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Posted 5-30-00

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I have some questions to ask.

Q.1 What do you suppose takes place on may 30? What does Christ do on that day? what is its impact on a ordinary christian ?

***I can't be certain, but it seems likely that Christ will open heaven's door on Ascension Day. Rev. 3:8 says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." When the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3), the door is open. I don't know that it will have any impact on an ordinary Christian. It will probably only be realized by those that are actively watching and searching for clues.

Q.2 Israel withdrawing out of Lebanon completely after 20 years or more. What does this signify?

***I don't know, but there has to be some juggling before the Final Status Peace Agreement is confirmed and Israel gives up her right to defend herself to the UN.

Q.3 Many world famous evangelists like benny hinn and creflo dollar etc have planned world wide evangelical programs later this year. They have set dates after much prayer for their ministries.If the rapture takes place on june 10 then how can these evangelists get message from GOD to set dates for their programmes on july or december 2000 a.d? can it mean GOD will tell His ministers and pastors to carry on but can abruptly change His plans?

***Just because they say they got a message from God does not mean they really did. God's spoken word always agrees with his written word. God won't change his plans, but others might. :-)

Q.4 Does the antichrist come out of syria or the european union?

***My guess is that the False Prophet, the final Satan-possessed Antichrist, will be a Jew of the tribe of Dan, possible from Syria. The first Beast is out of the sea/nations (Rev. 13:1; 17:15).

Q.5 What role does a powerful nation like united states have in the near future?

***When the World Government takes over, all nations will lose their sovereignty.

Q.6 What actually makes us go in the rapture is it our works and infilling of the Holy spirit or purely GOD's infinte grace and mercy upon the believer?

***Both. First, we have to be saved. Second, we have to have enough oil of the Spirit of Christ. He is our medium of transportation. The Body of Christ must be firmly hooked to Him, so that when He leaves, we leave. We don't want to get spewed out of his mouth like the Laodiceans.

Q.7 Will non believers see the rapture take place ?

***Yes. Psa. 40:1-3 says, " I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up by cords covering filthy rags), out of the miry clay (the body of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Q.8 Finally what can a believer expect after getting to heaven ? what is the dema seat judgment as some evangelist preach about believers judged? can a believer be punished in heaven ?

***Job 5:24 says, "And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt VISIT THY HABITATION, and shalt not sin." The Bema Seat Judgment is the Judgment Seat of Christ. It takes place as soon as the Tribulation saints are also in Heaven. The only punishment we would get in Heaven is loss of rewards we could have earned while still on Earth.

Q.9 As someone who has spend much of her life in studying the word of GOD what would you say about the book of enoch ? or about its authencity? i recently got book of enoch..should i read it or throw it away ?

***Read it. Just know that it is not Scripture.

Q.10 Does enoch have any role to play in the future along with elijah ?

***Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses. We are not told more about Enoch, but my guess is that all of us will have work to do during the Millennium.

...i know you are very very busy with answering questions but i would be very grateful if you would answer them....

by the way since we are bodily taken up during rapture what about other things we carry? i wish to take a greeting card to give it to dear Jesus.

***Sorry, we can't take anything with us at the Rapture. We have to build up treasures in Heaven ahead of time.

GOD bless you. Looking forward to meet you in heaven

***Agape

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A thought about the upcoming Global Democracy charter
I wonder if they will name this new socialist UN organization they are about to charter "GD"?

I can think of something else GD stands for, meaning "condemned by God"...not in the profane sense, but in the righteous, biblical sense. There is certainly overwhelming biblical evidence that this "Global Democracy" New World Order/One World Government will be "condemned by God."

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RE: Rapture, From: Donald Yager: yagerdonald@netscape.net
Boy are you and your readers confused. But I am not surprised because it says in Amos 8:11 that the famine of the end time is not for food but for he truth. Check out this web site www.shepherdschapel.com and learn the REAL truth of Gods word.

***From Marilyn: We are not the ones confused. You have evidently had the wool pulled over your eyes by Pastor Arnold Murray. I listened to him on TV long enough to determine that he was right about some things and wrong about some things. If you follow along with him, step by step, it could all sound so right that you would swallow the bitter error along with the sugar coating on the pill. I just hope it isn't too late, that you still have left some objectivity, independence of mind, and that some vision is left out of the corner of your eye.

Rapture theory lie.
If you believe in the "pre-tribulation rapture" then I hope this letter will open your eyes. I do not claim to have all the answers but I can plainly see by reading the bible for myself with help from a greek and hebrew scholar that this belief is not only wrong but very dangerous!

So, what can we say about the "rapture" - the idea that Christ could come at any time and take all his people away before the tribulation. I know...Let's see what God says about it, that is, the Bible! First we should define 'Pre-trib rapture.'

The pre-tribulation rapture belief may vary from church to church or even from person to person, but simply put, it is the belief that Jesus Christ could return to the Earth at any moment, and when He does, those that believe in Him as the Son of God and as their personal savior will be sucked off the face of the Earth and float in the sky to meet Jesus in the air and go off to heaven, only to return after the tribulation ends. The pre-trib rapture belief is almost entirely based on the scripture in I Thes. 4:13-17. Also II Thes. 2:7 is often quoted in support of this belief stating that the church is the one that will be taken out of the way. (hint: It's satan).

***Oh sure! Satan's house would then be divided. In Mt. 12:25,26, Christ said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" Satan is not hindering the appearance of the wicked one, the Holy Spirit is, and true, he is also in the church. We are the salt of the Earth that retards the growth of leaven. In breadmaking, salt retards the growth of leaven, which is a symbol of evil. Too little salt and the loaf will overproof. Too much and it won't rise.

Luke 21:36 is yet another verse that appears to support the rapture.

***More than that it is a direct command from the Lord Jesus Christ. In Lu. 21:34-36, He said, " take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass (i.e., all the Tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man." Disobey Jesus at your own peril.

Another thing that many of the pre-trib people believe is that satan will be born of a woman

***I have been studying the Bible as hard as I can go for 40 years. This is the first time I have ever heard such a thing. Satan will instead enter into the False Prophet Mid-Trib.

and have supernatural powers as a man that he will use to fool the people remaining on Earth - those that were not raptured away - into worshiping him as Christ, AKA "The Anti Christ." (Just to make it right, the word "Anti" when properly translated means "Instead of" thus changing the whole thing from "Anti Christ" to "Instead of Christ". Satan wants to be as Christ.

OK, now for the real truth directly from the bible, not from the traditions of men! You will need a KJV bible and a Strong's exhaustive concordance.

1) The word "rapture" is nowhere to be found in the entire bible.

***Neither is the word Trinity. The Greek word for "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17 is "harpazo." It is "rapiemir" in my Latin translation. That came over into English as Rapture. You are welcome to call it "harpazo" if you'd rather. That is in the Bible.

The rapture theory is a TRADITION OF MAN started by a woman named Margaret MacDonald in England in 1830.

You have been sold a bill of goods that is untrue. The Rapture was taught way back. Between 374 and 627 AD, Pseudo-Ephraem wrote this in his 1500-page sermon. "All the saints and elect of God are GATHERED together BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, which is to come, and ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Even she said that her so-called vision seemed evil at first. Too bad a couple of uneducated pastors listened to her and began to spread the lie - the big lie. The commercials say that cocaine is "The big lie." In reality, the rapture theory in this final generation is "THE BIG LIE!" (Rev. 17:1 - 2)

***The big lie is that the rapture theory is false. Too bad you have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

2) II Thes. 2:1-12 - Paul writes a second letter to these people concerning the return of Christ and the gathering back to Him. He writes to clarify himself and stop the confusion as to when Christ will return. It will NOT happen until AFTER that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition! The son of perdition is only one possible being and that is satan (Ezekiel 28:13-19). He is the only one sentenced to perish before judgement day. Also there will be a falling away first. The falling away is the great apostasy which is the belief that satan is Christ and to worship him as Christ.

***The falling away is apostasia, THE DEPARTURE, as in apostacion, SEPARATION, as in a divorce, as in apospao, TO DRAW AWAY. Apostasia was translated "the departure" in early Bibles: The Geneva Bible, Tyndale's translation, Cranmer's version, the Great Bible, Breecher's Bible, Beza's translation and the Coverdale Bible. Are you smarter at translating than they were?

Wow! What a setup! If you believe Christ will come to rapture you away, then satan has already got you marked! You will flee to him when he comes in all his glory - or so it seems glorious - to take his people away. He will be the false Christ saying, "Come aboard and go get all your friends and family cause we are going to fly outta here." This is where the delivering up of the TRUE believers happens, the delivering up of the elect.

***You swallowed pure poison here. Heb. 12:25 says, "See that ye REFUSE NOT him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more SHALL NOT WE ESCAPE, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM THAT SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN."

***I Cor. 10:13 says, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make A WAY TO ESCAPE (ekbasin, go up out of), that ye may be able to bear it."

***Isa. 57:1 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPES, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME."

3) I Thes 4:13-17 - We will meet Christ in the air. Look up this word "air" in the Strong's concordance. It's the breath of life spiritual body - nothing to do with the sky! I Corintians 15:52 - We will be changed to our spiritual bodies instantly when Christ returns! No hesitating. No waiting time. Instantly! Don't be confused by ignorant people saying it's the sky!

***Rev. 9:2 also uses "aer." It says, "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the AIR "aer" were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Try substituting here. You would say that the sun and the breath of life spiritual were darkened by reason of the smoke. That's makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

Note: The only way "aer" is translated in the NT is "air," 7 times. Strong's has that "aer" is from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e., respire; by anal. to blow), but gives the translation as "air." Aer is not aemi. It is derived from aemi. Strong's continues: "'air' (as naturally circumambient) :--air."

4) Revelation 20:2-3 - Satan is not a man born of a woman. He will be comming as a supernatural entity thus EASILY fooling all those that do not have the seal of God. Man is not prepared to deal with a supernatural being and will believe this one is GOD or Christ! Satan will come in the same way that Jesus will be comming. He will look like God to most. The word "man" is used for satan because satan is a mere man to God amongst other reasons. Look up the word "Gabriel" in the Storng's. What does it say? "Man of God". Yet Gabriel is an archangel, not born of a woman! Go figure.

5) Revelation 11:3-16 - The two witnesses from God will be here to help those with the seal of God to get through the tribulation and will have special powers but will be killed by the false Christ (satan) and all the people that think satan is Christ will celebrate over the bodies. But after three days the two will rise up and come back to life and this is when the REAL Christ returns and is also when the rapture believers and all others deceived will be weeping and gnashing their teeth because of their shame - they were worshiping SATAN! Christ will return on the SEVENTH TRUMP (7th).

***Not hardly. The seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth, and then 7 months go by before Christ returns. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

This is also the last trump as mentioned in I Corinthians 15:52. Christ returning at ANY time before this 7th trump is NEVER mentioned! It is ONLY on the LAST (7th) trump that His return will take place! Remember, satan comes on the 6th trump - 6th seal - 6th vial. But Christ comes on the 7th (last) trump. Six comes before seven and these trumps mentioned in Revelation are in chronological order. Don't be the one taken, because they are taken by satan, NOT Christ!!!

***Those 7 trumpet judgments are sounded by angels. The first TRUMP "OF GOD" is sounded in I Thess. 4:16. This is the Pre-Trib Rapture. These are "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" and are before the throne in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. There is a second Rapture, for the Tribulation saints. That is the "LAST TRUMP" of I Cor. 15:51,52. It is sounded before the first of the 7 trumpet judgments sound. This group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14, before the seventh seal is opened in Rev. 8. The 7 trumpets come out of the 7th seal.

6) I Thessalonians 5:1-3, 2 Peter 3:10 - The Lord will come as a thief in the night. Why will the lord come as a thief in the night? The rapture people think it means that He will come at any time when you are not necessarily expecting Him.

***I Thess. 5:1-11 says, " But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren (believers), are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE ARE NOT OF THE NIGHT, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but LET US WATCH and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH (i.e., the 7 trumpet judgments), but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together" (as in I Thess. 4:18).

Well, they are partly right because they, the rapture people, will not be expecting Him. Why? Because all the people in the world except for His elect will be worshipping satan thinking that he is Christ, so why would they think Christ is yet to come? This will be the time that they least expect him. And then...WHAM! Christs return will instantly reveal satan for who he is and those worshiping him, satan, will be astonished and wish to die. Are you going to be one of them or will you hold out for the REAL Jesus? (Matthew 24:13)

***I hope you wake up in time. In Rev. 3:3, Jesus is warning you in no uncertain terms. He said, " If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."

7) Amos 8:11 - The famine of the end times is not for food or water but for the TRUTH! The truth of Gods Word! Most, yes, most churches, christian or not, will be fooled! Will you? A true pastor will teach ALL the bible!

***Well, have you been taught right? or has something been left out?

8) Revelation 22:10 and 22:16-19 The book of revelation IS to be taught and understood as it says "Seal NOT the sayings of the prophecy of this book". And by Christs own admission in the chapter. Teach ALL Revelation!

A final word on the topic:
The escape plan that most pastors teach today is a lie. What are they running from? God says that he will take care of us during the tribulation and not one hair on our head will perish (Luke 21:12-19). We have nothing to fear for God is not angry with us (His elect). Christians are to be strong and stand against this one and his followers. We are not to be a bunch of wimps that need to run and hide from trouble - we have God on our side! (Luke 21: 12-19). Please read Mark 13, Luke 21 and II Thessalonians 2, VERY SLOWLY and you will see that we will ALL be here during the tribulation. Christ states that except that he had shortened the days of this tribulation, no flesh would be saved but for the ELECTS SAKE he had shortened the days. Who are the elect?

***There, the elect are the Tribulation saints. The last 1260 days of the Tribulation has to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

These are some of His christians. Then why are they still here if Christ raptured all His people away? Because NO ONE HAS LEFT! (Luke 21:36 means to flee or run away from this one that deceives. Not to fly away!)

***You will find out. The great escape is just that, escape from the Tribulation.

The belief that Christ comes to rapture you away is EXACTLY what satan wants you to believe because he is coming first to claim to be Christ and to take you away. But those of us who know this "first to come" is the false Christ will be working to the end as stated in Mark 13:13. Remember, in I Corinthians 15:52, it says when Christ returns we will all be changed to our spiritual bodies in a twinkling of an eye. So, if someone claims to be Christ and you are still in the flesh then this one is a LIAR! Please read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and II Thessalonians 2 VERY SLOWLY and don't be ignorant or let some ignorant person or church system fool you. The rapture belief is a MARK OF THE BEAST.

***The Seventh Day Adventists say the Mark of the Beast is worshipping on Sunday too. I don't think either of you are right. Haven't you heard of the rice-sized implant that goes either under the hairline on the forehead or on the back of the right hand? Soon no one will be able to buy or sell without being scanned.

We as christians will have work to do, don't be fooled by satan! No pastor or church system (thank God for churches that teach the truth) will be able to save you. Read the Bible for yourself and make up your own mind and always check things out in Gods word! (I John 4:1)

***Please take your own advise.

No one is going anywhere except into satans bed, thanks to all the rapture teaching pastors! (Revelation 17: 3-6)

So, can Christ return at any moment? NOPE. Not until satan comes claiming to be Christ and fools ALL the world except for a few, the elect. Will you be one of the elect?

***Here, I agree that Christ won't return at just any moment. He made the plan before the world began. I have higher aspirations than to be one of the elect of the Tribulation. I want to be included in the Bride of Christ group. They are the FIRST of the firstfruits to be gathered to the Lord. They are gathered before the Tribulation. They are already in Heaven when the Tribulation saints are gathered. Mk. 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of heaven (the church saints)."

***Before it is too late, "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass (i.e., all the Tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man" (Lu. 21:36). Only the wise virgins will go with the Bridegroom the first time.

***Lu. 12:46 tells what happens to the foolish servant. It says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off with the "sharp twoedged sword" of Rev. 1:16), and will appoint him HIS PORTION (2300 days of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:14) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In Christ's name to His return
---
Agape

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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: Volcano
The Lord has revealed to me the significance of this event. Can you see the symbolic parallel to Daniel 7:24? Their are ten islands which make up the Solomon Islands. This new one being formed will be the eleventh. According to Daniel & Revelation 13 - "and I saw a beast rising up out of the sea. " This seems to be symbolic of what is about to happen. All I can say is......GOD IS AWESOME! God Bless you!

My reply

Thanks. I hadn't thought about that. It does make one want to turn to Daniel and read the prophecies again. The Beast out of the sea/nations (Rev. 17:15) is the one in Dan. 7:23 that "shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." I think this will be the Tribulation Pope heading up the OWG under the UN.

I got this FWD: "...2 September...the United Nations Millennium Assembly plans to celebrate...the arrival of the new One World Government (OWG) under the U.N...."

The Beast out of the sea/nations will be over the 10 kings that are over the 10 regions this world has been divided into. He will rule the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation. We are seeing the Earth being tread down and broken in pieces. Individual nations will lose their sovereignty.

Dan. 7:24-26 says, " And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them (beast out of the land/Israel, Rev. 13:11); and he shall be diverse (not only a different man, but a Satan-possessed one) from the first (the Beast out of the sea/nations), and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation). But the judgment shall sit (Judgment of the Nations, as soon as the 3.5 years end), and they shall take away his dominion (both his and Satan's), to consume and to destroy it unto the end" (of Armageddon). Agape

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