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Posted 4-30-00

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Re: Another Sign of the end of the age
This peace of news is rather disturbing but is obviously a prelude to the coming tribulation, this leaves me in no doubt that the rapture is imminent indeed. Australia' s new Anglican Archbishop in a recent interview with a major magazine over Easter on the significance of Easter for todays people stated that, it is no longer believed that Christ is the only way of reconciling with God, that it is questionable as to whether Jesus physically died on the cross and that it was more likely just a metaphor intended to communicate a message to the Jews alive at the time. He also said we should not reject other religions which had a different interpretation of God. I don't know about you but this smacks of Tribulation philosophy to me, it scared the living daylights out of ---, she said she never thought she would hear the day when a church leader would make these claims, that it is like watching a movie and it could not be really happening. All I can say is Jesus is on his way, I'll be lookng up on June 9/10.

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Thank you for this news. Of course, it is Tribulation philosophy, but that figures, since the United Religions (UR) arrives officially with the signing of the charter on June 26, 2000. Abraham was told to leave Ur, and Rev. 18:4 really tells God's people to get out of UR, whose headquarters will be built at Babylon. It says, " Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Why? Rev. 18:2 tells us plainly, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."

Jesus said that we are the salt of the Earth. Salt, in bread making, retards the growth of leaven (symbol of evil). Once we are raptured, there won't be enough salt left to keep this leaven from leavening the whole loaf. The disciples finally caught on to what Jesus was telling them. Mt. 16:11,12 says, "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." We must beware of the antichristian doctrine of the UR.

This leaven started to grow at the Tower of Babel and will culminate when the world church (UR) moves back to the land of Shinar (Gen. 11:2). Zech. 5:10,11 says, "Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? (largest measure for wheat, i.e., the world church, v. 6) And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base."

Everything is falling right into place. The Final Status Peace Agreement (Dan. 9:27) is to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. All that will remain then is for the Beast and False Prophet to confirm it as the Seventieth Week of Daniel/Tribulation starts, I think, on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. Sept. 13, 2000 is the end of the 7 good years that began when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. The 7 bad years end Sept. 13, 2007. That will be the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14), counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

I think it will be the day the asteroids of Rev. 6:8,10 impact Earth, wiping out Babylon in one hour. Rev. 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." I thank the Lord that Psa. 91:8 says, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked."

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FWD: SYDNEY, Australia - A plague of locusts of biblical proportions, estimated at 100 billion-strong, is on the move through the Australian outback, threatening everything in its path...worst in 20 years - follows record rains and the greening of normally arid expanses.... Four airplanes and five helicopters are currently spraying vast areas..."If it gets to the extreme, they tend to attack anything that's green, including green clothes," said Geoff File of the New South Wales agriculture ...department.The Australian plague locust commission said there were massive swarms on both sides of the continent. This was a particularly unusual event which has seen Western Australia's wheat belt, the rangelands of Queensland, as well as South Australia and New South Wales affected.

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< < Joseph which means (Jehovah has added, increase, or addition) is a type of Christ and Christian. I think MOST recognize that. Below is Joseph's revealing from God of the chief butler's dream. The definition of (chief butler 8248) has more to do with water and cupbearer...It was an honored position of the king. Also this word is used in Gen 2:6 God (watered 8248) the whole face of the ground. There is implied pouring so it is a type of Holy Spirit which is poured out onto us.

Could it indicate the return of Christ after 3 days?

< < Gen 40:9 And the (chief butler 8248) told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, In my dream, behold, a vine was before me; 10 And in the vine were three branches: and it was as though it budded, and her blossoms shot forth; and the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes: 11 And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand. 12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: 13 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and (restore 7725: also to return = implied Christ's return) thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler. (8248 shaqah): 1) to give to drink, irrigate, drink, water, cause to drink water)

Yes, "also to return = implied Christ's return."

> > This revealing dream has to do with the future. The three branches (Gen 40:12) are the branches of the vine of Christ that have been grafted in. The three days which are the three branches (same verse 12) are the reason Christ was in the grave three days. Note the exact wording "within three days" is used exactly 7 times in the Bible (of course), but once in the NT: Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. This means that from Christ's death there are three of God's days (2 Peter 3:8 = 3000 years) and he will "build" and finish his temple. We also have three "days" of Joseph to restore us. These are the three "days" of the son of man (Luke 17:22,26)....

> > One is as the days of Noah. One is as the days of Lot. One is the last (great) day or the (8th day) of the Feast of Ingathering after the (7th day) 1000 year millennium...

I understand what you are saying, but another idea flashed through my head. What if the THREE DAYS to "'build' and finish his temple" of his Body represent the THREE YEARS in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9? In the parable, Jesus speaks only in the 3rd year. In the days of the Crucifixion, Jesus RETURNED in the "third day since." Lu. 24:21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done." Could Pentecost, 1998 (in the 6000th year, 5758, the 480th year of the Modern Parallels) be as the first day, Pentecost, 1999 as the second day, and Pentecost, 2000 as the 3rd day? Christ RETURNED on the third day. That was the sign of Jonah, who also RETURNED on the third day. Will Christ RETURN for his Bride on Pentecost, 2000?

The Sign of the End of the Age, 1967 + 33.5 years (Jesus' age at the Resurrection) = 2000.5. Jesus began his ministry at 30 (1967 + 30 = 1997, when the Jewish 5758 began). 1997 + 3 = 2000. 2000 is the 7th of the 7 good years that started when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993 too. 1993 + 7 = 2000. Things begin to add up.

The United Religions charter is to be signed June 26, 2000. The Final Status Peace Agreement is to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. All things seem to be falling into place. Will the salt of the Earth be caught up before the UR charter is signed? Abraham (father of a great multitude) came out of Ur. Will we come out of UR just in the nick of time?

Rev. 17:11-14 says, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he (the great red dragon) is the eighth (Satan), and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM (at the Rapture) are CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

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What Day Is Pentecost 2000?...

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Pentecost is figured differently by different people. The Jews keep it on Sivan 6 and 7, which will be June 9 and 10, 2000. I favor Saturday, Sivan 7th, but would not rule out the 6th. Someone figured that if the Rapture were to happen at 3 AM on Sivan 7 in Jerusalem, it would be Sivan 6 or 7 throughout the world. Some think Pentecost should always be on Sunday, so that would include June 11, 2000.

The Time Zones link on my link page is You should be able to check time any place in the world. Someone told me I was 10 hours behind Jerusalem, and I'm in California.

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Subject: The Two Raptures
I am a student of the scripture as you but not with your knowledge. I have had your book for some time but never read it. Happens sometimes I buy an interesting book and forget to read it. I'm reading it now and I was wondering where the idea of two raptures comes from. I was always under the impression from scripture that those who are present in Rev. 7: 9,14 are those who were killed during the tribulation. I don't see any evidence of a second rapture anywhere.

The following is from your website as a reference.

Those caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are those "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the first seal is broken that begins the Tribulation. Those caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture are the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" seen before the throne in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14 before the seventh seal is broken in Rev. 8. "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). God Bless you

My reply

Nu. 10:2-4 pictures two Raptures. It says, " Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, and for the JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (Rapture 2). And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee." These are the elders of Rev. 4:4 (Rapture 1). They are the Representatives of all the saints present before the throne in Rev. 5:9.

I Thess. 4:13-18 is the FIRST trump of God. I Cor. 15:51,52 is the "last trump" of God. The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. Rain fell the same day Noah entered into the Ark, but no fire fell. The last trump is as the days of Lot. Lu. 17:29 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." The first Rapture is before the first seal is broken to start the Tribulation. The second Rapture is just before the seventh seal is broken on the Day of God's Wrath.

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Thank you for responding Marilyn. By the way, I picked up your book "Revelations 2000" the other day at Crown Books.

Here is my situation, that prompted me to write what I did. Almost 10 years ago, I "hit bottom" in alcoholism. I didn't have the will to go on. It was a very painful, terrifying experience. It brought me to my knees, and I prayed for Gods help. And He helped me. Infact, my whole life changed. For the next 3 or 4 years, I had a close conscious contact with Him, and life was wonderful. Truly wonderful, full of miracle like I described in my earlier email. I was in the military, and at about 3 years sober, I was transfered out of state. My girlfriend joined me, and we were wed. I got out of the service, and went to work. I got very wrapped up in my life and slowly wandered away from God. Life went on, but not like it was when I was walking "in the sunlight of the Spirit". We have recently returned home to southern California, and I happened to pick up the book "Left Behind". Now, I have always been drawn to prophecy - from my earliest memories, I can remember being absolutely facinated with it. Having read "Left Behind", the fire inside me was rekindled. I found your web page, and suddenly, the lights all came on. I nearly panicked, because I knew that I was not walking with God. It is an odd feeling, to know in your heart what is comming, and know that you aren't going. So, I have been on a mission to regain that relationship with God that I had in the early days of my sobriety. The problem is, it doesn't seem to be happening. Or atleast not very quickly. I thought that perhaps I should "return to my first love" - that which established my relationship in the first place. My relationship IS growing. But slowly. And I guess I thought that if I were having this problem, there may be others in the same boat.

As for the oil - I stand corrected - the oil is the Holy Spirit, not the personal relationship. But, I still feel that the oil is the result of the relationship. Otherwise, I would just be in a position of waiting around for oil. And once I received it, then I could have a personal relationship. Maybe that is just semantics, and hairsplitting on my part.

Marilyn, I want to thank you for all of the work you do, and for your willingness to share with the rest of us.

My reply

Bless you. The Lord loves a willing heart. You sound like you will make it out of here in the first Rapture. The Lord has given us some "space to repent" (Rev. 2:21). We all need to be sure we take advantage of it to get right with God.

Jesus washed Peter's feet. Peter didn't understand the symbolism. After "Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me," Peter then told the Lord to wash his hands and head also. "Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit" (Jn. 13:6-10). We need to let Jesus wash our feet. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness. Then we are "clean every whit."

II Pet. 3:9 assures us that "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (metanoeo, a change of the mind, to reconsider, think differently)." In speaking of repentance, R.B Thieme also mentioned, "Turn around."

In Rev. 3:14-22, Jesus is speaking to the Laodicean foolish virgins. In v. 19, he tells them, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." In the preceding verse, he gives them good advise. He says, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity, i.e., the Holy Spirit) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment (righteousness), that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

The first step is what you have already done, to realize you need to do something. The second step is to confess all sins the Holy Spirit brings to mind that you have committed but have not confessed since you accepted Christ. With the sin barrier out of the way between you and God, you will be close again. You will be in fellowship. Tell him you want to be filled with his Holy Spirit. Then obey Lu. 21:36. Jesus said, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Lu. 15:7 says, "I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to test him like wheat. We are wheat, and every time we take an upward step spiritually, we seem to be tested. Be firm and determined, and it will soon be over. Cursing will turn to blessing. Agape

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My wife bought a "SkyWatchers 2000" Calendar, produced by Mr. Stan Shadick. It has an excellent discussion of the alignments this month. I have attached two picture files in gif format...These scans were done directly by me from the calendar, therefore they can not possibly contain any virus...

Here is my paraphrasing of the text of the Calendar: This May 5, an alignment occurs that spans 26 degrees of angle in the sky. Since the Sun appears at the centre of this celestial massing, it's glare will make the spectacle invisible to most observers. From Earth, only Mars and the one-day old new Moon are far enough from the Sun's glare to be seen briefly befroe they set during evening twilight. After the moon moves out of the picture, the planets concentrate further, reaching a minimum seperation of only 19 degrees at 3:30 AM PDST on May 17. THE VIEW FROM SPACE WOULD NOW BE ESPECIALLY SPECTACULAR FOR A TRAVELLER LOOKING DOWN ON THE SOLAR SYSTEM!! There is one traveller coming here for sure, HIs name is Jesus Christ!! (refer to the maymen2.gif scan). It is fascinating that except for the Earth, it is an exact rendition of the Menorah that Josephus described!

Do you discern anything about May 17th?...

My reply

Thanks. The pictures are great. Wow! if we could see the conjunction on May 17, it would be spectacular. The 3 brightest planets, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn are very close together.

I don't know anything about May 17 other than it is Iyar 12 on the Jewish calendar.

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You sure go out on a limb trying to predict God's hand. Much like Noah, you must be the point of ridicule from many, even believers.

Following are a couple items I'd like you to respond to when you get a chance, particularly #1. Item #2 is really just me sharing some thoughts with you - I'd say "Think out of the Box" but I hate that saying :). I recommend you put your response to #1 up on your website for all to see as this must be a common topic you run up against all the time. Perhaps you already have and I just need to be pointed in the right direction.

1: Without digressing into your detailed prophecy (I've read most of it already and trying to come up to speed with your 40 years head-start), I would like to hear concisely where scripture tells us or implies that we should know the time of Tribulation/Rapture/Wrath. Many point to the verse " one shall know the time..." (please tell me the verse as I'm sure you've answered this question a million times before) or several others quoted by Jesus in the Gospels.

Basically, how do you respond to others in Christ, who challenge that we are not to know the time of his coming? [This seems to be the major credibility obstacle when I tell others about your studies.]...

I admire your relentless pursuit of God and excitement to correlate scripture to present day events. When we studied Daniel it was amazing how prophecy revealed itself. Yet there is no way I would have picked it up myself. Heck, the people of the day couldn't even grasp it. Yet looking back it went exactly to plan (the horrific history prophesized in Daniel isn't even taught in public school - makes one wonder why). The first time I read your Rapture 2000 report it grabbed me. You have presented me with many new ideas to investigate and new excitement to study scripture harder - unfortunately, if you're right, there isn't much more time to study it. I thank you for sharing your insight and I challenge you to not limit your thinking to this physical world we live in, but look beyond it because our God is an awesome and powerful God.

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> > I would like to hear concisely where scripture tells us or implies that we should know the time of Tribulation/Rapture/Wrath. Many point to the verse " one shall know the time..."

Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." The word :knoweth" is present tense. It was true when stated.

Jesus Christ is both man and God. A mere man didn't know. As God, Christ knew. He made the plans before the world began. In Mal. 4:2, Christ is the Sun of righteousness. It says, "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings." Psa. 104:19 says, " the sun knoweth his going down."

The Jewish month and day of the month of the Second Advent were already in the OT. Eze. 29:17 set the time: " first month, in the first day of the month." Then v. 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1, first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Logos, Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

I Pet. 1:10-12 says, " the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the GRACE that should COME UNTO YOU: SEARCHING what, or WHAT MANNER OF TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that NOT UNTO THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO US they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven."

In Mk. 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS." Everything is there. We just have to search for the clues. Prov. 2:2-5 says, "apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for HID TREASURES; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God." In Lu. 18:7,17 Jesus said, "For NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."

In Acts 1:7,8, Jesus told the apostles, " It is not for you (apostles) to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power (to know), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you." Ever since Pentecost, 30 AD, the church has had the power to know the things that are spiritually discerned. However, until the Sign of the End of the Age (the Six-Day War of 1967) there was no way to drop the schedule of end-time events into our calendar. From that day on, we can figure these things out.

The framework was set up by Jesus in the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. After the disciples had asked him what would be the sign of the end of the age, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion for grafting, i.e, modern Israel) is yet tender (no more than 19, as when they came out of Egypt), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5, summer June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (there are 2 Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." A generation in Mt. 23:36 was 40 years, from 30 AD to 70 AD. 1967 + 40 years is the end of this age and the beginning of the Millennium.

The first day of the millennial Day of the Lord is on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 2:1-3). Tishri 1, 5768 is Sept. 13, 2007. That is the Day of God's Wrath. I think that before that are 7 good years and 7 bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt. They started to be counted when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. The Final Status Peace Agreement is to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. We seem to be running out of time.

The shortened Tribulation lasts 2300 days (Dan. 8:14). Counting by Jewish inclusive reckoning, the Tribulation/Seventieth Week of Daniel should start on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001. I think the Beast and False Prophet will CONFIRM (Dan. 9:27) the Final Status Peace Agreement on Pentecost, 2001.

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I'm new to the computer and new to your site. I really love it! I'm sure this has been considered by you already but if it hasn't--- Song of Songs 2; 17, which is soon after the verse you often quote about the winter being past, "Until the day break and the shadows flee away, turn thou my beloved, be thou like a "roe" or a young "hart" on the mountains of Bether." In my Bible studies of this beautiful book' the roe or hart represented Christ in his speed to receive us, also the word Bether means separation in Hebrew. This Could represent Christ at the pre-Trib Rapture. The roe and hart are mentioned again the last verse, Chap 8 ; 14. " Make haste, [pleading} my beloved, and be thou like a roe or to a young hart upon the Mountain of Spices. This could be the Lords Return at the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of the age.

Also about Children raised in a Christian home who are under 10 and might not have really received the lord as Savior yet, do you feel they will go in the first rapture? Another question, What about those who are mentally Ill and know the Lord as much as possible, but are sometimes confused and difficult, will they go in the first rapture? Thses questions are important to me personally Marilyn and if you don't know the answere maybe you can direct me o some help. i love you sister and God's riches graces be yours!

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> > "Until the day break and the shadows flee away, turn thou my beloved, be thou like a "roe" or a young "hart" on the mountains of Bether." In my Bible studies of this beautiful book ' the roe or hart represented Christ in his speed to receive us, also the word Bether means separation in Hebrew.

Bless you. Not many look up the meaning of Bether. I have written it in my study Bibles. It goes with Song 6:13: " What will ye see in the Shulamite? As it were the company of TWO ARMIES." There are two Raptures. That is why twins are often mentioned in the Song. I don't remember which version has "dance" of the two armies, but that is pretty good. Song of Sol. soes seem to be a dance of the two Rapture groups. Christ being symbolized by a roe or a young hart suggests coming at the two Raptures.

Song. 2:9,10 says, " My beloved (Christ) is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind OUR WALL, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice. My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY" (Rapture 1). Wall is a clue. In 8:10, the Bride says, "I AM A WALL, and my breasts like (symbolic language) towers" (churches, ekklesia, called out ones, i.e., the Bride is made up of the "called, and chosen, and faithful" [Rev. 17:14] from the two Raptures). Rev. 21:14 says of New Jerusalem (the Bride, v. 9), "And the WALL of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." These are 12 of the elders seen in Heaven in Rev. 4:4.

Song. 8:9 mentions little sister, "if she be a DOOR." New Jerusalem has "the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel" upon the GATES (Rev. 21:12). The other 12 elders are the 12 patriarchs of Israel. Some of both groups Raptured are part of the Bride of Christ. The 144,000 are also "virgins...without fault before the throne of God" (Rev. 14:4,5).

I feel confident that children under the age of accountability (13 to Jews) belonging to parents going in the Rapture and anyone that is mentally deficient will be caught up in the first Rapture...Agape

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