There is alot if Christians out there who think that there are ample scriptures that point to the middle of the trib as the time of the rapture.Could you explain this?
However, that was the wrong assumption. What finally got it straight in my head was reading the end of Dan. 11 WITH Dan. 12. The chapter division had thrown me off. Dan. 11:36-45 is talking about the False Prophet. That last verse says, "yet he (the False Prophet) shall come to HIS END, and none shall help him." That can't be Mid-Trib, when he first comes to full power. Then Dan. 12:1,2 says, " And at that time (when the False Prophet shall be deposed from office) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time (the worst time of trouble, i.e, the Day of God's Wrath) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."
Only then could I see where the Pre-Wrath Rapture was placed in Revelation. The sixth seal is opened in Rev. 6:12. That is the Preparation of the Feast of Trumpets. As soon as 6:00 PM comes, "THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME" (6:17). Next, we see the Tribulation saints in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. After that, in Rev. 8, the 7th seal is broken and the 7 trumpet judgments that are to hit Earth on the Day of God's Wrath are released. Agape
Do you agree that Satan and His fallen angels were cast down to earth once before? If not, who are those that inhabited the cities in verse 26 during the wrath of God when the earth was formless and void before creation? When was Satan cast down to Rahab? At that time did he have access to heaven? Was the destruction of Rahab a part of the judgment of earth? After the judgment spoken about in the above verses and is hinted at in Genesis 1:1, Satan must have still had access to heaven or maybe Rahab, to appear again on earth to tempt Eve. I am trying to sort this out. There is not a lot of evidence in the Bible besides the above and the verses you give about Rahab that indicate what preceded Genesis 1:1. Did Satan lose access to heaven and regain it in the past or did he never lose it and will only lose it halfway through the 7 years? If there can be no sin in heaven, how can he have access? Could you give me some insight into some of these areas? Thanks for your wisdom. Your brother in Jesus
They are making an assumption that is not true. Just because there will come a time when "there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth" (Rev. 21:27), that does not mean that has always been true, or that it is even true at the present time. As you know, we must rightly divide the word of truth.
The time when Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven down to Earth in Rev. 12:7-10 is at the midpoint of the Tribulation between the first set of 1260 days (Rev. 11:3) and the second set of 1260 days (Rev. 12:6,14). That is when "the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." At least from Job 1, the oldest chapter in the Bible, to the middle of the Tribulation, Satan is able to access Heaven.
Job 4:18 says, "his angels he charged (sounds like in court) with folly." Job 15:15 says, "THE HEAVENS ARE NOT CLEAN IN HIS SIGHT."
In studying these things, we need to keep in mind that there are types, shadows, of future events and echoes of previous events in some scriptures. Job 8:8-10 says, "enquire, I pray thee, of the FORMER AGE, and prepare thyself to the SEARCH of THEIR FATHERS: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because OUR DAYS ON EARTH ARE A SHADOW:) Shall not THEY TEACH THEE, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?" Job. 11:5,6 says, "oh that God would speak...And that he would shew thee THE SECRETS OF WISDOM, that THEY ARE DOUBLE (duplicates) TO THAT WHICH IS!."
Isa. 24: 6,19-22 tells what will happen on the Day of God's Wrath as the Millennium begins. It says, "Therefore hath the curse (Satan's asteroid called Wormwood, Zech. 5:3; Rev. 8:11) devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left....The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass in that day (Day of God's Wrath), that the LORD shall punish THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES THAT ARE ON HIGH (the wicked angels), and the kings of the earth UPON THE EARTH. And they shall be (later, after Armageddon) gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be SHUT UP IN THE PRISON." After Armageddon, the wicked angels will no longer be free.
> > When Satan originally rebelled it seems that he was kicked off the planet heaven to earth where the angelic creation that were fallen corrupted the planet and were subsequently judged in the flooded earth that we see in Genesis 1:1.
These are things we cannot be certain of. All I can do is give my opinion. I think the planet Rahab (now the Asteroid Belt) was originally assigned to the angels. Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (incarnate Christ, Isa. 52:10; 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days (as the pre-incarnate Christ, YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6), in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (the angel's 'FIRST ESTATE,' Jude 6 ), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"
Isa. 51:9-16 (NEB) says, "Awake, awake, put on your strength, O arm of the LORD, awake as you did long ago, in days gone by, Was it not you who HACKED THE RAHAB IN PIECES AND RAN THE DRAGON THROUGH?...the LORD of Hosts is my name. I cleft the sea and its waves roared, that I might fix the heavens in place (with the 'third heaven' being the throne of Christ) and form the earth" (i.e., bring up dry land out of the waters).
Isa. 42:5 (JB) says, "Yahweh, who created (bara) the heavens and spread them out, who HAMMERED INTO SHAPE THE EARTH."
Isa. 51:15,16 (Ampl) says, "I am the Lord your God, Who STIRS UP THE SEA so that its waves roar, and by rebuke restrains it...I have...covered you in the shadow of My hand, that I may FIX THE NEW HEAVENS AS A TABERNACLE, AND LAY THE FOUNDATIONS OF A NEW EARTH."
Isa. 51:9,10 (Lamsa) says, "Awake, awake, put on strength. O arm of the LORD; awake as in the ancient days, as in the generations of old. Shurly it was thou that didst DECREE A SEVERE SENTENCE THAT DIDST SLAY THE DRAGON. It was thou that didst dry the sea, the waters of the great deep."
I find it significant that a stone hit Earth just before the first Adam was given dominion, and another stone will hit Earth just after the Second Adam is given dominion.
Job. 26:11-14 says, "The pillars (uprights, i.e., the righteous) of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof (garah, rebuke, used of God rebuking enemies and preparing destruction as a consequence). He DIVIDETH THE SEA (formed the Pacific Basin with an impact explosion) with his power, and by his understanding HE SMITETH THROUGH THE PROUD ('RAHAB,' 7293, proud, strength; from 'rahab,' 7272, urge severely, act insolently, proudly, embolden, strengthen). By his spirit he hath garnished (shiphrah, made bright, luminous) the heavens (because of the impact blast); his hand (Christ, Psa. 80:17) hath formed (chuwl, to twist or whirl, fall grievously [with pain], make, be wounded) the crooked (bariyach, fugitive, fleeing) serpent (Satan). Lo, these are PARTS OF HIS WAYS: but how little a portion is heard of him?" The JB says, "ALL WE CATCH OF IT IS THE FEEBLEST ECHO." The Bible is roughly about 7000 years. We only have hints of before and after that. Job 26:13 in the Lamsa Bible says, "By his spirit he manages the heavens; his hand (Christ) SLEW the fleeing serpent." Job 26:13 (LXX) says, "by a command he has SLAIN THE APOSTATE DRAGON." Gen. 1:9 (NAB) says, "Let the water under the sky be gathered into A SINGLE BASIN, SO THAT THE DRY LAND MAY APPEAR."
There is so much that we don't know, that we can only guess at. From the sketchy echos of previous things we get, it is hard to be certain of some things. Did the angels originally have bodies? Were they made spirits later? Were they on Earth before Adam, or was Earth just hit by a stray piece of the planet Rahab after it broke up? Was Satan put here for the first time in the Garden of Eden? I think that asteroid did expel the Moon material and dig our Pacific Basin, both things the Lord planned to prepare for mankind's era. Mars obviously was damaged badly on one side, but we do not know what might have been there before, except it did have more water, and probably more atmosphere, than now. We know plants and animals were on Earth before Adam. We know that by the time spoken of in Job 1, Satan went to and fro in the Earth and walked up and down in it, but that was in Job's day, not Adams. Whether the first time Satan was on Earth was when Adam was put upon it, I don't know. Like you, I wonder. Scientists now say that Neanderthal DNA is not related to modern human DNA. We could have told them that a long time ago, but they wouldn't have believed it. Still, it is interesting and reassuring information. Whatever was on Earth before Adam was not like Adamic man. What we accepted anyway by faith now has evidence to back it up that might convince a few skeptics.
There is an angelic conflict. It seems that Satan and 1/3rd of the angels sinned, were judged, and sentenced to prison. Satan must have appealed the sentence, because he will not be put in prison until after the Second Advent, Judgment of the Nations, and finally Armageddon. Satan may have said that God was not just in consigning them to prison. One of the attributes of God is perfect justice. He may have created man to prove that he was just in sentencing the fallen angels to prison. If man, a smaller less powerful creature that could not see God, could yet obey Him, God would be proved just in consigning the fallen angels to prison. They were tested being able to see God. This kind of scenario would explain why there is such a fierce battle over the souls of mankind.
Since 1/3rd of the angels fell, I wonder if the saved of mankind will replace those angels in the government of God. To me, it seems very likely. Even the pictorial gospel in the stars lends itself to that idea. Draco's tail wraps part way around the Lesser Sheepfold/Ursa Minor/Little Dipper. Alpha Draconis (Thuban) was the pole star 4,500 years ago. Now Polaris (Alpha in Ursa Minor/The Lesser Sheepfold) is the pole star. A star in Draco is Giansar (the punished enemy). Polaris is also called Cynosure, meaning The Center. It is all according to the original plan that it be the pole star in our days.
Psa. 104:1-9 says, " Bless the LORD...Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain (of the Tabernacle, 10 widths with cherubim emproidered on them = 10 original planets): Who layeth the beams of HIS CHAMBERS in the waters: who maketh the clouds (of Saturn?) his chariot: who walketh (orbits) upon the wings of the wind: Who MAKETH (asah, refashions) HIS ANGELS SPIRITS; his ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains (Gen 1:2). At thy rebuke (garah, reproof and destruction as a consequence) they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains (dashed forcefully); they go down by the valleys (cutting vast canyons) unto THE PLACE (the Pacific Basin) which thou hast founded for them." Gen. 1:9 says, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE (the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land appear."
> > Isaiah 45:18 says that God did not create the earth tohuw or without form and void. So it had to become formless and void through corruption by an angelic creation prior to the creation of Adam.
Earth was created perfect and to be inhabited. That takes care of the plant and animal population that we know was here. Earth did BECOME tohu and bohu (waste and desolation), and the planet Rahab was destroyed because of the fall of Satan and his angels. Whether the angels were here prior to the Garden of Eden, I don't know. I do know that whatever was here was not Adamic man.
Psa. 74;12-17 (Berkeley) says, "God is my King from of old, who has worked salvation in the midst of the earth. It was Thou who didst DIVIDE THE SEA by Thy Power; It was Thou who didst CRUSH THE HEADS OF THE DRAGONS ON THE WATERS. It was Thou who didst smash the heads of the Leviathan, givein him AS FOOD TO THE ANIMALS OF THE DESERT...It was Thou who didst fix all the boundaries of the earth; summer and winter are the work of Thy hand" (Earth's axis is tilted).
> > Jeremiah 4:23-26
Before this passage, v. 14 says, "O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. By v. 26, we see the presence (paheh, face) of the LORD (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30) and "his fierce anger" that is to fall on Jerusalem on the Day of God's Wrath. Verse 31 says, " For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion." So it is talking basically of the end of this age. However, just as when the Rapture is "at hand" in Revelation 2 and 3, Jesus mentioned things of the past and stretched it up to date, he has done the same type of thing here in Jeremiah 4. Why mention the past? because something similar is going to take place at the end of this age, but not so severe that it causes mass extinction again. In this passage, we can compare the two disasters.
Jer. 4:23 says, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light." I agree with you that "The only place in the Bible that has this scenario is Genesis 1:1." The parallel we are supposed to pick up on is that the future time will also be a day of thick darkness (Joel 2:1-3).
24: "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly." The worldwide earthquake will be true both times. The former is just more severe. Animals were buried alive. Whole forests were buried. That time was a terrible catastrophe, a world in upheaval.
25: "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled." This is true both times, in the former day, "there was no man." In the latter day, men will hide in the rocks and caves.
26: "I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger." In the past, "the fruitful place was a wilderness." In the latter day, the cities will be broken down, every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20), the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen, and the Day of God's Wrath will arrive.
27: "For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end." In the past, the whole land became desolate. There was mass destruction. In the future, he will "not make a full end."
28: "For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it." Both times the heaven are black. Job 38:9 speaks of the past: "When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it."
29: "The whole city (Jerusalem) shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen (they are being attacked by Gog's army); they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks (hide): every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein." Here the comparison is dropped and we are totally in the future. We have benefited both ways from the comparison.The past has enriched our understanding of the future. The future has shed light on the dim past.
Here is Jer. 4
> > When was Satan cast down to Rahab? At that time did he have access to heaven? Was the destruction of Rahab a part of the judgment of earth?
I think Satan was assigned Rahab from the beginning. I don't know if he had access to Heaven or if that came about after his judgment and sentencing. I doubt that the splitting apart of Rahab was judgment on Earth. It probably served to make oil and coal reserves for mankind's use, and it blasted off the material that formed the Moon. It brought dry land out of the sea by forming a basin for the waters. Agape
Keep looking up!!
P.S. I have ordered your book "Revelations 2000 " and anxiously cant wait to read it.
I'm glad Ed got me on the Internet. I had to learn a lot to get my first Web page up, for I didn't even know HTML existed, but I got it up within a month after he signed us up, and without a book to help me. Because we have to struggle to make ends meet, I had to go out on the Internet and find HTML guides, color chart, etc. I had to DL an HTML editor and an FTP client program and learn enough to use their basic functions without a manual. I never did find out what lots of functions were for in BBEdit, but I type in my HTML codes myself, so that doesn't matter. With the Lord's help, I managed. Neither of us ever dreamed that I would end up with this much material on my Web site. Only the Lord knew that.
Your PO said 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed. I shipped it today. Hope that is what you wanted. Agape
Also read Modern Parallels: http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/parallels.html
This is why I thought Pentecost, 1998 might be the Rapture. It looks to me like we are running out of time now too. The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, and ratified 3 days later in Israel, on Tishri 1. If they follow that pattern with the Final Status Agreement, it would be ratified on Tishri 1, Sept. 30, 2000, the first day of 5761, the year I expect the Tribulation to start, on the following Feast of Weeks.
Just be ready from now to whenever it happens. Some people figure Pentecost differently. Just read a file last night that said Sun., May 14, 2000 could be the true Pentecost, going by the New Moon of Nisan (Jews set their calendar from the New Moon of Tishri). I go by Tishri too, because that was the day God rested after creating Adam. That was when this "kosmos" (order of things) began operating. Others figure Fri., Sivan 6 (June 9), Sat., Sivan 7 (June 10) or Sun., Sivan 8 (June 11). I favor the Sabbath, Sivan 7 (June 10, Jerusalem time), but any of them would be fine with me. :-)
The 7 good years that started when the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993, seem to be winding down. The United Religions charter is to be signed June 26, 2000, the Final Status Peace Agreement to be signed Sept. 13, 2000. The Temple preparations are ready. Time is getting short. Agape
You have been such a fatihful steward of the knowledge that has been revealed to you over the years and I am eternally grateful for your website! Remember "88 reason why Jesus will return in '88". So many christians have been burned by these false hopes that their heart seems a bit hardened to hear any hope again so the standard phrases now are: "Well, the reality is, we are to live every day as if Jesus is coming back tomorrow." or "The minute someone gives you a date, you can rest assured that it will not happen then." I have never in all my reading of eshcatalogy seen the rapture expounded from Genesis to Revelation as you have done - WOW!
The world I live in here in St. Louis, is a relatively peaceful world, there has always been pain and evidence of man's inhumanity to man very near to me ever since I was born 44 years ago. I walk to work every day looking up and wondering how Jesus could come back now. I so hope that Pentacost this year becomes the reality that we want it to be and I pray that I am counted worthy to be included - and as long as their is breath there is hope and until June 11th comes I will hold out for that hope - I will watch! I wonder - for those who are most definitely living for the Lord and only expecting his return whenever - does their not watching and looking with anticipation exempt them from the first rapture. I know that sounds like a dumb question. I have had several opportunities to share your insights with friends and family and for every three people who think I am nuts there is at least one who looks on with me in the hope that June 2000 is it!
See you on Saturn! Much Love in Christ
I don't know. Christ is the judge. Agape
Gen. 9:13 says, "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth."
PS: I read this to Ed and looked up at the calendar to see what date Friday was. Wow! it was May 5, the date of the planetary alignment. Did you realize that? Agape
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