Pro and Con 5

Incoming e-mail, subject: End time events

Wow! Thank you for sharing so much from your years of Bible study. I am eager to read all that you have to say.

More and more it appears to me that the Lord's timetable is tied into the Old Testament feasts.

Since I started studying the Bible, I have been skeptical of the teaching of an entire church rapture at the beginning of the tribulation period since the Philadelphia church was told "I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world to test those who dwell upon the earth." NAS. Also, in Watchman Nee's writings, he refers to "the first-fruits" as in harvesting.

I now view the "trumpet" sounded at Jesus return to Jewish tradition where the bridegroom returns for the bride. As I understand it (in brief), after the proposal is accepted, the bridegroom returns to his father's house to prepare a place for his bride. Eager as the bridegroom may be to have his bride with him, he works to prepare a place until his father says it is ready. Thus, "only his father knows" when the bridegroom will return to get the bride. On the bridegroom's return, the trumpet is sounded.

As for "Come up here ..." in chapter 4, I do not view this as a bodily event since what follows is "Immediately I was in the *spirit*". And, it is spoken to John, personally.

What is your understanding (based on your years of study)?

My reply

Yes, it seems that the Lord figured out when everything would take place, then set the feasts on those dates. The ones I would appreciate more info on are Pentecost and Tabernacles. I am also looking for references that expound on the Jewish wedding customs. Where can I find something on the trumpet at the wedding?

It fits what I know well, for I think the Marriage of the Lamb will take place on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millenial Day of the Lord. Yet until you mentioned it, I was not aware of it being used at the Jewish weddings. I got the picture from Scripture, not tradition. It is great that they agree. Thanks for that info.

I think there is a first trump for the first Rapture and a last trump for Rapture II.

I agree that the entire church Rapture does not really fit well for out of the seven groups, only Philadelphia has the open door set before them. Neither does it fit Laodicea being spewed out of the Body of Christ. Paul was working for the prize of the upward call of God (the "Come up hither") and did not want to be a "castaway" after all his hard work. He could not lose his salvation, so to be in danger of being a castaway, it seems that he could only be in danger of being counted as something like a Laodicean. I think the prize is to be chosen as the Bride of Christ. The Bride is chosen out of the larger Body of Christ. She must have a love relationship with the Bridegroom. No earthly bridegroom would be likely to choose a lukewarm spouse over one who was head over heels in love with him. We must be called, and chosen, and faithful for Rev. 17:14 says, "they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

You mentioned only the Father knows when he will return to get his bride. Of course, Jesus and the Father are one. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. When Jesus said that no man knoweth the day and hour, that was true. Knoweth was present tense. No man knew at that time. Besides that, Jesus was not just "man." He was both man and God, one of a kind. He worded that very carefully. That statement was sort of a delay switch to keep us from searching too soon for what manner of time the prophets spoke about. It sure kept me from really looking into when things would happen until after the Six-Day War had already taken place.

I take "Come up hither" in Rev. 4:1 to be the Rapture. John became in the Spirit and appeared in Heaven before the throne. When he got there, the elders were there too. They represent all the church just as each course of the priests represented the whole group...

Isa. 57:1,2 fits right in. It says, "THE righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come, He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."

Incoming e-mail, subject: Shabbat & the book of Revelation

From someone else's news group discussion

The problem I have is, if the Sabbath is so important to the new covenant, why would Jesus give John this wonderful revelation on 'the imperial day' which is as you said, a Sunday. Am I missing something here? Believe me I am not being argumentive. My point is that the book of Revelations seems deeply Jewish with its temple language, etc.

And so you would think in giving John such a revelation that would serve to complete the canon of Scripture, the Lord would have given it to him on Shabbat.

My reply

Considering the importance of Shabbat, which is still Saturday, I think you brought up a good point. At first glance, it does seem that it would have been a nice touch to finish the scriptures on Shabbat.

However, trust the Lord to know what he is doing. He had a good reason for giving The Revelation of Jesus Christ on Sunday. When Jesus Christ will be revealed to the Church is at the Rapture, which will be on Sunday.

Jesus is the playwright of this dramatic production. As playwright, he chose the time that it would take place. He viewed what had passed, what happened at the time of the Rapture, and what was to follow hereafter, all from the vantage point of the Rapture.

The Rapture "is at hand" in the first chapter (1:3) and is still "at hand" in the last chapter (22:10). The Rapture is when Jesus comes quickly. He comes "unto thee quickly" in 2:5 and still says, "I come quickly" as he signs off.

In the 8th verse, he tells us exactly who he is: "I am Alpha (the first) and Omega (the last), the beginning (Yahweh) and the ending (Jesus Christ), saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty." You see, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

John experienced the Rapture both in the Preview in the first chapter and in Rev. 4:1. In the Preview, he stood on Patmos, which means mortal, and suddenly became in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard the Lord's trumpet voice calling him up.

In 4:1, he said, "the FIRST voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither." It was the same voice as in the Preview.

In the Preview, John was caught up to Heaven. He saw Christ standing in the midst of the seven churches that had just been raptured. He still had the star performers in his hand for he had just snatched them up.

Following the Preview, Jesus gave a message for the seven church groups. In each, he included a description of himself as John saw him in the Preview of the Rapture. To Ephesus he was "he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. To Smyrna, he is "the first and the last." To Sardis he hath "the seven stars."

He is viewing each group when the Rapture is at hand. He starts with some of their history and then stretches it up to the present. To some, he even mentions what will happen to some of them who get left behind. Some of Thyatira will be cast "into great tribulation." Some of Laodicea will be spewed out of the Body of Christ. As foolish virgins, they will find that the door has closed and they are left behind.

When the Rapture is at hand, the door in heaven is already open. To the Philadelphians, he says, "I have set before thee an open door." To the Laodiceans, the door closes.

The rest of Revelation concerns what follows the Rapture. Jesus told John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture)" (1:19).

I hope this helps you understand why The Revelation of Jesus Christ was written on Sunday. I expect to be caught up on Sunday too.

His Reply to another of my e-mails in this series, subject: Interesting comparison

Thanks for your thoughtful response. In one of your remarks, you indicate a mthodology that I found helps to make my point. An erroneous assumption creeps into your reasoning.

> Acts 1:7,8 says, "And he said unto them, It is not for you ("apostles,"
> verse 2) to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his
> own power. But ye shall receive power (to know the times or the seasons?),
> after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you." The Holy Spirit came upon them
> ten days later, on Pentecost. At that time, the church had the power to know
> but not until the Sign of the End of the Age could it be figured out.

It seemed to me that the power used in verse 7 was different than that in verse 8. I checked other translations and found that they too seemed to differentiate. I then looked them up in Strongs as you had suggested and found that indeed they are two different words. The power in verse 7 (exousia) can be translated best by the word "authority." The Father holds the authority of date and time. ( Just as Jesus said throughout the New Testament) In verse 8, the power here is shown to be (dunamis) which is best translated as "miraculous power." This is as I have understood the Word. Your assumption gets you in to trouble. The apostles were given working miraculous power at Pentecost, not the Father's authority to know the dates Jesus said they would not know.

I haven't got 36 years to check out each and every idea you have written about. That I can find one significant little flaw in your reasoning suggests there may be more. This is between you and our merciful Lord. I am just a neophyte in this study business, having recently just graduated from milk.

My reply

I looked up "exousia" and "dunamin" (see Green"s Interlinear) in Green's and Thayer's Lexicon as well as in Strong's. Here is the result:

Acts 1:7,8 says, "And he said unto them, It is not for you ("apostles") to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power (exousia. Green's: authority; Thayer's: ability, according to his own choice). But ye shall receive power (dunamin. Thayer's: ability, under or full of the power of the Holy Spirit; Strong's: miraculous power, usually a miracle itself, ability; i.e., the miraculous ability to know the times or the seasons), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."

It does, therefore, agree with what I said in the first place.

It was not for the apostles to know the times or the seasons. That was reserved for us at the end of this age, after the Sign of the End of the Age (the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel grew) appeared.

The power to know the times and seasons resided in the Father. He exercised his power of choice to not tell the apostles at that time. However, he chose to give the baby church the ability to know when the time arrived in which he wanted them to be able to figure it out. He did this by bestowing on them his Holy Spirit. This filling with his Holy Spirit is what gave us the ability to figure it out after the last clue appeared that made it possible. This clue was the Six-Day War that fulfilled the fig tree parable of Matthew 24:32-34. The generation that saw this parable fulfilled are the ones that can know. The reason they are priviledged to know is because the events of the end of the age will take place in their lifetime. They need to be forewarned, as Noah was forewarned, in order that they have every chance to avoid the trial that is coming upon the whole world.

Remember that Jesus chastised the Pharisees for not knowing the time. They should have known from Daniel 9:24-26. In Matthew 16:3, he said, "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?"

In Luke 12:56, Jesus said, Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?"

In Luke 11:52-54, he told them, "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him."

Remember that Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things" (Mark 13:23). He also said, "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" (Luke 8:17). Daniel 12:10 says that "the wise shall understand." This includes the "wise" virgins.

It is now time for the church to receive "their portion of meat in due season" (Luke 12:42). John 16:13 says that when "the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth...and HE WILL SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME."

Those of the last generation are the little children of whom I John 2:18,20 said, "it is the last hour...and ye have an unction (anointing) from the Holy One, and YE KNOW ALL THINGS."

His Reply, subject: Interesting comparison

I'm not giving up on you quite yet.

Do you think you are so convinced that you might be distorting the translation? Others I have talked to think that is the case.

Answer this question if you will. Why would Jesus use a different word if it meant the same thing?

In verse 7 the primary meaning according to Strong's is "authority." Sure, power is mentioned but it seems to have less impact on the meaning of the word "exousia" than it does on "dunamis."

Why would Jesus on every occasion he was asked about the future time tell the Apostles that it wasnt for them to know. And then in these key verses in Acts, he uses two words that HAVE been translated differently by you. Translated diffrently outside of the Godly Wisdom of the Body of Christ. Like I said before, you are swimming up stream. I read a posting from ------ to you. He wasn't very kind. (I agree with your Agape love statement.) But he knows the language. He lives the Hebrew and his Greek isn't far behind. How about -----. He reads the Greek. It was his native toung. He doesn't agree with you.

This isn't about Pharasees coming down on you. This is about your Christian brothers and sisters who have noted false teaching in your words and work....Suppose you aren't right about this verse...? I forget where it is but there is a verse about leading others astray and the consequences that is different from that in Revelations 22:18. What happens to Marilyn when Pentecost 1998 arrives and passes and there is no Rapture according to Marilyn.

I don't know when a thief will come to my house, but I do watch....I believe we will know "WHEN" by the Holy Spirit as long as we watch.

I am concerned for you, Marilyn. I sense your love of our Savior, but I fear you have been led astry and your zeal for our savior has been taken advantage of. I can't tell you what to do. God, through Proverbs tells us to seek Godly wisdom. We are told to seek wise council. --- and ----- are wise council....

...I am praying that the Lord will give you Godly Wisdom and that if you have been blinded by Satan that the Lord will remove the scales from your eyes and if the reverse is true, that He will remove the scales from our eyes so that we may rejoice with you if you have, in fact, received an annointing from the Lord.

The concensus, however is that on this translation, you have made a mistake. Is there another source that clearly states that we will be given the ability to foretell the time contrary to Jesus words? I think this is a key issue.

My reply, Subject: Exousia & dunamin

Glad to hear from you again. I'm pleased that you are not giving up on me. I'll not give up on you yet, either. God is love. His great love flows from him through one Christian to another. This is true Christian fellowship, a very real thing that the world cannot understand.

> Do you think you are so convinced that you might be distorting the translation?
> ...Why would Jesus on every occasion he was asked about the future time tell
> the Apostles that it wasnt for them to know. And then in these key verses
> in Acts, he uses two words that HAVE been translated differently by you.

-----, maybe you think I translated these two words myself. I must not have made myself clear. I was careful not to translate these two words myself. Here is what I said,

> > I looked up "exousia" and "dunamin" (see Green"s Interlinear) in Green's
> > and Thayer's Lexicon as well as in Strong's. Here is the result:

> > Acts 1:7,8 says, "And he said unto them, It is not for you ("apostles")
> > to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own
> > power (exousia. Green's: authority; Thayer's: ability, according to
> > his own choice). But ye shall receive power (dunamin. Thayer's: ability,
> > under or full of the power of the Holy Spirit; Strong's: miraculous
> > power, usually a miracle itself, ability; i.e., the miraculous ability
> > to know the times or the seasons), after that the Holy Ghost is come
> > upon you."

I first mentioned Green. This is from the Interlinear Greek-English New Testament" by Green. Here is his translation: "It is not yours to know the times or seasons, which the Father ordained for His own AUTHORITY. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes to you."

Second, I mentioned Thayer. Page 225 of Thayer's Greek English Lexicon says of exousia, "1. power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases; leave or permission...ACCORDING TO HIS OWN CHOICE, ACTS I.7...2. physical and mental power; the ABILITY or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises...3. the power of authority (influence) and of right...delegated authority...4. the power of rule or government...

On page 159, Thayer said of dunamis, "strength, ABILITY, power; a. univ. inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth...ACTS i.8 (and a few more similar references)...UNDER OR FULL OF THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT....

Strong's you can look up for yourself and you will see that I did justice to that also.

> Translated diffrently outside of the Godly Wisdom of the Body of Christ.

After reading the quotes, are you still prepared to say this? The wisdom is in Scripture, not necessarily in every part of the Body of Christ.

> Like I said before, you are swimming up stream. I read a posting from ------ to you. He wasn't very kind. (I agree with your Agape love statement.)

You are correct. Neither ----- nor --- were kind. Jesus said to turn the other cheek. He also said why do you not endure wrong? We are to be as meek as lambs, even among wolves in sheep's clothing.

> But he knows the language. He lives the Hebrew and his Greek isn't far
> behind. How about -----. He reads the Greek. It was his native
> toung. He doesn't agree with you.

I know, but that doesn't make him right in every case. He is not infallible (and neither am I). He has his own beliefs to uphold. He doesn't believe in eternal security either, but Jesus said, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again AT THE LAST DAY" John 6:39. Wouldn't you say that there is a chance that we do have eternal security?

The prize we are running the race to win is to be chosen as the Bride of Christ and be caught up to Heaven in Rapture I. But, the rest of the Body of Christ will be caught up in Rapture II "AT THE LAST DAY." The first Rapture is the first trump and the last Rapture is the last trump.

> Suppose you are wrong. Suppose Satan has been deceiving you all these years.

I stay in fellowship with the Lord. I can be wrong, but it would be my own misunderstanding, not the work of the opposing forces of evil.

> Suppose you aren't right about this verse....this translation?...What happens
> to Marilyn when Pentecost 1998 arrives and passes and there is no Rapture
> according to Marilyn.

Nothing would happen to me. My faith is too strong to be shaken by anything. There is no room in my life for the slightest flicker of doubt. I know who the Lord Jesus Christ is. He is the Almighty himself. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

I'm just trying my best to do my duty. First, I saw light on Jer. 50:2 that said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not."

Second, I Peter 3:15-17 says, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing."

Third, Romans 14:5 says, "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

> I believe we will know "WHEN" by the Holy Spirit as long as we watch.

I believe we can know "WHEN" by Scripture. Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23).

> I am concerned for you, Marilyn. I sense your love of our Savior, but I
> fear you have been led astry...

> The concensus, however is that on this translation, you have made a mistake.

I was quoting impeccable sources.

> Is there another source that clearly states that we will be given the
> ability to foretell the time contrary to Jesus words? I think this is a
> key issue.

Scripture cannot be "contrary to Jesus words." Jesus did not say that no man would ever know, but that at that time, no man knew.

All clues are in Scripture. Amos 3:7 says, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23). Jesus said, "Nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" (Luke 8:17). In Luke 12:2, Jesus said, "For there is NOTHING covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." In Matthew 10:26, Jesus said, "Fear them not therefore: for here is NOTHING covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known." Jesus said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3:3). If we watch, we will know the hour he will come upon us.

Isaiah asked, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?" and answered, "Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts" (Isa. 28:9). Paul said that the "strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age" (Heb. 5:14). The church is now of full age. It is now time for the church to receive "their portion of meat in DUE SEASON" (Lu. 12:42).

Solomon said "A wise man's heart discerneth both TIME and judgment" (Eccl. 8:5). Daniel 12:10 says, "None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Are you "wise" or "wicked"? If you are wise, you will understand.

The prophets who dutifully recorded the time clues did not necessarily understand them. But, they "prophesied of the grace that should come to YOU: searching what, or what manner of TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify" I Pet. 1:10,11).

In Mark 4:21-25, Jesus showed that we are to tell what we know.

"And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick? For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. And he said unto them, Take heed what he hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath"

Incoming e-mail, subject: Pro & Con 5 / Power

According to Vine's Expository power as used in Acts 1:7 refers to the "absolute authority" of God. In verse 8 it refers to "delegated authority" or "ability". Therefore the use of "ability" to understand at a later date would seem to be valid. I believe the key is knowing that it is the Holy Spirit who will guide us in all truth. If God put a mystery in the Bible I believe he intended for us to figure it out under the unction of the Holy Spirit.

Read your book twice just to make sure I read it right the first time. I have to admit that it is logically presented even if at first it appears far fetched. However, I believe that the Lord is impressing upon me the idea that judgement by his works (natural causes) is more scripturally sound than judgement by the works of man (nuclear holocaust). Nonetheless, one thing is certain time is critally short. I'm passing the book around to friends and kinship members. It is well received and makes for great conversation/debate during fellowship. God Bless !!!

My reply

...I appreciate your comments. Absolute authority and delegated authority tell it like it is.

"And he said unto them It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power (absolute authority). But ye shall receive power (delegated authority), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you" Acts 1:7,8.

The "besom of destruction" is a natural disaster. However, the earthquake it produces is worldwide. It could cause problems in nuclear power plants too because of the shaking. Whatever takes place, the dead will lay around the world.

Incoming e-mail, subject: The time of the end

from England...Over here there was a Bible teacher (died 1987) by the name of Roger Price who spoke and wrote about matters such as you write on. His opinion was that God put 'unreckoned periods' in history so that we cannot determine the time of the end. Such is the time of the rapture, tribulation which I believe Jesus spoke of in Luke 21 / Matthew 24 when he said no-one would know.

As a young Christian in 1981 I remember being told that the world was ending in 1987, due to it being 70 years after the Russian revolution; this disturbed me for a short while but some years later I watched the sun come up on the new year 1988. In 1992 the Harold Camping book "1994" came out and has since been consigned to history and I hope to have the chance to speak to you in a couple of years time.

My reply

...We may have minor differences but in the only thing that really counts, we are in agreement. Jesus is our Saviour. All else should take second place and be discussed in agape love.

What Roger Price, Edgar Whisenaut or Harold Camping thought has nothing to do with what Scripture teaches. I have thought the Rapture would be in 1998 ever since 1968. I knew ahead of time that Whisenaut, Camping and Hal Lindsey were wrong. I copyrighted my book, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed" in 1987 to show that I knew that the Rapture was not going to happen in 1988....

You said that Jesus "said no-one would know." That is what many say, but take another look at what Jesus really said, "But of that day and hour knoweth (present tense, at that moment) no man (Jesus was not just man, but man and God)" (Mt. 24:36). He was careful how he phrased that. He did NOT say that no one would ever know. Do you agree?

Acts 1:7,8 says, "And he said unto them, It is not for you ("apostles," verse 2) to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power (exousia. Green's: authority; Thayer's: ability, according to his own choice). But ye shall receive power (dunamin. Thayer's: ability, under or full of the power of the Holy Spirit; Strong's: miraculous power, usually a miracle itself, ability; i.e., the miraculous ability to know the times or the seasons), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."

It was not for the apostles to know the times or the seasons. That was reserved for us at the end of this age, after the Sign of the End of the Age (the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel grew) appeared.

The power to know the times and seasons resided in the Father. He exercised his power of choice to not tell the apostles at that time. However, he chose to give the baby church the ability to know when the time arrived in which he wanted them to be able to figure it out. He did this by bestowing on them his Holy Spirit. This filling with his Holy Spirit is what gave us the ability to figure it out after the last clue appeared that made it possible. This clue was the Six-Day War that fulfilled the fig tree parable of Matthew 24:32-34. The generation that saw this parable fulfilled are the ones that can know.

It is now time for the church to receive "their portion of meat in due season" (Luke 12:42). John 16:13 says that when "the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth...and HE WILL SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME."

When do you expect the Holy Spirit to "SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME"?

Those of the last generation are the little children of whom I John 2:18,20 said, "it is the last hour...and ye have an unction (anointing) from the Holy One, and YE KNOW ALL THINGS."

The reason they are priviledged to know is because the events of the end of the age will take place in their lifetime. They need to be forewarned, as Noah and Nineveh were forewarned, in order that they have every chance to avoid the Day of God's Wrath that is coming upon the whole world 40 years after the Sign of the End of the Age.

Jonah walked into Nineveh and said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown" (Jonah. 3:4). And don't forget that Noah knew the year. See Gen. 6:3: "his (man's) days shall be an hundred and twenty years." Noah knew when to complete the Ark.

We don't want to repeat the Pharisees' mistake. Remember that Jesus chastised them for not knowing the time. They should have known from Daniel 9:24-26. In Matthew 16:3, he said, "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" Similarly, in Luke 12:56, he said, Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?"

In Luke 11:52-54, he told "the scribes and the Pharisees", "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

Remember that Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things" (Mark 13:23). He also said, "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" (Luke 8:17). Daniel 12:10 says that "the wise shall understand." This includes the "wise" virgins.

Jesus said to the churches, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3:3). What will we know if we do watch? If we shall watch, he will not come on us as a thief (that is just before Armageddon, see Rev. 16:15,16), and we shall know what hour he will come upon us.

People also say we can't know when the Second Coming will take place. However, look at Ezek 29:17,21. It says, "in the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year)...In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them (Israel); and they shall know that I am the LORD." Christ will return on Nisan 1. That is a date, and it is in Scripture.

This agrees with Hosea 6:3: "he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain comes Tishri 1. The latter rain comes Nisan 1. Therefore, Jesus was born on Tishri 1 and will return on Nisan 1. De 11:14, says, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain, and the latter rain," and the Lord does exactly what he has told us he will do.

Incoming e-mail, subject: Enoch

Did you know that Enoch was born on the 6th of Sivan and was raptured on the 6th of Sivan? Could this foretell the birth and the rapture of the church both happening on the 6th of Sivan (Pentecost)?

My reply

Thank you!!! You bet it could foretell the dates of the birth into this world and the birth into another new world (Heaven). I am looking for a reference to back it up. If this is true, it paints a perfect picture, doesn't it....

I think the Rapture of Enoch and the days of Noah apply to the first Rapture before the Tribulation, and that the Rapture of Elijah and the days of Lot apply to the second Rapture on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord just before the wrath of God is poured out. The first day is peaceful. The second is not. Fire falls that same day.

His reply, subject: Rapture of Enoch

According to Rabbinical traditions, Enoch was born on the 6th of Sivan and was raptured on the 6th of Sivan. I got this information from "The Romance of Redemption - Gleanings from the book of Ruth" by Chuck Missler. It's a two-tape package. Ruth is traditionally associated with Feast of Pentecost (Wheat Harvest). It's always read by Jews at the feast of Pentecost. I believe the rapture will happen on the Feast of Pentecost sometime in the near future...

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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