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Posted 5-5-00

Note: Real virus alert! It is called ILOVEYOU, all caps, no spaces. It is like Melissa, sends virus to everyone in the MSOutlook Express address book and causes the computer to crash. I know someone personally whose co-worker got it yesterday. That came through America Online. Thank the Lord, he had just heard about it on the radio and deleted it. Hope he emptied the trash too. I got a warning by email, a news.org got hit with it. Ed heard about it on TV yesterday too.

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Re: Thanks and a Thought
Please accept my thanks for the Prophecy Web Page you have made available. Like yourself, and many others, I am convinced the Lord will be coming, very soon, to claim His bride, the Church, and I thank you for being amongst those who are publicizing this. Praise the Lord! With respect to the tribulation, the sequence of events and the chronology, the key to a proper understanding of all of this rests, I think, upon the interpretation of Daniel 12:11. You, along with many others, conclude that the abomination is set up at the same time the daily sacrifice is taken away, i.e., at the mid-point of the last week of Daniel's 70th week. However, we know, from Rev. 11:2, that only the court of the gentiles is under the control of the beast during this 3 year period, the temple itself is not under his control. I think the 2 witnesses will witness during this period from the temple proper, they must be in Jerusalem in order to be killed there. Since no man can set on them to harm them, the beast will not have access to the temple to set up the abomination until after they are killed and they will not be killed until they have finished their witnessing, at the end of the 1,260 days. They will, then, lie on the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days and then be caught up to heaven, at which time there will be a great earthquake which will kill 7,000 men. We do not know what other damage will be done by the earthquake but it is reasonable to conclude it will prevent the beast from setting up the abomination until 1,290 days AFTER the daily sacrifice is taken away. During this 30 days (1,290-1,260) an angel will preach the gospel to the whole world, another angel will warn against taking the mark of the beast and the third angel will announce the destruction of Babylon. Then, at the end of the 30 days, when the beast sets up the abomination, the vials will be poured out and the succeeding 45 days ( blessed are they that come to the 1,335 days) are the days that will be shortened for the elect's sake. The elect (in this case) will be all those, worldwide, who will enter the millennium in their natural state, the 'blessed' of Daniel 12:12.

I think it is significant that in both scriptures, where Jesus speaks of the setting up of the abomination, He does not mention the daily sacrifice. In Matthew 24:14-20 and Mark 13:14-20 Jesus spoke of this time and indicated the setting up of the abomination would be followed by the preaching of the gospel to the whole world, which would be followed, in turn, by the great tribulation - the vial judgments - and He stated that these days, the last 45 days of great tribulation, would be shortened. The second 3 years, I think, are the time of Jacob's Trouble. It, too, is a time of great tribulation but I think you will agree it will not be as great as the tribulation of the vial judgments. Maranatha!

My reply

> > 2 witnesses...will not be killed until...the end of the 1,260 days. They will, then, lie on the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days and then be caught up to heaven, at which time there will be a great earthquake which will kill 7,000 men...it is reasonable to conclude it will prevent the beast from setting up the abomination until 1,290 days AFTER the daily sacrifice is taken away.

It doesn't seem reasonable to me. If the first half of the Tribulation is 1260 days, why do you think the sacrificing stops then? Something has to happen to cause it. I can't accept that it is going to be 1260 days + another 1290 days BEFORE the abomination is placed.

We agree on the first 1260 days of the Tribulation, then the 2 witnesses are killed. There are 1260 days in the first half of the 7 years and 1260 days in the second half. Those 2520 days are only shortened to 2300 (Dan. 8:14) for the elect (Mt. 24:22), so now we're dealing with 1260 days + 1260 days. Let's compare Rev. 12 and Dan. 12. In Rev. 12, we find that Satan is cast down to Earth when he only has dominion over Earth for another 1260 days. Dominion will be taken away from him at the Judgment of the Nations at the end of the 2520 days. So what does Satan do? He persecutes Israel.

It has to be that very day because she flees and is to be nourished 1260 days "from the face of the serpent" (Satan, Rev. 12:14). The ministry of Moses and Elijah is over. They can now be killed. Rev. 11:7 says, "And when they shall have finished their (1260-day) testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan, who was 'cast out into the earth,' Rev. 12:9) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." Moses and Elijah are killed that very day. Why?

Mt. 24:14-16 says, " then shall THE END (the last 1260 days, the Great Tribulation) come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea FLEE into the mountains." We found out from Rev. 12:14 that they FLEE Mid-Trib and are protected for the next 1260 days from the face of the serpent. Therefore, the abomination of desolation is placed in the holy place Mid-Trib, just as soon as the testimony of Moses and Elijah is finished.

According the Dan. 12, there are three sets of days that start when that abomination of desolation is placed in the holy place Mid-Trib. They are 1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days. The 1260 days are the "time, times, and an half" (3.5 years = 1260 days) of v. 7. Dan. 12:11 says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." The extra 30 days may be for mourning the dead and departed. Daniel is to stand in his own lot of land in Israel on the 1335th day.

Dan. 12:11 shows us that the daily sacrifice is taken away the same day the abomination of desolation is set up in the holy place. We already know that the 2 witnesses are killed this day, and those in Judea flee this day too. Things fall apart the same day Satan is cast into the Earth. He doesn't waste a bit of time.

He enters into the False Prophet, son of perdition like Judas Iscariot, that man of sin, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He places the abomination of desolation, and because the temple is now defiled, the sacrificing stops. Like Nebuchadnezzar, the Satan-possessed False Prophet will order people to bow down to the image (Isa. 44:19) or be killed. Guess what? The two witnesses won't bow down, and he kills them that very day. Their testimony is finished. He thinks to make an example of them. They are not even buried. They are to get no respect, even in death--he thinks.

Rev. 11:7-9 says, " And when they (the 2 witnesses) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan in the False Prophet's body) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified (Jerusalem). And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

Resurrection comes on the 3rd day. Symbolically, it did for Jonah. It did for Jesus. It is likely to for the Bride at the Rapture. It does for the 2 witnesses. The Lord says, "Come up hither" and they ascend to Heaven (Rev. 11:12). Within one hour the earthquake hits.

There was an earthquake when the graves were opened after Jesus was crucified. There is an earthquake when Jesus says "Come up hither" to the 2 witnesses. Just maybe there will be an earthquake when he says, "Come up hither" at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Amos 1:1 mentions "two years before the earthquake." Could there be a connection? 1998 was plainly marked in several ways, will it also turn out to be "two years before the earthquake"?

> > at the end of the 30 days, when the beast sets up the abomination, the vials will be poured out and the succeeding 45 days ( blessed are they that come to the 1,335 days) are the days that will be shortened for the elect's sake. The elect (in this case) will be all those, worldwide, who will enter the millennium in their natural state

The days that are shorted are the second 1260 days. They are shortened to 1040 days, because the whole period when the Jews sacrifice and when they can't because the temple is desecrated = 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) (2300 - 1260 = 1040). The elect are those that are taken to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the 2300th day. I think it will be Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

> > I think it is significant that in both scriptures, where Jesus speaks of the setting up of the abomination, He does not mention the daily sacrifice.

But Dan. 12:11 does: "And from the time that the daily SACRIFICE shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

> > In Matthew 24:14-20 and Mark 13:14-20 Jesus spoke of this time and indicated the setting up of the abomination would be followed by the preaching of the gospel to the whole world

The gospel is preached BEFORE the abomination is set up. Mt. 24:14-16 says, " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and THEN shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains."

> > The second 3 years, I think, are the time of Jacob's Trouble

The DAY of Jacob's Trouble is, I think, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). At that time, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" (Dan. 12:11). This is the Day of God's Wrath and the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Agape

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Visited your site today.

I gave up placing times on the rapture. All I know is Jesus gave 40 years from 1967 and that Holy Spirit said in a vision it would about the life of a watch battery beginning last year near the end.

I am looking forward to the marriage feast. The menu must be fantastic!

My reply

I am hoping for the Rapture on Pentecost, 2000. I agree with your 1967 + 40 years. The shortened Tribulation is 2300 days (Dan. 8:14). This includes the time the Jews can sacrifice plus the time they can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple Mid-Trib. I think those 2300 days of the Seventieth Week of Daniel start on Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001), the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, and end on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets.

Mt. 24:7,8 (NIV) says, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of BIRTH PAINS." Human gestation is 40 weeks. I think this stands for the final 40 years of probation for Israel, from the Six-Day War of 1967 (when she grew leaves [Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank] and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34) to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007.

Isa. 66:6-10 (KJV) says, "A voice of noise from the city (Jerusalem), a voice from the temple (as the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place), a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies (Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007). Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child (Jesus, on Tishri 1 in BC 5). Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed (Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007), she brought forth her children (after a 40-year gestation). Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her." Those that are born after the Pre-Trib Rapture will live on into the Millennium on Earth.

Mary brought forth the man child, Jesus, as the former rain on Tishri 1, after a 40-week gestation.
Jerusalem will also bring forth her children as the former rain on Tishri 1, after a 40-year gestation.

Hos. 6:3 says, " the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1 (First Advent). The latter rain starts Nisan 1 (Second Advent).

I had a dream of attending a meal in Heaven. Ed was with me in this huge building filled with long tables covered with white tablecloths. We sat on long benches. I had food on my plate, turned around to find salt and saw a boy that had accepted Christ because of me before he was killed in Viet Nam at a different table across the aisle and back a bit. Too bad, I can't remember for you what kind of food was on my plate. :-)

In an earlier dream, Ed and I were outside, walking toward the doorway of the same huge building, when this same boy ran up to greet us and hugged me. I know he is there, he signed a letter, "Your son in God" shortly before he was killed, but I don't know if the other details are right. I'll have to wait until I get there to know if it is really like that or not.

I had written him letters to try to get him to accept Christ. He barely made it before he stepped on a land mine. That is really snatching a brand from the fire. I wish I had saved copies of my hand-written letters. They were a connected Bible study with a package of Kool Aid or sticks of chewing gum enclosed in each one. I couldn't do it again as well. It was the Lord's doing to get that boy into the fold before it was forever too late. Agape

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Subject: RE: 5-5-2000
Last night I read your articals; "Gods picture book The Way" and "Projected Chronology of the end time events". I always thought that the Zodiac was occultic in nature, your point about Satan perverting it makes sense to me because that's what he does, perverts Gods creation. I never thought about God creating the heavens to be a picture book as you mention. I never poundered the possibility. Perhaps I should attain this book you refer to by Seiss "gospel in the stars" so it would be clearly seen by me. Some books that have helped me understand end time events are: "End time events" Charles Capps "Are we living in the Last days" John Hagee "Global peace and the rise of the antichrist" David Hunt Up here in Minnesota avery year for the past few years has been a messianic Jewish festival of Shavout (feast of weeks). I missed last year but the previous couple of years have been great. I have felt the presence of God there more intensely than ever before. They have it in 3 places in the country each year. California might be one of the places it is held. Take care

My reply

There are 3 good books on the gospel in the stars.
The Zodiac Conspiracy, by F. Chris Patrick (1993)
You can contact Christ Patrick at: Fpat888777@aol.com, or at (334) 450-0208

The Gospel in the Stars, by Joseph A. Seiss (orig. 1882, reprinted 1972, Kregel Publ)

The Witness of the Stars, by E.W. Bullinger (orig. 1893)
Online at: http://philologos.org (Hislop's Two Babylons is there also)

I think the exact URL for Bullinger's book is:
http://philologos.org/_eb-tws/default.htm
That isn't a space before eb, it is the underline mark. It got lost when the whole thing was underlined.

I find the study of God's Zodiac fascinating. It looks to me like GEMINI is the sign of the Rapture. The Sun enters GEMINI May 21, and moves on to CANCER June 22. Pentecost, June 9/10, 2000, fits into that slot nicely.

I think Song of Sol. 2:10-14 shows that it will be in the spring. The parable of the fig tree in Mt. 24:32-34 says, "summer is nigh." That parable in Lu. 21:29-31 says, "And when these things (signs in the Sun, Moon and stars, v. 25) begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your REDEMPTION draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth (leaf out), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand."

Mt. 24:32-34 says, " Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel); When his branch (klados, scion, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (no more than 19 years old, i.e., 1967), and putteth forth leaves (grows), ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near, even AT THE DOORS. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." The "OPEN DOOR" is set before the Church of Philadelphia (Rev. 3:8). Noah was given a 7-day warning, when he loaded the Ark. There is a chance that the anniversary of Christ's Ascension Day is a 10-day warning for us to get on the ship ARGO (i.e., to get in Christ). Ten days are mentioned in Christ's message to the churches in Rev. 2:10. Maybe the DOOR of Heaven is open ten days, from Ascension Day to Pentecost.

There is a chance that the Church would be born into another new world on Ascension Day. Human gestation is 40 weeks. Ascension Day is 40 days from Resurrection Day, but Christ ascended on that day. He is the head of the Body of Christ. The head comes first, then the body follows. Pentecost is the wheat harvest too. Boaz chose Ruth near Pentecost. God chose Israel at Sinai at Pentecost. To me, it seems to be the best choice for the Rapture.

Eph. 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." Eph. 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Eph. 3:10 says, "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God."

Who is sitting together resting in heavenly places with the Bridegroom (Christ) in GEMINI? the Bride. They are sitting on the ecliptic, where all the planets travel (i.e., Heaven is a planet). The Bride has the harp of the redeemed (Rev. 5:8) in her lap. She sings the new song in Rev. 5:9: "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast REDEEMED us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Agape

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Subject: Interesting Thought
Just read the Scripture you quoted II Cor 6:16, where it says that believers are the "Temple of the Living God."

The counterpart of this in the Old Testament as you know is that the completion of the Second Temple was symbolic and prophetic of the building and completion of the Heavenly Temple - the "church."

In Ezra 6:15: "And this house was finished on the third day."

Third day (Hebrew words) multiplies to 5760!

My reply

Interesting. How about Pentecost, 1998, Pentecost, 1999, and Pentecost, 2000? Would that qualify for 3rd day? Agape

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Subject: deliverance
Psalm 32:4-7, "I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found; surely in the floods of great waters they shallnot come nigh unto him. Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.

As you have said, we must confess our sins, to be sure we are ready for the first rapture. The word deliverance is #6405 in Strong's, "pallet," escape, whose primary root is #6403, "palat," to slip out, carry away safe. This same #6403 is used in Psalm 91:14, "Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name."

My reply

Thanks. I doubt if I ever looked up "deliver" in this verse. I just knew what being set on high represented. Escape sure fits in with Lu. 21:36. Agape

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Subject: I'm confused on Year of Man
I'm suffering from ignorance; can you help? Why do so many believe that we are in the 6000th year when the year of man does not match up? The year of man is only 5760 at present, so wouldn't it make more sense that the 6000th year is 240 years away?

Your response would be sincerely appreciated. In Christ

My reply

The Jewish Year 5760 is not the year of man. The Jewish Calendar was started in BC 3761. Strange as it may seem, I don't think this could possibly be the 6000th year of man either. I think 6040 AH (Anno Hominae, year of man) = Jewish 5758 = our 1997/1998. I worked on Bible Chronology for several years, and think Adam was in the Garden of Eden 40 years (40 means testing and probation) before he was cast out. Thus, the first Adam was tested 40 years. The second Adam (Jesus Christ) was tested 40 days. It fits.

When Adam was cast out, I think man's 7000 years of testing began. At that time, man was mortal and knew both good and evil. There seem to be some extra years inserted between the 6000th year and the beginning of the last millennium. I think they are so that the Tribulation could be left out if Israel would come to the Lord in time. Eccl. 8:5 says, "a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment." I think the judgment years are inserted in the timeline. There also seem to be what I call Israel's grace years before the Tribulation begins.

Lu. 13:6-9 says, " He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (Israel) planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."

I have an idea the Palestinian State may be associated with the digging and dunging. What do you think? Agape

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Re: Two Raptures? Does That Mean Three Resurrections?
I have become an avid reader of your postings on prophecy. The question just came to me, "how do you explain only two resurrections?" If there are two raptures, doesn't that imply three resurrections? God Bless You

My reply

I'm glad you enjoy all my hard work. It keeps my nose to the grindstone, but nevertheless, it is a labor of love. There is nothing else so intensely interesting to me, nothing else I'd rather be doing.

There are two resurrections. The "first resurrection" is "the resurrection of the just" (also called "the resurrection of life"). It takes place on or before the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The second resurrection is "the resurrection of damnation." It takes place at the end of the Millennium.

Jn. 5:29 says, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Lu. 14:14 says, "And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just."

Rev. 20:5,6 says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

In the first resurrection, there are different ranks. I Cor. 15:20-23 says, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Christ is the head of the Body of Christ. He is the firstfruit. After his resurrection, some others came out of their graves and appeared in Jerusalem (Mt. 27:53). Christ was The Seed. Those others were the rest of the sheaf offered on the Feast of Firstfruits.

We are the firstfruits, to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. We are the wave loaves baked with leaven offered on Pentecost. The heat of the baking kills the leaven, which stands for evil.

Later, on the day the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30) is seen in the sky, the rest of the believers will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the first day of the Millennium. This seems to complete the heavenly group. Agape

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Thank you for your response to my email. It does look like the Palestinians are the ones doing the digging around Israel. Your work is extremely thoughtful. No matter what, your work has opened my eyes to seeing scripture that I had normally passed by.

I made my first discovery today: In any of the teachings I have heard on Noah's Ark, not one person has mentioned that the animals were tame. Today I read it, as though I had seen it for the first time. Even my sister, who has studied creation, has said to me that the animals were small and that's how Noah was able to get them all in the ark.

Well, I've enjoyed your site very much, and I look forward to reading more of it. In Christ

My reply

You know something, I think there was a pair of elephants on that Ark. In some of my reading, the author said that it was as big an an ocean liner of today. Noah and his family may have needed 120 years to get all the wood together, cut it, shape it and securely fasten it in place. It was quite an achievement. They must have had "brass and iron," as we see both mentioned in Genesis 4. The entry into the Ark is told in Genesis 7.

Wonder if they used a saw made out of brass? It sounds like it would do the job. Their wood was gopher, cypress, wood, used by the Phoenicians for shipbuilding because if its lightness and durability. Do you know how two pieces of wood could have been shaped to fit close together? You can fasten them together as close as possible to the ultimate position they are to be in relative to each other and saw between them with a hand saw. Simple, but effective.

I think you are right about tame animals. God obviously took charge of the animal loading. Gen. 6:20 says, "Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort SHALL COME UNTO THEE, to keep them alive." "Gen. 7:7-9 says, " And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two UNTO NOAH into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah." Noah and his sons didn't go hunting and trapping.

Talk about faith. That man had FAITH. He didn't know any more than we would of how that part of Operation Ark would be carried out. He just had to trust that if God said it would happen, IT WOULD HAPPEN. And it did. We need that kind of faith today as we await the Rapture. "Enoch walked with God" (Gen. 5:24), Noah "walked with God" (Gen. 6:9), and we must walk with God. Agape


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