It is the apex of all human history...We have EYEWITNESSES of the resurrected Christ. The women who went to the tomb, the Apostles, and even over FIVE HUNDRED at one time (cf. 1 Cor. 15:4-8)!...
Many have believed that the natural Jews were cast off because they crucified the Lord. But notice that the Jews were NOT immediately cast off upon their murder of the Messiah. No, Israel's fate was sealed when they rejected THE SIGN OF JONAH (Matt. 12:39-40)! The significance of this ONE "sign" that Jesus promises in our text is not that He would be "in the heart of the earth" (i.e., truly dead) - that would stand to reason for anyone. The implicit shocker here is that Christ LIMITS His time among those who are dead. Every Jew within hearing range of these words KNEW that Jonah did not STAY in the whale, but came forth - after "three days and three nights" - ALIVE.
It was not the preaching of a DEAD Jesus that offended the Jews of that day - they actually preferred Him that way! Rather, it was the post-Pentecost (Acts 2) preaching of the Apostles that signaled the end of the age culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem under Titus in 70 A.D. (prophesied in minute detail by Christ Himself in Matthew 24/Mark 13/Luke 21).
"Babylon," Carol Ann Marshall (20 Apr)
Interesting things brewing at Babylon.com, not the least of which is this news item at their site...
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> > you believe the pope was the beast and not the false prophet. Have you considered that the pope and the catholic church is more likely the woman that rides the beast in Revelation?
Sure. In Scripture, a woman is used to represent a religious group. The Beast heads up the religious group that is the woman that rides the beast, "that great city (now Vatican City, later Babylon), which reigneth over the kings of the earth" (Rev. 17:18). She is called " MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 17:5). All the high priests of the Mystery Religion of Babylon, from the Tower of Babel on, have all been called Pontifex Maximus.
In Rev. 2:22, Jesus said, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." This joining of all religions is not of God. I expect the Rapture will take the salt of the Earth out of her before this joining officially takes place. Salt retards the growth of leaven. When there is not enough salt left to retard the growth of leaven, the whole loaf will become leavened quickly. I Cor. 5:6,7 says, "Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened."
During the Tribulation, there will be two main leaders. Rev. 19:20 calls them "the beast" and "the false prophet." I think the Beast is the one in Rev. 13:2-10, the False Prophet the one in Rev. 13:11-18. The latter is the one that speaks like a dragon, because he is Satan possessed. He is the final Antichrist. The first is "worshipped" (Rev. 13:4) and given power over "all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Rev. 13:7). He is head of both the united nations (or the Federation of the World) and the United Religions.
In the middle of the Tribulation, Satan is cast out of Heaven down to Earth. He enters into the False Prophet and loses no time in going to the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He takes all the powers to himself that belonged to the Beast. Rev. 13:12 says, "he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." This Pope had one assassination attempt on his life May 13, 1981. In the middle of the Tribulation, there will probably be something that incapacitates the Tribulation Pope long enough for the False Prophet to pull off his coup.
However, both men are present in Rev. 19:19,20. It says, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Rev. 17:9-12 says, "The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (the harlot Mystery Babylonian religion) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast (Satan)that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture), even he is the eighth (the tail of the great red dragon), and is of the seven (gives them their power and indwells the 7th), and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour (3 1/2 years, Rev. 11:3) with the beast" (of Rev. 13:2-10).
I think this is a view when the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). The 10 kings of Rev. 13:1 have not yet received their crowns. It is at a time when I think the five that are fallen are Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire. The one that "is" in power at the time of the Rapture rules over the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire--the Pope. I think the Tribulation Pope is the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10. The one that is not yet come is the Jewish False Prophet. He is the wicked one, the "son of perdition" of II Thess. 2:3-9. The Holy Spirit in us, that makes us the salt of the Earth that restrains the growth of leaven, restrains his appearance until we are gone. He will be revealed when he and the Pope confirm the Final Status Peace Covenant as the Tribulation begins.
> > the beast is to be of Jewish descent (see Daniel) and unless the next pope (who could be soon considering John Paul's health) has some Jewish blood, it would seem that he couldn't be the antichrist.
I am guessing that by Daniel, you mean Dan. 11:37: "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers (YHVH), nor the desire of women (to give birth to the Messiah). This is the False Prophet. He "shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" (Dan. 11:36), not the Beast. The False Prophet comes "up out of the earth" (Israel), Rev. 13:11). The Beast comes up out of the sea (nations, Rev. 13:1; 17:15).
Zech. 5:3,4 says, " Then said he unto me, This is the curse (the binary asteroid) that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (i.e., the False Prophet) shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth (i.e., the Beast, the Pope) shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Beast, the Pope, who claims infallibility and to be the vicar of Christ): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."
Zech 5:5-11 says, " what is this that goeth forth...This is an ephah (largest measure for wheat)...This is their resemblance through all the earth (world church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman (religious group) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah (world church). And he said, This is wickedness (probably the non-Christian religions). And he cast it into the midst of the ephah (world church); and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (foundation, the Tower of Babel).
John was shown this moving to Babylon in Rev. 17:3: " So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (desert): and I saw a woman (religious group) SIT upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." She SITS down in the desert (Babylon) when the sixth head (the Beast, the Tribulation Pope) comes to full power over the UN and the UR.
When the 7th head (the False Prophet) comes to power in the middle of the Tribulation, and they shall say, "Behold, he is in the DESERT; go not forth" (Mt. 24:26). It is strange that this Satan-possessed man will dwell at Babylon, which is in the general area of Ur. Abraham was told to leave Ur, and God's people are told to leave UR. Rev. 18:4 says, " Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
What are her plagues? Rev. 18:21 says, " a mighty angel took up a stone (asteroid) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Zech. 5:4 says, "I will bring it (the curse, the asteroid) forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Beast, the Tribulation Pope): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." Agape
In II Cor. 12:2-7, Paul tells of his being caught up to the third heaven, Paradise. He said, " I knew a man (HIMSELF) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet OF MYSELF I WILL NOT GLORY, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD THINK OF ME ABOVE THAT WHICH HE SEETH ME TO BE, or that he heareth of me. And LEST I SHOULD BE EXALTED ABOVE MEASURE through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, LEST I SHOULD BE EXALTED ABOVE MEASURE."
I believe that the third heaven is literally Saturn (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn). Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He also seems to be Lord of the Shabbatai (Saturn), the "bright and morning star" at the Pre-Trib Rapture in the spring. Saturn is an evening star in the fall. Jesus said to overcomers among the churches, "I will give him the morning star." They already have Christ in their hearts. That was not what was meant here. Christ calls himself the morning star because "his place" is on the bright and morning star.
Eze. 1:26-28 says, " And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets that orbit in concentric rings) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has golden clouds), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (rings)round about. As the appearance of the bow (Saturn's rings, also made up of sunlight on ice crystals) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., around the planet). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."
Zech. 3:9,10, in the Septuagint, says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, rings). Saturn has 7 rings. Not only that, it is the 7th lamp of the candlestick. Josephus indicated that the lamps represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
North can refer to upward, as we call the top of a map North. However, in the pictorial gospel written in the stars, North does point to POLARIS, under to foot of the King of kings represented by CEPHEUS. The center, around which the Zodiac seems to turn has changed over time from THUBAN, in DRACO, to POLARIS, in THE LESSER SHEEPFOLD (the Little Dipper). The highest authority has shifted from the dragon to the "little flock" in the Lord's LESSER SHEEPFOLD and their Lord Jesus Christ, represented by CEPHEUS. Both are close together in the highest area, which represents Heaven, in the pictorial gospel in the stars. I feel that we are close to being caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, when this picture will become more of a reality than it is at present. Agape
Dear Marilyn and Ed, Thank you both so much for ministering to the Body of Christ with the soothing Oil of the Holy Spirit’s Loving Power. I appreciate what The Lord has allowed to be revealed through your faithfulness. Your family is always in our prayers.
In pro & con 461, I had made the following statements and asked the following questions:
"Jesus' first prophecy is recorded in John 1:49-51, and the first miracle Jesus performed is written in John 2. There is a gap of vital information missing between Jesus Christ's first prophecy & His first miracle. Jesus' first prophecy is also recorded in Genesis 28:12 & Revelation 4:1 proving He is the Beginning & the End, the First & the Last, and the Alpha & Omega.... John intentionally leaves out crucial details of Jesus Christ's ministry between verse 51 & chapter 2. At the beginning or early part of Jesus Christ's ministry, did Jesus' first prophetic Word & His first miracle occur between...(i.e. Genesis 28:12, Daniel 12:3, Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, Luke 20:35-38, Galatians 3:28, Revelation 5:9-10, etc.)?
Well, I believe I found the answer. I kept thinking of the connection of John 1:51 and chapter 2 as being an example of the Pre-Trib rapture instead of seeing it as two separate events of the Raptures of His Resurrection (i.e. Pre-Trib Rapture and Pre-Wrath Rapture). I just was not able to put it together until recently. His first prophecy is His first miracle . . . because Yeshua’s Word is LIFE. Yeshua is the Firstfruits of the Raptures of the Resurrection because HE IS THE RESURRECTION. John 1:50 is a future event of His Prophetic Word as the Pre-Trib Rapture is at hand. John 1:51 is also a future event of His Prophetic Word as it appears this is a Pre-Trib Rapture Scripture. John 2:1-10 is not a parable but occurred when Jesus walked the Earth 2000 years ago and is a TYPE of the Marriage Supper foreSHADOWing a Pre-Wrath Rapture. John 2:1-10 is like a metaphoric parable foreshadowing the eventual Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The gap of vital information or crucial details left out between verse 51 & chapter 2 is His Prophetic Word of Revelation 4:1 through Revelation 19:6-10. One could literally place Revelation 4:1 through Revelation 19:6-10 in between verse 51 & chapter 2. The scriptural sequence of future prophetic events would look something like this:
Pre-Trib Rapture Scriptures (John 1:51, Revelation 4:1)
John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see HEAVEN OPEN, and the Angels of God ascending (Raptures of the Resurrection, Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath) and descending (Post-Trib, Second Advent, Second Coming) upon the Son of man.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, BEHOLD, a DOOR was OPENED in HEAVEN: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
. . . THROUGH . . .
Pre-Wrath Rapture Scriptures (Revelation 19:6, John 2:1-10)
Rev 19:6-10 6 And I heard as it were the Voice of a great Multitude, and as the Voice of many Waters, and as the Voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.7 Let us be glad and REJOICE, and give honour to him: for the Marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, BLESSED are they which are called unto the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.
John 2:1-10 1 And the third day there was a Marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: 2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. 3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. 5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. 6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. 7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with Water. And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he saith unto them, DRAW OUT now (see pro & con 486 on Two Fishy Harvests, Pre-Trib, Lk 5:1-10 and Pre-Wrath, Jn 21:1-14), and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. 9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the Bridegroom, 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Please let me know what you think. What does the Holy Spirit reveal to you in regards to the above mentioned scriptures?
In addition, I did not realize until recently all the blessings that are promised to ED by the Lord (twist of scripture for humor, pardon the pun; Proverbs 15:13-15 & 17:22, Eccl 9:7-13, Jer 1:9). I am sure this will Bless-ED. What is your opinion on the following as:
Pre-Trib Rapture Scriptures (Matthew 5:1-10, John 1:51, Revelation 4:1)
Matt 5:1-10 1 And seeing the Multitudes, he went up into a Mountain: and when he was Set, his Disciples Came unto him: 2 And he OPENED His MOUTH, and taught them, saying, 3 BlessED are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 BlessED are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5 BlessED are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6 BlessED are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7 BlessED are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8 BlessED are the pure in heart: for they shall SEE GOD (i.e. Matthew 18:10, Mark 10:14-16). BlessED are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the Children of God (i.e. Genesis 28:12, Daniel 12:3, Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, Luke 20:35-38, Galatians 3:28, Revelation 5:9-10, etc.) BlessED are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake (i.e. like Job’s afflictions): for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
. . . THROUGH . . .
Pre-Wrath Rapture Scriptures (Matt 5:11-12, Revelation 19:6, John 2:1-10)
Matt 5:11-12 11 BlessED are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 REJOICE, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
The same thing also occurs in the following passage as well:
Pre-Trib Rapture Scriptures (Psalms 23:1-3, Matthew 5:1-10, John 1:51, Revelation 4:1)
Psalms 23:1-3 1 The LORD is my Shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he Leadeth me beside the still waters (living water). 3 He Restoreth my soul: he Leadeth me in the Paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
. . . THROUGH the Mid-Tribulation . . .
Psalms 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Pre-Wrath Rapture Scriptures (Psalms 23:5-6, Matt 5:11-12, Revelation 19:6, John 2:1-10)
Psalms 23:5-6 5 Thou Preparest a Table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
The Pre-Trib RAPTURE PRAYER is in the following passage too:
Pre-Trib Rapture Scriptures (Matt 6:9-12, Ps 23:1-3, Matt 5:1-10, John 1:51, Rev 4:1)
Matt 6:9-12 & half of 13 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
. . . THROUGH . . .
Pre-Wrath Rapture Scriptures (Matt 6:13, Ps 23:5-6, Matt 5:11-12, Rev 19:6, John 2:1-10)
. . . Matt 6:13 For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen....
JESUS IS COMING!!! WHO WILL BE READY WHEN THE CRY GOES OUT AT MIDNIGHT WHEN THE BRIDEGROOM COMES NEAR DAWN? AGAPE & MARANATHA...
Nathanael means gift of God. The Pre-Trib Rapture is a gift of God. In Rev. 22:12, Jesus said, "behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
In Jn. 1:49, Nathanael had just said, "Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel." That statement was his ticket to participate in the Rapture. All his sins were forgiven at that moment. Therefore, in v. 51, Jesus told him, "Verily, verily (Amen, amen, so be it, so it is), I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see HEAVEN OPEN ('A DOOR WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN,' Rev. 4:1), and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man."
This is like Jacob's ladder in Gen. 28:12. He "dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the EARTH, and the top of it reached to HEAVEN: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it." In v. 17, Jacob said, "this is none other but the HOUSE OF GOD, and THIS IS THE GATE OF HEAVEN." This is similar to Mt. 7:13's "Enter ye in at THE STRAIT GATE." It may tie in with Eze. 41:2's description of the TEMPLE. It says, "the breadth of the DOOR was TEN CUBITS." This may also tie in with Rev. 2:10's "ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS." It is possible that the "OPEN DOOR" of Rev. 3:8 is open 10 days, from the anniversary of Jesus' Ascension Day to Pentecost.
Song of Sol. 2:13,14 says, " ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (in Christ), in the secret places of the STAIRS." The word "places" is not in the original. This is the Pre-Trib Rapture, THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS, like Jacob's ladder.
> > There is a gap of vital information missing between Jesus Christ's first prophecy & His first miracle.
Probably because there is a gap between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Marriage of the Lamb in Cana (possession) of Galilee (revolution of the wheel, circle, i.e., an orbiting sphere, Heaven).
> > One could literally place Revelation 4:1 through Revelation 19:6-10 in between verse 51 & chapter 2.
That's a pretty good indication that the Rapture is Pre-Trib. Of course, Rev. 4:1 does say, "COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER."
> > Two Fishy Harvests, Pre-Trib, Lk 5:1-10 and Pre-Wrath, Jn 21:1-14
It is interesting that at the first fish harvest, "they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and THEIR NET BRAKE." This allows the foolish Laodicean virgins to fall out of the net. In the second instance, there were 153 fish, "yet was NOT THE NET BROKEN." All believers will be in Heaven by the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52).
> > (Jn. 2:) 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
In Mt. 26:29 Jesus said, "I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom." Therefore, the Marriage at Cana definitely stands for the Marriage of the Lamb in the Father's kingdom.
> > I did not realize until recently all the blessings that are promised to ED by the Lord (twist of scripture for humor, pardon the pun...3 BlessED are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 BlessED are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5 BlessED are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Josh. 22:34 says, "And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called the altar Ed: for it shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God." Ed means witness, and he is a witness for God.
You pretty well covered it on the rest. Agape
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