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Posted 5-3-00

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Re: the dominoes keep falling.
Arafat said in the interview, "As you are aware we are determined to declare a Palestinian state on September 13, God willing."

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Profound and substantially documented material. I wish you blessings in Christ Jesus our only Lord and King. My questions are the following:

What is your position on the bible's statement that not even the Son knows the day nor hour?

What is your position on the new Earth and Heaven mentioned in Revelation?

Thank you so much for your attention. His

My reply

Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." The word "knoweth" is present tense. On that day, no mere man knew. Jesus was not a mere man. He was both man and God. As God, he made the plans before the world began and knew when everything would take place, but as man, he didn't know the day or hour. He probably knew the year, month and day of the month. He worded what I call his delay switch very carefully.

In Acts 1:7,8 Jesus told the apostles, " It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you." After Pentecost, believers have had the power. However, until the Sign of the End of the Age appeared (the Six-Day War of 1967 that fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34), there was no way to drop the schedule of end-time events into its proper slot in our calendar. From that time, when Israel put forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai, West Bank), it has been possible to figure out when things would take place.

In Mk. 13:23, Jesus said, " take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." All the clues are in the Bible. We have to search for them as a miner searches for silver. Prov. 2:3-7 says, " Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous." Dan. 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

The wicked are not to understand. That is why the clues are not as plain as the nose on our face. Isa. 28:9-13 explains: " Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

In Lu. 8:17, Jesus said, "For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."

As for the new heavens and new Earth, I think Christ will have to refresh the Earth early in the Millennium to make it a fit habitat for man. Civilization will be destroyed by the two asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10. Every wall will fall in the world-wide earthquake (Eze. 38:20). Agape

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Thank you again for being so dedicated in your search for truth. I respect the time and effort you have placed in your diligent work. Now....I have a question. My sister-in-law is involved in teaching a weekly Bible Study. Some that attend are die-hard Catholics and thing the Bible is just made up of fables. They have come to the part where Cain, after murdering his brother, leaves home and later on marries. The questiion is then - if Cain and Abel / Adam and Eve were the only people on the face of the earth, who did Cain marry and where did they come from? The Word states "Sons of God , daughters of men." I have heard that the Sons of God were angels. Can you clarify this for us. The Bible Study group meets on Tuesday - I really appreciate your insightful answer. Thank you! God Bless!

My reply

Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve were not the only people on the face of the Earth. Just as the Lord told Noah in Gen. 9:1, to " Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth," He told Adam and Eve in Gen. 1:28, to " Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." They did.

Gen. 4:1,2 says, " And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel."

Adam was 130 years old by the time Seth was born. How many children do you think were born just in this 130 years? Let's be conservative. Let's say Adam and Eve had a child every 2 years. Just in the first 130 years of Adam's 930 years, they would have had 65 children. (In 930 years, they might have had 465 children.) Let's say that each of those children were 20 by the time they paired off and had children. Their children would have been having children by 20 too. Their children would have done the same at 20. The population grew pretty fast, even by conservative figures. Gen. 5:4 says, "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters."

Gen. 4:17 says, "Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch." Shortly after he murdered Abel, we find that he already has a wife. In those days, there was no prohibition against marrying close family members. Cain probably married his sister.

In Job 1:6 and 2:1 the angels, including Satan, are called sons of God. This may be because each angel was individually created by God. We will find out soon. We are to be sons of God by adoption. There is that possibility with the angels too. There is much that we are not told definitely.

In Gen. 6, I think the wicked angels are the sons of God that took wives among mankind. I think Jude 6 tells us what happened to them. It says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The Flood came because the hybrid creatures, giants, needed to be done away with. Noah was "a just man and perfect in his generations" (Gen. 6:9). God started anew with Noah and his family. Satan was obviously trying to corrupt humanity so Jesus could not be a man who was perfect in his generations. Make no mistake, there is an angelic conflict. Agape

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Greetings in the name of Jesus our Lord. I enjoyed your web site. I, too, have had for many years now a prophetic ministry and we see the very very potential rapture occurring on this coming Pentecost....the original marriage date for Jews

My reply

Thanks.

Gal. 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

However, types are there to teach us many truths. Of Israel, I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." These are things we should pay attention to. Agape

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I have never been in the end of a rainbow or see a triangle (actually a rectangle) of light on a scripture as a sign in showing me something from the Lord; however, I do not in anyway doubt that it can happen to a believer as it has happened to you, and apparently as reading your P&Cís, the same events have happened to other believers.

I truly believe we are living in the time of the end where we will truly see the Lord, and I want to share with you and other believers what I believe in my spirit that Our Lord has revealed to me. Let me know what you think!!

This past September, 1999, there was a lot of optimism as well as skepticism about the Rapture taking place during Rosh Hashanah. When it did not happen, I was disappointed but not despaired as I know there is an appointed time for the Rapture and His Return. I was sitting in my living room, and began to pray and ask Our Lord if I was going to see His Return in my lifetime. I truly wanted to know and the following is what I believe in my spirit that the Holy Spirit has revealed as part of His Plan.

There are nine months from Rosh Hashanah 1999 to Pentecost 2000. "Space to Repent" and then "Birth of His Bride" to Heaven. Our Lord is not slack concerning His Promise but wants ALL to come to REPENTANCE and NOT PERISH.

WELL, LET ME GET TO WHAT I BELIEVE WAS A WORD FROM THE LORD-

Shortly after the above thoughts, I was putting some appointments on my calendar and for some reason decided to write down the days of our week on a post it note, then I counted the number of letters in each day of the week and wrote them beside the day. It appeared that the numbers and the way they were arranged jumped out at me with prophetic meaning. It is not a coincidence that they are fit in the following manner.

SUNDAY 6 ) The Sign of the End of the Age Mat. 24:32-34

MONDAY 6 ) 6+6+7=19 Then look at the first 6, as in month.

TUESDAY 7 ) The next two are 6&7, as in year.
The Six Day War occurred in June 1967.

WEDNESDAY 9 ) The Barren Fig Tree Lu. 13:6-9

THURSDAY 8 ) 9&8, as in year or Pentecost 1998.
First Year, Looking for Fruit, Does Not Speak.
Jesus crucified on Thursday 9 AM, but day began as Sundown went down on Wednesday, 6PM

FRIDAY 6 ) 6000 years end, God made man on 6th day.
Second Year, Looking for Fruit, Does Not Speak.

SATURDAY 8 ) God rested on 7th day.
Third Year, SPEAKS, "Come Up Hither." Rapture or Resurrection Day

TOTAL 50) 40+10=50 or Number for Pentecost
After Resurrection Jesus on Earth 40 days then ascended to Heaven. From Ascension to Pentecost is 10 days.

LOOKS LIKE PENTECOST 2000 IS THE PERFECT FIT FOR RAPTURE ONE!

Marilyn, as you stated in one of your P&C's that "Praying without Ceasing" is "Maintaining an Attitude of Prayer". I believe OUR ATTITUDE is going to affect OUR ALTITUDE. :-) What are your thoughts on what I have written or do you think I have just experienced a case of INDIGESTION. Maranatha!

My reply

My thoughts? I don't know. I am more comfortable with Scripture, myself. Our thoughts can be right or wrong. Scripture is always right.

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...The 50 days of counting the Omer, are specifically to link the Feast of Firstfruits, with Pentecost. Thus joining them forever together, inseparable-like a marriage.

Those fifty days are a Jubilee Year in miniature. There is some indication that, when end times events begin, that the Year to Day connection will be emphasised and established. So, what if those 7 weeks and one day, are precisely that, a miniature Jubilee Year. This concept alone has overwhelming meaning, doesn't it. With, the Jubilee occurring on Pentecost, Possibly the Ultimate Liberty ever known to man-The Liberty from Death! "Oh Grave, where is your victory, Oh Death, where is your sting?"

Now, that will give you all something to chew on for awhile, but that isn't the main reason for my writing! You see, I have already presented earlier, that 'The Beloved Entering His Garden' found in Songs 4-5, is Synonomous with Yeshuah 'Walking amoung the Candlesticks', which is of course found in Rev 2-3. Because of the reference to Ten days, given to Smyrna, I assumed that His Walking amoung the CandleSticks would occupy those ten days.

However, now I feel that this is incorrect. One reason is, that the Lord was already walking amoung the Smyrnans BEFORE He told them of the comming Ten Days of Persecution!

So, when does the Beloved enter His Garden called the Seven Churches? Well, it is right there for us in the first chapters of Revelation. For, He is immediately in John's presense, and tells Him to record the things that he had seen and, THE THINGS THAT ARE, and the things that shall be hereafter. Now, technically Yeshuah has always walked amoung the Churchs. However, I think that this will be realized in a very astonishing way, shortly before the Rapture. And, it won't be for ten days, but for THOSE FIFTY DAYS OF COUNTING THE OMER!!!

Hence, those Seven Weeks, that end in a JUBILEE DAY, are specfically reserved for the Seven Churches. Hence, the first seven days of counting the Omer, are reserved for the Church of Ephesus, which I believe would be the Jewish Church. The second week would be for the end times Church of Smyrna, which I believe is the Asian Church. The Third Week would be for the end times Church of Pergamos, which I believe is the Greek Orthodox Church. The Fourth Week would be for the end times Church of Thyatira, which would be the Roman Catholic Church. The Fifth Week would be for the end times Church of Sardis, which would be the Prostestant Church-headed by the Church of England. The Sixth Week would be the Missionary Church, which was predominantly that of the Independant Churchs of America, and then the Seventh Week would be for the end times Laodacean Church, which I believe is the majority of Churches in America today. Every Christian on the face of the earth today, can find their origins and placement in one of those Churches, and they will very soon begin to experience the very personal presense of the Lord Yeshuah Messiah, The Beloved who has already, perhaps, entered His Garden, and the High Priest, who walks amoung the CandleSticks....

And it should be noted that, of all the Constellations in the Sky, the one that PERFECTLY PICTURES YESHUAH as He appears in Revelation chapter One, is the Constellation of ORION!!!

My reply

> > 50 days of counting the Omer, are specifically to link the Feast of Firstfruits, with Pentecost

The word firstfruit is used with both feasts to link them too. Christ is THE FIRSTFRUIT, then we are the firstfruits of his creatures. Jas. 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." We are the ones caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

However, the 144,000 are also firstfruits, and they are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Rev. 14:3-5 says, "the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

I think Ex. 23:19 indicates that we are the first of the firstfruits, and are gathered up on the feast of the wheat harvest on Pentecost. It says, "The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God."

> > I assumed that His Walking amoung the CandleSticks would occupy those ten days.

I am thinking that the door of Rev. 3:8 may be open these 10 days. Eze. 41:2 says, "the breadth of the door was ten cubits." Dan. 1:12 says, "Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days."

> > now I feel that this is incorrect. One reason is, that the Lord was already walking amoung the Smyrnans BEFORE He told them of the comming Ten Days of Persecution

I think all 7 messages to the churches are given at one time, when the door opens, when the Rapture is "at hand" (1:3;22:10), which may be on the anniversary of Christ's Ascension Day. He ascended 10 days before Pentecost for a very good reason. This way, he could guarantee that the tribulation spoken of in 2:10 would end in exactly 10 days.

> > tells Him to record the things that he had seen and, THE THINGS THAT ARE, and the things that shall be hereafter

I think the things he had seen are things before the Rapture, the things that "are" are the 10 days when the Rapture is "at hand" plus the Rapture itself (i.e., the time between the opening and closing of the door), and the things that shall be hereafter are "hereafter" (Rev. 4:1) the Rapture.

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Thank-you for the very significant reply. I've study Escatalogy for a couple of years. I am unfamiliar with the astronomical specifics that you had refered to. I believe that the magi were knowledgable about the heavenlies and they knew that the star of Bethlehem was a significant celestrial event. I believe that it is not forbidded to talk about the Lords day and to speculate as to the nearness of this. After all isn't one of the crowns for anxously awaiting the return of the Lord, and that it pleases the Lord to have a desire to want his return soon. I catch a lot of flack for talking about it. People don't want to embrace the reality of Jesus's return, I think that it's because they are ignorant of what it means as if the extent of their scope of it is fire and brimstone. Do you encounter this?

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I get a smattering of everything thrown my way, but I have been shocked at the large number of thinking people who sincerely desire to understand what God wrote in the textbook he gave us so we can pass our test with flying colors. They outweigh the ones who throw flack by a huge margin. Also, there are Laodiceans who think they have it made. They are not really interested in studying Scripture deeply. They think they know the milk of the word and are not in the least interested in the strong meat. Heb. 5:12 is talking about this type. It says, "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." For me, I want to know. I have a need to know. I want to know everything God wants man to know about the Bible--everything! Agape

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What a source of continual blessing and encouragement your ministry has been as I have learned much through your research and Bible study. I appreciate very much your continued commitment to share and encourage believers who long to see the return of our Lord and Savior.

You and others have pointed out the parallels in scripture of "40" units of time measure (days, weeks, or years) appointed for trial or testing for individuals or nations which have special significance for us today in light of Israel's putting forth leaves in 1967. Just recently, two verses of scripture further drove home this point. Christ, when describing the signs of the end of the age in Matthew 24 said in verse 8: (NIV) "ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF BIRTH PAINS." When and how do birth pains come upon a woman? They come SUDDENLY and at the end of 40 WEEKS of her pregnancy! 1st Thessalonians 5:3 (NIV) "WHILE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, 'PEACE AND SAFETY,' DESTRUCTION WILL COME ON THEM SUDDENLY, AS LABOR PAINS ON A PREGNANT WOMAN, AND THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE." 1967 + 40 = 2007. It looks to me like the pregnant harlot woman (HARLOT CHURCH) is soon to give birth to the consequences of her great sins against God. Revelation 18:4: (NIV) "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE." Our time must surely be short as so many factors point us that way. In Christ

My reply

I appreciate all your kind words.

> > Matthew 24 said in verse 8: (NIV) "ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF BIRTH PAINS." When and how do birth pains come upon a woman? They come SUDDENLY and at the end of 40 WEEKS of her pregnancy!

Thank you. Thank you. The KJV says, "beginnings of sorrows" (odin, a pang, esp. of childbirth, travail). Looks like this is one of those verses with a double reference. The early one, from 30 to 70 AD shows us how to take it in our days--as 40 years.

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Re: : raptyre
how do i repent for my sins and go to heaven

My reply

First, you need to have accepted Christ as your own personal Saviour. I prayed and told him I accepted Him. Rom. 10:9,10 says, " if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

At that point, Christ baptizes us with his Holy Spirit. Every sin we ever committed is wiped off the books. We are given a fresh start. We are as pure virgins in God's eyes.

When we sin after that, we have to confess known sins to God to bring them under the blood of Christ too. I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteous."

I would love to hear from you again. In His love

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Re: pentecost 2000
do you have any other serious consideration for the rapture date other than June 9/10?

My reply

No. That seems most likely to me. Agape

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Subject: the week
I would like to state for the record, Rosh Hashanna does not always fall on sept 13th... this year it will fall on sept 29 ( I will just happen to be arriving there on that date :)) I believe this is the date they will confirm the covenant There is a new cycle of 7 sabatical years beging in Israel a "set 7" years we are currently in a cycle of rest before the new seven years begins.. I belive this is what Daniel was speaking of when he spoke of the "last seven years" it is not just any set of seven years but a cycle of seven years there has been 3500 years since the time of its inception or 70

'set of 50 jubiless, or 70 "weeks" as Daniel spoke of ending this year. a week can be 50 years or one jubilee because it is 49 sets of 7 and any set of seven is concidered a week or "shevuah" its intersting that Daniel spoke of 70 "WEEKS" decreed for the life Of Israel and it happens to come to an end this fall.

My reply

Yes, Tishri 1 varies on our calendar. It was Sept. 11 last year.

Since the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993 and RATIFIED in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, I expect the Final Status Peace Agreement to be signed Sept. 13, 2000, as they have stated that they intend to do. It will probably be RATIFIED on Tishri 1, Sept. 30, 2000. Tishri 1 starts at 6:00 PM on Sept. 29 and ends at 6:00 PM on Sept. 30.

I don't think either the SIGNING or RATIFYING is to be carried out by the Beast and False Prophet this coming September. I expect the Beast and False Prophet to "CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY" (i.e., the UN) on the following Feast of Weeks to kick off the Seventieth Week of Daniel (Dan. 9:27).

5761 (2000/2001) is a Sabbatic Year. The covenant is to be confirmed for "one week," or 7 years. 5761 + 7 = 5768 (2007/2008), another Sabbatic Year. That year MUST be, and is, a LEAP YEAR, when there are 7 Jewish months between Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) and Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008), as Eze. 39:12 specifies.

> > Daniel spoke of 70 "WEEKS" decreed for the life Of Israel and it happens to come to an end this fall

I think the 70th week will START on the Feast of Weeks in 5761 (May 28, 2001). Agape

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I've got this strange wonderful feeling that this would be the last time I write to you. If so, then I want to thank you again for everything you've done for me (us). When ever the Rapture happens, I'll be ready thanks to you dear Marilyn. Now I know you think 9/10 June 2000 is the date and I agree with all your reasons but lately I've been getting these strange feelings inside every time I hear the date 5/5/2000. Now the first time I heard this date was in connection with the allignment of the planets. As I understand it the allignment would be Earth, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.(the same 7 items are represented by the 7 candles - thanks to you :-) ) Now when I studied Ezekiel 1 I came to the conclusion that the allignment was the same when Ezekiel saw heaven. You know, he was on (1.Earth), then in verse 4 he saw the (2.Sun), "a fire involding itself" verse 5 he saw the 4 living creatures ( 3.Mercury, 4. Venus, 5.Mars, 6.Jupiter) Then follows a description of the 4 creatures. Verse 26 : "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (7. Saturn):and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it." So it looks to me like it was the same allignment as would be on 5/5/2000.

Now lately I also heard they found this date in the pyramids. Now there is even stories that it is the start of a new ice age. If you listen to all the stories you'll go crazy. There is nothing about all this in the Bible but it looks like everybody knows something is to happen on this date. Could this be the Rapture? If I look at Ezekiel it sure seems possible to me.

Any thought on this? Thanks as always. Love (from South Africa)

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > when I studied Ezekiel 1 I came to the conclusion that the alignment was the same when Ezekiel saw heaven. You know, he was on (1.Earth), then in verse 4 he saw the (2.Sun), "a fire infolding itself" verse 5 he saw the 4 living creatures ( 3.Mercury, 4. Venus, 5.Mars, 6.Jupiter)

In Eze. 1:15, "one wheel (was) upon the earth." Also, all 4 have "adam" red clay, on them. I think they are the terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Saturn would still be over their heads.

I don't know anything that would indicate the Rapture on Nisan 30 (May 5). Agape

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Subject: Saturn
I quote from "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed," American Christian Press, 1982, which quote is found in Bob Wadsworth's "A Voice Crying in the Heavens": "Saturn's significant associations have been obscured more than others, although Saturn is identified as the god responsible for agriculture and the harvest. In astrological lore, Saturn is an evil star signifying death and darkness. Likewise in Jewish tradition, its usual signification is negative, for it is associated with death, destruction, weeping and grief. It was felt to have a hindering and inhibitive force in its negative aspect, especially when in conjunction with another planet (Joel C. Dobin, "To Rule Both Day and Night: Astrology in the Bible, Midrash, and Talmud.") Perhaps here is a clue to its association with Satan, the fallen archangel. The similarity between the names "Saturn" and "Satan" point to a possible common etymological origin."

You have reached an opposite conclusion. If you are correct, and this planet is our habitation during the tribulation, it will indeed be associated with death, destruction, weeping and grief for the Jewish people, as God brings the time of Jacob's trouble upon Israel. When I look at pictures of Saturn, I see an incredibly beautiful planet, which seems to glow with tranquil grace. I have read comments on your site, where people state life on Saturn is not possible. I know one thing: there is nothing impossible with God. Other opinions say that the habitation of God, heaven, surely is light years beyond our solar system. Time and distance are curious things. One day soon we shall know the truth of it. Wherever Jesus is now, that is where we are going to be. Praise God for His mercy! I hope you are well, and your family. Much love

My reply

> > similarity between the names "Saturn" and "Satan" point to a possible common etymological origin

In Hebrew, Saturn is Shabbatai, rest. Strange, Jesus said he would give us rest. Satan is satan, an opponent, from satan, to attack--not too similar. It has been said that Saturn represents Father Time, because it is the slowest moving of all the planets. Lead has been associated with it for the same reason, but that is a really funny one. Astronomers think it is so light weight that if it could be put in water, it would float.

We are doing pretty well. The doctor started Ed on a different prescription for high blood pressure today. Agape


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