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Posted 5-3-00

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Re: Saturn being Heaven
> > I still don't get the planetary tie ins...I'm having the toughest time following your rationale - to be honest, it seems a stretch to me. Maybe we'll get to delve into this further before it's all explained to us firsthand. I do feel a conviction that there is a lot of merit to your time predictions. Thanks for the insight and God bless.

My reply

Let's start with Ezekiel's visions of the cherubim in chapters 1 and 10. I spent 7 years reading about an 18" stack of books every week from BIOLA's Seminary Collection trying to find out what the cherubim represent there and in Gen. 3:24, where they are placed to the east of Eden. It says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." I also wanted to know what the flaming sword represented. I couldn't find satisfactory answers anywhere in man's books about the Bible. Frustrated and at the end of my rope, I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and said, "Lord! you'll have to show me. I want to know everything you want man to know about the Bible, all the deep things--everything!"

Laying man's writings about it aside, I started looking up every word in Ezekiel's visions in Strong's Concordance and Lexicons. My first ray of light was when I found out that the "fire infolding itself, and a brightness (nogahh, sunlight) was about it" was the Sun. Gesenius says, "shining splendour, as of fire, Isa. 4,5; of the sun." Whew! Goose bumps! Ezekiel said "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." He really meant what he said. The vision is of the heavens, and he did get a vision of God on his heavenly throne. Look up, what could he have seen?

I got the second ray of light from Eze. 1:15: "Now as I beheld the living creatures (literally lively things, i.e., moving things, i.e., planets that move against the backdrop of stationary stars), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the earth." One of these 4 cherubim was the Earth. Verse 16 says, "The appearance of the wheels (orbits) and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel (orbit) in the middle of a wheel (orbit)." These four are the terrestrial planets that orbit the Sun in concentric circles. Verse 13 says, " their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps." One of these, Mars, is farther out in space than we are, i.e., Mars is the first heaven of the three mentioned in II Cor. 12:2-4.

Their extremities (outer edges) are round "like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass" (1:7) as they reflected the sunlight. They had outer layers as of "man" (adam, red clay) on all sides (1:8). They rotate and face the four directions as they orbit, so they "turned every way," just as the flaming sword (chereb, destroying weapon, i.e., an asteroid, Rev. 8:8,10) of Gen. 3:24 did. The four faces are the same as were on the banners the Israelites placed at the cardinal compass points when they camped in concentric circles (as Josephus indicated) around the Tabernacle, of which the Holy of Holies represented Heaven. The four faces represent north, south, east and west.

Eze. 1:26-28 says, " And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than Mars) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's), as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has golden clouds), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., the ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain (sunlight reflecting on ice crystals), so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., the ring system). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo. That is fitting. Then I think the first heaven of II Cor. 12:2-4 is Mars, the second, Jupiter, and the third, Saturn.

Zech. 3:9,10 in the Septuagint says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings). Saturn does have seven rings. Seven is God's number of perfection, so it is appropriate.

There were once 10 planets. They were represented by the 10 widths of the curtain covering the Tabernacle. They had cherubim embroidered on them so we could make the association. Ex. 26:1 says, "Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with TEN CURTAINS of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with CHERUBIMS of cunning work shalt thou make them.."

Eze. 28:12-16 speaks to Satan as the king of Tyrus (the rock, i.e., his planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt). It says, " Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king (Satan) of Tyrus (the rock), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God (both the earthly and heavenly Edens); every precious stone (planet) was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (1. Mercury), topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (7. SATURN), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold (10. Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards); and I have set thee so (in Gen. 3:24): thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (on Rahab). Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering (guarding) cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire" (from Rahab, and later, from a piece of it, an asteroid, which is the "flaming sword" of Gen. 3:24. Both the cherubim (planets) and the flaming sword rise in the east.

Isa. 51: 9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

II Ki. 19:15 says, "And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth." Is Saturn between two planets? You bet. Did Christ make heaven and earth? You bet. Jn. 1:3 says, "All things were made by him."

You may think all this is "a stretch," but I challenge you to find a better explanation of these verses.

Also, think about these signs for a minute. May 5th and 17th, we are going to have planetary lineups. Involved are the Sun and the same planets Josephus indicated the candlestick stood for, 1. Sun, 2, Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter, and 7. Saturn. The ancients called the Sun a planet because it moved along the ecliptic as the planets do. The first planetary lineup also has the Moon in it.

Last year, we had 2 new stars and the biggest, most violent gamma ray burster ever seen. It was on Jan. 23, 1999, exactly, to the day, 49 years from the first meeting of the Knesset, when they declared Jerusalem the capitol of Israel on Jan. 23, 1950. To beat all, the first new star was Nova Velorum, seen in the sails of the ship ARGO (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS) on May 22, which was Sivan 7--PENTECOST. This ship, like Noah's Ark, represents Christ, our Saviour. It has a representation of his face at the water line and a Ram's head above on the prow. The sails are reefed. It is backing into the dock. The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Will this symbolic ship dock on Sivan 7, 5760 (June 10, 2000)--Pentecost?

Lu. 21:25,28 says, " And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

As I said before, I think Saturn is the throne of Jesus Christ, but that is not all there is. All the universe cannot contain God. Agape

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Re: Carnal Christians?
I really enjoy reading your web site, keep up the Lord's good work. I do however have a problem with the two rapture theory. If I understand correctly, you believe the pre-trib rapture is for (spiritual) Christians, and the latter is for (carnal) Christians. I submit to you that ALL Christians are carnal to some degree and yet are saved not of ourselves it is the GIFT of God. The idea that some deserve a sooner rapture then others seems to go against the completeness of Jesus's sacrifice on the cross!, not to mention God's aforementioned gift. Lets remember, All sin and fall short...

My reply

Why then, in Jn. 13:8, did Jesus tell Peter what he did? "Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, IF I WASH THEE NOT, THOU HAST NO PART WITH ME."

"Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed (i.e., saved) NEEDETH not save to WASH HIS FEET, but is clean every whit" (Jn. 13:9,10). Do we need to wash our feet, or not?

Why, in Rev. 7:14, do we find those "which came out of great tribulation, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB"? What made their robes dirty?

Why does Jas. 1:23 say, "others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the GARMENT SPOTTED BY THE FLESH"?

Why did Jesus say to the Laodiceans (which means people of judgment), "because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to BUY OF ME gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Rev. 3:16-19)? They have to be in Christ to be vomited out of his mouth. He didn't mince his words. Emesai means vomit. They are as the bad figs in Jer. 24:2 that "could not be eaten, they were so bad." Aren't bad figs spued out of one's mouth?

Why are the foolish virgins left behind when the Bridegroom comes (Mt. 25)?

Why is "a man which had not on a wedding garment" cast out when the "wedding is ready" in Mt. 22:8f? Verses 13 and 14 say, "there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For many are called, but few are chosen."

What does Lu. 12:46 mean? It says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (2300 days, Dan. 8:14, out of the 2520 days of the Tribulation) with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

The two Raptures are, respectively, as the days of Noah and as the days of Lot. In the first, rain (symbol of the Spirit of Christ) fell. In the second, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all" (Lu. 17:29).

> > I submit to you that ALL Christians are carnal to some degree and yet are saved

True, the Lord is the judge, but those with the Lord at the first Rapture are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). The rest will get to Heaven, but some only by the skin of their teeth. They will be saved so as by fire at the second Rapture, the "last trump." I Cor. 3:15 says, "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." We would be better off to go at the first trump. Agape

Note: I forgot to ask him why we should pray that we would be accounted worthy to escape. Lu. 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

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...Have enjoyed reading your thoughts.I'm a very new boy with this toy,but an active old boy with the Word.Studied Theology 1946-50 in NZ and Australia,but chose business career instead.Have long held passion for prophetic scriptures.Feel this year could see rapture.

Wonderful to have this medium for idea exchange.We've seen many old ideas changed or modified in past 50years,but I feel there are still a few that need some fine tuning.

One is the clinging confusion between times devoted to Israel and those to the Church in Daniel 9's 70th week,as many are still reading the 3 1/2 church tribulation into the first half of those 7 yrs. As I see it the church trib is in the church age and the final time of trib to the Jews is in their own 70th week.

The rapture happens to the Philadelphia church,which is followed by the 7th& final Laodicean(during the trib.)BEFORE THE 70TH WEEK STARTS.

I was awakened early one morning,July'98,by a strong urge to find pencil and paper to start sketching something I was being shown.With hardly a misplaced pencil mark, I saw a pattern of 7years from Israel's rebirth to the Kingdom reign. This nearly blew my mind because date or time setting wasn't my thing,and I felt that it would not allow enoughbtime for expected events .I prayed either for confirmation or to be shown flaws to disprove what I'd seen,but I have only had reassurances.

may/1948 - may/1997 (jubilee) = 49 years
may/1997 - Nov/2000 (RAPTURE) = 3 1/2 years
Nov/2000 - may/2004 (resurrection) = 3 1/2 years
may/2004 - Nov/2007 Ab of Desolation = 3 1/2 years
may/2007 - may/2011 2nd coming = 3 1/2 years
may/2011 - may/2018 Kingdom = 7 years
TOTAL = 70 years
I still believe we must see the rise of the antichrist (the human) before the great day as statedin 2 Thess.2 and Daniel 8. A major sign will the economic collapse as in James 5 where patience is called for, as the Lord's coming is at hand! I continue to watch!

My reply

> > The rapture happens to the Philadelphia church, which is followed by the 7th & final Laodicean (during the trib.) BEFORE THE 70TH WEEK STARTS.

I think The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the Rapture is "at hand." It is "at hand" in the first chapter (1:3) and in the last chapter (22:10), and Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:11). Therefore, I think the messages to the 7 churches are given when the door of Heaven opens in Rev. 3:8. They include some past history, but each account is stretched up to the present too.

It is possible that the "open door" set before the Philadelphians (meaning brotherly love) in 3:8 is opened on the anniversary of Christ's ascension, which is May 30 or 31, 2000, according to how one counts the 40 days. Rev. 2:10 says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." It is 10 days from Ascension Day to Pentecost, which is Sivan 6 or 7 (June 9 or 10, 2000).

The Pre-Trib Rapture takes place before the Tribulation starts. In Rev. 4:1, Jesus says, "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

At the time of the Rapture, like the bad figs of Jer. 24, the non-repentant Laodiceans are spued out of Christ's mouth. They will be cut off and appointed their "portion with the unbelievers" (Lu. 12:46) during the Tribulation.

> > may/1948 - may/1997 (jubilee) = 49 years

The Jubilee is a 49-year cycle, but the 50th year is both the Jubilee Year and the first year of the new cycle. Thus, the Sabbatic Years stay aligned with the 49-year cycle. It is announced on the previous Day of Atonement and starts on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Sacred Year. The Jubilee Year follows a Sabbatic Year. 5761 and 5768 are Sabbatic years. Since I expect Christ to return Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008), the Jubilee Year in 5769 would make sense to me.

However, if Israel being back in the land started a new Jubilee count, 1948 + 50 = 1998. That year was so plainly marked, it is important for some reason. I think it was the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. It was the 480th year of the Modern Parallels too. Just maybe, the 4 years of the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 began then. Jesus only comes and speaks in the third of those years. Did he come and look for fruit on the fig tree (Israel) on Pentecost, 1998, also on Pentecost, 1999? I hope he says, "Come up hither" the third day, as at Sinai, this Pentecost.

> > may/1997 - Nov/2000 (RAPTURE) = 3 1/2 years

The Rapture may well happen within this framework. I think Song of Sol. 2:10-14 and the fig tree parable in Lu. 21:29-32 and Mt. 24:32-34 show that the Rapture will be in the spring. Sivan 6 or 7, 5760 (June 9 or10, 2000)--Pentecost, seems most likely to me.

> > Nov/2000 - may/2004 (resurrection) = 3 1/2 years may/2004 - Nov/2007 Ab of Desolation = 3 1/2 years

I expect Moses and Elijah to be resurrected in 2004. They are to be killed when the Abomination of Desolation is placed at the temple. Their days of prophesying are the first 1260 days of the Seventieth Week of Daniel/Tribulation, which I expect to begin on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

> > may/2007 - may/2011 2nd coming = 3 1/2 years

I expect the Second Coming on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008). Hos. 6:3 says, " the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." I think the former rain was the First Advent on Tishri 1. The latter rain is the Second Advent on Nisan 1.

The date is set in Eze. 29:17: "in the first month, in the first day of the month." That is Nisan 1 (Eze. 45:18,21). Then Eze. 29:21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Logos, Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Nisan 1 is the beginning of the Jewish Regnal Year. The official reign of the Israelite kings was reckoned to be Nisan 1, regardless of which day they actually took office. Therefore, Christ will officially begin his reign on Earth on the same day all the other Israelite kings officially took office.

I think his Coronation will be 7 months (Eze. 39:12) earlier, in Heaven, on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). At that time, he will be given his kingdom and will immediately purge it, as Solomon, the son of David, did. I think his actual return to Earth will be the following Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008, on the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar, Apr. 6, 30 AD).

> > may/2011 - may/2018 Kingdom = 7 years

I expect Christ's Coronation in Heaven on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

> > I still believe we must see the rise of the antichrist (the human) before the great day as statedin 2 Thess.2 and Daniel 8.

In II Thess 2:2, the KJV "day of Christ" is is all major MSS, day of the Lord. That was corrected in later translations. The millennial Day of the Lord can't come until there is "a falling away first" (v.3). This is the apostasia, departure, as in early Bibles. The Rapture must come next in the schedule of events. Only after that can the man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed. We are the salt of the Earth, because of the Holy Spirit in us, and are retarding the growth of leaven, as salt does in bread making. When we are gone, the Holy Spirit will no longer hinder the appearance of the False Prophet.

Dan. 8:10 says, "And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them." This is Mid-Trib, when Satan and his angels are cast down to the Earth (Rev. 12).

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The 2300 days is the length of the Shortened Tribulation (Mt. 24:22). This includes both the days the Jews can sacrifice (1260) and the time that they cannot (1040), because the False Prophet desecrates the temple Mid-Trib.

> > A major sign will the economic collapse as in James 5

We recently had the greatest drop in equity prices ever.

Do you know that the United Religions charter is to be signed June 26, 2000? The Final Status Peace Agreement is slated to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. Get ready. The Rapture might be very soon.

May 22, 1999 (Sivan 7, Pentecost), we had a new star, Nova Velorum, in the reefed sails of the ship ARGO (THE COMPANY OF TRAVELERS). Was that to alert us that the Rapture might be this Sivan 7, Pentecost (June 10)?

Stay alert. We don't have long to wait to find out. Agape

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From: Jim Bramlett
Subject: Unprecedented celestial sign

An excellent article on the rare planetary alignment this week is at

An excerpt:
"On this day, Venus, Mercury, the Sun, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and the Moon, will all align in the heavens. This is an event that has never occurred before!

"The alignment is also unique in that the event was understood to be built into the original design of the Jewish menorah. The seven-lamped candlestick was to be fashioned after the pattern given by God to Moses.

"The first century Jewish historian, Josephus, noted this in his Antiquities 3, 11:7, stating that the menorah in the Temple represented the alignment of the seven 'planets.' This planetary alignment could signal the rebuilding of the third Temple."

My reply

Thanks. This an interesting article, summing up some of the celestial events of recent years. The author failed to mention that Josephus included the Sun. Josephus said, "...the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them." The ancients called the Sun a planet because it moves along the ecliptic like the planets. Planets were visible heavenly bodies that moved against the background of stationary stars.

This alignment could represent more than the rebuilding of the third temple. The Church is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Rev. 1:20 says, "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." Does this show that the seven churches will soon be in the heavens?

The author of the Web page you cited said, "The excitement stems from a unique celestial event that will occur on May 6-7 of the year 2000. The date (Iyar 2, 5760) has significance on the Jewish calendar because it falls on the same day (anniversary date) that Solomon began building the first Temple and Ezra began building the second temple."

Other sources have said May 5, which is Nisan 30. However, there is another alignment on May 17, so maybe the alignment is still pretty good on May 7 (Iyar 2). The connection with the building of the temple may be significant.

The author also said, "According to Greg Killian, besides these coincidental lunar eclipses and comets, there has been a celestial event taking place which has never occurred before. The event has been occurring on Tishri 1 since September 1996. It will not occur for another 11,000 years.

"There is a picture being formed in the heavens of a woman (Virgo) having a baby! She appears to be clothed with the sun and wearing twelve stars around her head (The constellation of Bernice's Hair). The dragon is poised in the sign, and the woman appears to be giving birth to the moon. This sign fits the description of the "Great Sign" listed in Revelation 12:1."

Things are really getting interesting. Get ready. We may be taking a trip soon. Agape

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Subject: The Translation
I am personally setting my sights on midnight of Rosh Hashannah, September 30th 2000 Jerusalem time.Because of the time difference I hope we will leave out between 3:00 and 4:00 p.m. central time on the 29th. The earth was created on Rosh Hashannah and Adam was also created on this day. This Rosh Hashannah will mark exactly 6000 years from the creation of Adam. Jesus was born on Friday evening on The Feast of Tabernacles October 1st 1B.C. (year 0). When we reach September 30th 2000 it will mark 2000 years from his birth. (Tribe of Benjamin)

My reply

That's ok, you are welcome to your own opinion. But, I guess this means that you don't think Song of Sol. 2:10-14 applies to the Rapture. It says, " Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away." It also says that winter is past and the rain is over and gone. The former rain starts Tishri 1, Rosh HaShannah. The latter rain starts on Nisan 1. Also, I guess you don't believe that the parable of the fig tree in Mt. 24:32-34 and Lu. 21:29-32 have anything to do with the Rapture. Both speak of summer being nigh at hand. Mt. 24:33 even says, "it is near, even at the doors," a symbol of the Raptures (Rev. 3:8). You must think that the wheat harvest has nothing to do with the Rapture, either. Ex. 23:16 says, "And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field." Why are we called wheat? Why are we called "a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (Jas. 1:18)? Why does Neh. 10:35,36 say, " And to bring the firstfruits of our ground, and the firstfruits of all fruit of all trees, year by year, unto the house of the LORD: Also the firstborn of our sons"?

Why did Micah say his soul desired the firstripe fruit in 7:1, "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit."

> > This Rosh Hashannah will mark exactly 6000 years from the creation of Adam.

I think Adam was created in BC 4044/43 (283 BJE, before the Jewish calendar era). My chronology is on my Web site.

> > Jesus was born on Friday evening on The Feast of Tabernacles October 1st 1B.C. (year 0). When we reach September 30th 2000 it will mark 2000 years from his birth.

Why then does Hos. 6:3 say, " the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1 and the latter rain Nisan 1. Eze. 29:17,21 show that the Second Coming will be on Nisan 1. Why wouldn't the First Coming be on Tishri 1?

According to Josephus, Herod died not long after an eclipse of the Moon. The elaborate funeral was over before Archelaus started his journey to Rome immediately after the Passover. Herod probably died about Jan. 28, BC 1, after the eclipse of the Moon on Jan. 10, BC 1. How then, could the dead Herod have had the babies killed in Bethlehem the following October?

I do think Jesus was born on what to us is Friday night, but the Jewish Shabbat had already begun at 6:00 PM. He is Lord of the Sabbath. Agape

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