark, represents Christ as Saviour. The ship is backing into the dock. Time is getting short. The other new star was Nova Aquilla, on Dec. 1. AQUILLA is the dying eagle that represents Jesus' death in our behalf.

We are watching the conjunctions now. Apr. 6 (date of the Crucifixion and Second Advent on our calendar, as I understand it) was a neat one. The crescent Moon joined Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in a triangle. These are the three heavens, as when Paul was "caught up to the third heaven" in II Cor. 12:2. On May 5, the lineup includes the heavenly bodies that the candlestick represented, according to Josephus. In the order of the lamps on the candlestick, they are the Sun, (the western lamp that was to always stay lit) then Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. On May 5, the Moon will join the lineup. The lineup will be obscured by the glare of the Sun, but we know it will be there. Earth will be on the opposite side of the Sun from the other planets.

The planets will be leaving ARIES and entering TAURUS (Heb. SHUR, COMING AND RULING). The HYADES are the apple of his eye. I think they represent the Bride of Christ. The PLEIADES are also in TAURUS. I think they represent the rest of the Body of Christ. PLEIADES means the CONGREGATION OF THE JUDGE OR RULER. HYADES has a similar meaning, the CONGREGATED. A star in TAURUS is PALILICIUM (Heb., BELONGING TO THE JUDGE).

The Sun enters GEMINI May 21 and leaves June 21. I hope for the Rapture on Pentecost, Sivan 7 (June 10, 2000). Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." In GEMINI, we have the Bride seated together with the Bridegroom in heavenly places, on the ecliptic, as "the third heaven" is a planet on the ecliptic. The Bride has the harp in her lap, a symbol of the redeemed that will sing the new song after the Rapture (Rev. 5:9). Agape

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I have a question that no one seems to be able to give me a stright answer on. Alot of preachers and pastors say that God is not comng back until the church is out of debt and without spot or wrinkle. They use Ephesians to back that up but when I read ephesians it does not say that Jesus wont come back until the church is without spot or wrinkle. Where in the bible does it say that he wont come back until the church is spotless?????? It seems to me that God gives everyone a chance and wether or not you take him up on his free offer is up to you., but his timetable just continues to progress and when he is ready to return whoever is ready are the ones that will go. Thats my view point but I am willing to change it if someone can show me in the word. Pastors are telling people this meanwhile prophecy seems to infold quicker and quicker pointing to the iminent Return of our Jesus. anyway I would REALLY appreciate if you could shed light on this for me. Thanks.

My reply

I'm with you on this. If the Lord was to wait until the whole church was without spot or wrinkle, I'm afraid he'd never come. I don't think the Bible indicates this. When the Bridegroom comes, there are wise virgins and foolish virgins (Mt. 25), Philadelphians and Laodiceans (Rev. 3). Some just get left behind. That's all. Agape

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Re: Clouds of Heaven I thought you might find this interesting. I came across a website called "Astronomical picture of the day archive". Please go to www.antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov and look at the april 11, 2000 picture. Didn't Jesus say He would return on the "clouds of Heaven"? It seems our solar system is moving through this "cloudbank" right now. What are your thoughts and how does the original greek speak of these clouds.

I always love it when you go back to the original languages in your explanation. Thanks and agape

My reply

Thanks. This is interesting.

I tried to get your URL on my new PC several times with no luck. I booted the Mac and looked at my Bookmark for the Astronomy Picture of the Day, added a bit to your URL http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html and got in right away. The best picture I found was at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000411.html It is also dated Apr. 11, 2000. Next, I looked in Favorites on the PC for the first time. Lo and behold, the first URL above was listed. Wish I had known that.

One of the files I DL is on the Vela supernova. It was dated June 12, 1996. That is in the sails of the ship ARGO (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS, which represents the saints on board). I missed that one in 1996.

Clouds are mentioned with the Rapture. I Thess. 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Greek word means clouds or cloudiness, so it doesn't do anything to expand the meaning.

Mt. 26:64 says, "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." The word nephele, still means clouds or cloudiness.

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It's been some time since I wrote to you. I do hope you are well.

I have been reading the Matthew and Luke accounts of the "as the days of Noe" as well as the Genesis account. I need some feedback as I am a bit stuck.

In Genesis 7, it states that Noah and his family went into the Ark on the selfsame day, i.e., the second month and the 17th day. When is this during the year, starting at Tishri or Nisan? Also, I read the message from a previous writer indicating that we are now in the month of Aviv. I have never heard of this month. What happens to Nisan?

I certainly looks to me that the exact date is given when they went into the Ark. Then, at least within the next 40 days, they were "taken away." The same rain that came down and destroyed those outside, lifted those on the inside, up and away. This word in the Greek seems to fit more with those in the rapture that those not. However, the Luke passage certainly uses clear language regarding those outside the Ark.

Also, the use of the singular word "day" has me a bit curious as well. The Greek here also refers to the hot part of the day, the daylight portion. They went into the Ark during, or in, that "day", the hot part. I am trying to resolve this with the midnight in the 10 virgins prable. Also, I noticed how the 10 virgins parable starts off with, "Then shall it (the Kingdom of Heaven, because it's all over at this point) be compared to..." right after discussing the Noe and Lot sections. Five will go as Noe, and five will go as Lot. Maybe? Sort of like a permanent scroll in Heaven describing these events.

Also, for all those pet lovers, Noe had more than a couple of animals on board, and if it's as Noe, then....maybe?

Also, were the ten days spent in the upper room a foreshadow of something for us? e.g., an upper room rather than a lower level room; tongues of fire (the five wise virgins?)? Jesus went "up" on the 40th day, they went "up" for the following 10 days, waiting. Could this have anything to do with the passage in, I believe, John 10, where Jesus states that He calls out His sheep, then goes on ahead of them?

Since the dimensions of the Ark are very similar to those of the Tabernacle and Temple, and since we are now the Temples of the Holy Spirit, is it time to throw the money changers out, making our hearts houses of prayer, so that the Spirit of Yahweh can dwell in us, and not depart from us? Is this somewhat what those in the upper room were engaged in? Also, I just noticed those in the upper room were waiting, just like we are.

Well, so many questions, so little time. Yahweh bless you and protect you. We'll see you soon....

My reply

> > I do hope you are well.

We are ok. Ed had a strange climbing temperature Fri., but we stopped it with Vit. C and CS (colloidal silver). I am praying for both, no all, of you.

Noah went into the Ark on Cheshvan 17, in the fall. Nisan was not made the first month until the Exodus. Abib, or Aviv, means green ears and is another name for the month of Nisan.

> > John 10, where Jesus states that He calls out His sheep, then goes on ahead of them?

John 10:4 says, "And when he putteth forth (ekballo, takes out, ejects, brings forth) his own sheep, he GOETH BEFORE THEM, and the sheep FOLLOW him: for they know his VOICE." Oh wow! I hadn't seen that in this before, Jesus ascended on the 40th day, "and the sheep FOLLOW him." What FOLLOWS Ascension Day? Pentecost. For "they know his VOICE"--saying "Come up hither"? Thanks for the encouraging picture. Verse 27 says, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."

Funny, we think of sheep as docile, but I got butted several times by a ram when I was about 5. Sheep are evidently not color blind. I had on a new red snowsuit and got butted into the fence repeatedly until I could get to the gate and climb over it. I had been in that field on other days too. My friend and I went down to his crick a lot. I just wasn't wearing red. What is it about red? Satan's color maybe? That ram wouldn't like the great red dragon one bit better than we would. The "path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day" (Prov. 4:18).

> > "Then shall it (the Kingdom of Heaven, because it's all over at this point) be compared to..." right after discussing the Noe and Lot sections. Five will go as Noe, and five will go as Lot. Maybe?

Mt. 24 omits Lot. That is in Lu. 17. However, the wise seem to go as Noah and the foolish as Lot. Micah 7:1,2 says, "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit. The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men." Here Micah plays the part of the foolish virgin, left behind at Pentecost, he has to wait for the Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. That time, fire falls that same day, as when Lot came our of Sodom.

> > is it time to throw the money changers out, making our hearts houses of prayer

You bet. We can't serve God and mammon. Dan. 1:14,15 probably ties in too. It says, "So he consented to them in this matter, and PROVED THEM TEN DAYS. And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat."

Jer 42:7 says, "And it came to pass AFTER TEN DAYS, that the word of the LORD CAME unto Jeremiah" (whom YHVH has appointed).

> > I just noticed those in the upper room were waiting, just like we are.

Yes, waiting between Ascension Day and Pentecost. Agape

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Hi Marilyn, am praying for you and Ed. You have really been putting in some long hours recently it seems and taking more than your share of battering from some of the brethren. Just a quick question... if you are too busy, I will not be offended, just delete and keep on going!

Jesus was crucified Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD . Nisan 1 5768 is Sunday, April 6, 2008. I just wanted to see for myself that April 6 is the day of both the second advent AND the crucifixion. How do you know Thursday,Nisan 13, 30 AD was April 6, 30 AD? I know April 6 is/was a Thursday in 2000,1995, 1989,1978,1972,1967,1961,1950,1944,1939,1933,1922,1916,1911,1905. Extrapolating this 28 year pattern back brings us to 29 AD as Thursday, April 6. Thus it appears Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD would have been April 5th. April 6, 30 AD would have been a Friday.

Note I waited until Thursday, April 6 (Jerusalem time) to ask you this question! We are 8 years from the Second Advent today and counting. Agape

My reply

Thanks...The Gregorian Calendar has had changes. Ten days were dropped at one time. Leap year figured for centuries was another thing added along the way.

I zeroxed some pages out of a book I found at BIOLA's library, called "The Jewish Calendar, Re-constructed with Equivalent English Dates for Every Day in the Public Life of Jesus Christ." It has Nisan 13, Th. Apr. 6, A.D. 30. I checked it with every other book on the subject that I found in the library, circled that date in red, and wrote myself a note by that. My note says, "checks out ok." One book I used is the "Handy-Book of Rules and Tables for Verifying Dates with the Christian Era," (NY: Russell & Russell, 1966). It is the most difficult book I ever tried to use. You read about Epacts (another one of my notes says, Epact 7 applied Greek-wise to Mar. 31, in 30 AD), Golden Numbers, and enough other things that were new to me that my head swam when I tried, but I stuck with it just far enough to try to verify the Apr. 6 date. In several other books, not just about calendars, but about the Crucifixion, I found that Passover, Nisan 14, in 30 AD was on Apr. 7. I tried in every way I knew to verify the date when I lived near BIOLA. Agape

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Re: April 6 and One quake or two? Whew! Marilyn, I am going to take your word and research on it. It is a lot more complicated than I thought. I did a web search for the "Handy-Book..." and "The Jewish Calendar, Reconstructed..." and came up empty. These old texts are probably buried in the archives of Biola's library somewhere waiting for the next Mary Magdalene to turn their yellowed leaves. I really thought April 6 was going to be an easy, straightforward question for you.

How about this one which I have been mulling over for months now...why do you suppose the great earthquake of Rev. 6:12 (which I assume is the shaking of Eze. 38:20) occurs before the asteroids impact Earth rather than after? (I would think the mountains falling from heaven would induce a worldwide shaking.) Or is the shaking of Eze. 38:20 referring to yet another great quake after the mountains are thrown down?

Am so excited now as we are inside two months and am super busy identifying people I must communicate with before much more time passes. J.R. Church's "It's almost too late" in the recent Bramlett Prophecy Conference synopsis was a potent insight I thought. Yes, I will be disappointed if we remain after Pentecost, but am determined nonetheless to endure to the end. I find the Word is burning within me as I wake and as I go to sleep. Wish I could go on 3-4 hours like you, but my portion of grace must be smaller!

The Lord Jesus meet your deepest needs...Agape

My reply

> > why do you suppose the great earthquake of Rev. 6:12 (which I assume is the shaking of Eze. 38:20) occurs before the asteroids impact Earth rather than after?

I think these two earthquakes are different ones, because the saints raised from the dead at the second Rapture will come out of the graves BEFORE the asteroids impact Earth the next day. There was a precedent set in 30 AD when the saints came out of their graves. Mt. 27:51,52 says, "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did QUAKE, and the rocks rent; And THE GRAVES WERE OPENED; and many bodies of the saints which slept AROSE."

The events at Mt. Sinai may even be a type of the first Rapture at Pentecost. Psa. 68:7, 8 says, "O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah: The EARTH SHOOK, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God, the God of Israel.

The earthquake in Rev. 6:12 seems to happen late on the last day of this age when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky. This is after the sixth seal is broken. Rev. 6:12 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood. As the Millennium starts at 6:00 PM, men will say, "the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand." Small rocks have already fallen (v. 13), but the two larger pieces of the asteroid impact Earth at noon the next day.

I think the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 38:20 is the one that happens at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5; Eze. 25:16; Job 20:23; Amos 8:9) on the first day of the Millennium when the two larger pieces of the asteroid impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10). These hit after the 7th seal is broken as the Millennium begins. Rev. 8:5 says, "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Rev. 11:19 says, "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail....Agape

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Re: Grouping of Planets and Red Aurora on NISAN 1
> > > April 6, 2000, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars. That's interesting. Paul was caught up to "the third heaven" (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) (II Cor. 12:2-7).

> > Yes I saw this. I was on a lake (ice covered). The planets and Moon formed a triangle. But that was not all; in these latitudes (mid Finland) northern lights are fairly rare. As also reported by press, there was a big and beautiful show of northern lights. It was strongest for over a decade, and was special in one respect: there was a red colour in the sky - blood colour to be precise. These both spectacular things occurred simultaneously.

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> > Thanks for sharing this with us. I saw a picture of the red sky in our paper. I saw northern lights occasionally when I lived in Indiana, but never anything like this. I have never seen anything like it in a book, either.
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These events happened exactly on NISAN 1. WOW!!! Is this a hint or what?

Is there a possibility in your opinion that the rapture may happen before passover? Remember, Jesus said "... I will not drink from the fruit of the vine, until I drink it new again in my Father's house..."

He drank the wine before Passover, it maybe that we are taken just before Passover so that the dinner at Passover he blesses the drink and bread again in our presence.

My reply

Not only did this conjunction happen on Nisan 1 (Apr. 6), I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5768 (April 6, 2008).

> > Is there a possibility in your opinion that the rapture may happen before passover?

I think Song of Sol. 2:10-14 shows that the Rapture is after the latter rain of Nisan is over and gone. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (end of May or early June). Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs." The word "places" is not in the Hebrew. It was supplied by the translators. This is the secret of the stairs, as Jacob's ladder implied. Also, speaking of Passion Week, Mk. 11:13 says, "And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for THE TIME OF FIGS WAS NOT YET." Agape

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I obtained this information about the alignment in 2000 from a special on TV called. Mysteries of the Pyramids. They were there with the robots and all. It was very interesting. The people doing it were very excited about there fingings but I don't believe they were as excited as I am. If you catch my drift. I do believe it was on Discovery about a month ago. There are so many things about the Pyramid that are amazing. Each one with its own significance. It seperates Egypt into four equal parts. And also separates all of the Earths land masses into four equal parts. I am truly aware of the significance of the constellations and the way they tie into the big picture that God wants us to see. I just hope and pray through faith that this is the year because It seems that everything is coming together quickly. But if not I will not be disappointed. I am just waiting and watching. And to those watching it looks very probable. Peace and Love in Christ.

PS. I Recommend the book...."Secrets of the Great Pyramid" by Peter Tompkins Harper and Row 1971 Lots of good information that you can take at face value and make of it what you want. Experts say that we could not build the Great Pyramid today even with the technology we have. They say that we could still not be that precise. Truly some sort of divine intervention. I still believe the answer lies in Isaiah 19:19. I pray for you and your studies. A lot of people don't understand why we search so diligently for the coming of our saviour and the answer lies in scripture. 1 Corinthians 16:13 Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

To me this means. Keep your eyes open for the signs of his return, trust the Lord, don't get wrapped up in worldly things, and be strong.

PPS: The spirit led me to my video tapes and I found the tape of the Discovery Channel special. "Mysteries of the Pyramids" I popped it in to get the facts. It had been a month since I watched it. Here are the facts. The southern ventilation shaft out of the Kings Chamber pointed to the stars of Orions belt around the time the Pyramids were built. There are five pyramids on the Egyptian plain. They are arranged like the stars in Orion. They are only missing the top left and bottom right stars of his pant leg and shirt. The belt is there. Giza and the pyramids next to one another. They even contrast the size of the pyramids to the brightness of the stars. The year 2000 i mentioned earlier was off of something else. I guess that is why the spirit led me to the tape. I wouldn't want to pass on bad information. Please forgive me. I really feel that it is time to warn people. My brother and I were talking about this before he passed away just this February. He had some very interesting studies. If you are interested in them let me know. I will do my best to get them across. His funeral was eye-opening for a lot of people. The preacher told everyone that my Brother felt the Rapture was this June. The Preacher didn't laugh. He just said that he respected someone that was looking for the return of Christ. And that judging by the things that were going on in this world he could be right. We should all just repent and be ready when he did come. There were about 50 people that got the message. I feel the Lord used my Brother to reach more people. He was only 34 but he had lived 16 years longer than ever expected. Born an Identical Twin he had open heart surgery at the age of 6. He was given a Pig Valve to replace his along with a Pace Maker. The doctors gave the Pig Valve 12 years. He went through 2 more open heart surgeries, and one more pace maker. In 1994 the doctors told him that he would have to be on the Heart Transplant List or he would die at any moment. He said, "I am just leaving it in the Lords hands." He lasted 6 more years to the doctors amazement. My brother would cough up blood and just keep on trucking. He had to fight for every breath that he ever took. In his last days we were very close. I had found the Lord in a way that I hadn't before and he had gotten into it again. He got our cousin to accept the Lord before he left this place. He always told me that he felt his life was a time line. I just know that I will get to see him soon. Love you BRO. Peace in CHRIST

My reply

Thanks. If the Rapture is not this Pentecost. I will be disappointed, but not discouraged. We are close any way you figure it. PS: I appreciate your sharing this with us. God bless.

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do you have any depictions of cherubim? If so I would like to see them or have you direct me to some that you thing are worthwhile viewing....Thank you

My reply

I think the cherubim are planets. Eze. 1:13 says, "As for the likeness of the living creatures (lively things, the 4 terrestrial planets), their appearance was LIKE BURNING COALS OF FIRE, and LIKE THE APPEARANCE OF LAMPS." They orbit in concentric rings, the wheels within wheels of Eze. 1:16. Agape

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